Operation Sindoor - Bharat Strikes Back: Jai Hind!

[AkshaySG]

So what happened after cease fire violation? Are we back to wiping out bases or new ceasefire?

Currently it seems like we did some retaliation with a few drone and missile strikes but will not take it much further.

I think daylight will result in more de escalation measures being implemented.

[RCase]

India and Pakistan have today worked out an understanding on stoppage of firing and military action.

India has consistently maintained a firm and uncompromising stance against terrorism in all its forms and manifestations. It will continue to do so.

- Dr Jaishankar EAM

"Stoppage of firing and military action" - interesting not cease fire? Am I over analyzing?

Stoppage of firing and military action does not rule out stoppage of water and other non-kinetic means of tightening the screws on Pakistan to achieve results.
- By not pulling back troops, Pakistan will need to have their forces on eternal alert and deployed. This will increase their spend.
- There could be internal strife between the jihadis and the uniformed jihadis, as the later will have to deal with the prospect of full scale kinetic action if the former indulges in Pakistan's leading passtime.
- Likely to have more infighting in the army and government. There will be Munir loyalists and other jernail aspirants to be the next Khalifa. On the political front, the Shariffs vs. Imran Khan factions. This needs to be actively stoked.
- The awam (including the bluster wonders) for the first time have faced the real music of the Indian armed forces. In 1971, the hinterland of Pakistan did not see that much visible action. Most of it was around the border, LOC and Karachi. Also, current generation has never seen any action. This will weigh psychologically on them.
- With cessation of trade with India, food supplies, medicines etc. will become scarce leading to social anarchy.
- Need to replenish those drones, ADS, missiles, aircraft, damaged infrastructure etc.
- Balochistan on the boil. Just the presence of a few Indian Naval ships in the Arabian coast will give them enough acidity.
- Sindh also might start to boil, if the Pak fauj faces a rout in Balochistan.
- The jihadis licking their wounds and foaming at the mouth will be living under the shadow of an unexpected drone or unknown gunman visit. They know that they cannot be safe deep inside Pakistan.

[hanumadu]

We hit their airbases and there would be sattelite images, from not just our sattelites but others too. They cannot claim just some trees were hit. I think GOI will release them at an appropriate time.

It is already visible in the public satellite images
https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1921140857488494710
you can go through other posts by detresfa_ and see the damage, including that to Rahim Yar Khan Airbase that is out of operation for a week. All this is public info

Thanks. I don't think there is a need for rhona-dhona about perception. The damage is too much and too public to hide from the paki awam.

[Singbhai]

Realistically, which Indian products may an arms buyer even purchase because of performance observed in this conflict?

Air defense products - yes.

But there's no aircraft being exported by India. Which leaves the field open to the Chinese, since they now claim their aircraft went up against Western tech and came off well.

Sir

Several Products:
1. Coastal Radar System
2. Field Radars
3. Kamikaze Drones
4. Surveillance Drones
5. 155mm Guns (Self propelled as well as MGS)
6. Ammo - all types

Every war allows the world to see the arsenal in operations real time. Uncle Sam ka maal isiliye bikta hai.
As far as the Chinese equipment are concerned, its taking a hit in the market already with a few orders getting cancelled or the product no more in the run for an RFP or in procurement plans. These include Radar Systems, Large Calibre weapons as well as potentially the fighter aircrafts. Their performance already was observed by silent defence equipment shoppers around the world.

[Vayutuvan]

“Expect more brazen and frequent terrorist attacks, not less”

This is wrong analysis.

India has decisively demonstrated that after every terror attack, India will bomb terror factories all over Pakistan, and air bases too if Pakistan retaliates.

* The previous addled thinking of "if we attack, they will use nuclear bum onlee!!" has been torn to shreds.
* The previous addled thinking of "the best we can do to retaliate is some border raids onlee" has also been torn to shreds.
* "If they attack across LoC, tradition demands that we too attack across LoC because according to UN article 51, the Shimla agreement, Article 360 and Nehru Jinnah pact, IB is different onlee when compared to LoC, and PoK and JK are bilateral issues onlee, so okay to attack across LOC in POK onleee" also is torn to shreds.

Now the expectation of Indian public is that India will bomb Pakistan if Pakistan attacks with terrorists. The starting point for any terror attack is not "India should collect dossiers", it is "India should bomb muridke". If Mumbai attacks happen today, India will bomb Karachi

Pakistanis can claim all the victory they want, but the fact remains that if they carry out something on the scale of Mumbai, they know that India will go to war. They tried it out in Pulwama. India bombed them. They bought some cheap drones, and tried it out again at Pahalgam, India bombed them. Perhaps they've learned next time they try some tactical brilliance, India will bomb them again.

