India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[sanman]

Russia factor in Indo-US relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQCw4dABgX8

[Amber G.]

Wow- Worth watching - This about US India Relationship from Dr Jaishankar himself :

Are You Accusing me of bullying US', EAM Jaishankar when asked about bullying in India US ties, leaving audience in a burst of laughter. Terms India US ties "growing but having it's friction points.

[NRao]

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/ ... 7844816048

“The dominance of the United States, which started after the end of the Cold War, has effectively come to an end,” India’s Foreign Minister Jaishankar says.

400 par?

[vera_k]

Only the unipolar world post 1991. Related more to Russian resurgence and US overreach.

[Cyrano]

G@rshi++y is as G@rshi++y does... from 30 secs onwards...

[sanman]

US Spokesman Warning On India's Chabahar Port Deal With Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpTJJ3d9jvg

[Rakesh]

There was a time (especiallyduring the SE fighter contest thread) on BRF, that any mention of US sanctions on India would result in giving gyan along the lines of BRF is so narrow minded and is unable to look at the *BIG* picture. Now only silence comes from these MUTUs on BRF.

Chabahar Port: US says sanctions possible after India-Iran port deal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68988190
14 May 2024

https://x.com/Kdenkss/status/1790343450623353123 ---> The United States is keen to alienate India. It thought it was getting a South Asian Japan, a power that would just be focused purely on containing China and bend to its every will. India will never be that country. The memories of 1971 live long in its political class.

https://x.com/Kdenkss/status/1790344093840867336 ---> There is a general Asian fatigue at the moment over the United States and its vendetta over Iran. No one really cares. Iran is a long established member of the region, its has extensive trading links that go back a Millenia. Asia is not Europe. Besides the Filipinos and the Israelis, no one is keen to watch the continent burn itself over a far away power.

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/MeghUpdates/status/1790203003888345236 ---> “The dominance of the United States, which started after the end of the Cold War, has effectively come to an end.” — Jaishankar, Minister of External Affairs of India.

[VKumar]

Do watch the new video made by US Ambassador to India

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1790436964165996885 ---> "Countries who go to court to decide their elections are giving us Gyan on how to conduct our own elections. Mind games," says EAM Jaishankar. Adds, "Western media openly endorses candidates, political parties in this country..chatur log hai.."

[krithivas]

The United States FBI has forcibly cut off the sea farers from their families as part of the investigation ("playing psyops"). There are 20 Indian aboard the vessel, and not sure if they had consular access (and proper food / rest etc.). And then the US gives "gyaan" to Indians to restore internet in JK or Manipur or wherever else.

"But days later, the crew lost contact with their families when the FBI seized the crew’s cell phones on April 15 as part of its ongoing investigation into the crash."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/18/us/balti ... index.html

[drnayar]

A 400 seat modi govt will effectively make india a global power to reckon with. Washington wants a Indian govt that it can coerce at its will.

Like it or not their 3 letter agencies are all working all out against this ..including their German pals

[sanman]

Please watch Prof Mearsheimer's comments starting @ 14:19

This is why the Israel lobby's agenda is causing significant harm to India, while playing us Indians for suckers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJrXHQ5cGU&t=859s

[NRao]

The Judge is a leftist. Disregard him. And his yt Channel.

Bharat, under Modi, is strong enough to withstand these yahoos. Just ask the PM of Italy!!

Israeli lobby is as worthless as the brotosaisauraus.

Modi demoted Nuland from a Deputy SD to one managing some yahoo's on the campus of Columbia University.

Mearsheimer, under the current circumstances, has been made impotent.

We are in a new era. Delete the past.

[sanman]

The Judge is a leftist. Disregard him. And his yt Channel.

Judge Napolitano was a longtime Fox News commentator, as well as one of Trump's candidates for Supreme Court nominee.
So he's clearly not a Leftist.
You have to remember that there's currently a backlash from much of the US nationalists against seeing their country turned into a vassal state for fighting other people's foreign wars that the US has no real stake in.

Bharat, under Modi, is strong enough to withstand these yahoos. Just ask the PM of Italy!!

Indian govt wouldn't be stuck having to withstand US pressure, if certain yahoos weren't instigating the US into increased imperial games.

Israeli lobby is as worthless as the brotosaisauraus.

Modi demoted Nuland from a Deputy SD to one managing some yahoo's on the campus of Columbia University.

I don't think Modi did that. I think the collapse of America's Ukraine strategy did that.

Mearsheimer, under the current circumstances, has been made impotent.

We are in a new era. Delete the past.

Overconfidence comes before a fall. Vigilance is always required.

