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As per which reports, Republic World?

Iran Destroys 30 Israeli F-35 Fighter Jets in Massive Missile Attack: Reports
Iran has completely destroyed 30, 5th generation Israeli F-35 fighter jets in a massive missile attack which were reportedly used by Israel in airstrikes on Gaza during the invasion, as per reports.

On the eve of Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year ), Israel faced a massive missile attack, with over 400 ballistic missiles launched from Iran, setting off sirens across the country. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) confirmed that the missiles were fired from Iran, leading to alerts in central and southern Israel, urging citizens to seek immediate shelter.
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Manish_P wrote: 03 Oct 2024 11:21 As per which reports, Republic World?

Iran Destroys 30 Israeli F-35 Fighter Jets in Massive Missile Attack: Reports
Iran has completely destroyed 30, 5th generation Israeli F-35 fighter jets in a massive missile attack which were reportedly used by Israel in airstrikes on Gaza during the invasion, as per reports.

On the eve of Rosh Hashanah (Jewish New Year ), Israel faced a massive missile attack, with over 400 ballistic missiles launched from Iran, setting off sirens across the country. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) confirmed that the missiles were fired from Iran, leading to alerts in central and southern Israel, urging citizens to seek immediate shelter.
My key takeout from seeing the RU- UA war, and the war in the Middle East is the need for massive numbers of missiles and artillery needed to break through enemy air defense systems. I really hope that the Indian defense establishment is preparing for this. Even if reports of a stockpile of 1500 Brahmos are true, it will not be sufficient against the Lizard. Even for 155 mm artillery shells, our projected production end 2027 will be 0.3 million p.a., whereas, currently Russia is firing over 0.45 million p.m. In the event of a war, we will not be in a position to continue fighting with a free hand.
I believe the same goes for Air Defense, AAM's, MANPADS and ATGM's. The Services really need to look for a cost-effective desi solution than gold plated kit from abroad.
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isubodh wrote: 02 Oct 2024 22:55 As if our goodwill hold them back from doing what they can. Same mindset we apply to Pak.
China has already done what it wanted, bugging telecom and other equipments though not explosives(or no one yet discovered)
If it helps they have done it.
We are reactionary, the proactive mindset is not there with Indian defense planners or for that matter any planner.
Sounds like Mutual Assured Destruction of Supply Chains.
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Mukesh.Kumar wrote: 03 Oct 2024 12:17 ...
In the event of a war, we will not be in a position to continue fighting with a free hand
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Our thinking and doctrine, based on previous wars and the long insurgencies, seems to be that the wars we will face in the future, from the same opponents, will still be short wars limited to a few kms on the borders and the civilian government will step in at the table for a ceasefire if and when things get dire.
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Is it true that Russia & Iran will sign some mutual defense treaty during BRICS summit in last week of October? :-o



https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is ... 024-09-10/

Russia Is Close to Signing New Bilateral Treaty with Iran, Shoigu Says
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sanman wrote: 03 Oct 2024 20:06 Is it true that Russia & Iran will sign some mutual defense treaty during BRICS summit in last week of October? :-o



https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-is ... 024-09-10/

Russia Is Close to Signing New Bilateral Treaty with Iran, Shoigu Says
maybe a nuclear umbrella ?!! .. here we go again merry go around :((
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Israelis hit the Russian airbase in Khmeimim, Syria :eek:

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Anybody see how that unlucky Palestinian guy crossing the street in the West Bank town of Jericho got hit by missile falling out of sky?

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Meanwhile: The new Hezbollah leader who replaced the previous new Hezbollah leader who was eliminated after he replaced the previous leader who was eliminated, was eliminated tonight...
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"Why Are Israel & Mossad Better Than Everyone Else?" -- Junglees Wanna Know

(I found the questions being asked were poor, I also found the answers/analysis to be lacking)