This is also a good opportunity to take stock from India's side. We've been very critical about defense procurement, modernization etc. But the fact remains that we are largely okay, our procurement process is like Post Office. It is slow, buildings are a bit outdated, but it is a huge organization, and things go where they have to.

We have to plug gaps, I assume this is a wakeup call for everyone about the quality of indigenous maal and the need for a domestic MIC which can step up and replenish during war time. From reports, our Akash worked well. So did our upgraded L70. Brahmos. ityadi: If HAL can churn out 24 Tejas in 1 year, who cares if a few tejas are lost during the war as long as pilots are safe? We'll make five times that number next year. HAL will get more orders, workers will get more bonus, everyone will be happy.

More importantly, the gap between us is growing. In next five years, we will be self sufficient across the spectrum. The economy instead of 11x bigger, will be 16x bigger. Pakis are busy fixing elections and getting IMF loans.

I am quoting it in toto as it is the best post so far.

[Najunamar]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 066584.cms

According to this article, after the CF violation, Our army struck in POK and also across the LOC.

[Cyrano]

The issue here is not.about the stated objectives of Operation Sindoor...
The issue is that events after Operation Sindoor gave India a huge opportunity to destroy Pak once and for all...
The frustration & fear is that Modi Govt. may be wasting that opportunity...

+108% right!

[jimmy_moh]

During our press meet , we categorically denied all their allegations like destroying s400 site , our airbases etc. but we didn't even mentioned about their claims of hitting our fighters which they boasted officially in their press conference.

[bkswarti]

During our press meet , we categorically denied all their allegations like destroying s400 site , our airbases etc. but we didn't even mentioned about their claims of hitting our fighters which they boasted officially in their press conference.

Not that I believe any of it. But if they shot down even one Rafale then we really need to take a hard look at our training and next foreign stop gap purchase (MRCA).

I am of the opinion that we commit to more Rafael’s until MCA and Tejas Mk 2 can be produced.

[Cyrano]

CNN is lying about French intelligence on Rafales:
https://x.com/KreatelyMedia/status/1920798324254236724

French people's self loathing has gone to new heights. So many french 'analystes' on yt trying to diss the Rafale, indian pilots, their own pilots, Dassault... Makes me nauseous

[A_Gupta]

Pakistani pilots fly Rafales for Qatar. So Pakistan has some detailed information about them.

[bkswarti]

Pakistani pilots fly Rafales for Qatar. So Pakistan has some detailed information about them.

This is why nothing will beat home made products. Only if our babus can hit one deadline

[chetak]

Realistically, which Indian products may an arms buyer even purchase because of performance observed in this conflict?

Air defense products - yes.

But there's no aircraft being exported by India. Which leaves the field open to the Chinese, since they now claim their aircraft went up against Western tech and came off well.

Sir

Several Products:
1. Coastal Radar System
2. Field Radars
3. Kamikaze Drones
4. Surveillance Drones
5. 155mm Guns (Self propelled as well as MGS)
6. Ammo - all types

Every war allows the world to see the arsenal in operations real time. Uncle Sam ka maal isiliye bikta hai.
As far as the Chinese equipment are concerned, its taking a hit in the market already with a few orders getting cancelled or the product no more in the run for an RFP or in procurement plans. These include Radar Systems, Large Calibre weapons as well as potentially the fighter aircrafts. Their performance already was observed by silent defence equipment shoppers around the world.

Shriman Singbhai,


These same guys are already trashing Indian weapons systems and AD systems and their associated missiles.


That is the nature of the business.

[chetak]

“Expect more brazen and frequent terrorist attacks, not less”

This is wrong analysis.

India has decisively demonstrated that after every terror attack, India will bomb terror factories all over Pakistan, and air bases too if Pakistan retaliates.

* The previous addled thinking of "if we attack, they will use nuclear bum onlee!!" has been torn to shreds.
* The previous addled thinking of "the best we can do to retaliate is some border raids onlee" has also been torn to shreds.
* "If they attack across LoC, tradition demands that we too attack across LoC because according to UN article 51, the Shimla agreement, Article 360 and Nehru Jinnah pact, IB is different onlee when compared to LoC, and PoK and JK are bilateral issues onlee, so okay to attack across LOC in POK onleee" also is torn to shreds.

Now the expectation of Indian public is that India will bomb Pakistan if Pakistan attacks with terrorists. The starting point for any terror attack is not "India should collect dossiers", it is "India should bomb muridke". If Mumbai attacks happen today, India will bomb Karachi

Pakistanis can claim all the victory they want, but the fact remains that if they carry out something on the scale of Mumbai, they know that India will go to war. They tried it out in Pulwama. India bombed them. They bought some cheap drones, and tried it out again at Pahalgam, India bombed them. Perhaps they've learned next time they try some tactical brilliance, India will bomb them again.

