India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[RCase]

If someone doesn't want to be shackled, don't ever put yourself in such a situation where someone has to shackle you because you wilfully broke their laws.

no one told them to break the law and sneak into another sovereign country and not expect harsh consequences to follow, and then whine about it

These folks by their own admission were willing to put their lives at risk to cross treacherous terrain, seeing injured folks left to die etc. in their endeavor to cross the US border. Being handcuffed and sent back in the relative safety of a military aircraft is far less of an ordeal. I am sure everyone was aware of the perils of making an illegal entry but choose to go ahead. They could have aborted their journeys the moment they realized that they are not flying into the US and made to do a detour through multiple Latin American countries.

[Cyrano]

Some reports, unconfirmed, indicate India only accepting deportees sent by chartered civilian aircraft which GoI will pay for their transportation.

Very considerate of GoI, almost needlessly generous. But it's not only for the deportees. This government does not want Indians to be treated badly by foreign nations despite whatever misdemeanors they may have committed. Few other nations can boast of such genuine caring for it's citizens.

That said I'm for recovering such costs from the deportees sooner or later!

[Yagnasri]

From what I understand, most of these people are from Punjab. GoI may be looking to ensure this will not become a big issue, and khalis will take advantage of this.

[Agasthi]

With online anti-Indian racism (started with twitter and then moved onto other social media) and then seeping into the real world, it is a matter of time before anti-Indian riots in the US happen?

Just going through the wikipedia entry on Chinese Americans is telling, there were enough massacres prompted by envy and job competition. The same feelings is being aroused against Indians. In one massacre, Latinos and Whites joined hands in massacring Chinese. It is interesting that the Chinese suffered from the same lack of solidarity and cohesiveness that we think we ourselves suffer from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Americans

The online racist campaign became more pronounced following Indian/Hindu sounding handles amplifying the Hamas massacre and was noticed by power brokers. The anti-muslim tone helped the Pakis to galvanise the ME donors like Qatar and a China which was seeking to punish India saw an opportunity as well. The psy-ops has now acquired a life of its own. Indian-Americans on the whole are trying to keep a low-profile but who will tell the brethren in India to take it easy. India Indians are giving it back with interest and they think it is an Indian American giving it back. Shiv Aroor for example caused a meltdown and more than half of them were asking him to be deported

They want Indian-Americans to be donors and be in the background or be a side kick like Usha Vance not a Vivek R or Kamala H. Too many Indians nearly at the top for comfort and for such a minuscule community.

[chetak]

congis, commies, wokes and urban naxals are going to need burnol by the ton, not to mention preparation H which they already use in copious amounts

Before PM .@narendramodi Ji reaches US....President Trump has SCRAPPED Foreign Corrupt Practices 1977 Act under which #AdaniGroup was being investigated.

HUGE RELIEF FOR ADANI GROUP.

Bharat's Strategic Projects AGAIN back on Track

PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNS EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN THE OVAL OFFICE. He is directing the DOJ to use the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act to allow Americans do to business abroad without fear of unjust prosecution. “It means a lot more business for America.”

WATCH VIDEO

[drnayar]

Source : https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1889 ... 28/photo/1

[drnayar]

The shadow state behind America is it's own bureaucracy working with vested interests.

Same for UK ..why send billions to Ukraine when their NHS is falling apart

[bala]

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Source : https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1889 ... 28/photo/1

Wow, this is dynamite, straight from the US State dept depths. No more pretending to be India allied by the Dumbocrats. Adani bogus investigation basis has been blown up to smithereens by DJT. Clearly the US under the dumbocrats were paying lip service to anything India. The Jihadi faction was supreme. At the last momemt they sent one of their chiefs and relaxed the nuclear sharing stuff but overall they were full throttled anti India like the Clintons, Obummer, etc., including Bidenwa and madam nothing-upstairs kamala.

[chetak]

[A_Gupta]

I learned today that US President Ronald Reagan backed the Khalistanis.

[Vayutuvan]

I learned today that US President Ronald Reagan backed the Khalistanis.

OK baba. GOP is and has been worse than DNC for India.