[NRao]

Napolitano, Nuland, Mearsheimer, Israeli lobby, etc are all irrelevant (granted they all did play a pivotal role in the PAST).

ONLY Modi was invited (none of the above have been), even before Bharatiya elections to the G-7 meet.

Nuland LOST in BD, to Modi. जी हा | बुरी तरह से |


Like I said, forget the past. We are in a new era. And, if 400 par does happen, then all bets are off.

[NRao]

Napolitano is a leftist.

[ricky_v]

https://www.aei.org/articles/weathering-the-crisis/

While a return of a majority-BJP government at the center could potentially lead to five more years of stable governance and macroeconomic outlook, the religious polarization and India’s turn to a more outwardly Hindu-nationalist nation cannot be dismissed. This would be a perennial bone of contention for Washington, particularly as it prioritizes value-based partnerships over interest-based ones. That said, a government formed by the INDI alliance will not necessarily bode well for the US-India bilateral partnership either. With several regional parties subscribing to socialist and even Marxist ideals, the liberalization and reforms needed for a better business environment for American enterprises may not be in the cards—turning the clock back to 2014 or, worse, 1990—an era prior to India’s opening to the world with liberalization recommended by the International Monetary Fund. The leader of the opposition, Rahul Gandhi, has advocated for more welfare schemes while a few of his partners in the INDI alliance have advocated for radical measures such as giving up India’s nuclear program to abandoning ties with Israel to increasing government job guarantees. Such hyperbole and exaggerations kept newsrooms buzzing with more to report on and TV debates were not short of sparring contests between spokespersons of different political parties and analysts. Polls unanimously predict a third term for the Modi government coming back to power with an absolute majority. However, analysts are of the view that the government’s delayed response to the civil strife in Manipur could cost them the northeastern state and seats in a few other states such as the western state of Maharashtra and southern state of Karnataka. In an election year, every topic becomes a highly political discussion, so the topic of American and other foreign investments into India’s critical and emerging technology manufacturing sectors turned into a political debate. In the southern states of both Tamil Nadu and Telangana, leaders accused the Modi government of diverting foreign investments in semiconductor manufacturing to states to the prime minister’s home state of Gujarat.

On balance, the first four months were marked by the usual media trials of India’s fitness as a partner and the attempts to portray India as a non-democratic nation. The election year made it ever more polemical, with Indian politicians making it easy through their polarizing rhetoric for India skeptics to paint the nation in broad strokes.

The Washington Post reported that the CIA, FBI, and other agencies that mapped “potential” links between the assassination plot and Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s inner circle and supposedly found both RAW chief Samant Goel and perhaps National Security Adviser Ajit Doval may have been aware of the operation. Whatever the truth of the allegation—and the description of the investigation was filled with conditionals rather than firm declarations—New Delhi is right to be upset about both the leak, the patchwork narrative upon which US allegations rest, and the presence and activity on US soil of those deemed terrorists by the Indian government. Washington, meanwhile, could rightly be angry if RAW plotted an assassination on US soil against a US citizen.

Cynics might say rightly that fear of People’s Republic of China’s militarism and expansionism motivates both Washington and New Delhi to overcome bilateral grievances, but the desire for relations is broader. Both the United States and India base bilateral ties today as much on a desire for partnership to benefit both countries’ economy than simply fear of a mutual enemy. Relations are truly symbiotic.

The United States-India security partnership continued to development in the first four months of the year. On February 21, 2024, the US Department of Defense and India’s Ministry of Defense inaugurated their second India-US Defense Acceleration Ecosystem (INDUS-X) Summit in New Delhi.3 The attendance of Adm. John C. Aquilino, commander of US Pacific Command, highlighted the importance the Pentagon places on military industrial cooperation with India. Indian Defense Secretary Shri Giridhar Aramane’s participation likewise demonstrated high-level Indian buy-in for the summit’s goals. The summit focused on ways to manufacture jointly and enhance advanced military capabilities and platforms, as well as create resilient supply chains.

On February 1, 2024, the State Department provided preliminary approval for the nearly $4 billion sale.

High-level discussions also continued outside formal exercises. On April 11, 2024, US Army Pacific Headquarters in Hawaii hosted a senior Indian delegation led by Lt. General TK Aich, the deputy chief of the Army Staff for Strategy, to discuss cooperation between the two militaries. Quite simply, American and Indian military leaders are actively socializing to break down boundaries and decades of distance-creating formality.