This is also a good opportunity to take stock from India's side. We've been very critical about defense procurement, modernization etc. But the fact remains that we are largely okay, our procurement process is like Post Office. It is slow, buildings are a bit outdated, but it is a huge organization, and things go where they have to.

We have to plug gaps, I assume this is a wakeup call for everyone about the quality of indigenous maal and the need for a domestic MIC which can step up and replenish during war time. From reports, our Akash worked well. So did our upgraded L70. Brahmos. ityadi: If HAL can churn out 24 Tejas in 1 year, who cares if a few tejas are lost during the war as long as pilots are safe? We'll make five times that number next year. HAL will get more orders, workers will get more bonus, everyone will be happy.

More importantly, the gap between us is growing. In next five years, we will be self sufficient across the spectrum. The economy instead of 11x bigger, will be 16x bigger. Pakis are busy fixing elections and getting IMF loans.

I am quoting it in toto as it is the best post so far.

Vayutuan ji,

one good thing came of it all

Any future acts of terror will be considered as acts of war (and will be dealt with appropriately)

This is the new policy of the Modi Govt

and, no one in the international and/or geopolitical ecosystems are going to doubt this fact anymore

[ricky_v]

Jamwal ji on xitter states that the ceasefire is not holding, many rumours going around in sm

[birjur]

The past few days were a success for India. They were done after that first strike but the pakis wanted to stand tall and had to see their airbases hit. Something not done since 1971.

If there was any area of improvement it’s to give our forces free range from day 1. It’s clear they were told not to engage PAF day 1 unless they crossed border or fired at us first and to only focus on terror camps. Terror camps and paki bases are all in the same. We shouldn’t hamstring our forces with bullshit rules. Secondly maybe we could have pushed our advantage before this ceasefire but no one here knows the diplomatic bull in the background. India can only grow economically, spend more on defense and on homegrown products to counter this in the future. Out Akash systems made the difference this conflict, they were the game changer.

As for pakis. We are not them. They do not value their fellow man. If they want to take the losses they took and declare some sort of victory, they will be decimated in short time.

[ricky_v]

^chetak sir, very promptly after that very public change in sop, we had a full on attack, not to mention infiltration attempts by many, we still did not declare that as a declaration of war
I don't know if that new rule is still in place

[rkirankr]

Guys, I do not see what is the compulsion of this govt for ceasefire. However as military enthusiasts ,we can take lot of positives. Our Air defence was the star, and our IAF jets and missiles could penetrate their skies and destroy the assets. We are way ahead of Pak. However we should keep improving and increase this gap.

[Cain Marko]

My only response to the drubbing India took at the hands of tsp and converse hardware:

India lost. Haha. Too bad. Chinese fighters and radars were awesome. Poor India... It got nothing in return except the ability to bomb deep inside Pakistan whenever it wants, not share Indus water whenever it wants, be able to engage a nuclear neighbor at will without risking it's economy.

Such losers those Indians.

[rkirankr]

We should depend more on our own weapons . I still do not understand the deference and value we give to US. When IG , Vajpayee could defy them when India was weaker . Why we are so hesitant to oppose them

[RCase]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQJ7jMRSLTA
This guy seems to have some real footage of the drone attacks past the cessation of firing over Srinagar.
Some fireworks over Paki skies.
Partial speech of Shariff
Q&A with a pro India stance

[Dilbu]

There are multiple reports of drone activity still going on in Punjab sector.

[A_Gupta]

If inappropriate, moderator, please remove; but I want to remind people that stuff happens. Planes fell off the aircraft carrier into the Red Sea.
News-item:
https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... yment.html
Humor:
https://youtube.com/shorts/_cMQ0dcT7GU? ... WH15cfFmL8

[srai]

CNN is lying about French intelligence on Rafales:
https://x.com/KreatelyMedia/status/1920798324254236724

DJT likes to take credit for everything … lining himself for Nobel Peace Prize

Americans are setting the narrative to sell more of their defense hardware like the F-35 …

[ricky_v]

live presser going on now

vikram misri talking about cfv and retaliation by india

[sanjaykumar]

That is exactly the thing…. In a war sigg th nation the Indians were able to repeatedly penetrate Pakistan airspace, seemingly at will.

One would expect defences and combat air patrols to be alive after the first intrusion. No theee were repeated strikes across several days. How does one even explain that?

[Amber G.]

Reaction fro Jeff Smith. (Director of the Asian Studies Center at The Heritage Foundation. ):

Folks are going to get very hung up on whether the U.S. "mediated" an India-Pakistan ceasefire, or just helped bridge the gap and encourage the two to talk.

Personally, I don't think it matters much. India was compelled to send a message after Pahalgam and that message was sent. Terror will not be cost-free and future terror attacks will be met with a military response. The fact the guns have gone silent for now is a good thing.F

[tandav]

A new definition of de-escalation : stop from operating by force.

