Road to the 2024 Elections in India-1

[Pratyush]

^^^

This is an extremely unorthodox approach to solving the MSP issue.

I have a feeling that this will cause a split between the more politically minded section of the farmers and those who are interested in farmers welfare.

[asbchakri]

But looks like the Farmers body Rejected it, maybe it's a good thing they did.

So is this protests led by the gangs only from Punjab?. Do we know if any other Farmers or Farmer organizations from other states especially Haryana, UP, Bihar, Rajasthan are supporting it?.

[srin]

It was a good idea (though not the most ideal) because the Govt would have demanded PAN and maybe proof of land ownership etc to carry it through. And it'd have reduced pulses import too.

The Govt is not completely innocent. They banned exports of wheat and rice last year and distorted the market and made the farmers reliant on Govt procurement - they focused more on welfare of consumer than on producer.

[vijayk]

[vijayk]

[suryag]

Nachiket sir also it depends one where the M population is concentrated, that decides how many seats BJP can wrest, if M majority is concentrated on few seats then lower vote share of BJP will not matter as the other seats would see counter polarization among Hs, just that these Hs stop looking at Congi/Commie as alternative and vote for BJP in hte other constituencies.

[chetak]

It was a good idea (though not the most ideal) because the Govt would have demanded PAN and maybe proof of land ownership etc to carry it through. And it'd have reduced pulses import too.

The Govt is not completely innocent. They banned exports of wheat and rice last year and distorted the market and made the farmers reliant on Govt procurement - they focused more on welfare of consumer than on producer.

srin ji,

farming is a profession like any other, and it's definitely not a social service.

If someone thinks that it’s not well paying enough, then they should go and do something else

this "annadata" nonsense has gone on long enough. It has spawned crooked arthiyas or middlemen cabals, and scam tainted mandis which help generate black money and political influence ecosystems...

Our taxes subsidize their input costs and we buy our food at market defined prices and no one lightens our burden or bankrolls our bills.

If not them, then others, more smarter than them, will come to the market place with produce sourced from other places

exports were banned because of geopolitics involving ukr and russia and also, one criminal country was cornering all the rice that India was exporting and traders abroad were stockpiling our rice in a bid to create shortages and drive up the international prices..

punjab grows low quality grain that goes mostly into the PDS, and also, there is a huge racket that offloads such grain to alcohol producers at cut rate prices.

Premium quality grain comes from other states and are in great demand. There is no great price distortion because exports are banned for a time. paying customers are selective, and tend eat specific types/grades of rice/wheat/pulses that they have been eating for many years and that habit is hard to break

The govt has very recently relaxed the ban on exports of onions.

Rising food prices will easily cost the govt the elections in 2024

one cannot have a miniscule percentage of vocal "farmers" who are supported by the BIF to hold the country to ransom.

why does not the govt of punjab (or any other state) declare the MSP law, as an ordinance initially, and pass it as a law after the elections are done with.

Why this demented insistence on only the center doing it (passing the MSP law), when the states have an equal responsibility and also the power to pass such a law on their own..

Is it because some state(s) and state govt(s) are actively funding the trouble makers ("annadatas"), and encouraging the confrontation, in the hope of stampeding the centre and instigating them into some precipitate course of action that will negatively affect their electoral prospects in 2024

[nachiket]

Nachiket sir also it depends one where the M population is concentrated, that decides how many seats BJP can wrest, if M majority is concentrated on few seats then lower vote share of BJP will not matter as the other seats would see counter polarization among Hs, just that these Hs stop looking at Congi/Commie as alternative and vote for BJP in hte other constituencies.

It will require a consolidation of Hindu votes on a scale never seen before. BJP getting ~55% of Hindu votes is itself an incredible achievement. In any other state they would have formed the government easily. The cong+left together got only ~10% voteshare some of which will be leftover Muslim votes as well. So even if they come down to 0% which is not realistic, the path is still not clear for the BJP. The horror of Sandeshkhali needs to be seen by every Hindu in the state. But the TMC controls all local media and anyone saying anything against Mamata gets threatened or arrested. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Hindu TMC voters have either not even heard of what happened there or blindly accepted the accusations of it being BJP propaganda. It is extremely difficult to get the community to consolidate in such a scenario.

