Modi 3.0 - Bharat

[Cyrano]

I am worried about Mohan Bhagwat + Togadia + NG + MotaBhai working against Modi sarkar.
Motabhai does not want Starlink entry into India.

With all the natsec problems we have Starlink is the last thing we need

[chetak]

One More Partition of India (Short Essay)

How violence in Manipur, Resurgence in Myanmar and Regime change in Bangladesh all events are connected

CIA is working on a secret project of a new country.
This country will be formed by carving out following areas
1. Part of Chittagong Division including Bandarban district of Bangladesh (10% Christian)
2. Mizoram and half of Manipur of India (90% Christian)
3. Chin State of Myanmar (91% Christian)

New statement of Mizoram CM Lalduhoma has exposed Deep State’s agenda. This statement was given on 3rd Sep when he was on USA visit. Where he demanded a separate country for Christianity following Kuki, Mizo, Naga, Chin, Zo tribes

It has also confirmed that CIA is behind the violence in Manipur and Christinification of North East India

Earlier Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina also told that CIA is planning on a separate Christian country by taking out part of Bangladesh, India and Myanmar and she was removed only for this reason

In a planned manner, full freedom was given by missionaries NGOs to work in North East by previous Congress govt. These NGOs successfully converted Hindu tribes into Christians

Now CIA has activated next phase of plan and that is demand of separate countries for Christians

In my previous thread - I have already exposed link between CIA, Global Drug mafia and Vatican (Operation Gladio)

- CIA manage logistics
- Drug mafia generates money
- Vatican convert this black money into white money in Vatican Bank
- CIA use this white money for its regime change operations

This proposed new country will be very strategic for Deep State coz its one of the biggest drugs producer area of the world and it will also give presence to deep State in bay of Bengal

[chetak]

This was the exact statement of Mizoram CM

"I want us to have the conviction and confidence that one day, through the strength of God, who made us a nation, we will rise together under one leadership to achieve our destiny of nationhood.

While a country may have borders, a true nation transcends such limitations.

We have been unjustly divided and forced to exist under three different governments in three different countries, and this is something we can never accept.

We are fortunate that we are still connected through our lands and that there are no pretenders to insert themselves in our midst and cause division – this truly is a blessing from God"

Post independence had nehru not allowed the christiam missionaries to work exclusively in North East, this could have never happened.

and the deep state would never have reached this point

there is clear evidence of treacherous collusion and calumny. It's also why they call it the missionary position

with such a preplanned and long term appeasement of the abrahamics, it will be difficult but not impossible to retrace some steps and jettison the BIF implanted ideas of sickularism and the very concept of minorities as forced upon the hapless Hindus.

It's high time they Bharat should rethink about the FREEDOM TO PREACH ANY RELIGION.

Time for some amendments in the CONSTITUTION

It's time to open some texts in HON'BLE COURTS , mistakes made by vested interest "elders" must be rectified

These sorts of CONVERSIONS are all DIVIDING BHARAT from the inside

[chetak]

BIG After MUDA Scam Now allegation of ₹ 700cr Liquor SCAM In Congress ruled Karnataka!!

KARNATAKA WINE MERCHANTS BODY ACCUSES EXCISE MINISTER RB THIMMAPUR OF TAKING BRIBES

Letter states bribery and corruption for transfers and issuing bar licences*

In the last one year, 1,000 illegal licences were given by the excise minister, amounting to Rs 300-700 crore in corruption*, the letter has claimed.






https://www.indiatoday.in/india/karnata ... 2024-11-05

[shravanp]

This was the exact statement of Mizoram CM

"I want us to have the conviction and confidence that one day, through the strength of God, who made us a nation, we will rise together under one leadership to achieve our destiny of nationhood.

While a country may have borders, a true nation transcends such limitations.

We have been unjustly divided and forced to exist under three different governments in three different countries, and this is something we can never accept.

We are fortunate that we are still connected through our lands and that there are no pretenders to insert themselves in our midst and cause division – this truly is a blessing from God"

Post independence had nehru not allowed the christiam missionaries to work exclusively in North East, this could have never happened.

and the deep state would never have reached this point

there is clear evidence of treacherous collusion and calumny. It's also why they call it the missionary position

with such a preplanned and long term appeasement of the abrahamics, it will be difficult but not impossible to retrace some steps and jettison the BIF implanted ideas of sickularism and the very concept of minorities as forced upon the hapless Hindus.

It's high time they Bharat should rethink about the FREEDOM TO PREACH ANY RELIGION.

Time for some amendments in the CONSTITUTION

It's time to open some texts in HON'BLE COURTS , mistakes made by vested interest "elders" must be rectified

These sorts of CONVERSIONS are all DIVIDING BHARAT from the inside

It is done and dusted. BJP's rise came a bit too late, and damage has already been done beyond repair in North East. If a new country has to be formed in North East then it is a matter of when and not why.