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Israeli tactics vis-a-vis Hezbollah so far:
1. create fear amongst foot soldiers and prevent use of pagers and walkie-talkie : meaning taking out to some extent communication to foot soldiers making central command control of the conflict difficult.
2. taking out the commanders : targetted killings i.e., create a power vacuum at the top and make it difficult for planning and control
3. taking out the stores/ammo dump/block subterreanean tunnel network and make it difficult for deployment
And then the ground operations.
Is this a evolved strategy following the Gaza operations??
or is it just a mindless ramblings of an armchair general??
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Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu says,
"I have a message for President Emmanuel Macron. Today Israel is defending itself on seven fronts against the enemies of civilization. We're fighting in Gaza against Hamas, those savages who murdered, raped, beheaded and burned our people on October 7. We're fighting in Lebanon against Hezbollah, the most heavily armed terror organization in the world, which was planning an even greater massacre than October 7 on our northern border and that has rocketed Israeli towns and cities for nearly a year. We're fighting against the Houthis in Yemen and the Shiite militias in Iraq and Syria that together have launched hundreds of drones and missile attacks against Israel. We're fighting against terrorists in Judea and Samaria who tried to murder civilians in the heart of our cities and we're fighting against Iran, which last week fired over 200 ballistic missiles directly at Israel and which stands behind the seven-front wars against Israel. As Israel fights the forces of barbarism led by Iran, all civilized countries should be standing firmly by Israel's side. Yet President Macron and some other Western leaders are now calling for an arms embargo against Israel. Shame on them. Is Iran imposing an arms embargo on Hezbollah, on the Houthis, on Hamas and its other proxies? Of course not. The axis of terror stands together, but countries who supposedly oppose this terror axis call for an arms embargo on Israel. What a disgrace. Well, let me tell you this, Israel will win with or without their support but their shame will continue long after the war is won...Israel is defending civilizations, against those who seek to impose a dark age of fanaticism on all of us...Israel will fight until the battle is won for our sake and the sake of the peace and security of the entire world."
Sorce: Video Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu's Twitter handle
https://twitter.com/i/status/1842656023062179997
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The Washington Post is out with new reporting on how the Mossad got those pagers into the hands of Hezbollah.
Mossad’s pager operation: Inside Israel’s penetration of Hezbollah

(Needs subscription .. some summary)

Hezbollah operatives were enticed by the bulky, rugged pagers that were pitched to them because they felt they could survive battlefield conditions.

They were waterproof and had an oversized battery that could operate for MONTHS without charging.

The pagers also allowed encrypted messages to be sent but there was a catch.

In order for the encrypted message to be read, the user had to press two buttons at the same time.

That’s how the Mossad insured that most Hezbollah members had the pagers in their hands when they exploded.

The pagers contained such a tiny amount of the explosive PETN that even if Hezbollah broke open the pagers, they wouldn’t be able to detect its presence.



The Mossad already got walkie talkies in the hands of Hezbollah back in 2015. The walkie talkies contained an extra large battery and also gave the ability of Mossad to eavesdrop on ALL Hezbollah communications, which it did for nine years.
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Blackwater CEO Erik Prince speaks quite intelligently - I generally agreed with what he said

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Will Israel strike Iran today, on the 1-year anniversary of Oct 7 attack?

Apparently, more US aircraft - including aerial refueling tankers - are showing up in the Middle East, to perhaps aid such an operation

Also - has Iran just carried out a nuclear test?




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https://thecradle.co/articles-id/27182

Iran Earthquake Sparks Speculation of Covert Nuclear Weapons Test
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Mossad’s pager operation: Inside Israel’s penetration of Hezbollah
New details emerge of Israel’s elaborate plan to sabotage Hezbollah communications devices to kill or maim thousands of its operatives.
TEL AVIV — In the initial sales pitch to Hezbollah two years ago, the new line of Apollo pagers seemed precisely suited to the needs of a militia group with a sprawling network of fighters and a hard-earned reputation for paranoia.
The AR924 pager was slightly bulky but rugged, built to survive battlefield conditions. It boasted a waterproof Taiwanese design and an oversized battery that could operate for months without charging. Best of all, there was no risk that the pagers could ever be tracked by Israel’s intelligence services. Hezbollah’s leaders were so impressed they bought 5,000 of them and began handing them out to mid-level fighters and support personnel in February.

None of the users suspected they were wearing an ingeniously crafted Israeli bomb. And even after thousands of the devices exploded in Lebanon and Syria, few appreciated the pagers’ most sinister feature: a two-step de-encryption procedure that ensured most users would be holding the pager with both hands when it detonated.

As many as 3,000 Hezbollah officers and members — most of them rear-echelon figures — were killed or maimed, along with an unknown number of civilians, according to Israeli, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials, when Israel’s Mossad intelligence service triggered the devices remotely on Sept. 17.

As an act of spy craft, it is without parallel, one of the most successful and inventive penetrations of an enemy by an intelligence service in recent history. But key details of the operation — including how it was planned and carried out, and the controversy it engendered within Israel’s security establishment and among allies — are only now coming to light.

