India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[Cyrano]

Well done

[hgupta]

Amber G, great news!

[Amber G.]

Meanwhile:
US House passes resolution to remove Ilhan Omar from Foreign Affairs Committee. .. some want .. Ilhan Omar deported to Somalia

She once visited PoK & her visit was sponsored by the Pakistan Govt.

She even tried to pass a resolution condemning India (got virtually zero support) in US House & boycotted PM Modi's address to the US Congress.

[chetak]

[Manish_P]

Chetak ji,

Notice how they have cleverly used the word 'common law' (which has some negative connotations) instead of 'law of equality'

From google - The simplest definition for common law is that it's a “body of law” based on court decisions rather than codes or statutes.

[chetak]

Chetak ji,

Notice how they have cleverly used the word 'common law' (which has some negative connotations) instead of 'law of equality'

From google - The simplest definition for common law is that it's a “body of law” based on court decisions rather than codes or statutes.

Manish ji,

one thinks that common law as defined by google is not known in India.

one is happy to be corrected if one has made a mistake

[Manish_P]

..
one thinks that common law as defined by google is not known in India.

one is happy to be corrected if one has made a mistake

It is not.... but then their message is not meant for Indians

[vera_k]

Well, all said and done the government has to get involved if communities do not reform their practices themselves. Granting rights for other communities is also now queued up behind standardizing the law.

Until then I would be surprised if there's not an increase in marriage tourism where Indians travel to other countries to get married in more hospitable forums. Like that gay couple who married in the USA and approached courts in India to register the marriage but were turned away.

[chetak]

..
one thinks that common law as defined by google is not known in India.

one is happy to be corrected if one has made a mistake

It is not.... but then their message is not meant for Indians

thanks Manish ji,

the tube light has just come on

[krithivas]

A response would be "Why does IAMC condemn a law that treats everyone including the #LGBTIA community equally?"

[chetak]

Posted as requested by KL Dubey ji...

via @MinhazMerchant
As India’s most respected agri-economist, Ashok Gulati writes: “Agreeing to (MSP) demand will mean fiscal stability will go for a toss & food inflation rise.”

I was perhaps more interested in the article to the left (not fully readable in the photo), written by someone with the same name as the UN chief. I wasn't able to find it online.

If someone has it, please post on the "India-US relations" thread.

Here you go, Dubey ji.....


The article appeared in the TOI 14 Feb 2023

Desimericans: Too few Indians get US citizenship. Why & how this must change

February 14, 2024, 8:39 AM IST TOI Edit in TOI Editorials, Edit Page, India, TOI


Times of India’s Edit Page team comprises senior journalists with wide-ranging interests who debate and opine on the news and issues of the day.

To most this bit of news seemed ho-hum – 59k Indians got US citizenship last year, per USCIS. Mexicans beat Indians. Filipinos were a close third. Lots of Indians live and work in US. Waves of Mexicans get there. Philippines used to be an American colony. So, no big surprises in US citizenship figures, right? Wrong. The surprise for India is – or should be – that so few Indians became Americans in 2023. Mexico (population: 129 million) comfortably left India (pop: 1.4 billion) behind. And Philippines (pop: 112 million) came close. Indians should by far be the largest group getting American citizenship every year. Here’s why and how.

European, non-European | America, as we know it, came about thanks to ruthless land-grab and a fair amount of ethnic cleansing by European colonialists. Those nasty bits done, slave trade added to the list, European settlers went on to found what became the world’s most powerful country ever. But non-European immigrants were almost always needed in a vast country with a dynamic economy. And from 1960s, when the de facto, whites-preferred immigration policy was changed, non-whites arrived in millions. In 1960, 75% of foreign-born Americans were Europeans. In 2018, that figure was just 11%. Indians were part of this dramatic change – but never in numbers that did justice.


Density is destiny | Thanks in part to immigrants, America isn’t as badly placed in terms of falling birth rates and aging population as some other rich countries. But population density per sq km in US, world’s third most populous country, is still just 37, far lower than UK’s 280, and a small fraction of India’s 485. America is full of empty spaces, states like Wyoming, Montana, two Dakotas. India is full of industrious people. Even those who don’t have good college degrees can turn small opportunities into thriving enterprises. Think of Indians manning Italy’s famous cheesemakers. Imagine hundreds of thousands of Indians in, say, Montana – it will become a powerhouse economy. America’s capitalrich, resource-rich, technology-rich economy needs lots of people if the country is to retain its global pole position. India should be the main source. India will benefit, of course. Not just more remittances, and higher knowledge and skills diffusion. Indians will become a numerically powerful bloc in US, a voice and votes that can’t be ignored by American politicians.