[Mort Walker]

I learned today that US President Ronald Reagan backed the Khalistanis.

Don't know how old you are. At Indira Gandhi's funeral in early Nov. 1984, the USSR's official statement said the US was directly involved in her assassination - a correct assessment. This deeply upset then Secretary of State George Schultz who was in Delhi for the funeral Sunday 04 Nov 1984. Schultz was shaken visibly shaken up & refused to believe it, to the extent of giving interviews to the press.

Schultz was personally a good person who was a PhD in Economics from MIT, who probably didn't know much about it, as the CIA was run by William Casey who did a lot of nasty stuff at the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) in WWII - followed by the support of Zia in TSP during the 1980s. A classic case of the Deep State in action.

On a side note about Casey - Zia Ul Haq was visiting DC in Dec. 1982 and it was an open secret he was procuring parts for an atomic bomb that the US was helping him out on since 1979. At that time a man with explosives had entered the Washington Monument threatening to blow it up. Saturday Night Live (SNL) news parody Weekend Update joked live on air when the man said he had a large amount of explosives, then Zia Ul Haq approached him to buy those explosives.

[Cyrano]

Dr SJ was hardly visible during NaMo's trip to France and US. Of course as HoS, NaMo will rightly be center stage but it still struck as a bit odd.
Anyone else noticed this?

[Mukesh.Kumar]

Two bits of news, but the dimensions of Indo- US Relations for the next four years is becoming clearer. As many forum members posited, Trump is not a friend of India, neither is he an enemy. It's going to be a hard-nosed biz relationship.

Why do I say so?

Check out Gaurav Arya's video on how the new POTUS is putting pressure on India through public stances.


And followed by this rather beguiling message where Modi is pushing back- "Learnt from President Trump...I also keep national interest of India at top of everything else": PM Modi in Washington DC

I believe that it is a sign of maturing of India- US relationship.

[S_Madhukar]

Dr SJ was hardly visible during NaMo's trip to France and US. Of course as HoS, NaMo will rightly be center stage but it still struck as a bit odd.
Anyone else noticed this?

Dr JS was at front during Trumps swearing in and he was very much there in the White House when the 2 heads had their remarks… was he in France at all ?

On a different note I am still trying to understand if any game changer tech has been yet made available to us… so far seems the usual Pappi jhappi and unwanted Strykers!

[Ashokk]

Masterclass on how to deal with Trump: American media hails PM Modi after negotiations

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s handling of trade negotiations with former US President Donald Trump is being hailed as a “masterclass” by CNN, after the two leaders secured key agreements despite escalating tariff tensions. Modi, who faced a potential diplomatic setback when Trump announced reciprocal tariffs on India during his Washington visit, turned the meeting into an opportunity—winning deals on trade, energy, and defense.

Turning a trade setback into a diplomatic win
CNN’s senior international correspondent, Will Ripley, highlighted Modi’s ability to navigate Trump’s unpredictable diplomacy, calling the meeting a lesson for world leaders. “This is a masterclass… to kind of know how they should walk into a negotiation with President Trump to achieve the best possible outcome,” Ripley said.
PM Modi, aware of the pressure from Trump’s tariff moves, skillfully shifted the narrative, securing commitments for increased US investments in India’s nuclear energy sector and progress on defense acquisitions, including potential purchases of F-35 fighter jets. He also reassured Trump of India’s willingness to reduce tariffs on American goods and accept the repatriation of undocumented Indian nationals.
‘MIGA + MAGA = MEGA’: A branding move that clicked with Trump
One of the standout moments of the meeting was Modi’s clever branding move, invoking Trump’s famous slogan with his own spin: “MAGA plus MIGA equals MEGA—A mega partnership for prosperity.”
CNN noted that this kind of messaging was precisely what Trump liked to hear. “Clearly, they might have had a PR team to think that up. And that’s exactly the kind of clever branding that President Trump certainly loves to hear,” Ripley observed.