[sanjaykumar]

The pesticide laden wheat is a major health concern. Does the Indian consumer have any disclosure of pesticide levels and geographic provenance of the wheat they consume?


I am hesitant to use produce from panjab. It is a violation of consumer rights to not release this information.

In Canada some inkling needs be provided on country of origin. Many Canadians, myself certainly, will not consume produce from China. Food companies try to get around it by declaring only ‘foreign sources’ as the minimal requirement.

Of course that is code for China. I am concerned that the unsophisticated consumer or those with constrained food budgets are the ones who largely purchase those viictuals.

Perhaps not too far from the Chinese politburo sourcing their produce from sequestered farms with special quality control.

It is perhaps not insignificant that both Panjab and China have higher than average cancer rates.

[KLNMurthy]

Smriti Irani talks to Nupur J Sharma about Sandeshkhali and West Bengal

There has been a horror unfolding in Sandeshkhali, West Bengal. The women of Sandeshkhali have spoken out about the tyranny of Sheikh Shahjahan and his goons, who would sexually exploit, rape and torture Hindu women. Sheikh Shahjahan is a close aid of CM Mamata Banerjee and has been absconding for days, after a brutal attack against ED officials.

Smriti Irani in this podcast talks about West Bengal and how there is an ongoing genocide of Hindus in the state.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqYYFhn8xI8

00:01 Smriti Irani discusses the horrors of Sandeshkhali in West Bengal.
02:27 TMC targeting Hindu festivals and state-sponsored violence against Hindus
08:10 TMC devaluing BJP lives in Sandeshkhali
11:02 Sandeshkhali issue became a national challenge due to lack of response from the Chief Minister of Bengal.
16:35 Discussion on the implications of the absence of Shikha Jahan during the SES Khali visit.
18:57 Smriti Irani emphasizes the importance of upholding constitutional responsibilities.
23:42 Debate about sexual assaults in West Bengal
26:13 Women in Sandeshkhali facing police apathy and refusal to accept complaints
31:13 Discussion about the political issues in Sandeshkhali, West Bengal
33:32 Smriti Irani criticizes the silence and complicity in West Bengal's media and political circles.

What is preventing the Center from applying Article 356 in w. Bengal?

[KLNMurthy]

goes through the mind of Hindu

This question is central to Bharat. We have the Dravidian parties in TN who have openly declared war against Sanatan Dharma. We have the ugly statues of these Britshit agents (periyar etc) who furthered the Britshit Bishop Caldwell idealogy in front of most important South Indian temples. Any movement to take them down and there is a huge protest. But Hindus continue to vote these inimical forces. There is no clear development/improvement by electing these worthies, in fact the state is sliding backward. I hope it is a wake up call after Ram Mandir that the people of TN realize their moronic decisions and make the right choice.

Coming to KNataka we see the same stupidity in electing the Kangress, the party is a huge sympathizer to peaceful crowd. Kerala ditto, Andhra ditto, Telegana ditto, there might be some nuances but I club them similarly. Some deep thinking is required in the South to make people understand what they are getting into by electing these parties year after year. We may have a repeat of what mumtaz and bengal are up to - no great improvement, more chaos, harrasment, sexual assaults and other heinous crimes.

This self-hatred is a logical outcome of Islamic colonization.

If you compare with other colonized civilizations like Iran, they went almost overnight from normal ancient civilization to hating that civilization in favor of Islam.

In India that transformation remained mostly incomplete due to the strength and power of the Indic civilization. Nevertheless, we can’t expect to be completely unaffected by the colonization; so there is some degree of self-hatred. Hopefully we will come out of it sooner than later.