Minister for immigration | To become America’s biggest source country for all kinds of talent India should put someone in charge of this. GOI should have a minister for immigration. His job will be to make sure many more Indians can legally immigrate to US. He should liaise with US govt and US states, armed with data on skills India can supply and work America needs doing, now and in near future. Economic logic is the best antidote to prejudice and bureaucracy. Govts of Haryana, UP recently launched efforts to send people to Israel, which needs workers. GOI should aim for a national, more sophisticated version of this. When millions more Indians become Americans, it’s good news for India and America.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blo ... st-change/

[Cybaru]

Meanwhile:
US House passes resolution to remove Ilhan Omar from Foreign Affairs Committee. .. some want .. Ilhan Omar deported to Somalia

She once visited PoK & her visit was sponsored by the Pakistan Govt.

She even tried to pass a resolution condemning India (got virtually zero support) in US House & boycotted PM Modi's address to the US Congress.

Yep.. No one cares for her. No one is alienating Indian demographics on either Democrat of Republican side for her. She can play her lonely game till she is gone..

[Sumeet]

This is most likely happening due to her anti Semitic/Israel stance. It has very little if anything to do with India.

[KL Dubey]

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[KL Dubey]

Here you go, Dubey ji.....

Gaw'bless you, sah.

[V_Raman]

REgarding too few Indians getting US citizenship - the H1B train is winding down. Companies are pausing on PERM processing and not giving full time offers to candidates needing H1B after internships. We are in a tech job recession over the next decade and workforce will continue to shrink till this AI craze shakes itself out and new job landscape emerges.

Next frontier for immigration will be primary care physicians PCPs - US has a severe shortage.-There is a new rule where residency is not a must in USA as long as the DR has equivalent experience in foreign country and can then work under the sponsorship of a USA physician for 1-2 years (I dont know the exact duration). This is slowly being approved by the states and will be widespread in a decade. We are likely to see an influx of experienced Indian MD PCPs coming to USA over the next 2 decades.

[vera_k]

Worth noting that most new citizens enter via family connections or by entering with or without a visa and overstaying.

If there are to be more US citizens from India, it will need to follow this pipeline. Some criminal activity in trafficking people will also have to be tolerated, perhaps encouraged. Would be a good outlet for Khalistani energies even. Trafficking people better than trafficking drugs!

[vimal]

REgarding too few Indians getting US citizenship - the H1B train is winding down. Companies are pausing on PERM processing and not giving full time offers to candidates needing H1B after internships. We are in a tech job recession over the next decade and workforce will continue to shrink till this AI craze shakes itself out and new job landscape emerges.

Next frontier for immigration will be primary care physicians PCPs - US has a severe shortage.-There is a new rule where residency is not a must in USA as long as the DR has equivalent experience in foreign country and can then work under the sponsorship of a USA physician for 1-2 years (I dont know the exact duration). This is slowly being approved by the states and will be widespread in a decade. We are likely to see an influx of experienced Indian MD PCPs coming to USA over the next 2 decades.

Isn’t H1B for “all” high skilled people not just IT. Unless US is ready to massively overhaul its skilled immigration program and give faster citizenship to skilled immigrants nothing much will change for any type of skilled employment based immigrant.

Also, for all the noise and hate that H1B generates, it is but a fraction of what other visa types like TN and family based are granted each year. But since in those leading countries are non-Indian it is not a source of heartburn for racist Americans. It’s easier to enter US illegally and get a green card than coming via legal routes.

[vera_k]

Posting here since relevant to last few posts. This is a school of thought that has resulted in sending more people to the USA.

Reconquista (Mexico)

[sanjaykumar]

Interesting, apparently the thinly populated Great Plains/Mid-Western states are also the object of reconquest by the indigenous American, through fecundity. Or so they say, I have no idea of birth rates or internal population movements.

[SSridhar]

Indian Defence Secretary on India-US Relationship - ToI
Excerpts

Aramane, speaking at the second INDUS-X defence summit with US Indo-Pacific Command chief Admiral John C Aquilino here, also thanked Washington for helping "very quickly" with "intelligence and situational awareness which US equipment and the US government could help us with" after the military confrontation with China erupted in eastern Ladakh in May 2020.

"It was of great use to us," he said.

"India is giving a face-off to our neighbour (China) in almost all the fronts we have with them. Wherever there is a mountain pass, we are stationed there to face any eventuality. Wherever there is a road, we have to be ready there also. So, we are standing against a bully in a very determined fashion," he said.

"And we expect our friend US will be there with us in case we need their support. It is a must for us and we have to do it together. We greatly appreciate the support and the resolve from our friends in supporting us during such an event. The strong resolve that we will support each other in the face of a common threat is going to be of critical importance to us," he added.

"Today, we are witnessing a pivotal moment in the history of the Indo-Pacific region. The Indo-Pacific, with its vast expanse of oceans and strategic waterways, stands as the crossroads of global commerce, geopolitics and security," he said.

"In navigating the complex dynamics of this region, India and the US find themselves as key stakeholders, bound by shared values and common interests," he added.

Underlining the bilateral strategic convergence, Aramane said India was increasingly turning to the US for cutting-edge defence equipment and technology. "The US, in turn, sees India as a key partner in its Indo-Pacific strategy, leveraging India's growing defence capabilities," he said.

