Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Dec 2024 11:01

Slow clap...

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1866704738386895297 --->
Now if you look this way, you can see what we call the WhAP 8x8 IFV"
"So you'd received orders for 18 of these I hear?"
"Well yes sir, but for IPMV, an APC variant. CRPF ordered another 6"
"Huh so that's it? Just 24 vehicles?"
"Well Morocco bought 150 & may buy 250 more"
"Damn."

srai · Post by **srai** » 11 Dec 2024 14:19

The IA (like the IAF) will continue to “fight with what they have” … really old stuff

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 11 Dec 2024 16:35

Rakesh wrote: ↑11 Dec 2024 11:01 ...
"Well Morocco bought 150 & may buy 250 more"
...

And morocco has coast, plains, desert and mountains too...

Do they have monsoon (tropical) ?

If not, then that's the reason

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Dec 2024 06:05

https://x.com/JaidevJamwal/status/1867566228333572403 ---> Indian army engineers can change tank barrels outside repair depots. Impressive capability.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Dec 2024 18:55

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1870743041658740949 ---> BEML on Datran Engines: Second engine completed testing on 10 December 2024, 3rd engine was put on test bench on 11 December 2024. It will then go to UK for design calibration, after that come back to BEML for durability test, 400 hours, 600 hours, 1500 hours so that robustness of design checked, then go for bulk manufacturing.

https://x.com/EkNashwar/status/1870846775541813294 ---> India lacks even IC engine calibration facilities? Testing infrastructure for most core engineering verticals is hardly present in country.

https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1870935188257304948 ---> It is not just lack of calibration test facilities but the lack of expertise to draw conclusions from the calibration test and suggest design changes. AVL provides that expertise too.

https://x.com/chennaidiaries/status/1871140365627265218 ---> Funny thing is many of the best calibration engineers and the engine teardown specialists I’ve worked with at OEMs in the USA are Indian. Tech bros get all the attention but there’s a good chunk of automotive industry that’s very reliant on fantastic Indian engineering talent

srai · Post by **srai** » 13 Jan 2025 00:22

https://x.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/18 ... 0446868981

Tata WhAP/Kestrel numbers to reach 400 for Moroccan Army including different variants such as APC, IFV among others.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 21 Jan 2025 21:46

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1881683182443282493 ---> The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has entered into an agreement with the Heavy Vehicles Factory, a division of Armoured Vehicle Nigam Limited, to procure 47 Tank-72 Bridge Laying Tanks (BLT) for the Indian Army. The contract is valued at ₹1,560.52 crore.

https://x.com/livefist/status/1881677569411731866 ---> Indian Army orders 47 T-72 Bridge Laying Tanks worth ₹1,561 crore from HVF, Armoured Vehicles Nigam Ltd.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 22 Jan 2025 20:02

Rakesh wrote: ↑21 Jan 2025 21:46 https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1881683182443282493 ---> The Ministry of Defence (MoD) has entered into an agreement with the Heavy Vehicles Factory, a division of Armoured Vehicle Nigam Limited, to procure 47 Tank-72 Bridge Laying Tanks (BLT) for the Indian Army. The contract is valued at ₹1,560.52 crore.

https://x.com/livefist/status/1881677569411731866 ---> Indian Army orders 47 T-72 Bridge Laying Tanks worth ₹1,561 crore from HVF, Armoured Vehicles Nigam Ltd.

https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1882000186916163914 ---> Indian Army bulking up its logistics, net positive. DRDO developed kit (as usual), licensed to Heavy Vehicles Factory which makes the T-72. Two bridges - one at 70 tons - should be able to handle any/most vehicles in the Indian Army including the Arjun MBT. Scissors type Bridge Laying Tank (BLT), low profile launch.

https://avnl.co.in/products/t-72-bridge-layered-tank

A Deshmukh · Post by **A Deshmukh** » 22 Jan 2025 22:43

dont we have this since decades? what is new?

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Jan 2025 05:10

A Deshmukh wrote: ↑22 Jan 2025 22:43 dont we have this since decades? what is new?

We do, but likely this is replacing older units and adding newer ones.

AVNL Bags Rs 1,561 Crore Contract For Bridge Laying Tanks
https://bharatshakti.in/avnl-bags-rs-15 ... ing-tanks/
21 Jan 2025

Nikhil_Naya · Post by **Nikhil_Naya** » 23 Jan 2025 18:07

FWIW - Paanwallah while making my usual sada with extra supari was telling me that we have some good news expected on the armoured front in the next few weeks. Two 8 wheel platforms one of them being CBRN might see a large (by IA standards) order. Also some orders expected for 4x4 LAMMV and MRAPs as well. There is advanced integration of a large bore weapon system on one of the Wheeled platforms and it should break cover soon.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 23 Jan 2025 20:28

Nikhil_Naya wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025 18:07 FWIW - Paanwallah while making my usual sada with extra supari was telling me that we have some good news expected on the armoured front in the next few weeks. Two 8 wheel platforms one of them being CBRN might see a large (by IA standards) order. Also some orders expected for 4x4 LAMMV and MRAPs as well. There is advanced integration of a large bore weapon system on one of the Wheeled platforms and it should break cover soon.

