Afghanistan News & Discussion - April 2016

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Manish_P wrote: 07 Sep 2023 12:00
chetak wrote: 07 Sep 2023 11:34...

After the amriki departure, the pakis stole, bought, "borrowed" many thousands of amriki "abandoned" military vehicles from the afghan jihadis and drove them to pukestan in convoy after never ending convoy.
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Precisely the sore point, Chetak sir.

The bious bakis believe it was/is their entitlement via divine decree to be gifted the items rather than having to buy or steal them.

Likewise they have always been sore with their cousins, the Britshits, for not handing the whole of Hindustan to them (the rightful descendants of the Mughals) when they departed the land in 1947.


Manish ji,

the jihadis are as delusional today as they ever were, especially in 1947

and these jihadis actually thought that the Marathas would simply have kept quiet, as indeed the rest of India would, while the puncherwallahs dusted off their pagris and tarboushs, fired up their opium filled hookahs, while gumming their way through mounds of galouti kebabs

and the taxes that they would have dreamt of levying on the kaffirs would have easily been north of 80%, to support them in the style that their unwashed ancestors would have become accustomed to, before the Maratha hordes descended on them
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chetak wrote: 07 Sep 2023 14:01
the jihadis are as delusional today as they ever were, especially in 1947

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Absolutely Chetak ji.

In fact, i would say (though i might be wrong) they are much more delusional now than they were in the 1940s era

Because at that time at least they had to live amongst kufrs, the education was non-islamic, they had not defeated 2 super powahs..... so there was some tempering of their delusions

Later on their route to becoming a 'pure' Islamic society they kept getting more inbred and insular and only listened to their echo chambers (magnified by loudspeakers & loudmouths from their military, media, madarssas and mosques).
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Manish_P wrote: 07 Sep 2023 14:58
chetak wrote: 07 Sep 2023 14:01
the jihadis are as delusional today as they ever were, especially in 1947

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Absolutely Chetak ji.

In fact, i would say (though i might be wrong) they are much more delusional now than they were in the 1940s era

Because at that time at least they had to live amongst kufrs, the education was non-islamic, they had not defeated 2 super powahs..... so there was some tempering of their delusions

Later on their route to becoming a 'pure' Islamic society they kept getting more inbred and insular and only listened to their echo chambers (magnified by loudspeakers & loudmouths from their military, media, madarssas and mosques).



Manish ji,

Recall, if you will, what happened to the last mughal "king" bahadur shah zafar after the revolt of 1857


कितना है बद-नसीब 'ज़फ़र' दफ़्न के लिए. दो गज़ ज़मीन भी न मिली कू-ए-यार में |


and in 1947, they wanted the britshits to "hand" them back their "kingdom"



In Rangoon itself, where the britshits had exiled "king" bahadur shah zafar, along with his family, zafar himself had written-
'...how unlucky is 'zafar' to be buried, even two yards of land was not found in Ku-e-Yaar...'.


What a painful truth it was... According to historian Harbans Mukhia, ' "king" bahadur shah zafar ' wanted to be buried in mehrauli, delhi.


are we to believe that this is the "king" and his lost "kingdom" that these jihadis were and still are pining for.
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chetak wrote: 07 Sep 2023 16:04
and in 1947, they wanted the britshits to "hand" them back their "kingdom"
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are we to believe that this is the "king" and his lost "kingdom" that these jihadis were and still are pining for.
Shahenshahs, Sultans are all incidental. They come and go - plundering, ravaging, killing populations and each other. What ultimately matters is the land. That Dar al-harb become Dar al-Islam.
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Manish_P wrote: 07 Sep 2023 20:56
chetak wrote: 07 Sep 2023 16:04
and in 1947, they wanted the britshits to "hand" them back their "kingdom"
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are we to believe that this is the "king" and his lost "kingdom" that these jihadis were and still are pining for.
Shahenshahs, Sultans are all incidental. They come and go - plundering, ravaging, killing populations and each other. What ultimately matters is the land. That Dar al-harb become Dar al-Islam.

Manish ji,

I get your point and see where you are coming from

I know that the jihadis were very upset that the britshits did not hand over India to them when they departed, the jihadis saw it as their right to succeed to the throne of India (believing in a delusional sovereign to sovereign basis transfer of ruler's rights) which the britshit king vacated and departed...

