Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

[YashG]

In the era of sea-drones, submarines will become a lot more survivable than surface ships ?

[Rakesh]

In the era of sea-drones, submarines will become a lot more survivable than surface ships ?

You cannot engage and destroy something, which you cannot see. A submarine's entire survival depends on being silent and staying invisible.

So yes, a submarine is more survivable than a surface vessel. That is the theory. The reality has a whole set of variables that sub commanders have to consider. This game of cat and mouse will always continue.

[AkshaySG]

Submarine drones and unmanned sub tech is also getting better day by day, Previously an enemy sub couldn't risk using all it's detection capabilities lest it gets found out itself but with unmanned/drone subs that will not be the case anymore

As with every technology there will be a counter and then a counter to the counter but that's how the world works

[Manish_P]

Submarine drones and unmanned sub tech is also getting better day by day, Previously an enemy sub couldn't risk using all it's detection capabilities lest it gets found out itself but with unmanned/drone subs that will not be the case anymore
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While that's true Akshay sir, are not submarine drones much costlier compared to aerial drones? Partly due to the stronger material required and secondly because they will need better sensors.

As with every technology there will be a counter and then a counter to the counter but that's how the world works

And the countering ladder increases the price of the systems further, which is opposite of what this current type of warfare is - using cheap expendable unmanned systems to hit costly manned systems

[YashG]

submarine drone will expend most of their energy in detection as they will use non visual spectrum for seeing- since the visual detection is not avl for submarine drones. hifi Visual cameras have become incredibly cheap due to their mass production for mobiles. On the contrary, aerial drones spend less energy on seeing.

But aerial drone expend most of their energy staying afloat in air, which is not required for a submarine drone.

[bala]

Another Indian Navy rescue of hijacked Iranian ship “AI Kambar 786” near the Gulf of Aden. The Indian Navy said that nine pirates aboard the vessel were forced to surrender after "12 hours of tactical measures". The navy received the inputs of a potential pirate incident on March 28 evening and responded by diverting two ships deployed in the Arabian Sea for maritime security.

23 Pakistani nationals aboard the vessel were rescued.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09eO37hTJJg

// Indian Navy is becoming the "911" call of Indian Ocean region. Time for these nations whose ships are hijacked to pay for the service.

[ramana]

My distress is anti piracy and disaster ops will cut into IN.fighting ability.
Maybe designate only certain ships are tasked to this mission.

[drnayar]

My distress is anti piracy and disaster ops will cut into IN.fighting ability.
Maybe designate only certain ships are tasked to this mission.

Well who can do it then? Even USN and not their coast guard are fighting the pirates !

Indian coast guard has mandate only to 200 NM and is equipped as such

Piracy is another form of asymmetrical warfare on the seas ..it has economic and political goals , and hence needs to be dealt as such

[Manish_P]

One option would be escort and protection of only Indian owned merchant ships. Then again Indian nationals are part of the crew of a lot of international merchant marine.

[drnayar]

The option is to co-opt African and littoral IOR nations into providing facilities for replenishment and monitoring in return providing security for their economic lifelines.

India is not trying to be big brother but helping other countries in facilitating and sustaining supply chains for everyone

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/arunp2810/status/1778648770810413451 ---> A&N islands - India’s strategic eastern outpost. History & thoughts in today’s Indian Express.

[Pratyush]

My distress is anti piracy and disaster ops will cut into IN.fighting ability.
Maybe designate only certain ships are tasked to this mission.

The size of the Indian Navy has to increase as our economy and trade grows. That's the only way we can keep our sea lanes open and safe from unfriendly powers.

[Pratyush]

One option would be escort and protection of only Indian owned merchant ships. Then again Indian nationals are part of the crew of a lot of international merchant marine.

Extend protection to Indian commerce in the following way.

1) Any ship, originating from anywhere in the world to any port in India.
2) Any ship, originating from any port in India to anywhere in the world.
3) Any ship owned/ operated/ chartered by an Indian company.

[Manish_P]

Extend protection to Indian commerce in the following way.

1) Any ship, originating from anywhere in the world to any port in India.
2) Any ship, originating from any port in India to anywhere in the world.
3) Any ship owned/ operated/ chartered by an Indian company.

+1

Yesterday read a news post about a Bangladeshi company paying ransom to Somali pirates to release their vessel.

The other naval units in the vicinity apparently declined to undertake rescue efforts stating that they were busy in protecting their assets from Houthi/Iranian threats...

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1781029247957471537 ---> Vice Admiral Dinesh Kumar Tripathi appointed as the next Chief of the Naval Staff. He takes over after the retirement of incumbent Admiral R Hari Kumar.

[VinodTK]

^^^^
Vice admiral Dinesh K Tripathi announced as new Navy chief

NEW DELHI: Vice Admiral Dinesh K Tripathi, who earlier served as the director-general of naval operations and the flag officer commanding-in-chief of the Western Naval Command, will be the next Navy chief, the government announced late on Thursday night.

Vice Admiral Tripathi, who is currently the vice chief, will succeed Admiral R Hari Kumar, who retires on April 30. Commissioned in July 1985, Vice Admiral Tripathi is a communication and electronic warfare specialist who has commanded warships like corvette INS Kirch and frigate INS Trishul as well as held crucial operational and staff appointments during his career.

He will take over the reins of the Navy at a time when Indian warships are extensively deployed in the Gulf of Aden and adjoining areas, Arabian Sea, and off the east coast of Somalia, amid the continuing attacks by Houthi rebels and Somali pirates that have disrupted sea trade in the region.

The 140-warship Navy has responded to over 20 such incidents on the high seas, burnishing its credentials as the ‘first responder’ and ‘preferred security partner’ in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR).


China’s rapidly expanding footprint in the IOR and its collusiveness with Pakistan in the maritime domain as well, of course, also remains a matter of major concern for the Indian defence establishment.

China, which is building ships at a furious rate, already has the world’s largest Navy with 355 warships and submarines. It’s also hunting for more overseas bases after Djibouti on the Horn of Africa, Karachi and Gwadar in Pakistan and now possibly Ream in Cambodia to overcome its existing logistical challenge in the IOR and the larger Indo-Pacific.

As the Eastern Fleet commander, DGNO and Western Naval Command chief, Vice Tripathi has been in the thick of things as far as the high tempo of naval maritime operations is concerned. Importantly, earlier as the assistant chief of naval staff (policy and plans) and now the vice chief since January this year, he has also handled the entire modernization of the force.