India-Qatar Fallout: News & Discussion

[Vinod Ji]

BREAKING NEWS .....

Qatar announces cancellation of death sentence of 8 people: adds that India's friendship is more important.

just received. how authentic?

[Pratyush]

Unless the GOI says that, it's not real.

[Rakesh]

BREAKING NEWS .....

Qatar announces cancellation of death sentence of 8 people: adds that India's friendship is more important.

just received. how authentic?

A number of Twitter handles are reporting this. But will have to wait for confirmation from an official source.

On the heels of the awesome tunnel rescue, this will be another feather in the cap for the Modi Govt.

Valuable political capital for the 2024 elections.

[vimal]

^^ Nah, public memory is short and GEs are a long way off. Maybe if it was Feb/Mar 24.

But it would be a serious lesson for India to keep a check on ex public servants who take foreign employment. Whether on purpose or by mistake these Navy men must be punished for what they’ve done, if proven guilty.

Iran attacked foreign embassies in Indian soil. Israel using Indians for spying. Seems like everyone knows we are thoroughly compromised.

[Vinod Ji]

Rakesh, would you like me to delete the "breaking news" post or let it be?

BTW I am still waiting for Mithai, from "What is it 15 years" back?

[chetak]

BREAKING NEWS .....

Qatar announces cancellation of death sentence of 8 people: adds that India's friendship is more important.

just received. how authentic?

A number of Twitter handles are reporting this. But will have to wait for confirmation from an official source.

On the heels of the awesome tunnel rescue, this will be another feather in the cap for the Modi Govt.

Valuable political capital for the 2024 elections.

Rakesh ji,

if pappu wins or even does well in TS, then the jihadis will line up behind him and vote en masse for the congis so that the congis will be able to better their position, vote share and seat wise, with entities like qatar, eyeraan, turki, EU, britshits and the US pushing for either a regime change or a much weakened Modi depending on how they read the tea leaves.

It may be wise on our part to stymie the britshit and all other trade deals until after the 2024 election results because that may quieten some of the gora toolkits

All it needs is a few freebies to buy off the majority, as seen in dilli and some other places because the dravidiyas, abrahamics in AP, and the commies have been playing this insidious game for many decades now

political capital usually fails before the slickly marketed might of the freebies.

[NRao]

Officers (claims Sanjay Dixit) are living in groups (they were in solitary confinement) and have access to high-class facilities for exercise, sports, etc, and have cells to contact families in India.

[NRao]

PM Modi meets Qatar's ruler, discusses well-being of Indian community

All-out effort to ensure return of veterans on death row in Qatar: Navy chief

Qatar will not hang Indians?

[vimal]

^^ The emotional response to Indians stuck in all parts of the globe sucks up all the time and attention of our already stretched thin MEA. It truly is the reflection of our decades of labor export model coming back to bite us. Every corner of the world has Indians stuck in lakhs or millions who do not heed warnings and eventually need rescue missions. This is an area of extreme vulnerability for India especially against tyrannical regimes.

[NRao]

^^^^^

We - the globe - are going through a change of guards - a new world order. It is bound to produce immense hardships for the Indian diaspora. It is unavoidable. Fully expect it to get 10x worse.

Having said that the Qatari situation is trending, rapidly, in the right direction. I would expect these sailors to be back home by the end of this year.

[Roop]

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Very unwise / unfortunate choice of language by TJD (The Jaipur Dialogues).

We are all happy about the latest developments, but this kind of arrogant, triumphalist language thundering out on the internet for the whole world to see is really foolish.

"Qatar crumbles under Modi threat" ??!!

" मोदी के UAE दौरे के बाद क़तर भारत के पैर पड़ा "

What the hell, does no one think about the adverse consequences to India's future diplomatic negotiations if a successful outcome results in insults like this?

[Vayutuvan]

Roop ji, why are you gibing so much bhaav to Jaipur dialogues? I watch him for some LOLs and entertainment. Onlee.

[NRao]

[Aditya_V]

Why can't they atleast keep quiet until the men return? Sabotage attempt?

[drnayar]

^^ The emotional response to Indians stuck in all parts of the globe sucks up all the time and attention of our already stretched thin MEA. It truly is the reflection of our decades of labor export model coming back to bite us. Every corner of the world has Indians stuck in lakhs or millions who do not heed warnings and eventually need rescue missions. This is an area of extreme vulnerability for India especially against tyrannical regimes.

You have a point in that India's foreign service needs to grow by more than one order !.. [ also India's power projection capabilities] .. the art of speaking softly but carrying a huge stick is what geopolitics is all about.