Starting from this baseline, they aspired, in the post partition scenario, to be handed back a "kingdom" that they largely had lost to the Marathas well before the britshits came into the picture

today, we are in the land of the Dar al-Murg ( for those who partake)


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chetak wrote: 07 Sep 2023 21:47 ..
today, we are in the land of the Dar al-Murg ( for those who partake)
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:rotfl:

I do hope that word is added to the BRF dictionary
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This YT examines the real reason Pukis are expelling Afghans. Also it explores these Qs:
1. Why Pakistan is driving Afghans out? Why isn't India doing the same thing to illegals?
2. Strikes on places like Mianwali - are these dealing a significant blow to Pak Defence?

Col Ajay Raina (R) in PGurus explains:



// some notes;
// The current Army is using the weak position of Pak and its politicos to drive away the Afghans. Their entire strategic depth in Afghanistan is in shambles. Poppy cultivation is decimated, no more aid from US to drive the Rus out of Afghan. Both Taliban and TTP are ISI creations. Puks are facing heavy economic downturn. All the talk on bhai-bhai muslim unity is out of the window. The US has decided to support ISI/Army just to be thorn in India and as hedge against Rus.

Pukes west of the Indus river are Baloch, Afghans and Sindhs - all headaches for PakJabis who live east of the Indus river. The Balochs are tribal and those in Iran are Sunnis (in heartland of Shia territory). All the locations (strikes, killing, aircraft burning) in the news lately are West of the Indus. If ever a split can happen in Pak then west of Indus is bye-bye for the PakJabis and in the north the Afghans are ready to dishonor the Durand line.

What can India do? India is already providing the Afghans with food via Iran, some infra construction help. Many Afghans who are wealthy and important but biding their time because of Taliban, are parked in Delhi with their families. So relationship, understanding, India interest are all being groomed. But there many powers jostling in Afghanistan for their interest, viz., China, US and even Rus. Pakis have the advantage of a) creating taliban and ttp b) dealing with Afghans on their soil and c) of course the Ummah factor.
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I wish these bokwas experts shut up on things they Dont know.
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S Sridhar please note.
#CentralAsia #SaurRevolution

Afghan "prince" who would be tribal president
By Simon Denyer | March 6, 2009 5:50 PM

KABUL (Reuters) - With a grand sweep of his arm, the great-grandson of Afghanistan’s “Iron Amir” says he is the answer to American prayers, the man who can mobilise the country’s tribes to throw out the Taliban and al Qaeda.

“Why are you defending us against our enemies? Has anyone bothered to ask our Afghans if they want to defend themselves?” said Prince Abdul Ali Seraj, the colourful president of the National Council for Dialogue with Tribes of Afghanistan.

“I am the tribes,” says the descendent of Abdul Rahman, the charming, shrewd but brutal ruler who united the country at the end of the 19th century. “Why don’t you come and ask me if I am willing to defend my country against the Taliban and al Qaeda?”

“If I say no, no, no, if I hide behind my wife’s skirts, then you have every right to go and defend me. But I want to defend myself. Just as we dealt with the communists, just as we dealt with the people who came to Afghanistan over the centuries, we will deal with these people.”

Seraj, who has thrown his hat into the ring to become the country’s next president, says U.S.-led forces have ignored Afghanistan’s tribes for the past seven years, mistakenly placing their trust in warlords and politicians.

Instead of sending in more American troops, as President Barack Obama has promised to do, he wants to see the tribes enlisted and armed, to throw out the Taliban and close the porous border with Pakistan where many of the militants shelter.

Instead of viewing all of Afghanistan’s ethnic Pashtuns as Talibs, of giving them the impression the Americans and British want to kill them, the people should be harnessed to the fight.

“If I get my people activated, we will put up a chain that not even one fly will get across the border, not one ounce of drugs will come the other way,” said Seraj, who is in his 60s.

It sounds appealingly easy, but Afghanistan’s ancient tribal structure has been badly undermined, first by Soviet rule, then by warlords, by the Taliban, by political patronage and corruption, and by billions of dollars of drugs money.

Revitalising the tribes will not be easy, and critics say a tribal security force, already being piloted in one province, will just put more guns in the hands of more Afghans.

Seraj looks like an outside bet for the presidency, but he does have influence and may have more of a say in the future of this country than most.

“BRINGING BACK HISTORY”

His house is filled with old photographs of his ancestors, the Barakzai dynasty who ruled Afghanistan from 1818 to 1973. His is an appeal not just to the tribes, but to the ancient past, to what ethnic Pashtun’s call “our dearest kings”.