The US Department of Treasury sanctioned three Indian companies, supporting Sahara Thunder—Zen Shipping, Port India Private Limited, and Sea Art Ship Management (OPC) Private Limited. for facilitating illicit trade of unmanned UAVs to the Iranian military. Similarly, Indian microelectronics maker Si2 was sanctioned by the EU for allegedly supplying chips originating in the US to the Russian military.

[Vayutuvan]

Napolitano is a leftist.

OK. Here you go.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Napolitano

He is a libertarian and has gained prominence in part due to his criticism of the administrations of George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump.[2] Beginning in 1997, he became an analyst for Fox News, commenting on legal news and trials.

Is he "left" libertarian or "right" libertarian? Minarchist? Since he belongs to the Libertarian party,let us look at what Wikipedia says.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertari ... ed_States)

Its fiscal policy positions include lowering taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), decreasing the national debt, allowing people to opt out of Social Security and eliminating the welfare state, in part by utilizing private charities. Its cultural policy positions include ending the prohibition of illegal drugs, advocating criminal justice reform,[16] supporting same-sex marriage, ending capital punishment, and supporting gun ownership rights.

None of those look like leftist positions to me.

(Probably this has to be moved to the UNderstanding the US thread. @sanman ji and @NRRao gaaru, please let us continue there).

[A_Gupta]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... aign=share

The US seems to have a lot of evidence that Saudi officials were involved in 9/11. They have made more noise over Pannun, at least in public, about this.

The link above should give access to the article. If not,

A new filing in a lawsuit brought by the families of 9/11 victims against the government of Saudi Arabia alleges that al-Qaeda had significant, indeed decisive, state support for its attacks. Officials of the Saudi government, the plaintiffs’ attorneys contend, formed and operated a network inside the United States that provided crucial assistance to the first cohort of 9/11 hijackers to enter the country.

…

The filing, responding to a Saudi motion to dismiss the case, which is currently before the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, makes extensive reference to FBI investigative reports, memos, communications records, and contemporaneous evidentiary materials that are still under seal but are likely to be made public in the coming weeks. One of us—Steven Simon—has been a plaintiffs’ expert in the case, enlisted to review and provide an independent assessment of the evidence. Some of the claims in the filing appear to be corroborated by a document, prepared by the FBI in July 2021 and titled “Connections to the Attacks of September 11, 2001,” as well as by other documents declassified under President Joe Biden’s Executive Order 14040. The materials produced thus far in the case deal mainly with Saudi support provided to these two California-based al-Qaeda operatives, and their fellow hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon. Assuming that the case—now seven years old—goes forward, the presiding judge could order a further, broader discovery phase probing possible Saudi support for the other hijackers, most of whom came to the East Coast beginning in mid-2000.

[A_Gupta]

https://english.radio.cz/constitutional ... us-8817759

05/22/2024
Czechia can extradite Indian national Nikhil Gupta to the US, where he faces charges of conspiring to assassinate a Sikh separatist leader in New York.

The Constitutional Court has rejected the complaint filed by the businessman against the Prague High Court, which approved the extradition in January.

Gupta's indictment was announced last year by New York prosecutors, who said the plot was to assassinate a Sikh separatist leader in New York. The accused faces up to 20 years in prison. He was arrested at Prague airport at the end of June last year.

Author:
Ruth Fraňková

[sanman]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... aign=share

The US seems to have a lot of evidence that Saudi officials were involved in 9/11. They have made more noise over Pannun, at least in public, about this.

Even worse than Saudis was the complicity of Pak officials. But no families are suing Pak, because it has no money. Lawyers only go after the fat juicy targets. Instead, Pak govt gets money from the US to prop it up.

[Amber G.]

Absolute humbleness!
At her appointment to the Sacramento County Superior Court, Judge Jaya Badiga offers a Telugu "Swagatam)" and ends her speech with the "Asato Ma Sadgamaya"
Congratulations Judge Jaya Badiga!

Ro khanna and Jayapal should take notes on how to stay true!

[Amber G.]

This is as unnerving as it is important for all of US in USA - especially Indian Americans.

The very arm of the State of California which perpetuates false, xenophobic stereotypes about Hindu & Indian Americans, has suppressed key evidence, and works with known anti-Hindu activists in its baseless claims against Cisco is funded generously to address hate and discrimination against Hindu Americans?

cal-civil-rights needs to be held accountable before it can be trusted.

@calcivilrights released its first CA vs Hate report tracking reports of hate crimes/incidents received by a special hotline.

Anti-Hindu religious targeting was the 2nd most common reason for calls when religion was the motivation (23.3%).

This report confirms the lived reality of many HinduAmericans & underscores that Hinduphobia is more prevalent than previously reported.

