Challenge of China_ Political, Economic & Military Responses

[SSridhar]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

[sanman]

If this latest grouping also falls short, perhaps the next grouping can be called SPAZ - Singapore, Philippines America, New Zealand

spaz
/spaz/

noun
an incompetent or uncoordinated person.

verb
lose physical or emotional control.

[sanman]

I have a question for you all - do you think America/West will one day encourage China to invade Mongolia, in order to instigate trouble between China and Russia?

Look at Mongolia's population - just barely above 3 million - making it ripe for China's taking, just like Tibet.

[hgupta]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

You may think so but it’s actually the US since US was the latest avatar of British imperialism and British imperialism is India’s permanent and mortal enemy after the Mughals were vanquished. China has never been an enemy of India until 1959.

[ramana]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

Am surprised SS. There are no permanent enemies, only permanent interests.
PVNR who knew more than most of us had said to paraphrase, "The West will come to India to defang China. My advice is to be neutral."

[ramana]

Gen PRS is coming across as a Col Blimp-type character.

[SSridhar]

Whether SQUAD, AUKUS or QUAD, China is our permanent & mortal enemy.

Am surprised SS. There are no permanent enemies, only permanent interests.
PVNR who knew more than most of us had said to paraphrase, "The West will come to India to defang China. My advice is to be neutral."

Nothing to be surprised about, ramana.

There are certain civilizational aspects in certain countries or in relationships between certain countries. For example, I am convinced that China & Japan could never have a normal state-to-state relationship because of their 2000 year-old civilizational hostility. The Japanese investments in China and the Japan-China trade volume do not alter that equation. That hostility is very enduring and deep-seated.

China's global goals are too well known for repetition, especially here. As our forced-neighbour, its designs and actions are mortally threatening to us. Even if China were to make a course-correction to its stand with us, that would be only tactical as it did in the late 80s & 90s.

Oh yes, PVNR was way too knowledgeable. However, if only permanent interests matter, and rightly so, defanging China is in our permanent interests too because of its behaviour with us since becoming a neighbour as well as its massive size & power which it misuses in the region and in our neighbourhood and backyard. We might not have had a civilisational enmity with China like what Japan had but that cannot be attributed to China's practice of benign statecraft with us for over two millennia. There were other reasons.

[sanman]

Why American Automakers Are Failing In China

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiamzUP6rjo

[sanman]

China grabbing more land from Bhutan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9xe7N_OEXs

[A_Gupta]

https://insideevs.com/features/719015/c ... d-of-west/
China vs the West in electric vehicles

[chetak]

This is why the cheenis, so very badly, want arunachal pradesh


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W6FotCLD ... ture=share

[S_Madhukar]

Ex US Harrier pilot who gave up US citizenship and took Oz passport is charged by US of sharing secrets with Chinese pilots when he was instructor in South Africa and was paid $180K salary. He and family had earlier lived in China for 6 years where he was apparently hired as aviation consultant . Aussie wife says he is innocent but shows you 5 Eyes is a superstate where US calls the shots. This happened more than 10 years ago but only now he was arrested after relations with China have been down recently

https://youtu.be/YTi7Lw6wTXU?si=kNWEoVBU7ZSiF67x

[sanman]

US putting new tariffs on Chinese products

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtAGDcfCOpk

[sanjaykumar]

Gotta admire the way the Americans go for their national interest. They have wiped out trillions from the Shanghai stock exchange but have no intention of stopping.

Lowered demand from the us and allies. Firms pulling out. Investment being curtailed. Alternate supply chains in India Vietnam Mexico. How to win without fighting a war. Sun Tzu anyone?

[srin]

This is why the cheenis, so very badly, want arunachal pradesh


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W6FotCLD ... ture=share

I don't understand. Since Brahmaputra and its tributaries are at a lower elevation in Arunachal than in the Occupied Tibetan plateau, what will the Chinese plan to do with the extra water - do they plan to pump it up the mountains ? Or resettle their population in Arunachal ?

[sanman]

US drills rehearse attacks on China's maritime militias (aka. "Little Blue Men" )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOl8CqDel64

[sanman]

China Plans "6 Wars" to Regain Lost Glory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf1wzDBcmcM

[sanman]

China hosting Egypt's Al-Sisi on Visit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0smPzbhF3Xo

What is China's game in West Asia? Are they going to pull US allies away? China's outreach to Middle East seems to be increasing, and I'm sure the US lobbies and deep state won't be too pleased.

[sanman]

China using Israel-Hamas war to move into Middle East

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CCR8jGta3Os

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARa_FzmNmaQ

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GUm74GXbN28

[R Charan]

Satellite Images Reveal China Deployed Six J-20 Stealth Fighter Near Indian Border



Satellite imagery reveals that China has positioned six of its most advanced J-20 stealth fighter jets at the Shigatse dual-use airport in Tibet. This strategic location is approximately 150 kilometers from the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border between India and China, and near the sensitive Doklam region.
https://defence.in/threads/satellite-im ... rder.7004/

[ramana]

Sanman please limit your posts here to 4 a day. Don't flood us.

Post should have a bearing on India.

[Deans]

Satellite imagery reveals that China has positioned six of its most advanced J-20 stealth fighter jets at the Shigatse dual-use airport in Tibet. This strategic location is approximately 150 kilometers from the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the de facto border between India and China, and near the sensitive Doklam region.

What surprises me is the lack of hardened shelters for these aircraft on the base. You can see these on google earth in any of our fighter bases like Tezpur or Gorakhpur (bases tasked with handling threats from Eastern Tibet).

[Deans]

https://rpdeans.blogspot.com/2024/06/th ... hreat.html

My latest blog post talks of our $ 100 bln (and growing) trade deficit with China.
It is going to be over $100 bln for the second year running. Including China and under invoiced imports it is 50% higher than our defense budget.
Perversely, following any increased tension with China (like Galwan) our imports increase.
I argue that the Govt is disingenuous when discussing the threat, preferring to give us more comforting statistics.

[sanman]

Sanman please limit your posts here to 4 a day. Don't flood us.

Post should have a bearing on India.

Hi,



I feel China intervention in Middle East has bearing on India, because it will intensify US hostility toward China, which will create more openings and leverage for India. I feel US has unusually strong sensitivities on Middle East ("Holy Land") which amount to an Achilles Heel. India obviously gains leverage from US-China hostilities, which had been taking a back seat due to US-Russian hostilities which disadvantage India.

China's maritime militias (aka. "Little Blue Men") are another potential threat to us. They're like Chinese version of jihadi irregulars. They could one day cause problems even in Bay of Bengal, if they show up there.

[SRajesh]

J-20 parked under open skies
Probably just a message rather than any major strategic plan??
And that too just before the election results maybe indicating tougher negotiations (hoping dotty will come to power and capitulate after much dhoti shivering)
Did they get it wrong is the question

[bala]

Ankit Shah prediction on downfall of China.

[sanman]

This guy is US businessman in China who presents a flip-side view:



Is this another Belt-&-Road style initiative from China?