[Atmavik]

Shekar gupta from the print has put out a shame full 40 min video on sandesh khali. where he discuses about geography, rice farming ,fishing, birth rates and then slips in questions abt rape after 25 mins. no need to watch but check the comments section people r taking him to the cleaners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8zEoXA ... 0140eBjZ-V

[chetak]

karnataka budget 2024: one of the highlights

[chetak]

listen to pegwant mann on the MSP law

the video is just 1:26 minutes long


2020: Punjab Govt should bring MSP Bill.

2022: "Our government comes to power in Punjab we will give MSP on 22 crops. We have the complete road map ready."

2024: Centre should bring MSP Bill, we will send rioters to Delhi


WATCH VIDEO

[chetak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSiE1gqj7rE



Is An MSP Law Feasible Economics & Smart Politics?







Amidst ongoing tensions, farmer leaders have rejected the government's MSP proposal and vowed to press forward with the 'Delhi Chalo' march.

The unions have opposed the central government’s five-proposal for crop diversification in Punjab, under which government promoted cooperatives would enter into five-year contracts to procure five crops – tur (arhar), urad, masur (lentil), maize and cotton at a minimum support price, with no limit on quantity.

And while the negotiations seem deadlocked, interesting insights from experts suggest that the demand of the farmers, primarily from Punjab, shows the relative decline in the role of the state to feed India.

Watch this debate by Siddharth Zarabi, Managing Editor, Business Today TV who spoke with Yashwant Deshmukh, Founder-Director, C-Voter; Pushpendra Singh, President, Kisan Shakti Sangh and Sanjeeb Mukherjee, Agriculture Editor, Business Standard

[Sachin]

1. Chandigarh mayoral poll: SC declares AAP's Kuldeep Kumar as winner, junks earlier result
This news certainly does not look good for BJP optics. It is just becomes an evidence for secular to claim BJP does booth rigging. Another similar incident was on the election of Ahamed Patel's election to Rajya Sabha.

2. Farmer leader Sarwan Singh Pandher challenges PM Modi for farm loan waiver
Challenge or pathetic attempt to nag some one to give into the demands? I don't know.

[KL Dubey]

Same old story. Some little hard-fought victory in a small mayoral election is seen as a cause for great joy and harbinger of a revolution in the dotdot camp. This is even less than the two bye-election victories in UP that created a great false hope of defeating Modi in 2019.

In any case, several of the AAP councilors have defected to BJP in the meanwhile, so the "mayor from AAP" may not have a majority and would be short-lived.

The full threads of the 2019 and 2014 election runups are available on BR. Lessons should be learned from those, i.e. discuss signal, not noise.

[SRajesh]

Saar the Paapi will consider this Pyrrhic Victory as an endorsement of 2029!!
Tijorilal has already announced that he is looking at 2029 to dislodge BJP
Maybe he reckons NaMo won’t be around for that one

[Sachin]

Same old story. Some little hard-fought victory in a small mayoral election is seen as a cause for great joy and harbinger of a revolution in the dotdot camp.

The Chandigarh Mayor issue unfortunately can be used to say the election commission or officials conducting such elections can indulge in malpractise under orders of BJP. That can be played up, at least to a certain extent. There is already a secular whine on EVMs, and this also gets added.

In any case, several of the AAP councilors have defected to BJP in the meanwhile, so the "mayor from AAP" may not have a majority and would be short-lived.

It is three (IIRC), but don't know if that would again topple the mayor via no-confidence motion.

[KL Dubey]

It is three (IIRC), but don't know if that would again topple the mayor via no-confidence motion.

If you read any decent news article on this issue, things will be clear.

Election: BJP 16, SAD 1, 1 BJP MP (ex officio member), AAP 12, 8 votes declared invalid by Anil Masih.

After SC action:
BJP 14 + 3 AAP defectors + 1 SAD supporter + 1 BJP MP = 19 (majority). And it would have been 21 if Sonkar and Masih had not resigned.
AAP 12 - 3 + 1 "invalid ballot" added = 10
INC = 7 (out of 8 invalid ballots, 7 were theirs)

Even if the election is held again, BJP will win.

[vijayk]

[sanjaykumar]

That’s a mean didi.

