Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/jaywankhadejrw/status/1815967425508024583 --> Interesting. T-72 tank towing a TATA LPS 4018 Truck & Trailer with another T-72 tank on it. Armoured Corps - Indian Army.

[sanman]

Another light tank?

[Pratyush]

It was rejected by the army a long time ago. This particular system will not go anywhere.

I am more concerned about the dog's breakfast Indian army is determined to make of the Zoravar procurement. The 59 Zoravar are confirmed, but for the rest of the nos. They will have a bloody global tender.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1820842048658001938 ---> 𝗔𝗩𝗡𝗟 𝘁𝗼 𝗣𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗥𝗢𝗘 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗛𝗣𝗖 𝗼𝗳 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗜𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗟𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗧𝗮𝗻𝗸 𝗣𝗿𝗼𝗷𝗲𝗰𝘁.

Indian DPSU @AVANI_PR to collaborate with 𝗥𝗼𝘀𝗼𝗯𝗼𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 and 𝗛𝗣𝗖 for the 𝗗𝗲𝘀𝗶𝗴𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹𝗼𝗽𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗜𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗮𝗻 𝗟𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗧𝗮𝗻𝗸 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗷𝗲𝗰𝘁. They will form a JV where ANVL will be the lead agency. AVNL is considering engaging a Consultant to provide legal and financial consultancy as well as providing services for JV formation till completion of six months after first board meeting of the JV.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1820847211053539812 ---> IPR stays with AVNL, satisfies the IDDM criteria.

https://x.com/DefSysCI/status/1820832849345278366 ---> India's Armoured Vehicles Nigam Ltd plans to form a JV with Russian firms (ROE & HPC) for manufacture of an Indian Light Tank. ANVL and IOL will have majority stake in the JV. A Sprut-SD design can thus be expected to compete for the Indian Army's need of 295 Light Tanks (Make-I).

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1820837189787300239 ---> AVNL has decades of experience in producing various armoured vehicles. Instead of product iteration, R&D & harnessing its substantial in-house expertise developed over decades, AVNL is back to license production for the market, ignoring it's innate potential for aatmanirbharta.

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1822814789292204440 ---> DRDO VRDE lab-developed Chemical, Biological, Radiological & Nuclear (CBRN) variant of the Wheeled Armoured Platform (WhAP). A second generation with amphibious ops capabilities, compact design, weight reduction, optimized 600 hp diesel engine performance for high-altitude operations, and enhanced protection measures. Crew: 8+3 with weapons.

VIDEO: https://x.com/Duorope/status/1822853955220636016 ---> The CRBN variant of Mahindra DRDO/VRDE WhAP has several improvements over earlier iterations of the WhAP currently in service.

[Neshant]

Lancet kamikazi drone makes first Stryker kill in Ukraine

First armored fighting vehicle to successfully defend against all drone attacks
deserves to win a Nobel prize for innovation.

[Prem Kumar]

Now that we know that the Strykers

1) Don't have amphibious capability (the WhAP does)
2) Are vulnerable to drones

The Army will promptly order Strykers. Then ask DRDO to take all of the tech developed for WhAP, apply it to Strykers and make them overcome their limitations

Order a token 10 WhAPs so that they can claim "We support Atmanirbhar"

Worked with T-90 and Arjun - why not here?

[Pratyush]

https://idrw.org/bemls-indigenous-1500- ... of-trials/

Published on 13th August.

The first round of 1500 hp engine test is completed. The next step is to mount it on an Arjun prototype and run it in the field.

[bala]

DRDO's FICV to be ready in 2-3 years | trials from year end. FICV - Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle.

From Indian Defense Analysis YT Aug 14, 2024:



Tata and Bharat Forge are development partners with DRDO.

[sanjayc]

Taking these top private sector companies as development partners is a great strategy by DRDO. Hope this is done for all projects.

[ashishvikas]

Exclusive: Tata Advanced Systems likely to bag 100 wheeler armor vehicle platform order from Indian Army, say sources

https://www.zeebiz.com/companies/news-e ... 308450/amp

[Pratyush]

Never order beyond 100 in quantity and then whine about indigenous industry not being able to meet requirements.

[Manish_P]

Never order beyond 100 in quantity and then whine about indigenous industry not being able to meet requirements.