[chetak]

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gbl-1G_XQAA ... =large[img]


It is done and dusted. BJP's rise came a bit too late, and damage has already been done beyond repair in North East. If a new country has to be formed in North East then it is a matter of when and not why.

shravanp ji,

Consider the facts that emerged after the very recent visit of that racist and master race dolt olaf scholz and the pet pit bull, the slobbering and straining at the leash annalena baerbock, whose distaste for India and Indians is well known, is not just a happy coincidence but a critical deep state bid, as well as, a high level warning to get India to back off from supporting russia.

everything that these racist clowns offered India was conditional upon India abandoning russia. We should remember that it is germany that has paid the biggest price for the deep state's war against russia, it has tanked their economy and lowered overall their quality of national life. And yet, there he was, hat in hand, primarily come to probe, read (and report) India's intentions at first hand

The détente with xi, the rapid rise of the BRICS and the numbers of disregarded and isolated countries jostling to gain membership of the BRICS and the realpolitik geopolitical, geo-economic and existential threat posed to their hitherto once cosy club of white abrahamics has set the cat among the pigeons, upturning their carefully ordered "rule of law" which has severely rattled them, especially when, for the longest time, the white abrahamics have been writing and rewriting at their own sweet will these "laws", as and when it suits them to manage the pecking order on the global arena and unilaterally use illegal sanctions to subdue and subvert countries outside their exclusive club so as to bend such outliers to their own jaundiced will

The damage done in the NE is not beyond repair. If it were, they would not have made such a rash move in beediland and also they would not be so very eager to bring the dimwit in.

Modi ji's rapprochement, (for the lack of a better word) with xi, however temporary or fleeting it may, and it's effect on the global order "rule of law" myth has pushed the gora deep state gang onto the backfoot. The proposal for local currency trade between the BRICS members is dollar threatening, a situation that has pleased all of europe, africa, the gulf region and two members of the UNSC and that benighted isle of the britshits


One is taking the liberty of putting together a limited and random collection of thoughts garnered from one's wanderings on the net.

The ‘divide-and-rule’ imperative was deeply ingrained in the british psyche. It was even evident in their withdrawal from India in the form of the creation of pakistan. A Crown Colony in the NE was very much a possibility - a small nation sharing borders with India, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Tibet and Myanmar.

It would have been financially unviable, fractured on tribal lines, and poorly administered once the British administrators left for greener pastures. Just imagine Naga, Mizo, Kuki, Meitei, Garo, Kachin and Chin insurgencies raging in small land-locked country.

A relapse into India and Burma was eventually possible, albeit with much turmoil and a setback to the idea of a plural India. Thankfully, the borders remained where they were.

All Crown Colonies were renamed as British Dependent Territories in 1981 and since 2002, Crown Colonies have been known officially as British Overseas Territories.

India just missed having one British Overseas Territory on its eastern periphery.

Why is a law-abiding, hard-working, educated, high tax-paying immigrant community repeatedly sidelined without consequence? And it’s not just Canada - similar patterns emerge in the UK and the US as well.

Perhaps it’s time for those who left the mother-country in search of better opportunities to take another look at India, where we’ve finally awakened to this reality.

It’s clear that simply working hard, paying taxes, educating children, and keeping one’s head down isn’t enough. It’s imperative to be heard. To be valued.

Those who took us for granted for decades, perpetuating a prejudice rooted in centuries, are now being compelled to acknowledge our presence.

They’re learning to cope with our visibility. Because we, too, are beginning to grasp the power we hold - an inherent strength that we rarely asserted before.

There’s no veto like street veto. And those who engage in it typically have time on their hands, which most Hindus do not. They are typically hard working, individualistic economic migrants. Because of this characteristic, their sense of community is limited, and with that, so is their lobbying power. That Hinduism is organizationally decentralized does not help either.

Hindus are generally seen as high earning second class citizens. Many belong to the managerial class and are therefore risk averse. The ones in business are focused on making money. The objective is to fit in and move on in life.

Apolitical, their activism tends to be localized if they participate in any form of it at all. Sticking up for one’s community figures very low down the priority list.

The importance of Swayambodh and Shatrubodh - an exercise yet to be undertaken by the Hindu Community has not been understood by our civilization. The good news is that many in deep slumber have awakened and Yogi ji's "'Batenge to Katenge" narrative, is not only a game changer but it has also resonated widely and is beginning to stir the very soul of the civilization at a primordial level

The US in particular incentivizes those who belong to a “majority” community in their home country to actively disassociate from their roots. This is how one proves allegiance to their country of adoption, a country that was founded on rejecting the Old World. Canada is cut from the same cloth, although it differs on the margins.