[vijayk]

Why are they are not reducing price of Petrol and Natural Gas!! That would further bring down inflation

[Sachin]

Seize earthmoving equipment from protest sites: Haryana DGP tells Punjab Police ahead of farmers' march to Delhi. With AAP-tards running the show in PJ, I don't know how much positive action would be done by Punjab Police. Any ways this is what PJ DGP has instructed - "In his communication to Punjab Police officers, DGP Yadav said keeping in view the implications on the law and order situation, it is directed that all range ADGPs, IGPs, DIGs, police commissioners and SSPs take immediate steps to stop the movement of "JCBs, proclaines (diggers), tippers (heavy trucks), hydras and other heavy earthmoving equipment towards the Haryana-Punjab border at Khanauri and Shambhu by laying 'nakas', conducting patrolling and (taking) other required steps.".

[SRajesh]

55 yr old youth icon leaving the walkathon for a break!!! 26th Feb to 1st March
All about giving lecture in Cambridge University or he is??
What is is the next move as Farmers 2.0 is dead as a Dodo!

[uddu]

[Sachin]

What is is the next move as Farmers 2.0 is dead as a Dodo!

GoI has called for 5th round of talks. My only hope is that GoI should not pull out defeat from the jaws of victory, by overdoing things. At some point, there has to be a clear message that the farmer brokers will have to get back and their chances to be heard is exhausted.

All about giving lecture in Cambridge University or he is??

A bit surprised that his foreign trips are not under surveillance. At least some of the events/plans can be gleaned out even without a very strong surveillance.

[Sachin]

Too many fires being lit???
Manoj Jarange-Patil to launch fresh agitation. Who is this new character on the ground?
Farmers Protest Live: Will assess future course of action in tomorrow's SKM meeting, says Rakesh Tikait. Dakait also stepping in?

[chetak]

[chetak]

On 'Bharat Jodo Nyay Yatra', Congress leader Jairam Ramesh says,

"...On February 27-28, Rahul Gandhi will go to Cambridge University (in United Kingdom), he will deliver two lectures there...

We will resume the yatra from March 2 and on March 5, Rahul Gandhi will visit Mahakaleshwar temple...''

[chetak]

It's easy to take the piss out of the paki, but you can never take the paki out of the piss.

[Sachin]

Samajwadi Party-Congress finally stitch alliance in UP; Cong gets 17 seats
Will ban politicians' entry in villages, if farmers stopped from reaching Delhi: Rakesh Tikait. Dakait is back in action comrades.

[vijayk]

PAPPU suspending the yatra and going to UK for a lecture in Cambridge. Basically he will brief the Soros gang and come back with plan

[chetak]

^^^

This is an extremely unorthodox approach to solving the MSP issue.

I have a feeling that this will cause a split between the more politically minded section of the farmers and those who are interested in farmers welfare.

Pratyush ji,


the "farmers" need a sustained and uninterrupted flow of pulses from kaneda. The khalistanis in kaneda make the money in this deal and that sweet deal has slowly been reducing over the years.


extremely heavy application of pesticides in punjab has killed the "farmers" access to lucrative export markets, They have tried very hard to push their basmati rice to dubai and other mid east markets but consignments from punjab have been rejected and returned due to heavy pesticide contamination.

the offer of a guaranteed 5 year MSP and complete offtake of all pulses grown, among other crops, was a poisoned chalice. The khalistanis in kaneda were the real target of the govt. There is no bigger or even any other market for pulses anywhere in the world save for India. Some little quantities may be sold wherever Indian populations are in some small but significant numbers but no where are there any markets that come even close to the size and opportunity that the Indian market offers for pulses

the past sins of punjab are fast catching up with today's generation. Depleting water tables, degraded soil that cannot anymore support high yields per acre due to sustained and deliberate ecological terrorism that was encouraged by congi and akali govts, the need for huge amount of unsafe fertilizers merely to eke out a frustrated living, complicated by drug addiction, alcoholism, depression, and the sense of hopelessness that pervades the younger populace, along with reducing yields, increasing input costs, non availability of out side labor due to better opportunities in UP and some other northern states.