They seem to be waiting for the Pak military to get hundreds of Chinese anti-armor drones.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1831587029135847926 ---> Arjun Mk1 commander's sight displays & seat. CC - Old inside out video from DRDO.

[Rakesh]

Indian Army's 60,000 Crore Hunt for Future-Ready Battle Tanks

[Rakesh]

Indian Army's tanks: Can FRCV project redeem failings of Arjun programme?

[ramana]

https://idrw.org/drdos-whap-8x8-apc-sho ... rs-m-atgm/

Can say bye to Stryker

[Prem Kumar]

Yes, a significant upgrade!

Currently, the ATGM/machine gun operator has to expose his head & torso to operate it. Only the 30mm cannon is remotely operated. Hope they come up with a version where the machine gun & the ATGM are also remotely operated

[Manish_P]

Trying to be positive but can't help feel a bit sceptical.

Has the IA shown interest in mix and match projects?

The Arjun turret on T72 comes to mind

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/sriramthg/status/1838913077523169628 ---> After telling DRDO and the private sector to develop a 8-wheeler transport vehicle and indenting only 200, turning around to indent 500 Strykers is a national betrayal. There's no other way to put it. Asking for a 600HP engine (& being ready to pay for it) to be put into it to match the WhAP is just up there with standing on one leg to get the ATHOS instead of buying the Atags.
National security isn't what gun you have. It is about spending finite money for the best results, not shopping like a kid in ToysRUs with dad's credit card.

"We should have the best weapons." No! That's how children think. Best weapons are the ones that let you fight your battles. A war of attrition with China will not be possible if you import systems wholesale. Why is this so hard to understand? Our own post-independence war history is replete with instances of winning with supposedly inferior platforms. Make your own, keep the money within the country, give people business & give them feedback & let them grow & create better products. Do the Russians and Chinese and Americans go out to import?

Why we seem hell bent on importing Stryker & Javelin is beyond any normal understanding. This isn't geopolitical jizya either. This is just straight up hamstringing your own capability. L&T and TASL would kill to come up with an unnamed turret if the army wants one with a 500 unit order. They're doing it for a measley light tank order. Live today to lose tomorrow?

[Rakesh]

^^^^ After reading the above post, now read the below. And to be fair, there have been great strides (click link below), but except in defence. The Govt has utterly failed on Make in India for defence. Piecemeal ordering to stymie the development of local maal and ordering larger quantity of phoren maal serves what purpose exactly?

https://x.com/narendramodi/status/1838816243928961249 ---> Today, we mark #10YearsOfMakeInIndia. I compliment all those who are tirelessly working to make this movement a success over the last decade. ‘Make in India’ illustrates the collective resolve of 140 crore Indians to make our nation a powerhouse of manufacturing and innovation. It’s noteworthy how exports have risen in various sectors, capacities have been built, and thus, the economy has been strengthened. The Government of India is committed to encouraging ‘Make in India’ through all possible ways. India’s strides in reforms will also continue. Together, we will build an Atmanirbhar and Viksit Bharat! @makeinindia

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/18 ... 8115477971 ---> STRYKER Gone Gone Gone.

[vonkabra]

Gains from the diplomatic fallout are visible already:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Gains from the diplomatic fallout are visible already:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... s?from=mdr

At least some good is coming from the fracas. Overall, not bad. It just gives us a tool to beat the Canadians with. In the relations of nations, there should always be some friction. Good bargaining points.

P.S. @VonKabra does JLT, MADSAM and FRAX mean anything special to you?

[vonkabra]

P.S. @VonKabra does JLT, MADSAM and FRAX mean anything special to you?

Yes, an onrush of nostalgia

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/Duorope/status/1846211760262468066 ---> Indian Army T-90S Bhishma with cope cage.

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/18 ... 8115477971 ---> STRYKER Gone Gone Gone.

DRAG & DROP picture into new window for full size.

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1846804749175419018 ---> No forward movement and no decision has been taken on moving the Strykers procurement forward, a sustained campaign has been launched to sell as part of the 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' initiative. Early plans suggested direct purchase of an unspecified number of the vehicles from the Ontario plant, Indian Industry raised issue with MoD.