[bala]

One is taking the liberty of putting together a limited and random collection of thoughts garnered from one's wanderings on the net.

Chetak saar that is one hell of a researched article from you! Some more verbiage/polish and it can be taught in schools as "actual history" compared to the rubbish being taught.

[KL Dubey]

The damage done in the NE is not beyond repair. If it were, they would not have made such a rash move in beediland and also they would not be so very eager to bring the dimwit in.

I fully agree that such attempts, if they are real, are not hard to shut down. There will never be any such fantastical "Xtian country".

However, I think a harder look at the situation may be helpful, this whole debate seems to have been spurred by a speech made by the Mizoram CM.

Now it seems there is more context here, please read this carefully:

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/spoke-o ... al-6944305

He gave two speeches. The first was on Sep 2, in which he claimed that India could unite the Zo people by annexing districts of Myanmar and Beediland.

https://dipr.mizoram.gov.in/post/speech ... sa-2092024

"..The main objective of [the] ZORO Movement in 1988 was Zo-Reunification within India. Can the 'Zo' people in India, Burma and Bangladesh today, aspire to be re-united under India? Looking at the geopolitical realities of our time, it may not be so farfetched to think this could be a possibility one day. Perhaps, fate has this reunification in store for us in the future..."

He then rehashed similar themes in the Sep 4 speech:

https://dipr.mizoram.gov.in/post/speech ... sa-4092024

The Bharat sarkar seems to be supportive of this CM, especially the handling of the refugees. Lalduhoma has served for a long time in Bharat sarkar, and graduated from civil services training along with EAM Jaishankar.

And here is a local Mizo perspective: https://www.eastmojo.com/opinion/2024/1 ... heres-why/

Lalduhoma himself, according to many Mizo commentators, represents a more moderate stance within Mizo politics, blending Indian nationalism with a sense of Zo identity. He’s a leader who has often spoken about finding a place for Mizo identity within the Indian framework.

Something is certainly brewing. But I think knee-jerk interpretations are unadvisable. It is possible the USA (incl. CIA) is trying to orchestrate a breakaway country/region. But people like Lalduhoma appear to represent the strong hold of the Indian system in the region.

[chetak]

The damage done in the NE is not beyond repair. If it were, they would not have made such a rash move in beediland and also they would not be so very eager to bring the dimwit in.

I fully agree that such attempts, if they are real, are not hard to shut down. There will never be any such fantastical "Xtian country".

However, I think a harder look at the situation may be helpful, this whole debate seems to have been spurred by a speech made by the Mizoram CM.

Now it seems there is more context here, please read this carefully:

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/spoke-o ... al-6944305

He gave two speeches. The first was on Sep 2, in which he claimed that India could unite the Zo people by annexing districts of Myanmar and Beediland.

https://dipr.mizoram.gov.in/post/speech ... sa-2092024

"..The main objective of [the] ZORO Movement in 1988 was Zo-Reunification within India. Can the 'Zo' people in India, Burma and Bangladesh today, aspire to be re-united under India? Looking at the geopolitical realities of our time, it may not be so farfetched to think this could be a possibility one day. Perhaps, fate has this reunification in store for us in the future..."

He then rehashed similar themes in the Sep 4 speech:

https://dipr.mizoram.gov.in/post/speech ... sa-4092024

The Bharat sarkar seems to be supportive of this CM, especially the handling of the refugees. Lalduhoma has served for a long time in Bharat sarkar, and graduated from civil services training along with EAM Jaishankar.

And here is a local Mizo perspective: https://www.eastmojo.com/opinion/2024/1 ... heres-why/

Lalduhoma himself, according to many Mizo commentators, represents a more moderate stance within Mizo politics, blending Indian nationalism with a sense of Zo identity. He’s a leader who has often spoken about finding a place for Mizo identity within the Indian framework.

Something is certainly brewing. But I think knee-jerk interpretations are unadvisable. It is possible the USA (incl. CIA) is trying to orchestrate a breakaway country/region. But people like Lalduhoma appear to represent the strong hold of the Indian system in the region.

Dubey ji,


There was absolutely no need for lalduhoma to make any separatist speeches at all, especially not outside of India and that too in the US which has declared geopolitical and socioreligious interests in the region since 1947. This is treason, plain and simple

Was he extending an invitation or was he pleading for intervention or what ...

The beedi PM hasina had warned India about the interests of the deep state to carve out a xtian state in the region and Indian territory was also mentioned as an integral part of the idea. what is such a (landlocked ?) xtian state good for in such a drug infested geography so very conveniently close to the golden triangle and already a major drug trafficking route for narcotics emanating out of afghanistan and pukestan

It's a very serious attempt to balkanize India and encourage separatist and secessionist tendencies ....