A win-win outcome
Despite Trump’s pointed criticism of India’s high tariffs—citing a 70% tax on US cars and past tariffs of 125% on luxury vehicles—the two leaders presented their negotiations as a success. Trump declared that India would be “purchasing a lot of our oil and gas,” while PM Modi secured assurances on smoother trade relations.
CNN’s take? PM Modi ‘understood the assignment.’ In a situation where India could have faced a diplomatic setback, the Prime Minister turned the challenge into an opportunity, leaving Washington with tangible gains and a strengthened US-India partnership.

[Cyrano]

Dr SJ was hardly visible during NaMo's trip to France and US. Of course as HoS, NaMo will rightly be center stage but it still struck as a bit odd.
Anyone else noticed this?

Dr JS was at front during Trumps swearing in and he was very much there in the White House when the 2 heads had their remarks… was he in France at all ?

On a different note I am still trying to understand if any game changer tech has been yet made available to us… so far seems the usual Pappi jhappi and unwanted Strykers!

The France event was total bunkum designed for Macron to EXIST on the world stage. It's possible and Dr SJ went straight to DC to prepare the US visit.

I haven't seen all the news videos of Modi's meetings with Trump, it would be unthinkable for Dr SJ to not be there.

As far as outcomes go it may take some more time for us to figure them out. Trump may not be a fully evil fella but can be devious and takes pride in it.

[Mort Walker]

Jaishanker & Doval were both there with Modi & Trump. They handled it well.

[chanakyaa]

[bala]

The meeting in the US has been good for Modi ji and India. Many leaders met Modi - Elon, Vance, Tulsi Gabbard, NSA Mike Waltz and others - is a good sign. The dismantling of USAID is a huge dagger into the deep state and woke agenda. India is against both deep state and woke agenda. DJT evening out tariffs against all nations is a good thing for India, not an area to be worried for India. This is good thing since it provides a level field for products. Actually, India needs to ban china products that are flooding via the bania products of India. On the offer for F-35 aircrafts, this is far from being realized due to IAF/IN needs, we are not fighting the US, tis China and Pakis in the neighborhood and Tejas/Su-30MKI/AMCA are enough for them. The Ukr-Rus war stoppage will have benefits for the entire world.

For India this is good time to institute reforms within India. The babucracy and judiciary must be transformed to work for the nation a la US DOGE style. India has to navigate its own reforms and take advantage of the favorable US-India ties that DJT is offering. Modi ji requires to double/triple down on brand India in every field - aircrafts, nuclear, military, solar, space, AI, missiles, indigenous weapons/products, commercial product, finance tech UPI/DPI, and more. Nuclear field can be accelerated since DJT is favorable to do business - nuclear reactor building, fuel, high tech, etc. There are many areas wherein India and US can be involved in high tech since things are getting complicated in every domain and global human resources are required. Both of them can benefit immensely.

India should also take advantage of two areas of geopolitical importance and concerns for the US - China and Euroland. China will be ground down further by the US due to its belligerence in the world and US will show it who is the boss. The Euroland is facing economic ruin and DJT will not bail them out, instead he wants them to pay for NATO safety. Euroland also needs to get rid of woke bs and the jihadi onslaught on their population.

At this point, DJT is okay with India dealing with its neighbors. India should seriously consider border adjustments as first step and include Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Maldive, Mauritius, etc within Indian borders. BD borders like the chicken neck can be redrawn and effectively BD should be neutered no army etc for them, maybe establish a Indian naval base at Chittagong. POK must be taken back, since there is UN resolution to that effect. India should openly ask for China to leave Tibet and I think DJT will back it.

[eklavya]

[Vayutuvan]

Dr JS was at front during Trumps swearing in and he was very much there in the White House when the 2 heads had their remarks… was he in France at all ?

The France event was total bunkum designed for Macron to EXIST on the world stage. It's possible and Dr SJ went straight to DC to prepare the US visit.

DRJS was in France. I saw a video on a TG channel in which they are discussing IMEC etc.

[Cyrano]

Thank you Vayutuvan Garu. Could you please share a link?

[chetak]

[vera_k]

Answer concerns around criminals and terrorists entering India via the deportation process.

2 cousins, wanted for murder, arrested in Amritsar after being deported from US

A United States military plane carrying the second of 119 Indian deportees landed in Amritsar on Saturday. Among those 119 deportees, two were immediately arrested upon landing by the Punjab Police.