[disha]

In US, "Brown Life Does Not Matter (BLDNM)". For all the desi supporters who were jumping up and down for the marxist BLM movement, please try to get justice for Jahnavi Kandula.

https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/us-c ... f-evidence

Officer Daniel Auderer, who is also vice-president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild (SPOG), was assigned to determine whether Officer Dave was under the influence.

A video recorded from Auderer's body-cam released by the Seattle Police Department showed him joking about Kandula's death.

Auderer laughed about the deadly crash and dismissed any implication Dave might be at fault or that a criminal investigation was necessary.

He downplayed the gravity of the incident by saying that the city should "write a check" to pay damages to the family of Kandula who "had limited value".

[sanman]

India-US to Engage in Homeland Security Talks on February 28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Deyvj4CP-Sg

[vera_k]

Ever more undocumented Indian migrants follow ‘donkey’ route to America

Indians have come to make up the third-largest group of undocumented immigrants in the United States, according to the Pew Research Center’s 2021 estimates, which put the number of such Indians at 725,000.

Of course, adjusted for population and using the same proportion as for Mexico, this number should have been around 40 million.

[drnayar]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/01/the-us- ... -days.html

The U.S. national debt is rising by $1 trillion about every 100 days

[vimal]

Ever more undocumented Indian migrants follow ‘donkey’ route to America

Indians have come to make up the third-largest group of undocumented immigrants in the United States, according to the Pew Research Center’s 2021 estimates, which put the number of such Indians at 725,000.

Of course, adjusted for population and using the same proportion as for Mexico, this number should have been around 40 million.

Its a common theme amongst immigrants that its easier for undocumented people to gain residence and citizenships compared to the documented ones. The immigration system is completely broken.

[sanjaykumar]

Any idea of the breakdown state wise of these enterprising people?

Perhaps these are people who believe rules do not actually apply to their exalted personages.

[vera_k]

The article mentions Gujarat, Haryana and Punjab. But looks like people with some assets they can liquidate, but not enough education. If they had education, they could join one of the diploma mill universities in the USA and overstay their visa for a safer journey and lower cost. Or maybe there's a business opportunity here to recruit some of these as students.

[hanumadu]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/01/the-us- ... -days.html

The U.S. national debt is rising by $1 trillion about every 100 days

And they act surprised the US growth exceeds expectation. They don't even call it QE anymore or mention the money printing.
I think this will continue till the elections at least.

[NRao]

For what it is worth. I think this is because of Modi.

Victoria Nuland, third-highest ranking US diplomat and critic of Russia’s war in Ukraine, retiring

[Manish_P]

She is 62. Pretty close to the retirement age anyway, i guess.

[Cyrano]

Time to go out and benefit from all the unaccounted billions for a while, until some crazed neonazi Ukrainian snake she has force fed comes back to bite her in the Musharraf to end her story.

[uddu]

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[AkshaySG]

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[KL Dubey]

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[NRao]

She is 62. Pretty close to the retirement age anyway, i guess.

She was "pushed out".

She was at the core, and arguably the only one, to damage the Indo-US relationship (only because India did not support the war in Ukraine). Then she lost very badly in BD and that seems to be the trend in Myanmar, too.

However, the question is where will she land (her family is rather formidable) and how much effort will she invest in damaging India.

There are too many moving parts. However, 371 in Ladakh, could just be the straw that broke the camel's back. So to speak.

Fun times. We still have two years to go. Enjoy.

[sanman]

Does The CIA Have An Underlying Motive To Leverage Khalistani Groups Against India? Indo-US Ties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiT3zEqy4fU

Google summary

The video is about the Indo-US relationship and the challenges it faces. Wilson Baver, a senior defense policy analyst at Heritage, a conservative think tank based in Washington DC, is interviewed on the topic.

The key points discussed in the video are:

The US and India have a shared interest in countering China's growing influence.
The US and India disagree on how to deal with Pakistan. The US has a frosty relationship with Pakistan due to its support for the Taliban, while India sees Pakistan as a security threat.
The US media sometimes portrays India's indigenous culture in a mocking way, while being more accepting of China's culture.
The collective military might of the US and India can act as a deterrent to China.
The Quad, a group of four nations including the US, India, Japan and Australia, is a vehicle for deterrence against China. It is unlikely to become a formal military alliance like NATO.
Increased engagement and cooperation between the US and India is necessary to build trust and overcome differences.

[disha]

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[nachiket]

MOD NOTE: Discussions about the US elections and primaries are not relevant to this thread. Repub vs Democrat fights and mudslinging will especially not be tolerated. This is not the forum for that. I have deleted all the posts regarding that. Warnings will be handed out to anyone who refuses to follow this.

[sanman]

Jaishankar ji gives a powerful reply to criticism of India's stance on Ukraine war

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnuIk-kkcWM