bala wrote: ↑09 Mar 2024 11:52
RD 33 series 3 engines were manufactured in HAL Koraput. In 2008 an upgrade for the Mig-29 engine was signed by HAL and Russia which was completed in 2022. RD 33 MK series, which has some specific things for Naval ops, power the Mig 29 KUB Navy version. HAL has also produced 140 of the RD 33 M engines under license. Meanwhile, advances were made to the RD 33 engine and Russia will provide components made specific for the advancement to HAL in the newly signed deal for upgrading the Airforce Mig 29 squads, at 2 engines per craft.
Sqn Ldr Vijainder Thakur provides sufficient background information but seems to blame HAL for everything.
He feels that India should have reversed engineered the Rus engines, little realizing that are specific terms in the deal which preclude such things. In fact, all critical components are supplied by Russia even for license production. HAL is probably the best entity that knows about engines. It is making Helo engines with France's Safran. GTRE can learn from HAL on engines. India is working on Kaveri without any conflict between other partners, and that is the best option. Once the Kaveri is operationalized (don't know when), similar to AESA radar, India might re-engine its fighter aircrafts with Kaveri variants. The Su-30MKI is effectively an Indian aircraft with major critical components all Indian, except for the airframe and engine, the computer, radar, etc are all Indian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AncEl17mlj8
bala saar,
the guy is right.
India should have reverse engineered whatever it could get it's hands on in aeroengine terms, and stripped, examined, studied and analysed and laid out a systematic program to duplicate them for research purposes.
instead, "people" waited for "someone" to procure "garam, garam, bana bana" halwa, serve it to them on silver thalis, after inviting them to the feast
to suddenly defend failure by claiming superior technical morals and engineering morality is quixotic, to say the least.
almost everyone who has succeeded in this field has had their share of dirty work at he crossroads, rank skulduggery, not to mention technical "blood" on their hands and they all sleep the better for it
the germans were ahead in the jet engine field and yet they benefitted by the patent applications publicly filed by britshit babooze idiots who were "overseeing" frank whittle's work
there has to be an element of ground reality and realpolitik when dealing with matters of supreme national interest(s). Morals don't come into it, but "specific terms" in the deal actually tell you where to laser focus your efforts to reverse engineer or make serious efforts to get it using almost any means possible..
the goras stole every bit of german aircraft, jet engine, and rocket technology that they could get their hands on during the closing stages of WWII, amriki and soviet space projects were entirely based on stolen german tech, and israel stole from these goras
the pakis and the cheeni stole and continue to steal anything in the way of technology, using sophisticated versions and variations of सैम, दाम, डंडा, and भेदा.
and yet, in 2024, we foolishly speak of "
He feels that India should have reversed engineered the Rus engines, little realizing that are specific terms in the deal which preclude such things."
So, we should get back to normal programming and wait for "someone" to "dharmically" procure the ayurvedically prepared "garam, garam, bana bana" halwa, serve it to us on pure silver thalis.
what about the ships that the IN is now building, pray do tell, from where did those basic designs come from and how were they "enlarged, improved, quietened, and optimised" to suit the IN
the dornier company offered us, on a lock, stock, and barrel basis, the complete TOT and design, tooling, jigs and all necessary machinery for the Dornier 328 at a throwaway price and this was in the mid to late 80s. This regional aircraft can be fitted with 32 seats
we could have been building our own regional airliner versions today instead of waiting eternally for that ayurvedically prepared in shudh desi bilona ghee "garam, garam, bana bana" ambrosia being showered on us from on high
did you ever wonder why these two aircraft look like they do, and they were contemporaries during the korean war. The agile MiG gave an excellent account of itself
Both used the stolen swept wing tech that was developed by the german designers and engineers, the wings were swept back in order to reduce transonic drag rise as flight speed approached the sound barrier.
even the general design aspects, the similarity in the fuselages are not just coincidences. The strong german lineage and influence shows through so very clearly. One goes so far as to speculate that even the engines that these two aircraft used may have had a common britshit ancestor... would you have applied "morality" in either of the cases..
B-1B Lancer bombers to the IAF 
beginning sometime in 2026. These would be from the 17 that were retired from USAF in 2021. Refurbishment will take up to 18 months.