[chetak]

Jaishanker & Doval were both there with Modi & Trump. They handled it well.

Mort Walker ji,


This image is so much clearer

[A_Gupta]

Trump says unfair to US if Musk builds factory in India

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-say ... 025-02-19/

[A_Gupta]

US SEC seeks India's help in Adani fraud probe
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-sec ... 025-02-18/

[A_Gupta]

TCS faces visa fraud allegations amid Trump-era scrutiny: Report

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 74941.html

[ricky_v]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/us-india- ... year-ahead

The most significant new announcement is the intention to negotiate a BTI. With scars from negotiations at the World Trade Organization and a disjointed attempt to negotiate a Bilateral Investment Treaty in the closing months of the George W. Bush administration, there has been little interest in aspirational trade talks. Even the “mini-deal” that was nearly concluded during the last Trump administration was more of an armistice than a market-opening agreement. But India has become much more open to real trade negotiations, as evidenced by its meaningful deals with Australia, the United Arab Emirates, and the Swiss-led European Free Trade Association.

Key defense exercises like the tri-service “Tiger Triumph” were highlighted. Pushing sales of U.S. hydrocarbons, a key feature of the first Trump administration, was reinforced in the meeting.

Civilian nuclear cooperation seems to have new life, helped by India’s recent announcement of its intention to amend the Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage Act, 2010. The INDUS-X platform to expand defense innovation cooperation is rebranded INDUS Innovation. And cooperation on “trusted and resilient supply chains” for critical and emerging technologies remains on the bilateral agenda. Space cooperation remains a key part of the agenda, buoyed by recent cooperative agreements.

[chetak]

https://www.csis.org/analysis/us-india- ... year-ahead

The most significant new announcement is the intention to negotiate a BTI. With scars from negotiations at the World Trade Organization and a disjointed attempt to negotiate a Bilateral Investment Treaty in the closing months of the George W. Bush administration, there has been little interest in aspirational trade talks. Even the “mini-deal” that was nearly concluded during the last Trump administration was more of an armistice than a market-opening agreement. But India has become much more open to real trade negotiations, as evidenced by its meaningful deals with Australia, the United Arab Emirates, and the Swiss-led European Free Trade Association.

Key defense exercises like the tri-service “Tiger Triumph” were highlighted. Pushing sales of U.S. hydrocarbons, a key feature of the first Trump administration, was reinforced in the meeting.

Civilian nuclear cooperation seems to have new life, helped by India’s recent announcement of its intention to amend the Civil Liability for Nuclear Damage Act, 2010. The INDUS-X platform to expand defense innovation cooperation is rebranded INDUS Innovation. And cooperation on “trusted and resilient supply chains” for critical and emerging technologies remains on the bilateral agenda. Space cooperation remains a key part of the agenda, buoyed by recent cooperative agreements.

ricky_v ji,


This is an extremely foolish thing to do.

the amrikis haven't built a reactor in so many decades now

do we want such old technology to enter India and that too, without a liability clause.

This is just an accident looking for a place to happen

many of their experienced designers and engineers would have long since retired and some wet behind the ears, woke, commie, DEI gender fluid punk, is going to be sent out to the wilderness in India to get this project off the ground

The MIC and their slimy cousins, including pharma, GMO agro, amazon, walmart et al (who want no oversight by the Indian regulators) and financial behemoths are keen to enter and lock in the Indian market space and are leveraging trumpwa to break into India

trumpwa is not a friend, he is a shark, a hardnosed businessman focussed on MAGA, even if he tanks India and her economy, he will not lose any sleep because economic colonization is the next step on the amriki deep state agenda. Because of what the foolish amrikis did for the cheen and her global rise, and as a consequence are now facing a rampaging monster, they will not make the same mistake with India and if the cheen want a big part of India to make their deal with the amrikis, they will feed India slice by slice, to the cheen.

The pakis have sunk their BRI dreams. The cheen plan B is India

Prior to Vogtle Unit 3, the last nuclear reactor to start in the United States was Watts Bar Unit 2 in Tennessee. Construction on Watts Bar 2 began in 1973 but was suspended in 1985. Work resumed in 2007, and the reactor came online in 2016.

and tell me that this isn't true .....