[Rakesh]

Why can't they atleast keep quiet until the men return? Sabotage attempt?

This was reported once before. Turned out to fake news.

I hope this news is true, but will wait for official GOI confirmation. Not some YouTube video.

[vimal]

^^ The emotional response to Indians stuck in all parts of the globe sucks up all the time and attention of our already stretched thin MEA. It truly is the reflection of our decades of labor export model coming back to bite us. Every corner of the world has Indians stuck in lakhs or millions who do not heed warnings and eventually need rescue missions. This is an area of extreme vulnerability for India especially against tyrannical regimes.

You have a point in that India's foreign service needs to grow by more than one order !.. [ also India's power projection capabilities] .. the art of speaking softly but carrying a huge stick is what geopolitics is all about.

I read on this forum that India spends less than Singapore on its MEA. Singapore is a city state.

[chetak]

Qatar court commutes death sentence of former Indian Navy personnel imprisoned in Qatar, reduces sentence to jail terms




https://aninews.in/news/world/asia/qata ... 228154619/


Qatar court commutes death sentence of former Indian Navy personnel imprisoned in Qatar, reduces sentence to jail terms


https://indianexpress.com/article/expla ... n-9086293/

[Manish_P]

^ They want to keep holding on to them to keep the extortion on.

[Lisa]

^ They want to keep holding on to them to keep the extortion on.

You mean like hostages. Have I heard this before?

[bala]

Sumit Peer • India's Big Diplomatic Win in Qatar • What Worked & Why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8YQxIuy0wI

[chetak]

It is possible that qatar, for some reason, is deeply upset with India and their head boy is vengeful. One thinks, perhaps, that they wanted to buy/muscle in on some strategic Indian asset for "investment" purposes. The saudis had a similar intent but they were fended off as Modi preferred russia to the saudis. The saudis however see the mid to long term potential of India and are not willing to piss off the ginormous BJP/Modi for a mere tactical benefit. They are playing the long game and going forward, they see more quality investment opportunities in India.

qatar is isolated and virtually friendless. They have terrorist antecedents and the perverted penchant to stoke regional fires. They also need opportunities for the deployment of their sovereign funds and expect obsequiously significant leverage in return....The more money they accumulate, the greater is the possibility of some madman undertaking a regime change initiative in their very backyard. Very few erstwhile rulers survive the energetic festivities of a classic desert rooted abrahamic regime change party, be it in the arabian deserts or even the vast grassy plains of africa

[Manish_P]

^ They want to keep holding on to them to keep the extortion on.

You mean like hostages. Have I heard this before?

'Hostages' is a term used when 'non-state' actors are the holders.

[Lisa]

[Rakesh]

India bets on Qatar again with 20-year LNG deal
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/20 ... z8QzoiiEpt
06 Feb 2024

https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1754913087772086479?s=20 ---> India finalised a US $78 billion agreement aimed at extending LNG imports from Qatar for an additional 20 years until 2048, securing rates below current prices.

[Haresh]

qatar are no one's friends, India and the world need to be very wary in dealing with them.

Hamas Patron Qatar Has Spent $6 Billion Lobbying the U.S. Government and Funding Universities

https://freebeacon.com/national-securit ... versities/

[rajkumar]

qatar are no one's friends, India and the world need to be very wary in dealing with them.

Hamas Patron Qatar Has Spent $6 Billion Lobbying the U.S. Government and Funding Universities

https://freebeacon.com/national-securit ... versities/

Just assume that no one is any ones 'friend'. Its always about self interest

[JTull]

All 8 pardoned. 7 have already reached India

https://aninews.in/news/world/asia/in-m ... 212030138/

In major diplomatic triumph, Qatar frees Navy veterans jailed on espionage charges

[Rakesh]

Thank You JTull for posting this news. Greatly appreciated.

Let this serve as a humbling moment of pause to the poster who wanted the Govt of India to teach the Al Thani family a lesson. Attacking Qatar via sinking a few of their LNG shipments would have only escalated the issue. Shoot first, ask questions later is never a wise strategy. Please stick with your theories of why CATOBAR is superior over STOBAR and how F-16 is better than Rafale. At least that was some comedy we could all enjoy.

Kudos to the Govt of India who followed the wise strategy of diplomatic negotiations and bringing home the veterans. Another feather in the cap for the Modi Govt and that too just prior to the 2024 elections. #ModiHaiToMumkinHai

[Rakesh]

After the recent accusation of posting fake news on BRF brings down the quality of discussion, here is an official statement from India's Ministry of External Affairs. Screenshot of the MEA Statement (courtesy of Barkha Dutt ) is also reproduced below for everyone's kind perusal...