Caste laws/policies that target & profile Hindu Americans, dual loyalty smears that hold Hindus responsible for Indian political realities and textbooks/academic scholarship that stereotype or erase Hinduism as it is practiced and actually experienced, all contribute to the targeting the community is experiencing.

In First Year, Statewide Anti-Hate Hotline Connects Hundreds of Californians with Support in Response to 1,000+ Reported Acts of Hate

[bala]

Sacramento County Superior Court, Judge Jaya Badiga in her speech ends with "Asato Ma Sadgamaya"

I have explained the true meaning of this shloka in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad 1.3.28 for
असतो मा सद्गमय

Those needing to understand can read the link.

[A_Gupta]

The last step in Nikhil Gupta’s extradition
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 32234.html

[sanman]

Sree Iyer and Ret'd General Shankar on Indo-US Relations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMDD6yIkhsc

[NRao]

A few weeks ago I had said that Modi was the reason that Vicky Behan resigned. Here is some info, for your consideration, related to that matter.

[Amber G.]

Verdict reached in Trump criminal trial and the jury will present its decision shortly...
(There is a VERDICT in the first-ever criminal trial of a former president in USA)

[Amber G.]

^^^ GUILTY on all counts!

The Jury in Trump’s hush money trial has officially reached a verdict.

It has officially been declared that former president, Donald J. Trump, is guilty of all 34 charges.

The judge will give Trump’s sentence soon.

[g.sarkar]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/30 ... al-verdict
Live Updates: TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS IN HUSH-MONEY CASE
Donald J. Trump, the former president and presumptive 2024 Republican nominee, was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in a case stemming from a payment that silenced a ***** star.
The former president’s sentencing is scheduled for July. Here’s the latest.
Donald J. Trump was convicted on Thursday of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal that threatened to derail his 2016 presidential campaign, capping an extraordinary trial that tested the resilience of the American justice system and will reverberate into November’s election.

Mr. Trump was convicted on all 34 counts of falsifying business records by a jury of 12 New Yorkers, who deliberated over two days to reach a decision in a case rife with descriptions of secret deals, tabloid scandal and an Oval Office pact with echoes of Watergate. The former president sat largely expressionless, a glum look on his face, after the jury issued its verdict. His sentencing was scheduled for July 11.
......
Gautam
Ab maza aayega.

[krithivas]

^^^ Does this disqualify Trump from presidency? or give states power to not list him in the ballot?

[saip]

No. He can still be President if elected Nov 5.

[vera_k]

^ And pardon himself? Or needs a handpicked successor who will.

I will say that Kejriwal has provided a template for running government from jail. Maybe that is why the US ambassador to India was so interested in his case

[Amber G.]

^^^ To add -- The conviction in New York on charges related to falsifying business records does not automatically disqualify him from running for president again...

However, the conviction could potentially impact his eligibility under the 14th Amendment, Section 3, which states that anyone who has taken an oath to support the Constitution and has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or given aid or comfort to its enemies, shall not be eligible to hold any office, including the presidency...

This provision has never been tested in court, and it's unclear how it would be applied in this situation. Additionally, any attempt to disqualify Trump from running for president would likely face legal challenges and political debates.

Trump's legal team has already filed an appeal against the conviction, and the case is ongoing. Ultimately, the courts will have to decide whether the conviction affects Trump's eligibility to run for public office again...

Trump is already (within minutes of the verdict) using this on SM for fundraising and advantage..
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[NRao]

भाई लोग,

WRT Indo-US relations, it really does not matter.

Bharat does NOT have an ambassador to the US, and the US has a cartoon as an ambassador to Bharat.

IMHO, in the calculus of Modi, the US is irrelevant. Jaishankar said so!¡!!!!!!!!!!!!! He did not mince words.

Just my 2 paise.

[srin]

Really concerned about the state of democracy in America. The persecution of the primary political opponent to the ruling regime raises doubts on the independence of judiciary and other institutions. I hope that America gets back to the path of democracy.

[arshyam]

Amreeka mein democracy khatre mein hai. I hope India is watching the deterioration of democracy in the oldest democracy in the world with concern. The opposition is being muzzled and all that (fill in whatever platitudes WaPo/NYT/Economist mouth off against India).

[saip]

^ And pardon himself? Or needs a handpicked successor who will.

I will say that Kejriwal has provided a template for running government from jail. Maybe that is why the US ambassador to India was so interested in his case

No, he can NOT pardon himself as this is a State Conviction. Only the Governor of NY can pardon Trump.

[A_Gupta]

If Trump can get his appeal to the Supreme Court, given his allies there, he has a chance of getting his conviction thrown out.