This account, including numerous new details about the operation, was pieced together from interviews with Israeli, Arab and U.S. security officials, politicians and diplomats briefed on the events, as well as Lebanese officials and people close to Hezbollah. They spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence. They describe a years-long plan that originated at Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv and ultimately involved a cast of operatives and unwitting accomplices in multiple countries. The Washington Post account reveals how the attack not only devastated Hezbollah’s leadership ranks but also emboldened Israel to target and kill Hezbollah’s top leader, Hasan Nasrallah, raising the risk of a wider Middle East war.

Iran launched around 180 missiles against Israel on Tuesday in retaliation for Israeli attacks on Hezbollah’s leadership and warned of harsher consequences if the conflict escalates.

“The resistance in the region will not back down even with the killing of its leaders,” Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said during a Friday sermon in Tehran.

But in Israel, the strike convinced the country’s political leaders that Hezbollah could be put on the ropes, susceptible to a systematic dismantling using airstrikes and, eventually, a ground invasion. Yet while marveling at the plot’s success, some officials continue to worry about the broader ripples of the strike, in a conflict that continues to spiral.

One Israeli political official, referring to the pager plot, summed up the anxieties in a quip at a meeting with Mossad officials.
“We cannot make a strategic decision such as an escalation in Lebanon while counting on a toy,” the official said.
Designed by Mossad, assembled in Israel

A photo taken on Sept. 18 in Beirut's southern suburbs shows the remnants of exploded Hezbollah pagers. (AFP/Getty Images)
The idea for the pager operation originated in 2022, according to the Israeli, Middle Eastern and U.S. officials familiar with the events. Parts of the plan began falling into place more than a year before Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack that put the region on a path to war. It was a time of relative quiet on Israel’s war-scarred northern border with Lebanon.

Among the half dozen Iranian-backed militia groups with weapons aimed at Israel, Hezbollah is by far the strongest. Israeli officials had watched with increasing anxiety as the Lebanese group added new weapons to an arsenal already capable of striking Israeli cities with tens of thousands of precision-guided missiles.

Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service responsible for combating foreign threats to the Jewish state, had worked for years to penetrate the group with electronic monitoring and human informants. Over time, Hezbollah leaders learned to worry about the group’s vulnerability to Israeli surveillance and hacking, fearing that even ordinary cellphones could be turned into Israeli-controlled eavesdropping and tracking devices.

Thus was born the idea of creating a kind of communications Trojan horse, the officials said. Hezbollah was looking for hack-proof electronic networks for relaying messages, and Mossad came up with a pair of ruses that would lead the militia group to purchase devices that seemed perfect for the job — equipment that Mossad designed and had assembled in Israel.

The first part of the plan, booby-trapped walkie-talkies, began being inserted into Lebanon by Mossad nearly a decade ago, in 2015. The mobile two-way radios contained oversized battery packs, a hidden explosive and a transmission system that gave Israel complete access to Hezbollah communications.

For nine years, the Israelis contented themselves with eavesdropping on Hezbollah, the officials said, while reserving the option to turn the walkie-talkies into bombs in a future crisis. But then came a new opportunity and a glitzy new product: a small pager equipped with a powerful explosive. In an irony that would not become clear for many months, Hezbollah would end up indirectly paying the Israelis for the tiny bombs that would kill or wound many of its operatives.

Because Hezbollah leaders were alert to possible sabotage, the pagers could not originate in Israel, the United States or any other Israeli ally. So, in 2023, the group began receiving solicitations for the bulk purchase of Taiwanese-branded Apollo pagers, a well-recognized trademark and product line with worldwide distribution and no discernible links to Israeli or Jewish interests. The Taiwanese company had no knowledge of the plan, officials said.

The sales pitch came from a marketing official trusted by Hezbollah with links to Apollo. The marketing official, a woman whose identity and nationality officials declined to reveal, was a former Middle East sales representative for the Taiwanese firm who had established her own company and acquired a license to sell a line of pagers that bore the Apollo brand. Sometime in 2023, she offered Hezbollah a deal on one of the products her firm sold: the rugged and reliable AR924.

“She was the one in touch with Hezbollah, and explained to them why the bigger pager with the larger battery was better than the original model,” said an Israeli official briefed on details of the operation. One of the main selling points about the AR924 was that it was “possible to charge with a cable. And the batteries were longer lasting,” the official said.