One by one, he lays business cards on the table of his house, and counts off his ancestors who ruled the nation. “This is Dost Mohammed... this is Abdul Rahman, this is Habibullah, this is Amanullah.... this is Zahir Shah, this is Daoud.”

Then, with a dismissive twist of his wrist, other cards are scattered on the table and the floor. “This is Karzai, this is Ashraf Ghani, that is Jalali,” he scornfully says, dismissing the current president and his rival challengers in the August poll.

“This is 300 years of history that is standing behind you.” he says. “We are bringing the history back to Afghanistan.”

Seraj may be eccentric, but he has a vivid sense of theatre.

When tribal leaders pay him a visit, he sends them away not with money to buy their loyalty, but with a ziplock bag of dirt.

“This is Afghanistan,” he says. “In this dirt is the blood of our people and our forefathers.” Any time you are tempted to betray the nation, take out a piece of dirt and wipe it across your forehead, he urges. “That is your mother.”

But what of the darker side of his great-grandfather’s rule, of the way he effectively made slaves of the entire Hazara people of central Afghanistan as he crushed their independence bid, of the way he converted entire provinces to Islam by the sword?
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“To some historians he is called a tyrant, to other people he is a hero,” he said. “But what did Abdul Rahman give us? He united Afghanistan under one king and one flag.”

Seraj ran a string of businesses in Kabul in the 1960s and 1970s, including the country’s first nightclub.

But when he heard he was on a list of 10 people to be executed after the communist coup in 1978, he fled -- disguised as a hippie, on a bus full of hashish-smoking Australians and Brits.

His American wife and child were at the front of the bus, the long-haired Seraj was at the back. The hippies gave him a guitar. which he could not even play. “When we start playing, you start playing,” they told him.

“Whenever they stopped us at checkpoints and the communist soldiers would get on board, the hippies would light up their hashish pipes. They are strumming their guitars, I am strumming the guitar, and the soldiers would just look at each other and say ‘ah these hippies’”.

He made it to the United States, set himself up in business again, and returned to Afghanistan after the fall of the Taliban.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idINInd ... 9220090306
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Who are ISIS-K?

It seems like the children of AlQaeda are still there in Afghanistan, even while having splintered into multiple factions.
ISIS-K seem to be the strongest faction among them.
Jihad seems to have created an immigration problem. Taliban are now ruing having imported all these foreign jihadis, who are now causing them no end of trouble.

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This is an interesting discussion with Tahir Gora (in Canada) who characterizes the Pukes properly. He has a book with cover picture of Dimran and Army Chief in Arab attire arguing with each other. The book is translated into Urdu. He says that the average Puki has inbuilt hatred against India, Afghanistan, even Iran. The average Puki has contempt for the bengali (BDs) and uses derogatory terms. Also on a personal level, he was born in Pukiland, his daughter was involved in a Paki man, but he forbade her to get involved, stating she is better of marrying a dog rather than a Puki. He says that the society is sick, their minds are corrupted even though they may be educated with college degrees. They think they are Arabs and try to behave more arab than arabs (mata) whereas the arabs treat them like dirt. In terms of breakup, he believes that the army of pukis is very strong to put down any rebellions, except for the balochi resistance (they are more organized than others). If ever a break happens could be balochistan. He claims it will be good if Pukiland were to break up to get away from the downward slide happening, a breakup will free people from the chokehold of the army of Pukes. The chinese are eating away the innards of Pukland.


Tahir Gora • Why do Afghans hate Pakistan? • Hope or Despair in Pakistan? • Lt Gen Ravi Shankar (R)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AqP8X5IlE0
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bala wrote: 31 Dec 2023 03:59 This is an interesting discussion with Tahir Gora (an afghan in Canada) ...


Tahir Gora • Why do Afghans hate Pakistan? • Hope or Despair in Pakistan? • Lt Gen Ravi Shankar (R)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AqP8X5IlE0
Tahir Aslam Gora is a Pakistani and not an Afghani settled in Canada. He is a Punjabi. He is more in synch with Santani ideals.
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https://twitter.com/AzzatAlsaalem/statu ... 9815415952
Afghanistan under sharia rulling of Taliban:
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/fi ... 2d1e&ei=12

Fight grows between Taliban chief and powerful Haqqani network, Qatar delegation

excerpts
A power struggle is reportedly on the rise within the ranks of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban as key figures loyal to Taliban chief Hibatullah Akhundzada are trying to thwart attempts by the powerful Haqqani network to increase its influence in the war-torn nation. The infighting among Taliban factions was on display on Tuesday when a 14-member delegation was prevented from heading to Qatar for the Afghanistan Future Thought Forum, and forcibly disembarked from the plane.
Citing sources, Amu TV reported that the Taliban forced some members of the delegation to disembark from a FlyDubai aircraft, while others, who were scheduled to board an Air Arabia flight, were prevented from boarding. The group was travelling to attend a meeting of the Afghanistan Future Thought Forum in Doha, Qatar, as per the report.