BTW, the two other sovereign states, apart from India, whose lands he is also partially claiming to establish a homeland state or country for chin-kuki-zo people as he calls it, are they expected to meekly and quietly acquiesce to such a divisive plan and give up their territory in a spirit of goodwill and bonhomie ... , and what happens if some other "tribes" also come up with the same idea and make a grab for more of other people's lands to establish a convenient homeland for themselves too

abrahamic desert cults are all the same because ethnic cleansing, genocide, and exclusive dominance are a part of their civilizational modus operandi and socioreligious SOP.

what did the amrikis or the aussies or the canucks or the kiwis do when faced with a similar situation, didn't they simply wipe out the native civilizations without so much as a by your leave ...

or even more recently, what did the pakis do to their Hindu and xtian minorities, and what are the beedis doing today to their Hindu minorities .... it's all to a set pattern that was established eons ago. In India they vociferously demand and get constitutional protection for the religions and cultural practises but deny the very same rights to others who have been forced to live amongst them





here is the official version of the speech

There is no mistaking either the intent or the content of his assertions and convictions












vi@WA

With all due respect to the chair of Chief Minister of Mizoram @CMOMizoram. I found a release of the speech of Mr Lalduhoma in Indianapolis, USA on Sept 4th 2024 on the Directorate of Information & Public Relations, Mizoram website. It is this content of his speech that needs to be explained because it raises some serious questions:

“As I approach the end of my speech, I want to let everyone here know that the primary reason I accepted the invitation to visit the United States is to seek a path towards unity for all of us. We are one people—brothers and sisters—and we cannot afford to be divided or apart from one another. I want us to have the conviction and confidence that one day, through the strength of God, who made us a nation, we will rise together under one leadership to achieve our destiny of nationhood. While a country may have borders, a true nation transcends such limitations. We have been unjustly divided, forced to exist under three different governments in three different countries, and this is something we can never accept.”

1. Would appreciate if the CM can throw light on this part of his statement on ‘destiny of nationhood’. What does he mean by it?

2. Which nation are you referring to because Mizoram and Manipur are an integral part of India?

3. There are speculations in intelligence circles in India and out of India of a another nation, predominantly a Christian nation, being planned comprising of the Chin-Kuki-Zo tribes from Bangladesh, Myanmar and Northeast India. Is your statement based on those lines of thoughts?

4. Why did the CM decide to speak about destiny of nationhood of the Chin-Kuki-Zo people in the US. Is that the plan of the Chin-Kuki-Zo to get assistance from the US to realise this separation?

[S_Madhukar]

What’s the risk that this is a 2 faced moderate ? Step 1 include 3 regions into Bharat for the union of all tribes and then build a unified church only to secede ? Why can’t they all just pack up and go to their Yankee fatherland instead via the MX border ? I see a lot of NE people these days in US and most of them are not FANG alumni so what gives ? Seen Nepali and Bhutanis in large numbers too , a plan for the future ? NE get scholarships to Japanese universities too , looks like everyone wants a piece of our population

[chetak]

What’s the risk that this is a 2 faced moderate ? Step 1 include 3 regions into Bharat for the union of all tribes and then build a unified church only to secede ? Why can’t they all just pack up and go to their Yankee fatherland instead via the MX border ? I see a lot of NE people these days in US and most of them are not FANG alumni so what gives ? Seen Nepali and Bhutanis in large numbers too , a plan for the future ? NE get scholarships to Japanese universities too , looks like everyone wants a piece of our population

Madhukar ji,


guys like this snake oil salesman lalduhoma fellow are not only duplicitous and sanctimonious but also hypocritical and fraudulent.

[KL Dubey]

However, bharat sarkar is not worried. These speeches are two months old. Wait and watch.

[chetak]

However, bharat sarkar is not worried. These speeches are two months old. Wait and watch.

Dubey ji,


this so called "CM" is publicly opposing the completion of the boundary fencing at India's international border. In actual fact this is the biggest NATSEC issue in this region and the fencing needs to be completed urgently

It matters not a fig whose classmate he was

he is a clear and present danger to India's interests

with lalduhoma, just like khujliwal and dimwit, there is no smoke without the BIF fire

[chetak]

This has been the Number 1 agenda of the USA since more than a decade now...

To carve out a Christian country out of North East India, Bangladesh, and Myanmar with a base in the Bay of Bengal just like they did in East Timur!

That's the reason for keeping Manipur burning and destabilizing Bangladesh!!

The ruling party and the opposition party in Mizoram both support this openly, and there is a dedicated committee that works for this project!!!