[Manish_P]

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1846804749175419018 ---> No forward movement and no decision has been taken on moving the Strykers procurement forward, a sustained campaign has been launched to sell as part of the 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' initiative. Early plans suggested direct purchase of an unspecified number of the vehicles from the Ontario plant, Indian Industry raised issue with MoD.
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Canadian elections is just about a year away... our GoI/MoD/Army are quite capable of delaying decision till then... bring on the chai-samosas.

Hopefully Armenia/Gulf/Africa might engage with our private corporations and give them orders....

[S_Madhukar]

That Stryker looks like a juicy Big Mac, anything left to pile on ?? A wheeled Bradley like from that movie Pentagon Wars. India version will be sleek with all the high tech stuff denied !

[srai]

SP's Land Forces > current issue 3, 2024

The Future of MBTs

Battlefield of tomorrow will be transformed by the rise of the Man-Machine Alliance as Artificial Intelligence enhances the capabilities of MBT crews by improving situational awareness, automating routine tasks, and facilitating faster decision-making

AVNL — Powering Battlefield Vehicles Through Indigenisation

Armoured Vehicles Nigam Limited (AVNL) is planning to achieve 100 per cent indigenisation progressively by December 2025 to eliminate dependency on foreign sources for defence equipment

Combat Transportation & Fire Power

The Indian Army plans to augment its armoured mobility through a two-pronged approach, by inducting Stryker Infantry Combat Vehicles (ICVs) co-developed with the US under ‘Make in India’, and by using indigenously designed and developed ICVs by the DRDO in collaboration with indigenous private industry

Light Tank Zorawar: A Grandeur Effort on Indigenous MilTech Collaboration; Trials to Prove

The unfolding of Light Tank Zorawar is certainly a milestone for indigenous military technology collaboration, especially with a domestic private entity (L&T) backed up by DRDO. The light tank now in the final stage, will prove some of the complex demonstration and firepower at high altitude areas. Along with this, it must also attempt to surpass the Chinese light tank, ZTQ-15 in its objective, showing technical prowess.

[Rakesh]

VIDEO: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1848741218894712859 --> T-90 of Indian Army in action with cope cage. The Indian Army’s integrated fire and manoeuvre training exercise, Swavlamban.

[Manish_P]

Should have added words like 'Made in India - Counter Drone Cage'

PS - inspired by Admiral sirs 'Elaichi Souffle', I would humbly like to propose 'Lohey ka Sehra' nickname for this

[S_Madhukar]

Saar we always had a chhatri on tanks turrets when RM or PM were given a tour. We were ahead of the curve with CMs even before drones

[Manish_P]

Saar we always had a chhatri on tanks turrets when RM or PM were given a tour. We were ahead of the curve with CMs even before drones

If you look at it in a way it dates back to medieval times when we had chhatri to cover the tops of the howdah seats on elephants (the original main battle tanks)... protection from the sun and rain.

And maybe bird droppings..

[sanman]

New Indian Tank Resembles Russian Armata

[uddu]

CVRDE and Ashok Leyland 600hp Engine Set for Testing on WhAP 8x8 Armoured Platform
https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1852179723264385028
https://idrw.org/cvrde-and-ashok-leylan ... -platform/

[Rakesh]

https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1851962839843639600 ---> Moroccan Army officially confirms that India's WhAP AFVs completely outperformed Chinese Type-08 AFVs during rigorous trials.

https://x.com/btarunr/status/1852037764361130286 ---> Indian Army had stiffer requirements than PLA, like for example, it should have an in-built US Visa printer for their kids. Which is why they chose Stryker over it.

https://x.com/singhshwetabh71/status/18 ... 8173602912 ---> English Translation.

[Manish_P]

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https://x.com/btarunr/status/1852037764361130286 ---> Indian Army had stiffer requirements than PLA, like for example, it should have an in-built US Visa printer for their kids. Which is why they chose Stryker over it.
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Thank you Admiral sa'ab for making me spill very hot coffee and burn myself

[S_Madhukar]

So IA young officers do the hard work of creating requirements, doing the hard work only for making a ready made spec for our adversary to be aware of. This is knowledge theft at so many levels without benefiting us since we don’t order enough and settle for substandard. Hitch yourself to a fat gori when a svelte desi is available! Definitely sounds like an older generation thinking.

[Kartik]

Zorawar light tank heads to Ladakh for month long testing

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