As it turned out, the actual production of the devices was outsourced and the marketing official had no knowledge of the operation and was unaware that the pagers were physically assembled in Israel under Mossad oversight, officials said. Mossad’s pagers, each weighing less than three ounces, included a unique feature: a battery pack that concealed a tiny amount of a powerful explosive, according to the officials familiar with the plot.

In a feat of engineering, the bomb component was so carefully hidden as to be virtually undetectable, even if the device was taken apart, the officials said. Israeli officials believe that Hezbollah did disassemble some of the pagers and may have even X-rayed them.
Also invisible was Mossad’s remote access to the devices. An electronic signal from the intelligence service could trigger the explosion of thousands of the devices at once. But, to ensure maximum damage, the blast could also be triggered by a special two-step procedure required for viewing secure messages that had been encrypted.

“You had to push two buttons to read the message,” an official said. In practice, that meant using both hands.
In the ensuing explosion, the users would almost certainly “wound both their hands,” the official said, and thus “would be incapable to fight.”

An encrypted message
In a speech at the United Nations on Sept. 27, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking to Hezbollah, said “Enough is enough.” (Eduardo Munoz/Reuters)

Most top elected officials in Israel were unaware of the capability until Sept. 12. That’s the day Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu summoned his intelligence advisers for a meeting to discuss potential action against Hezbollah, Israeli officials said.
According to a summary of the meeting weeks later by officials briefed on the event, Mossad officials offered a first glimpse into what had been one of the agency’s most secretive operations. By then, the Israelis had placed booby-trapped pagers in the hands and pockets of thousands of Hezbollah operatives.

Intelligence officials also talked about a long-held anxiety: With the escalating crisis in southern Lebanon, there was a growing risk the explosives would be discovered. Years of careful planning and deception could quickly come to naught.
Across Israel’s security establishment, an intense debate erupted, officials said. Everyone, including Netanyahu, recognized that the thousands of exploding pagers could do untold damage to Hezbollah, but could also trigger a fierce response, including a massive retaliatory missile strike by surviving Hezbollah leaders, with Iran possibly joining in the fray.

“It was clear that there were some risks,” an Israeli official said. Some, including senior Israel Defense Forces officials, warned of the potential for a full-fledged escalation with Hezbollah, even as Israeli soldiers were continuing operations against Hamas in Gaza. But others, chiefly Mossad, saw an opportunity to disrupt the status quo with “something more intense.”
The United States, Israel’s closest ally, was not informed of the booby-trapped pagers or the internal debate over whether to trigger them, U.S. officials said.

Ultimately, Netanyahu approved triggering the devices while they could inflict maximum damage. Over the following week, Mossad began preparations for detonating both the pagers and walkie-talkies already in circulation.

In Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, meanwhile, the debate over the Hezbollah campaign expanded to include another profoundly consequential target: Nasrallah himself.

Mossad had known of the leader’s whereabouts in Lebanon for years and tracked his movements closely, officials said. Yet the Israelis held their fire, certain that an assassination would lead to all-out war with the militia group, and perhaps with Iran as well. American diplomats had been pressing Nasrallah to agree to a separate cease-fire with Israel, without links to the fighting in Gaza, hoping for a deal that could lead to the withdrawal of Hezbollah fighters from the southern Lebanese bases that threatened Israeli citizens in communities near the border.

Senior Israeli officials said they voiced support for the cease-fire proposal, but Nasrallah withheld his consent, insisting on a cease-fire for Gaza first, U.S. and Middle Eastern officials said. Some senior political and military officials in Israel remained deeply uncertain about targeting Nasrallah, fearing the fallout in the region.

On Sept. 17, even as the debate in Israel’s highest national security circles about whether to strike the Hezbollah leader raged on, thousands of Apollo-branded pagers rang or vibrated at once, all across Lebanon and Syria. A short sentence in Arabic appeared on the screen: “You received an encrypted message,” it said.

Hezbollah operatives dutifully followed the instructions for checking coded messages, pressing two buttons. In houses and shops, in cars and on sidewalks, explosions ripped apart hands and blew away fingers. Less than a minute later, thousands of other pagers exploded by remote command, regardless of whether the user ever touched his device.

The following day, on Sept. 18, hundreds of walkie-talkies blew up in the same way, killing and maiming users and bystanders.
It was the first of a series of blows aimed at the heart of one of Israel’s most ardent foes. As Hezbollah reeled, Israel struck again, pounding the group’s headquarters, arsenals and logistic centers with 2,000-pound bombs.