More details:

https://swarajyamag.com/amp/story/world ... ore-ouster

[KL Dubey]

We are on the same side. You're welcome to vent, but it has no effect. Bharat sarkar does not work that way. The personal relationships and connections matter in the big leagues. Posturing is for public consumption.

Somebody made a speech viral after 2 months, creating some outrage among people who have lots of free time. The same speeches are posted on GOI website (i linked those).

As of now, i consider Lalduhoma as very much in the Indian column. I know several civil servants from Kuki community, they are very much Indian. I would say their concept of "nation" is different from "country", somewhat like the native americans of USA.

Whosoever is thinking of carving out new countries using Indian states is wasting their time.

[Cyrano]

Hope someone investigates this fellow's money trail and where his kith and kin are settled.

[chetak]

[KL Dubey]

I am not running the show in mizoram. If this is just anonymous venting timepass, then its fine. If serious, inform Modi, Shah, and Jaishankar on X that they are fools.

[chetak]

I am not running the show in mizoram. If this is just anonymous venting timepass, then its fine. If serious, inform Modi, Shah, and Jaishankar on X that they are fools.

dubey ji, it would indeed be very surprising if MAD did not already know.

The very fact that MAD have played the manipur issue on the low key, despite agent provocateurs gunning for them to "visit" manipur should tell you a lot. Per people in the know, there are outsiders deployed in those troubled areas with long guns + telescopic sights

as usual, in matters that concern the BIF, the woke Indian sold out press is shy to report on such matters

this was not a matter that was discussed here so far, so all one did was get the topic out into the open on this forum

Of course, anyone here can see that you not running the show in mizoram.

[hanumadu]

The inclusion of BD areas is a fig leaf of an excuse for providing sea connectivity. How many zo's are there in that BD patch to be incuded in this new country. What is the population of muslims vs zo in that territory? They will have the zo's for breakfast.

[chetak]

The inclusion of BD areas is a fig leaf of an excuse for providing sea connectivity. How many zo's are there in that BD patch to be incuded in this new country. What is the population of muslims vs zo in that territory? They will have the zo's for breakfast.

hanumadu ji,

that is the whole point of their little deceptive game.

That is the site of the much sought after amriki naval base

and this base is very specific in being India centric, to keep their beady eye on Bharat

[chetak]

Rare footage of sampoorna swaraj

[chetak]

Mizoram CM PU Lalduhoma gives a call during the US tour for a united Chin-Kuki-Zo Nation, while appealing for unity among culturally linked tribes across India, Bangladesh, & Myanmar.


WATCH VIDEO

[isubodh]

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hanumadu ji,

that is the whole point of their little deceptive game.

That is the site of the much sought after amriki naval base

and this base is very specific in being India centric, to keep their beady eye on Bharat

But that base US could easily get by paying any regime in BD. Why such long plan.
If US need a base to watch India why are they signing maintenance n repair agreements like SOSA with India . They could very well base in Indian docks.
To watch India Pak would allocate all what's needed why BD.

[Cyrano]

Perhaps multiple factors are at play. BRICS and India's uncomplexed relationship with Russia have made the US jittery.

Perhaps the current state department saw the Dems defeat coming and dusted long prepared regime change plans and set them off before the leadership changes. They did this in Thailand, Georgia, Moldova, BD (Donald Wu visited BD just a few months before the coup).

Whatever the reasons might be, US hand is undeniable. The base on Martin's Island may be useful to monitor our missile tests, the development of our bases in A&C and our N subs. We can cancel contracts but can't evict them from an island once they occupy it.

They thought "Hasina maan jayegi" but she didn't and paid a heavy price though her motives aren't fully clear.

If we are discussing this obviously our govt and agencies are more than aware of a lot more. That we don't see public statements and visible action doesn't mean nothing is happening. I've learnt to be patient and trust this govt's timing and discretion when it acts.

[Vayutuvan]

hanumadu ji,
that is the whole point of their little deceptive game.
That is the site of the much sought after amriki naval base
and this base is very specific in being India centric, to keep their beady eye on Bharat

Some naive academics sitting in ivory towers are missing the point of the call by the Mizoram CM.

This is the very first move of long strategic play. Just like what happened with in BD with Yunus.

1. A biddable fool is roped in to say that India should make incursions and grab land from BD and Myanmar. As of now, India and Myanmar are not at loggerheads. But this will immediately sour India's relations with Myanmar.

2. BD peacefool "students" will become fully peaceful and start protests all over BD and elsewhere in the world. They say Modi is an expansionist.

3. In time , this fool CM will be sidelined by the SDOTUS. Replacement will ask for separate country carved out of territories in India, BD, and Myanmar.

