International Aerospace Discussion - Jan 2018

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Gripen E/F uses the GE F414 turbofan.

Saab receives Gripen E/F order for Thailand
https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-rel ... r-thailand
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Rakesh wrote: 25 Aug 2025 20:59 Gripen E/F uses the GE F414 turbofan.

Saab receives Gripen E/F order for Thailand
https://www.saab.com/newsroom/press-rel ... r-thailand
25 August 2025
https://x.com/zone5aviation/status/1959956943168303124 ---> 139 million USD a pop, incl offsets, for four jets. Interesting benchmark.
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SpaceX has its own priorities and considerations and this is not an attempt to compare with ISRO. However, the sheer scale of its vision is mind boggling:

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/09/s ... unch-site/

Their goal is to have near daily launches of the monster Starship. Given that they have built it as a factory product, the economies of scale will be huge. They seem to have all bases covered: reusability, massive lift capacity and cadence. It will be very hard to compete with it and I believe the competition is at least 7-8 years behind.
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RTX's Raytheon achieves longest known AMRAAM® shot
https://www.rtx.com/news/news-center/20 ... mraam-shot
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Russia Jet Powered Drones are immune to electronic countermeasures - Ukraine military intelligence
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia- ... ays-2025-9
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$285 million per plane.... :lol:

This obviously includes weapons, training and other supporting Infrastructure....but still... :lol:

Peru cleared for possible $3.42 billion F-16 Block 70 buy
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Out of Sight, Out of Mind: Signals from 50% of older Geostationary satellites above North America can be intercepted by commercial off-the shelf equipment costing less than USD 1000.

An interesting article from PCMag covers how University of California, San Diego and University of Maryland researchers uncovered a security blind spot. Here's a link to their paper

Interesting nuggets uncovered were individual voice data, ATM info, Remote grid instrumentation data and even military data. Wonder if the same is the case for our satellites.
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If its unencrypted, then yeah.
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/s ... wing-down/

There are now 10006 Starlink satellites in orbit. By any measure this is a phenomenal achievement. Imagine the infrastructure and automation required for tracking and control of each of these… It also gives the US a massive strategic capability that no other country possesses.
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Tanaji wrote: 21 Oct 2025 00:55 https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/s ... wing-down/

There are now 10006 Starlink satellites in orbit. By any measure this is a phenomenal achievement. Imagine the infrastructure and automation required for tracking and control of each of these… It also gives the US a massive strategic capability that no other country possesses.
I am more impressed by the frequency with which they can launch the heavy rockets.... And even more by how they can recover and reuse them.

We Indians are born re-users. We re-purpose and re-use everything from childhood.

We need to build recoverable and reusable rockets soon.
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The US Navy lost a F18 F super hornet and a MH-60 Sea Hawk, from the carrier Nimitz, within a few hours in the South China sea.

All 5 aviators recovered safely
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https://x.com/accidentalproX/status/1979987008174084382 ---> Twin seater Rafale B with an external jammer pod...something along the lines of a twin-seater F-18 Growler.

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Taiwan to seek compensation for delayed F-16V deliveries
https://defence-blog.com/taiwan-to-seek ... eliveries/
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Beautiful videography. A must see for fans of aviation

RIAT 2025 - Air to Air Arrivals

https://youtu.be/dbZhvGbbt-8?si=deM2xpPIMVvTLUP2
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https://x.com/RafaleFan/status/1985391364268339376 ---> Curtain call for the 2025 season of the Rafale Solo Display.

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Link below is in French. Please use Google Translate (https://translate.google.ca/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites) to read in English. Copy the link below into the Google Translate link provided.

In Indonesia the French Rafale is yes, the Chinese J-10 is no!
https://www.avionslegendaires.net/2025/ ... -cest-non/
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Link below is in French. Please use Google Translate (https://translate.google.ca/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites) to read in English. Copy the link below into the Google Translate link provided.

Greek air force wants to acquire more Rafale F4 to keep the advantage over Turkish aviation
https://www.opex360.com/2025/11/06/la-f ... on-turque/
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Link below is in French. Please use Google Translate (https://translate.google.ca/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites) to read in English. Copy the link below into the Google Translate link provided.

SCAF: For General Mandon, the challenge will be to develop a 12-ton thrust engine
https://www.opex360.com/2025/11/06/scaf ... e-poussee/
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Germany walks out of the FCAS program. Repeat of the Euro-canard fight that spawned the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon.

https://x.com/InfosMinutesFR/status/198 ... 30973?s=20 ---> Germany is preparing its withdrawal from the 6th-generation fighter jet project alongside France. Berlin is reportedly working on its own fighter jet with other European partners.

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Rakesh wrote: 15 Nov 2025 03:12 Germany walks out of the FCAS program. Repeat of the Euro-canard fight that spawned the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon.
As expected and predicted here on BRF many many moons ago
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LoI has to translate into orders, but the desire to acquire 100 Rafales is huge.

https://x.com/L_ThinkTank/status/199038 ... 63060?s=20 ---> France and Ukraine sign a letter of intent for the purchase of 100 Rafale aircraft, which would make Kyiv the world's second-largest Rafale fleet behind Paris.

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Rakesh wrote: 17 Nov 2025 20:14 LoI has to translate into orders, but the desire to acquire 100 Rafales is huge.

https://x.com/L_ThinkTank/status/199038 ... 63060?s=20 ---> France and Ukraine sign a letter of intent for the purchase of 100 Rafale aircraft, which would make Kyiv the world's second-largest Rafale fleet behind Paris.
# of Rafales in service/on order worldwide;
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale)

• Croatian Air Force – 12
• Egyptian Air Force – 54
• French Air Force - 185
• French Navy - 40
• Greek Air Force - 24
• Indian Air Force - 36
• Indian Navy - 26
• Indonesian Air Force - 42
• Serbia - 12
• Qatar - 36
• UAE - 80

If Ukraine orders 100 Rafales, the total Rafale production will hit ~ 650 aircraft. Now if the 114 MRFA order + a follow-on Indian Navy order goes through, Dassault is looking at a production run of nearly 800 aircraft. Comparatively, the Mirage 2000 had a production run of 601 aircraft. For Dassault, this is a production coup and will reap monetary benefits for its FCAS program and the turbofan that will power it. With Germany walking out of the FCAS program, a Ukraine order will be hugely beneficial - monetarily - for Dassault. For France's relatively minuscule Military Industrial Complex (MIC) - when compared to the United States - this is huge. Eric Trappier (CEO of Dassault) has made his shareholders happy! :)

With the MRO facilities being established in India for the M88 turbofan and the airframe itself, expect Dassault to transfer a sizeable chunk of work to India for both the IAF/IN and international customers. The line at Merignac will continue to produce new build Rafales and service existing Rafales for European customers (France, Croatia, Serbia, etc...possibly Ukraine), while an "expected" Indian line will do the same for Middle Eastern, South East Asian and home (IAF/IN) customers.
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Rakesh wrote: 17 Nov 2025 20:14 LoI has to translate into orders, but the desire to acquire 100 Rafales is huge.
Yanks are not paying and the europeans don't have the money. Simple.
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