All this tells a very grim story and their own realization of their impending predicament is driving them to irrationality. The people on the opposite end of the table cannot but be aware of all this and yet these "farmers" have taken a very confrontationist and aggressive view, hoping to browbeat the govt into submission.

They may have picked the wrong govt, and one which can well afford to wait it out

[chetak]

Samajwadi Party-Congress finally stitch alliance in UP; Cong gets 17 seats
Will ban politicians' entry in villages, if farmers stopped from reaching Delhi: Rakesh Tikait. Dakait is back in action comrades.

Sachin ji,

akilesh vakilesh's बटवा is bone dry....

there is only one way that this could have happened.

may parties in UP bihar sell their seats to the highest bidder, as part of their normal order of business

Money has changed hands bigtime

[chetak]

Too many fires being lit???
Manoj Jarange-Patil to launch fresh agitation. Who is this new character on the ground?
Farmers Protest Live: Will assess future course of action in tomorrow's SKM meeting, says Rakesh Tikait. Dakait also stepping in?

Sachin ji,


dakait has to take his tractors on the roads of UP and Yogi is waiting for him


using JCBs, modified/armoured tractors, earth moving poclain machines etc will result in the application of UAPA, and NIA will enter the picture automatically.....


This comes under section 6, which concerns waging war against the state

[sanjaykumar]

^^ is there a reference for grain/pulses from panjab specifically being rejected on safety grounds?

If this is the case, where does that produce go?

Do panjab farmers eat their own produce

[KL Dubey]

akilesh vakilesh's बटवा is bone dry....

there is only one way that this could have happened.

may parties in UP bihar sell their seats to the highest bidder, as part of their normal order of business

Money has changed hands bigtime

This alliance/deal is to enable dotdot to actually contest the LS election and register a presence, not for winning. Registering the presence now is required so that Akalless can wage his (potentially last) all out campaign for VS 2027. Stupid fellows Akalless and Pappu....donon parivarvaad ke nalayak paidaish pille.

With the current NDA alliance and looking at vote share results from LS 2019, it would be getting > 55% of the vote in LS 2024. That means game over for anyone else. On the other hand the 2019 MGB is now the threadbare dotdot, with only SP and INC...without BSP and RLD, and losing their own netas every day, they'll be lucky to hang on to the 25% vote share the two had together in 2019.

[KL Dubey]

Dotdot, BIFs, andolanjeevis, et al are busy playing cat and mouse games with likely zero impact on the electorate....these may even create more votes for Modi instead.

Meanwhile, important stuff. Modi has launched the massive LS campaign with a rousing address and instructions at the BJP national convention. Full speech here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp9MFuEFzRI

[chetak]

akilesh vakilesh's बटवा is bone dry....

there is only one way that this could have happened.

may parties in UP bihar sell their seats to the highest bidder, as part of their normal order of business

Money has changed hands bigtime

This alliance/deal is to enable dotdot to actually contest the LS election and register a presence, not for winning. Registering the presence now is required so that Akalless can wage his (potentially last) all out campaign for VS 2027. Stupid fellows Akalless and Pappu....donon parivarvaad ke nalayak paidaish pille.

With the current NDA alliance and looking at vote share results from LS 2019, it would be getting > 55% of the vote in LS 2024. That means game over for anyone else. On the other hand the 2019 MGB is now the threadbare dotdot, with only SP and INC...without BSP and RLD, and losing their own netas every day, they'll be lucky to hang on to the 25% vote share the two had together in 2019.

Dubey ji,


If one excludes the commies and nitishwa, all other dotty alliance partners are parivarvaad parties with the avowed aim of protecting, projecting, and preserving, their next generation

another parivarvaad party notorious for selling seats in UP bihar is the old SS from MAH under the penguins

candidates want to use a known election symbol and the impression/advantage that the symbol gives about being an "official" candidate

akilesh vakilesh has been in political wilderness for far too long now, and his coffers are empty

but along with the seat sale, it may also come with the possibility of some sort of vote transference to the congis