Indian Armed forces are De-escalating Sargodha, Nurkhan, Skardu air force bases captured by terrorist elements in Pakistan

[vera_k]

Americans are setting the narrative to sell more of their defense hardware like the F-35 …

I would like to believe that India agreed to a ceasefire to keep Pakistan around.
For use as a testing and proving ground for the weapons produced by the domestic MIC.
So more customers may be found for the weapons.

[fanne]

It is easy to get into a war and very hard to get out. Ask the Russians in untrained or us in me, afg or even Vietnam (it ended us ascendancy in the world).
We have achieved the goals that e had to. Goals like getting pok is unachievable as of now and better achieved by breaking pak.
I think we had hit tsp enough (in fact the difference surprised us). We could have hit more but with more risks and more loses (not including the new clear factor).
We exit ahead of the game, in fact very ahead of the game. We achieved deterrence vis a vis terrorist attack.

[ricky_v]

update from presser: pakis violating ceasefire along multiple places, military keeping strong vigil on situation, given free hand to deal with, calls on pakistan to responsibly adhere to their side of the deal

[Cyrano]

How is it a better outcome for Bharat that response thresholds have been lowered when a terrorist attack happens than to highly reduce or altogether eliminate the possibility of such an attack happening in the first place - atleast for a decade or two?

Please stop selling this snake oil that this ceasefire or whatever sophisticated phrase is elegantly used is a great outcome.

Rabid dogs must be neutralised, not tamed and taught tricks.

Our govt and forces had no plan to handle the unmitigated success of operation Sindoor and are wasting this opportunity IMO.

[vijayk]

The scary news I heard is that they needed ceasefire for 3 hours and they played upon US by leaking wrong intelligence. JD Vance called Modi and pushed ceasefire.

Now the worry is in these 3 hours, China/Turkey transferred some weapons

[gakakkad]

Let's entertain the theory that they sold Americans some fabricated Intel. What could it be ? Nukes falling into the hands of Taliban or isis etc ? What could they have threatened with .

[Cain Marko]

The scary news I heard is that they needed ceasefire for 3 hours and they played upon US by leaking wrong intelligence. JD Vance called Modi and pushed ceasefire.

Now the worry is in these 3 hours, China/Turkey transferred some weapons

They probably rebuilt their runways?

[sanjaykumar]

The Indians who have radars that 5000km out did not know about it.

But you did.

[bala]

Once again a huge opportunity to put away the Pak land for good was missed.

What operation Sindoor achieved:

1. 100+ jihadis were killed compared to the 26 innocents who died at Pahalgam.
2. IWT Abeyance and other measures to block trade with Pak land
3. The Nuclear bogey touted by Pak land, US, China was completely ignored by India. Vinay K ambassador ignored the stmt by CNN. India knows that Pak Land is nuke nude and such threats don't mean anything. Furthermore India bombed one of the Pak land nuke storage facility for double insurance measure.
4. India's Air defense is stellar and world beating.
5. Showed the world that China maal is crap.

Did not achieve:

1. The total decimation of the PA and ASim Munir
2. The perpetrators of terrorism at Pahalgam are scott free hiding somewhere
3. India did not achieve any tangible territory gain from Pak land like in 71. Minimum should have been vacate PoK, Gilgit Baltistan. Also help out BLA to truly declare independence from the PakJabis.
4. Media war against entrenched Western media like BBC, CNN, WaPo, NYT. Agencies like Reuters, AP are filled by islamic writers who paint their own picture and these article are quoted as source of truth by others.

[Luxtor]

How is it a better outcome for Bharat that response thresholds have been lowered when a terrorist attack happens than to highly reduce or altogether eliminate the possibility of such an attack happening in the first place - atleast for a decade or two?

Please stop selling this snake oil that this ceasefire or whatever sophisticated phrase is elegantly used is a great outcome.

Rabid dogs must be neutralised, not tamed and taught tricks.

Our govt and forces had no plan to handle the unmitigated success of operation Sindoor and are wasting this opportunity IMO.

Yes, we're good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Might’ve been a significant victory if fully followed through to finally put pukistan out of commission permanently. Absolutely nothing has changed now with us agreeing to the ceasefire when we had the pukis running scared. In just 3 measly hours the pukis started violating the ceasefire again as usual for them. Why haven't we reopened the barrage again? We'll be continuing to live with puki terrorism for a long time if not forever. Nothing has changed. Modi is so in love with Trump that he caved at the first phone call, not even from Trump, but from Vance. How meek is that? Our politicians always under cut our high performing armed forces and our strategic scientists that have given us all these wonderful weapons.

[vijayk]

Whatever it is, I pray for India and I have full faith in our armed forced. I hope Lord Vishnu is protecting us and Lord Shiva will do tandav on the enemies

[gakakkad]

I wish I never became a Hakeem and was like baba kalyani or palmer lucky making cutting edge stuff for desh.