[ricky_v]

ricky_v ji,


This is an extremely foolish thing to do.

the amrikis haven't built a reactor in so many decades now

do we want such old technology to enter India and that too, without a liability clause.

This is just an accident looking for a place to happen

many of their experienced designers and engineers would have long since retired and some wet behind the ears, woke, commie, DEI gender fluid punk, is going to be sent out to the wilderness in India to get this project off the ground

The MIC and their slimy cousins, including pharma, GMO agro, amazon, walmart et al (who want no oversight by the Indian regulators) and financial behemoths are keen to enter and lock in the Indian market space and are leveraging trumpwa to break into India

trumpwa is not a friend, he is a shark, a hardnosed businessman focussed on MAGA, even if he tanks India and her economy, he will not lose any sleep because economic colonization is the next step on the amriki deep state agenda. Because of what the foolish amrikis did for the cheen and her global rise, and as a consequence are now facing a rampaging monster, they will not make the same mistake with India and if the cheen want a big part of India to make their deal with the amrikis, they will feed India slice by slice, to the cheen.

The pakis have sunk their BRI dreams. The cheen plan B is India

Prior to Vogtle Unit 3, the last nuclear reactor to start in the United States was Watts Bar Unit 2 in Tennessee. Construction on Watts Bar 2 began in 1973 but was suspended in 1985. Work resumed in 2007, and the reactor came online in 2016.

and tell me that this isn't true .....

chetak sir ji, i believe that the us is indulging in hafta vasooli, and fair enough for them, if they find willing (or not) chumps to purchase their costly equipment, replacement parts, restrictive EULA ityadi ityadi and all the good things that come with these types of agreements between "friends"

this seems to be the issue currently: The nuclear agreement with the United States led to India issuing a Letter of Intent for purchasing 10,000 MW from the US. However, liability concerns and a few other issues are preventing further progress on the issue. Experts say that India's nuclear liability law discourages foreign nuclear companies. This law gives accident victims the right to seek damages from plant suppliers in the event of a mishap. It has "deterred foreign players like General Electric and Westinghouse Electric, a US-based unit of Toshiba, with companies asking for further clarification on compensation liability for private operators."


let us see how the government comes up with ways to modify the existing liability law

no arguments about the western companies wanting to enter india in permanent ways, such as mosanto and their patented seeds, but on the flip side we also have the following allowances for FDI in india by sector:

Code: Select all

Sector	FDI Cap (%)	Entry Route
Agriculture & Animal Husbandry	100	Automatic Route
Plantation Sector	100	Automatic Route
Mining	100	Automatic Route
Petroleum & Natural Gas	100	Automatic Route
Manufacturing	100	Automatic Route
Defence	100 (up to 74% Automatic)	Government Route beyond 74%
Broadcasting (Carriage Services)	100	Automatic Route
Broadcasting (Content Services)	26-100	Automatic/Government Route
Print Media	26	Government Route
Civil Aviation (Airports)	100	Automatic Route
Civil Aviation (Air Transport Services)	49-100	Automatic up to 49%, 100% for NRIs
Construction Development	100	Automatic Route
Industrial Parks	100	Automatic Route
Satellites (Establishment and Operation)	100	Government Route
Private Security Agencies	74	Automatic up to 49%, Government Route beyond 49%
Telecom Services	100	Automatic up to 49%, Government Route beyond 49%
Trading	100	Automatic Route
E-Commerce Activities	100	Automatic Route
Single Brand Product Retail Trading	100	Automatic Route
Multi Brand Retail Trading	51	Government Route
Duty Free Shops	100	Automatic Route
Railway Infrastructure	100	Automatic Route
Asset Reconstruction Companies	100	Automatic Route
Banking (Private Sector)	74	Automatic up to 49%, Government Route beyond 49%
Banking (Public Sector)	20	Government Route
Insurance	49	Automatic Route
Credit Information Companies	100	Automatic Route
Infrastructure Company in Securities Market	49	Automatic Route

thats not to say that the government has not countered in meaningful ways, the ONDC, the open network for digital commerce seems to be a step in the right direction that allows for local kiranas to compete with the amazon and walmart backed flipkart



i believe that the government will have to do monkey balancing for a lot of the other sectors as above, creation of open playing fields for indian enterprises without any accusation of protectionism seems to be the way to go

[Vayutuvan]

TCS faces visa fraud allegations amid Trump-era scrutiny: Report

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 74941.html

That could have happened in Biden era too or even Obama era. In fact Obama's first sentence in one of his SoTU speeches was "High paying IT jobs are going to Bangalore".