4. India, Myanmar, and BD will start fighting with each other while the US pushes arms into Mizoram via Myanmar/BD. They will sell weapons to India - drones, NVGs, and other COIN stuff and more.

Just like what happened in Kashmir. Where they made Pakis say they want the entire Kashmir. But they also put in place folks who keep saying that Kashmir doesn't want to join either of the countries. They want their own. Same template had been used in Balkans, Georgia, Iran/Iraq 7 year war, ...

[Vayutuvan]

I am not running the show in mizoram.

...
Of course, anyone here can see that you not running the show in mizoram.

[Vayutuvan]

Rare footage of sampoorna swaraj
[img...]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbokEGgXcAA ... name=large[/img]

Chetak gaaru, do you remember Medha Patkar's reply when she was asked about Keriwal's corruption? "Itna thoda kuch to hota hai". This was right after our man became CM of Delhi the first time around.

"itna thoda kuch to sab khhate hain jee. sab mile hue hain jee"

[Vayutuvan]

But that base US could easily get by paying any regime in BD. Why such long plan.

Saaru, a small separate xtist country is perfect for their needs. Just like Georgia. BD is peaceful and can go out of control on dime just like what happened in Iran.

[Vayutuvan]

They thought "Hasina maan jayegi" but she didn't and paid a heavy price though her motives aren't fully clear.

Cyrano gaaru, do you remember a panel discussion in Germany where the then BD ambassador to Germany was in the audience and asked the US person on the stage? Dr. SJ was also asked to weigh in? The question was about funding infra development in BD. The US (woman IIRC) person said "Why are you asking us? We are far away from where you are". SJ's quip was "He thinks you have the money".

I think maam Hasina wanted no-strings attached development loans. US said we want a base. She went to China and she got a no. After that, all hell broke lose.

[ernest]

Chetakji, you've done a great job highlighting the brewing problems in NE, and the various long term agendas in motion. The amount of US thought control on Christian majority NE is another level. They have cultivated assets, and shaped culture over decades to have a sizeable population that thinks along the lines dictated by US 3 letter agencies /DS. Indian nationalists have to take up decades long cultural relinking.

I remember Col Hunny Bakshi recalling ipods with separatist songs being distributed in Punjab in 2000s. The fruits of that investment is being harvested now. Similar cultural investments have been made in NE to create detachment from Indian identity. We will have to navigate this very carefully, else we will have the situation described by Vayutuvan ji at hands very quickly.

This is the very first move of long strategic play. Just like what happened with in BD with Yunus.

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Excellently explained

[chetak]

However, bharat sarkar is not worried. These speeches are two months old. Wait and watch.

Dubey ji,

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/spoke-o ... al-6944305

Spoke Of Unity Under India: Sources On Mizoram Chief Minister's Viral Speech

Mizoram Chief Minister Lalduhoma gave the speech in Indianapolis on September 4, where he said his people have been "unjustly divided." It is this September 4 speech -- not the September 2 one delivered in Maryland - which triggered a massive controversy

the sept 2 "speech" that lalduhoma gave in India where he spoke of "reunification under India" was diametrically opposite to the sept 4 "speech" that he gave in the US where he spoke of "nationhood" and how they would "occupy their lands" that was divided across three countries.

he is a two faced creep speaking with a forked tongue, a classic BIF maneuver and a tactical stratagem commonly employed by separatists



Mizoram CM PU Lalduhoma gives a call during the US tour for a united Chin-Kuki-Zo Nation, while appealing for unity among culturally linked tribes across India, Bangladesh, & Myanmar.


WATCH VIDEO

[KL Dubey]

First, is it possible to avoid bolding and red-texting the entire posts ? People can read, one doesn't have to come on too strong.

Second, let's state the obvious. The very fact that northeast India has been steadily undergoing demographic and religious change, and many internecine conflicts, over 100+ years - is ample evidence that BIFs (internal and external) are at play. Nothing new there. The latest Manipur unrest had the same ingredients (tribal rivalry, egged on by BIFs). But it is not separatist in nature, on the other hand it is two tribal groups vying for greater favor with the bharat sarkar.

Third, I made a specific point: Situation in NE India be what it may, I do not think the mizoram CM is a separatist, but he is certainly (like many NE indigenous people) a tribalist - with religious identity also superimposed. I say this based on looking through the recent events, speeches, his background and career. He is loyal to India, but has tribalist fantasies of expanding Mizoram by annexing parts of Myanmar and Beediland. His view is that the British drew the Indian borders cunningly to divide his tribe, and he thinks that should change.

Also see this: https://www.eastmojo.com/mizoram/2024/0 ... -minister/

He thinks "greater mizoram" should be a project directed by bharat sarkar and is consistent with "akhand bharat".