Release of eight Indian Nationals detained in Qatar
https://www.mea.gov.in/press-releases.h ... d_in_Qatar
12 February 2024

https://x.com/BDUTT/status/1756787904750539074?s=20 --->

[Rakesh]

From Captain DK Sharma (retd), former PRO Indian Navy.

https://x.com/CaptDKS/status/1756833902239633740?s=20 ---> Finally our own are back home. Truth prevails. Victory for the innocent colleagues who were detained illegally for the last 18 months with an unstinted support by their families, friends and the Govt of India headed by @narendramodi. All is well that ends well. Huge relief.

[Manish_P]

Great to hear.

This dispensation got back Abhi. They got back the 8.

Can't help but seethe at the pak-pasand congoons for their inability to get back the POWs of 65/71.

[Deans]

Great to hear.

This dispensation got back Abhi. They got back the 8.

Can't help but seethe at the pak-pasand congoons for their inability to get back the POWs of 65/71.

Yes, to be specific - most of the POWs were from Punjab and Capt. Amarinder Singh, an ex army officer was CM of the state with a friendly govt
at the Centre. He probably did not even raise the matter because it was not important for the Gandhis. We saw what happened when he tried to be independent of them.

[bala]

Release of eight Indian Nationals detained in Qatar: The released personnel include Commander Purnendu Tiwari, Captain Navtej Singh Gill, Captain Virendra Kumar Verma, Captain Saurabh Basisht, Commander Amit Nagpal, Commander Sugandhar Pakala, Commander Sanjeev Gupta and Sailor Rajesh. The veterans thanked Prime Minister Narendra Modi for the government's intervention in the matter.

[NRao]

Why can't they atleast keep quiet until the men return? Sabotage attempt?

There was never any uncertainty. The return of these Bharatiyas was 100%.

150%.

[Manish_P]

Great to hear.

This dispensation got back Abhi. They got back the 8.

Can't help but seethe at the pak-pasand congoons for their inability to get back the POWs of 65/71.

Yes, to be specific - most of the POWs were from Punjab and Capt. Amarinder Singh, an ex army officer was CM of the state with a friendly govt
at the Centre. He probably did not even raise the matter because it was not important for the Gandhis. We saw what happened when he tried to be independent of them.

Yes.

Am now expecting & waiting for Diggy, Mani or some bootlicker to blabber off that 'the timing of their release was done intentionally close to the elections"

That will give the likes of Anand Ranganathan or Shezad Poonawaala an opportunity to talk about the non-returned indian POWs. Make the current generation (and remind the earlier gen) aware of it.

[bala]

Take a look at the YT of returned Navy personnel freed from Qatar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_ayFSDt2Rs

the seven former Navy officers raised chants of 'Bharat Mata ki Jai' after arriving at the Delhi airport in the early hours of Feb 12. One of the Navy veterans who returned from Qatar said, "We waited almost for 18 months to be back in India. We are extremely grateful to the PM. It wouldn't have been possible without his intervention and his equation with Qatar. We are grateful to the Government of India from the bottom of our hearts for every effort that has been made and this day won't have been possible without those efforts."

The eight Indian nationals were imprisoned in Qatar since October 2022 and were accused of allegedly spying on a submarine programme. The retired naval personnel were sentenced to death by a Qatar court on charges that have not yet been made public officially.

[eklavya]

Great news. All thanks to the Government of India and the Prime Minister of India.

[JTull]

Thank You JTull for posting this news. Greatly appreciated.
...

I waited 10mins after the news broke but only the IAF thread was active on BRF. Glad to be able to share such wonderful news.

I'd like to add to what you said about attacking LNG shipments from Qatar. India will be a responsible power and there is nothing to be gained from behaving like a pirate. Similarly, if anyone has any doubt, Canada will also find out the consequences of openly calling out India. Under this dispensation, there will always be a response, but at a time and place of our choosing. Many times it is not about the optics but about preventing harm to our own long term interests.

[Rakesh]

I'd like to add to what you said about attacking LNG shipments from Qatar. India will be a responsible power and there is nothing to be gained from behaving like a pirate. Similarly, if anyone has any doubt, Canada will also find out the consequences of openly calling out India. Under this dispensation, there will always be a response, but at a time and place of our choosing. Many times it is not about the optics but about preventing harm to our own long term interests.

Bingo! Well said. The fact that this has to be explicitly stated on BRF is surprising. Attack Qatar's LNG shipments - the sheer stupidity of the idea, especially when India just signed this...

India bets on Qatar again with 20-year LNG deal
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/20 ... z8QzoiiEpt
06 Feb 2024