According to the report, the Afghan delegation also consisted of two women, which reportedly was one of the key factors that prompted the ruling Taliban to prevent the group from travelling to Qatar. One major reason behind the move is the ongoing internal power struggle between the Haqqani network and figures loyal to Taliban Supreme Leader Hibatullah Akhundzada, the report said, citing sources.

Jafar Mahdawi was the only member of the delegation allowed to travel to Doha, while those barred from attending included aiz Mohammad Zaland, Aziz Ahmad Haneef, Nazar Mohammad Motmaeen, Injila Ahmadi, and Madina Mahbubi, it said.
According to the Amu TV report, Taliban forces, who recently took control of the Kabul International Airport, were allegedly the ones who prevented the 14-member delegation from travelling to Doha.
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Bigger issues on the way

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tr ... &PC=EMMX01

President Donald Trump on Thursday suggested that he is working to reestablish a U.S. presence at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, four years after America’s chaotic withdrawal from the country left the base in the Taliban’s hands.

We’re trying to get it back,” Trump said of the base in an aside to a question about ending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

While Trump described his call for the U.S. military to reestablish a position in Afghanistan as “breaking news,” the Republican president has previously raised the idea. The White House did not immediately respond to questions about whether it or the Pentagon has done any planning around returning to the sprawling air base, which was central to America's longest war.
He would have never done what he did, except that he didn’t respect the leadership of the United States,” Trump said, speaking of Putin. “They just went through the Afghanistan total disaster for no reason whatsoever. We were going to leave Afghanistan, but we were going to leave it with strength and dignity. We were going to keep Bagram Air Base — one of the biggest air bases in the world. We gave it to them for nothing.”

Asked again about the proposal hours later on Air Force One, Trump offered no details but again bashed Biden for “gross incompetence” and said the base should have “never been given back.”

“It’s one of the most powerful bases in the world in terms of runway strength and length,” he said. “You can land anything on there. You can land a planet on top of it.

It is unclear if the U.S. has any new direct or indirect conversations with the Taliban government about returning to the country. But Trump hinted that the Taliban, who have struggled with an economic crisis, international legitimacy, internal rifts and rival militant groups since their return to power in 2021, could be game to allow the U.S. military to return.

“We’re trying to get it back because they need things from us,” Trump said of the Taliban.

The president repeated his view that a U.S. presence at Bagram is of value because of its proximity to China, the most significant economic and military competitor to the United States.

“But one of the reasons we want that base is, as you know, it’s an hour away from where China makes its nuclear weapons," Trump said. “So a lot of things are happening.”
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Assurances have obviously been given to Chump by Asim Munir to the effect that Pakistan will guarantee and facilitate secure American access to the Bagram airbase via its territory.
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Taliban's initial answer is No Bagram
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24rz9jeyjjo
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A_Gupta wrote: 20 Sep 2025 06:50 Taliban's initial answer is No Bagram
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24rz9jeyjjo
As a Talib leader famously remarked a couple of decades ago - "The US may have all the watches, but we have all the time"

The desperado don will have to give more
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/jais ... 251010.htm
India's Kabul mission made embassy, to launch 6 projects in Afghanistan
Source: PTI, October 10, 2025

India on Friday announced the upgrading of its technical mission in Kabul to the status of an embassy and decided to restart its development projects in Afghanistan with External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar appreciating the Taliban set-up for showing sensitivity towards New Delhi's security concerns.
Jaishankar made the twin announcements during his wide-ranging talks with visiting Afghan Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi for the first time, signalling a new approach in New Delhi's ties with Kabul though it has not yet recognised the Taliban set-up that came to power in August 2021.
Muttaqi, on a six-day trip to India, said Afghanistan will not allow any elements to use its territory against New Delhi's interests and identified the Daesh terror group (ISIS) as the main challenge for the region. He added that Kabul is at the frontlines of this struggle.
Since the Taliban came to power, New Delhi has been insisting that Afghan soil must not be used for any terrorist activities against any country.
The Afghan foreign minister also invited Indian companies to invest in the mining and mineral sector in his country, saying it would help strengthen the bilateral trade relations.
In the talks, the two sides welcomed the commencement of the India-Afghanistan air freight corridor, which is expected to enhance direct trade and commerce between the two countries.
Hours after Jaishankar announced an upgrade of its diplomatic presence in Kabul, Muttaqi told a select group of journalists that Kabul will also send diplomats to India as part of step-by-step efforts to improve the bilateral ties.
India had withdrawn its officials from its embassy in Kabul after the Taliban seized power in August 2021. In June 2022, India re-established its diplomatic presence in the Afghan capital by deploying a "technical team".
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I suppose the Indian objectives are that Afghanistan should not shelter any anti-India activity; and maybe pose a headache to Pakistan.