Aap ke muh mein ghee shakhar! Thank you Saar!

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 24 Jan 2025 17:56

Rakesh wrote: ↑23 Jan 2025 05:10 ...
We do, but likely this is replacing older units and adding newer ones
...

Maybe we have decided that soon we might need them for the eastern front as well

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 02:57

Bajrang - light specialist vehicle
Airawat - vehicle mounted infantry mortar system

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/n ... 2195549318

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 03:08

Kapidhwaj - Specialist Mobility vehicle
Chetak- All Terrain Vehicle

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/n ... 2195554692

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 03:15

Nandaghosh - Quick Reaction Force Vehicle Heavy
Tripurantak - Quick Reaction Force Vehicle Medium

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/n ... 2195549069

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 01 Feb 2025 08:19

srai wrote: ↑01 Feb 2025 02:57 Bajrang - light specialist vehicle
Airawat - vehicle mounted infantry mortar system

Thanks for sharing

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 01 Feb 2025 08:23

srai wrote: ↑01 Feb 2025 03:08 Kapidhwaj - Specialist Mobility vehicle
...

Haven't seen Chinese copies of the Sherp... Yet

Quite a niche vehicle

Maybe Mahindra can have a go at it

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 19:14

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 19:30

Export from Ukraine into Indian Army

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 19:47

BSF -> 2-minutes to disassemble and then reassemble a LMV

srai · Post by **srai** » 01 Feb 2025 20:00

Details on Polaris ATV - IA calls it “Chetak” (not the BSF Chetak above

)

srai · Post by **srai** » 02 Feb 2025 03:00

Kalyani M4 aka Nandighosh - QRFV (Heavy)

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 02 Feb 2025 09:09

Kindly consider cross-posting in the the dediated Military Vehicles thread

viewtopic.php?t=7606

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Feb 2025 21:40

VIDEO: https://x.com/ang3lkenny/status/1886650478441980080 ---> The indigenous 1500hp engine for MBT is under testing in US.

https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1886657301953597775 ---> The number of times Indian designs and systems that have to go abroad (France, US, Russia) for testing and validation is shameful and evidence that India chronically under invests in local projects, constantly trying to take shortcuts by piggybacking on real powers.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Feb 2025 21:42

https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1886710534877388923 ---> Indian Army has released a Request For Information (RFI) to identify the prospective vendors (global vendors) to undertake manufacture of Active Protection System (APS) for T-90S/SK tanks under Make in India. The APS being offered should have Soft Kill, Hard Kill and Counter Unmanned Aerial System (C-UAS) measures and should be capable of being integrated with tank T-90 without denuding existing capabilities of tank.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Feb 2025 21:51

VIDEO: https://x.com/ang3lkenny/status/1886649526917697877 ---> Indigenous content % in various BEML defence products as of now.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 08 Feb 2025 05:53

Stryker infantry vehicle deal with U.S. progresses; Javelin missile to be demonstrated again
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 184833.ece
05 Feb 2025

The Stryker with its double-V hull performed optimally, one of the sources said....The envisaged plan, according to sources, is the procurement of few hundred vehicles in two stages. Direct import of small number of Strykers in the first stage and license manufacture of a bulk of them, with some customisations, in India likely by defence public sector undertaking Bharat Earth Movers Limited (BEML).

Javelin’s performance was not at the optimum level, which was due to the vintage of the system that was sent and repeat trials are expected to validate that. India has already sent a communication to the U.S. side asking for repeat demonstration of the Javelin...And given some shortcomings, last month a communication was sent and re-trials are now awaited anytime, the sources stated

srai · Post by **srai** » 08 Feb 2025 18:34

^^^
Atmanirbhar Bharat = import & license assemble

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 09 Feb 2025 22:44

I've heard from a panwallah, who heard it from his doodhwallah, that Stryker did not perform well in Indian conditions. Let's see if there is a report similar to T-90 vs Arjun CAG comparison.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 10 Feb 2025 07:00

ernest wrote: ↑09 Feb 2025 22:44 I've heard from a panwallah, who heard it from his doodhwallah, that Stryker did not perform well in Indian conditions. Let's see if there is a report similar to T-90 vs Arjun CAG comparison.

Indian conditions are very varied. We have tropics, hot deserts, cold desserts, plains, coastal areas, marshes etc etc

We can find a fit for any product

Only problem is that we expect each of our own products to fit everywhere perfectly

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 10 Feb 2025 15:19

ernest wrote: ↑09 Feb 2025 22:44 I've heard from a panwallah, who heard it from his doodhwallah, that Stryker did not perform well in Indian conditions. Let's see if there is a report similar to T-90 vs Arjun CAG comparison.