Such things are not going to happen any time soon (and definitely will not be tolerated if external forces try to establish a "new country"). India does not have any immediate plan of redrawing these borders through military action or negotiation. Pradyot in Tripura has similar fantasies of carving out "greater tipra" including territory of other states and Beediland.

As an analogy, think of a people like the Baloch, who have the same complaint of being "split" between three different countries. Think through the scenarios, and estimate how realistic it would be to create a politically unified Baloch nation using terrority of Packeeland, Tallyboneeland, and Ayatolland.

Hope this helps.

[chetak]

First, is it possible to avoid bolding and red-texting the entire posts ? People can read, one doesn't have to come on too strong.

Second, let's state the obvious. The very fact that northeast India has been steadily undergoing demographic and religious change, and many internecine conflicts, over 100+ years - is ample evidence that BIFs (internal and external) are at play. Nothing new there. The latest Manipur unrest had the same ingredients (tribal rivalry, egged on by BIFs). But it is not separatist in nature, on the other hand it is two tribal groups vying for greater favor with the bharat sarkar.

Third, I made a specific point: Situation in NE India be what it may, I do not think the mizoram CM is a separatist, but he is certainly (like many NE indigenous people) a tribalist - with religious identity also superimposed. I say this based on looking through the recent events, speeches, his background and career. He is loyal to India, but has tribalist fantasies of expanding Mizoram by annexing parts of Myanmar and Beediland. His view is that the British drew the Indian borders cunningly to divide his tribe, and he thinks that should change.

Such things are not going to happen (and definitely will not be tolerated if external forces try to establish a "new country"). And India does not have any immediate plan of redrawing these borders through military action or negotiation. Pradyot in Tripura has similar fantasies of carving out "greater tipra" including territory of other states and Beediland.

As an analogy, think of a people like the Baloch, who have the same complaint of being "split" between three different countries. Think through the scenarios, and estimate how realistic it would be to create a politically unified Baloch nation using terrority of Packeeland, Tallyboneeland, and Ayatolland.

Hope this helps.

Dubey ji,

no, it certainly does not

think east timor and how it was forcefully wrested away to form a separate xtian state. There was no talk of democracy, rule of law, sovereignty, state integrity, or freedom. Those culprits are well known.

try and understand why the amrikis have "entered" beediland and the footprints they have made there are unmistakably from combat boots

providing cover fire for a treasonous clown because he was Jaishankar's "class mate" or another treacherous clown in tripura because he loves square dancing or something is not the way to go, not in 2024

This may well be a percussor to another partition for all we know.

But today, it's a new ball game. This is the loss of Hindu innocence, even naivete. Now we have Shatrubodha. A heightened awareness. A leader and each other. And we say "Never again!"!

and quoting from a ideologically diseased "news channel" like rundeeteevee and their moolah tainted gang of presstitutes without accounting for the BIF spin may not be so credible or even reliable.

of course, YMMV

[KL Dubey]

Again, this discussion started from a good post you made, but seems to have gone downhill...in the absence of any cohesive issue, the final resort seems to be always a rhetorical appeal with no basis ("you quoted XYZ, who is a diseased person/entity") instead of looking at the substance of the viewpoint.

NDTV is owned mainly by Adani group for a while now. Gautam is the chairman. The "presstitutes" formerly there are long gone.

[chetak]

Again, this discussion started from a good post you made, but seems to have gone downhill...in the absence of any cohesive issue, the final resort seems to be always a rhetorical appeal with no basis ("you quoted XYZ, who is a diseased person/entity") instead of looking at the substance of the viewpoint.

NDTV is owned mainly by Adani group for a while now. Gautam is the chairman. The "presstitutes" formerly there are long gone.

Dubey ji,


adani has changed nothing. He does not exercise editorial authority or control, directly or even indirectly because he simply cannot afford to be seen doing so. rundeeteevee is less than pocket change for him

Many of the scum are still there (rozi roti) because they will not be hired by any other channel and even sriniv@$@n j@in could onlee manage a "job" in a $hit house like al j@@zer@

It would be too politically damaging for adani to be seen as interfering and doctoring the news like many of the other owners openly do. Many presstitutes across the world are gunning for him and why would he risk it

But then, other owners in India do not run businesses on a global scale like adani and neither are they counted among the very top of world's richest billionaire$

has anyone forgotten the time when @NDTV threw a private party at Rashtrapati Bhawan treating it like a tent house & the President of India was thrown in for free.

those days are gone for ever now but they did exist at during the congi regime

This is a nationalist govt and big shots in m@n!pur and tr!pur@ will be sorted out, no matter whose class mates they were

[chetak]

CBI probe initiated on Rahul Gandhi citizenship issue, Delhi HC told

Nov 06 2024

The Delhi High Court was informed on Wednesday that a CBI probe had been initiated into Congress leader Rahul Gandhi's citizenship on a PIL being heard by the Allahabad High Court.