Does Afghanistan do anything like “unknown gunmen”?
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A_Gupta wrote: 11 Oct 2025 07:11 I suppose the Indian objectives are that Afghanistan should not shelter any anti-India activity; and maybe pose a headache to Pakistan.
Does Afghanistan do anything like “unknown gunmen”?

A_Gupta ji,

afghanistan is not a monolith

there are multiple groups, all vying for power and a slice of the pie

Inevitably, some of these groups will be anti Indian, and some others pro Indian (as pro as a taqiyya driven jihadi ummah can be)

so we need to use a long spoon when supping with the devil and, as always, keep the powder dry

Their objective is to free load on India for food, money, aid, diplomatic assistance to negotiate their way to international recognition so that the katora can be deployed over a much larger geographical region

They are momentarily allied with India, at this point in time because it suits them

regime change in afghanistan is just one suicide vest blast away, or one well placed bullet to the head

And at the end of the day, they hold us in contempt because they once ruled over some parts of India.

It is the same jihadi mentality the world over
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Manish_P wrote: 20 Sep 2025 17:00
A_Gupta wrote: 20 Sep 2025 06:50 Taliban's initial answer is No Bagram
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c24rz9jeyjjo
As a Talib leader famously remarked a couple of decades ago - "The US may have all the watches, but we have all the time"

The desperado don will have to give more
Coincidentally the OM is selling cheap watches, who knows where they are made. He does not care as he knows there are lots of suckers who will buy them.
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Those unknown gunmen may have been Pashtun, according to some the Indians had pathans in their employ.
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chetak wrote: 11 Oct 2025 08:24 ...

there are multiple groups, all vying for power and a slice of the pie

Inevitably, some of these groups will be anti Indian, and some others pro Indian (as pro as a taqiyya driven jihadi ummah can be)
....
Exactly, Chetak sir.

Our rented Afghans need to prevail over their rented Afghans.

One problem is unlike earlier times, the Russians are tied up at the moment

Maybe the Chinese can co-operate? They wouldn't want the Americans too close right...
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I think it's worth spending a few hundred million $$ to build dams across Kabul river (and other tributaries of Indus river).
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Manish_P wrote: 11 Oct 2025 09:30
chetak wrote: 11 Oct 2025 08:24 ...

there are multiple groups, all vying for power and a slice of the pie

Inevitably, some of these groups will be anti Indian, and some others pro Indian (as pro as a taqiyya driven jihadi ummah can be)
....
Exactly, Chetak sir.

Our rented Afghans need to prevail over their rented Afghans.

One problem is unlike earlier times, the Russians are tied up at the moment

Maybe the Chinese can co-operate? They wouldn't want the Americans too close right...


Manish ji,

warlords have their own tried and tested methods of governance, until another warlord comes along and tries out his tested method, usually announcing his appearance with a bang

we need well clued up local intelligence assets beholden to us to prevent such surprises

That requires generous dispensation of favors, and the lavish application of vitamin m by an inhouse team of resident experts who are capable of reading the spoor by discerning the scents of change and be perceptive of the tiniest of movements of the shifting sands in the local terrain.

the ummah factor would be working against us, so our guys would need to double down by also using some of the contacts developed by other interested and sympathetic parties operating in the same region

the only other interested and sympathetic parties would be the russkis (and possibly some of the old assets and remnants of surviving networks of their soviet era intelligence resources in this region and ecosystem along with active networks from some of the friendly CARs). All of them have been operating in this region for many decades now.