Heard that it performed really well in High Altitude Conditions and the Javelin was the one that was going haywire.
I really don't know why we are eating the stryker menu. I hope it facilitates in something else unwritten.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Feb 2025 20:58

Anujan wrote: ↑08 Feb 2025 05:53 Stryker infantry vehicle deal with U.S. progresses; Javelin missile to be demonstrated again
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 184833.ece
05 Feb 2025

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1887536853982523609 ---> Performance of Stryker demonstrated in high-alt b/w 13k & 18k ft in Sept-Oct along with Javelin ATGM. Report shared with Army HQ. Javelin had shortcomings, re-trials awaited anytime. Negotiations making progress. Stryker with Javelin ATGM under development, demo later.

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1887538098361217180 ---> "Envisaged plan is the procurement of few hundred vehicles in two stages. Direct import of small number of Strykers in first stage & license manufacture of a bulk of them, with some customisations, in India likely by BEML." No LSP, SP, processes, L1, GSQR, amphibious drama for this?

https://x.com/MtKaezar/status/1887561682764849289 ---> If Modi is allowing it then ultimately ALL blame falls on him only and no one else.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Feb 2025 21:14

https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1887700964641018043 ---> Engine & barrel replacement in field conditions at Rann of Kutch by Bald Eagle Brigade.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 11 Feb 2025 22:05

https://x.com/livefist/status/1889149469834494437 ---> So it looks like the Stryker is a done deal. @BEMLltd already list it on their new website. Modi-Trump meet this week. Stryker trials happened in Ladakh in Sept 2024. Army has asked for a redo of Javelin ATGM demo. Deal looks done. And so it goes.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 Feb 2025 21:11

https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1889619887532003800 ---> Breaking on the Stryker :-

1. The Stryker program is a US Government driven initiative wherein it intends to have a joint production facility on the other end of the Pacific. This is a strategic initiative to de-risk its military supply chain in case of a conflict in the Pacific theatre.

2. The Indian Army had requested for a version integrated with a 30mm cannon and capable of high altitude operations (Stryker M1304 ICVVA1-30mm equivalent).

3. As no spare vehicles were available, General Dynamics agreed to supply a version integrated with a 30 mm cannon as a new build.

4. Meanwhile the weight of the 30mm cannon was simulated by stuffing the troop compartment with equivalent weight during high altitude trails.

5. The test vehicle under performed in mobility trials but target acquisition and engagement using Javelin ATGM was found to be satisfactory.

6. The existing 350 hp engine was found to be under powered and an upgrade to a 600 hp was recommended by the IA.

7. BEML has been identified as the lead agency for assembling SKD (Semi Knocked Down) kits of two versions of the Stryker. This will be followed by full rate production with extensive localization.

8. The initial lot of vehicles will be handed over to the Indian Army for extended trials. One of the version will feature a 30mm cannon but there is no confirmation on engine upgrades.

9. The joint production facility has been green lighted and its existence shall be independent of @adgpi orders. Vehicles produced here shall fulfill global orders including the US Army.

10. Certain quarters in the Indian establishment believe that the deal might be dead in the water as the new regime has a hard line stance on “Make in America” and might cancel off shoring of manufacturing facilities.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 Feb 2025 21:42

^^^^
https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1889683192380293307 ---> Some corrections and updates on the Stryker:-

1. The Indian Army had asked for a version mounted with an ATGM and a 30mm cannon. No such version exists but Gteneral Dynamics has agreed to build a new type.

2. The weight of the 30mm Turret + Javelin Mount with missile was simulated by filling up the troop compartment with equivalent weight.

3. Firing trials were held at Mahajan Field Firing Ranges separately wherein two versions of Javelin were fired. 2 x new block missiles hit the target while 2 x older block missiles failed to launch.

4. Trials will commence once Indian Army receives a version which has a 30 mm cannon, ATGM firing capability and an uprated 600 hp engine.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 12 Feb 2025 21:50

Rakesh wrote: ↑12 Feb 2025 21:11
10. Certain quarters in the Indian establishment believe that the deal might be dead in the water as the new regime has a hard line stance on “Make in America” and might cancel off shoring of manufacturing facilities.

I really hope this happens. Armed forces never ending love for foreign deals and take the easy route should be ended and if Trump admin does it for us, more power to that admin then.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 Feb 2025 21:57

Jay wrote: ↑12 Feb 2025 21:50 I really hope this happens. Armed forces never ending love for foreign deals and take the easy route should be ended and if Trump admin does it for us, more power to that admin then.

Make America Great Again!

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 13 Feb 2025 08:46

Khalsa wrote: ↑10 Feb 2025 15:19
Heard that it performed really well in High Altitude Conditions and the Javelin was the one that was going haywire.
I really don't know why we are eating the stryker menu. I hope it facilitates in something else unwritten.

Army wouldn't ask for new engines if it performed well in high altitude. Also there are issues with its electronics systems in Indian weather variation and dust conditions.