You do the crime you do the time.

[A_Gupta]

After downloading 3.5 GByte of US foreign aid data from foreignassistance.gov, the maximum I find spent by the US on Indian elections is US $500,000 in 2013, and very little after 2018 (April 2018 - $41)

The 2013 money info:

Implementing Partner Name: Consortium for Elections and Political Process Strengthening

Activity description: "Promote legitimate contestation for ideas and political power through democratic political processes that reflect the will of the people. Establish or develop competitive multiparty systems through improving the legal and regulatory framework under which political parties and political entities operate."



In contrast, Bangladesh did have USD 21 million in recent years.

Once one knows the program name (Amar Vote Amar Activity) one can easily find locate it elsewhere, e.g.,
https://www.highergov.com/grant/72038822LA00001/

Grant: 72038822LA00001
Grant Description Usaid's Amar Vote Amar (AVA) activity
Awardee
Grant Awardee Consortium For Elections & Political Process Strengthening Logo Consortium For Elections & Political Process Strengthening
Funding Goals USAID’S AMAR VOTE AMAR (AVA) ACTIVITY
Grant Program (CFDA) 98.001 - USAID Foreign Assistance for Programs Overseas
Awarding / Funding Agency U.S. Mission to Bangladesh Logo U.S. Mission to Bangladesh [USAID - OM]
Place of Performance Bangladesh
Geographic Scope Foreign
Related Opportunity NOT APPLICABLE
Analysis Notes
Amendment Since initial award the total obligations have increased 200% from $7,000,000 to $21,000,000.

More details on the site above.

[drnayar]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/wor ... 537160.cms


New York City is ending a $220 million deal with the Pakistan-owned Roosevelt Hotel to house migrants. The closure comes after pressure from federal authorities and MAGA supporters. The hotel had been housing asylum seekers since May 2023, but backlash arose over taxpayer money being used to support immigration efforts.

[Mort Walker]

Mazza ay gaya.

Donald Trump Jr.: “I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.”

[drnayar]

Mazza ay gaya.

Donald Trump Jr.: “I honestly can’t imagine that anyone in their right mind would be picking Ukraine as an ally when Russia is the other option, the US should have been sending weapons to Russia.”

there is still time and Vlad is Donald.s friend

[Mort Walker]

Yes. F-35 + Su57 = SuFkup joint ToT so IAF doofuses can kill the Tejas & AMCA in one fell swoop. People will be here on BRF in 2047 deciding on which combat fighter aircraft the IAF should buy.

If this wasn’t so tragic, it would be funny.

[SRajesh]

^^^Mortji
Part of the credit for such SuFkup should go to our chiefs as well.
Every incoming chief feels that he has a Three foot long Danda that he has to use.
10 year strategy thrown in the dustbin.
I feel Gen Rawat was onto to someting before.
I am not of them Conspiracy Theorist, but the late Gen's untimely death has IMHO put paid to the ideals of CDS and 10 year plans.
The fight for a big share of the pie is quite open now!!

[chetak]

^^^Mortji
Part of the credit for such SuFkup should go to our chiefs as well.
Every incoming chief feels that he has a Three foot long Danda that he has to use.
10 year strategy thrown in the dustbin.
I feel Gen Rawat was onto to someting before.
I am not of them Conspiracy Theorist, but the late Gen's untimely death has IMHO put paid to the ideals of CDS and 10 year plans.
The fight for a big share of the pie is quite open now!!

SRajesh ji,


IN ACTUAL FACT, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CRUX OF THE MATTER

the nation can go to the dogs, as long as kingdoms get built