the amrikis and the cheen are the two prongs of the same spear being thrust at India by the geopolitics of their temporarily intersecting interests of keeping India from launching out on her own
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Seems like afghans are handing the porkies their tashreef at the border . Tons of videos in telegram .
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Border tensions rise: 'Heavy clashes' against Pakistan on border areas, says Taliban; calls it 'retaliation for air strikes'
The Taliban forces said "heavy" clashes erupted along the Afghanistan-Pakistan borde. The details on nature of the clash or the exact magnitude remains unclear. Pakistan has also not confirmed any details around the same.
“In retaliation for the air strikes by Pakistani forces,” Taliban border forces in the east “engaged in heavy clashes against Pakistani forces’ posts in various border areas,” the Afghan military said in a statement, quoted by AFP.
This comes after the recent tense situation prevailing between the two nations.
The Taliban government on Friday accused Pakistan of carrying out airstrikes on a border town, alleging a breach of Afghanistan’s sovereignty after two late-night explosions in Kabul. “Pakistan violated Afghanistan’s airspace, bombing a civilian market in the Marghi area of Paktika near the Durand Line and also violating Kabul’s sovereign territory,” the defence ministry said in a social media post.

"This is an unprecedented, violent, and provocative act, we strongly condemn this violation of Afghan airspace, and defending our territory is our right," the statement added.
The alleged attack comes as Taliban's foreign minister Amir Khan Muttaqi visited New Delhi.

Meanwhile, late Thursday, Afghanistan spokesperson Zabihullah said an explosion was heard in Kabul, but no damage was reported and investigations were ongoing. Then, on Friday, India and Afghanistan described Pakistan-sponsored cross-border terrorism as a “shared threat” to both nations.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... tan-border
Heavy clashes erupt along Pakistan-Afghanistan border
Haroon Janjua, Sat 11 Oct 2025

Escalation comes after Pakistani airstrike in Kabul, with Taliban launching reprisals against military posts
Intense clashes erupted along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border on Saturday night after an attack by the Taliban on Pakistani military posts.

This escalation comes after a Pakistani airstrike in Kabul this week, as reported by security officials from both nations.
Taliban forces launched armed reprisals against Pakistani troops, alleging that Islamabad had conducted airstrikes on Afghan territory, according to senior Taliban officials from various provinces. They claimed to have seized two Pakistani border posts in the southern province of Helmand, which was confirmed by local authorities.
Pakistani security officials acknowledged clashes at several border locations, stating they were responding forcefully. “Tonight, Taliban forces began firing at several border points. We retaliated with artillery at four locations along the border,” a Pakistani government official told the Guardian.
“We will not tolerate any aggression from the Afghan Taliban within our territory. Pakistani forces responded with heavy fire, effectively targeting several Afghan border posts,” the official added.
The Pakistan army used artillery, tanks and both light and heavy weaponry in their counterattacks.
On Thursday, two explosions were reported in the Afghan capital and another in southeastern Afghanistan. The Taliban-run defence ministry subsequently accused Pakistan of “violating its sovereignty” in connection with the attacks.
Analysts said recent days showed just how deep the border tensions run.
Michael Kugelman, a South Asia analyst based in Washington DC, said: “Intensifying cross-border attacks on Pakistani forces, unusually intense Pakistani strikes in Afghanistan, and Taliban retaliations have created a perfect storm for trouble. If you throw in the fact that Afghanistan doesn’t recognise the border, as well as the proliferation of disinformation about the crisis, it all makes for a precarious situation.”
Islamabad has expressed growing impatience with Kabul, refraining from confirming or denying involvement in the airstrikes.
While Islamabad has not explicitly claimed responsibility for the attacks, it has called on Kabul to cease harbouring the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), which is accused of killing hundreds of Pakistani soldiers since 2021 and is believed to have received combat training in Afghanistan, sharing ideological ties with the Afghan Taliban.
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saip wrote: 11 Oct 2025 09:13
Manish_P wrote: 20 Sep 2025 17:00

As a Talib leader famously remarked a couple of decades ago - "The US may have all the watches, but we have all the time"

The desperado don will have to give more
Coincidentally the OM is selling cheap watches, who knows where they are made. He does not care as he knows there are lots of suckers who will buy them.
TDS is polluting every thread. :rotfl: Brutum fulmen :lol:
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After uproar, Afghanistan Foreign Minister Muttaqi calls another press meet, this time inviting women journos
Amir Khan Muttaqi Delhi Press Meet: During his earlier media interaction on Friday evening, a day after landing in New Delhi for a week-long India visit, the Taliban leader had come under fire for discriminatory behaviour for “not allowing” women journalists, sparking massive outrage.
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