When the petitioner, a Karnataka BJP worker, said he had moved a PIL in the Allahabad High Court, a bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela said it didn't want any conflicting orders to be passed.

There cannot be two parallel petitions on the same cause of action, said the bench, permitting S Vignesh Shishir to file an affidavit on the relevant developments following his PIL in the Allahabad High Court.


The matter before the Delhi High Court was on a plea by BJP leader Subramanian Swamy who sought directions to the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) to decide his representation seeking cancellation of Gandhi's Indian citizenship.

Swamy, in his plea, also sought a direction to the MHA to furnish a status report on the representation filed by him against Gandhi, the Leader of the Opposition in the Lok Sabha.

While Swamy maintained that the matter before the Allahabad High Court had nothing to do with his case and the prayers were totally different, Shishir claimed Swamy's plea had led to multiplicity and parallel proceedings.

The court asked Shishir to file an application for impleadment in the petition before it and listed the matter on December 6.

During the hearing, Shishir submitted his petition was last heard by the Allahabad High Court on October 24 and the matter under investigation by the CBI.

According to Shishir, as the matter before the Allahabad High Court was at a "very advanced stage".

"I also appeared before the CBI in this case and tendered my very confidential evidence with regard to this matter. The matter is currently under investigation by the CBI," he submitted.

"Various investigating agencies of the country are conducting the investigation. I have given my objections to the Delhi High Court registrar through an email," added Shishir.

The bench subsequently remarked that the documents were required to be filed through the court registry and not an email.

Swamy differentiated between the two petitions, submitting while Shishir's plea sought initiation of criminal prosecution, his petition only said Gandhi was not a citizen of India but a "citizen of Britain".

"Don't be parasitical and say the prayers are similar and hang on to us. It is clear he cannot be a citizen of two countries, we have proved it through the documents where he claims to be a citizen of Britain as well as of India," Swamy contended.

The bench, however, noted, "The prayers in that petition are too wide. So let him (Shishir) file the documents which he wants."

Following a previous Delhi High Court order, Swamy had filed a copy of the petition pending before the Allahabad High Court on the issue of Gandhi's citizenship.

Swamy's plea, filed by advocate Satya Sabharwal, said on August 6, 2019, a letter was sent to the ministry alleging Gandhi had "voluntarily disclosed" to the British government that he was a citizen of British nationality, amounting to holding a British passport.

Earlier, the Lucknow bench of the Allahabad High Court had asked the Centre whether it had taken any decision on Shishir's representation filed under the Citizenship Act, 1955, asking it to inquire into the allegations.

Shishir claimed he had conducted "detailed enquiries" into Gandhi being a British citizen and received several new inputs.

Swamy, on the other hand, claimed the Congress leader, being an Indian citizen, violated Article 9 of the Constitution, read with the Indian Citizenship Act, and would cease to be an Indian citizen

He said he had sent many representations to the ministry inquiring about the status of his complaint but neither any action was taken nor did he receive any intimation.

https://www.business-standard.com/india ... 383_1.html

[chetak]

[chetak]

Persons whose political fortunes might have reversed today

[KL Dubey]

adani has changed nothing. He does not exercise editorial authority or control, directly or even indirectly because he simply cannot afford to be seen doing so. rundeeteevee is less than pocket change for him

Many of the scum are still there (rozi roti) because they will not be hired by any other channel and even sriniv@$@n j@in could onlee manage a "job" in a $hit house like al j@@zer@

It would be too politically damaging for adani to be seen as interfering and doctoring the news like many of the other owners openly do. Many presstitutes across the world are gunning for him and why would he risk it

NDTV is expected to run objective news. Adani does not need to "doctor" anything. I picked that particular news piece. The same has been reported by many others.

Additionally, perhaps you did not see this in my post:

https://www.eastmojo.com/mizoram/2024/0 ... -minister/

He thinks "greater mizoram" should be a project directed by bharat sarkar and is consistent with "akhand bharat".

Clearly, no "separatist" would go the PMO and ask Modi to support his separatism, and such people would never be entertained by Modi anywhere nearby.

Bottomline, I think you are not reading this correctly - the interpretation/narrative is not consistent with actual events and declared intentions of the people concerned. There is a lot more underneath the surface, beyond the obvious and cliched "US deep state interference". Labeling India loyalists as separatists is not a great idea. However, both our narratives deserve space and provide perspective to readers. Argumentation is not the primary purpose.