The largest series of airstrikes occurred on Sept. 27, 10 days after the pagers exploded. The attack, targeting a deeply buried command center in Beirut, was ordered by Netanyahu as he traveled to New York for a United Nations speech in which he declared, speaking to Hezbollah, “Enough is enough.”

“We will not accept a terror army perched on our northern border, able to perpetrate another Oct. 7-style massacre,” Netanyahu said in the speech.

The next day, Sept. 28, Hezbollah confirmed what most of the world already knew: Nasrallah, the group’s fiery leader and sworn enemy of Israel, was dead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... nasrallah/
https://archive.is/NlL9d#selection-645.0-1363.153
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Meanwhile:
Israel marks the first anniversary of the October 7 attack by Hamas.
Israeli Air Force strikes over 120 Hezbollah targets in just one hour.

Several big terrorists killed.
NETANYAHU - "We are obligated to bring back our hostages.

"We are committed to our heroes who fell in defence of the homeland and the nation"
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Is this true?




Why the hell would Iran buy JF-17 instead of buying real Chinese jets?
I don't think JF-17 will last long against F-35
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Benjamin Netanyahu while serving in the IDF in his younger days .........

He trained as a combat soldier and served for five years in a special forces unit of the IDF, Sayeret Matkal.




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India did not sign the letter that “condemns” Israel for banning UN Chief Guterres from entering the country.

104 countries have signed the letter.
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chetak wrote: 10 Oct 2024 23:03 Benjamin Netanyahu while serving in the IDF in his younger days .........

He trained as a combat soldier and served for five years in a special forces unit of the IDF, Sayeret Matkal.

these pics are his brother yonatan who was KIA in entebbe.
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gakakkad wrote: 14 Oct 2024 00:47
chetak wrote: 10 Oct 2024 23:03 Benjamin Netanyahu while serving in the IDF in his younger days .........

He trained as a combat soldier and served for five years in a special forces unit of the IDF, Sayeret Matkal.

these pics are his brother yonatan who was KIA in entebbe.

checkout his wiki page, gakakkad saar
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^^^ Yes, those pictures are indeed of Israel's PM .. (See google lens)

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It would seem that Israel has bumped off Yahya Sinwar the architect of the Hamas attack… to be confirmed.

You have to hand it to Israelis : while the long term effectiveness of its strategy can be debated - they definitely spare no one and exact revenge.
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Tanaji wrote: 17 Oct 2024 21:54 It would seem that Israel has bumped off Yahya Sinwar the architect of the Hamas attack… to be confirmed.

You have to hand it to Israelis : while the long term effectiveness of its strategy can be debated - they definitely spare no one and exact revenge.
They did. Below is his dead body...

https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/1846923923587318085 ---> Israeli soldiers pose with Yahya Sinwar.

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There is a drone video of the last moments of Yahya Sinwar (shared widely - not putting a like here)..Yahya Sinwar..

Interesting part: He wasn’t killed by IDF Special Forces. Not even by Air Force. He was killed by an IDF Infantry soldier who joined Israel Army only 9 months ago. The soldier was not even in Army when Hamas terror attack happened on 7th Oct ‘23.
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As per some reports, the Israelis ran into 3 people while they were conducting a house-to-house search and one of them was Yahya. The 3 then split up and went into different buildings that were all attacked by some sort of explosive. They then sent a drone to verify - that is the video circulating. It shows him alive but injured and he throws a stick or something at the drone. They were still concerned about booby traps in the building so they then fired a tank shell and killed him.
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There are still some people left in the west who can see reality

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Israel is now targetting banks with bombs that are parking Hezbollah funds. Interesting precedence being laid down and nary a peep from the West.

I can see lots of scenarios that this could be applied to
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Breaking:

Israel launches air strikes on Iran. This is going to be all out war looks like.

This almost feels scripted by someone who wants to force a redrawing of Middle East
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More than a 100 aircrafts used by IDF in the attack on Iran. The exact nature of the targets and the damage caused all shrouded in mystery as of now.
Some reports suggest there were multiple waves of attack by Israel. The US has repeated iron clad guarantee of defending Israel.

If Iran responds to the attack there could be serious escalation.

If the attack was similar to what Iran did in April, that is inform before hand, then the chances of escalation would be less. However, the way BiBi has been playing this, it seems he is hell bent on starting a full scale war with Iran, which would severely degrade Iran's air defense systems, air force and finally its nuke program. Iran land forces would never come into the picture. Possibly also target the entire telecom network in Iran.
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