India-US relations: News and Discussions IV

[drnayar]

Sharing an NYT article about how v\Accepting an argument from a law professor that no party to the case had made, the Supreme Court handed the Trump administration a stinging loss that could lead to more aggressive tactics.
How a Scholar Nudged the Supreme Court Toward Its Troop Deployment Ruling

https://archive.ph/lYLtW

[uddu]

India Draws a Red Line for US Trade Deal, Modi vs Trump Escalates H1B Visa Issue I Aadi

[chetak]

[saip]

Is this ten year old statistic?

[sanjaykumar]

I can understand Pakistani beating white Americans. With all three wives working at the cash till. But philipinos?

[Amber G.]

^^^Here’s a latest (2023–2024) disaggregated look at median household income by detailed Asian ethnic groups — the closest publicly-reported breakdown that matches the style of the older chart. It’s not a chart image but these are current, comparable figures from Pew Research Center and U.S. Census-derived data that researchers are using for 2023 ACS median income by Asian origin:

Median Household Income by Asian Ethnic Group (2023, U.S. Households)


Indian-American – $151,200 (highest among Asian groups)
Taiwanese-American – $133,300
Asian-American overall (aggregate) – $105,600
(From Pew Research Center -)

(Other groups from Wikipedia ACS tabulations – 2022 ACS basis):
Wikipedia
Filipino – about $109,090
Pakistani – about $106,281
Chinese – about $101,728
Sri Lankan – about $96,641
Japanese – about $94,319
Nepalese – about $92,262
Korean – about $91,261
Hmong – about $88,572
Vietnamese – about $84,572
Bangladeshi – about $80,288
Laotian – about $78,551
Burmese – about $69,281

The first three numbers above (Indian, Taiwanese, and the overall Asian median) are from updated Pew
The rest come from public data compilations of detailed ACS ethnicity estimates (most recently aggregated from Wikipedia using ACS 2022 figures).
Asian households: $112,800 (highest)
Non-Hispanic White households: $89,050
Hispanic households (any race): $65,540
Black or African American households: $56,490
Overall U.S. median household income (all races): $80,610
About $83,730 overall in 2024 (not statistically different from 2023).

[Rakesh]

From Darling to Discarded: Trump’s Second-Term Shift on India
https://www.sinification.org/p/from-dar ... irect=true
18 Dec 2025

"...a future 'contest for second place' between America and India in overall national power and economic size is entirely possible."

[A_Gupta]

There is a very "mature" way of looking at Trump within here. Also good exposition of India's positions.


This video was originally published by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs.

India has become a key player in global affairs, maintaining relationships with superpowers and regional partners alike.

Following September's high-profile China-Russia-India meeting, how is New Delhi balancing relationships with Washington, Beijing, and Moscow while pursuing strategic autonomy?

What do these diplomatic engagements signal about India's long-term strategy?

What are the opportunities and challenges of India's approach, and how might it evolve?

Join us for a conversation with Samir Saran and Leslie Vinjamuri as they discuss India's foreign policy strategy and its global implications.

Speakers:

Dr. Leslie Vinjamuri, President & Chief Executive Officer, Chicago Council on Global Affairs

Dr. Saran, President of the Observer Research Foundation (ORF), New Delhi, India

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AS0C42o-pM

[krithivas]

The article was an interesting read. It summarizes India’s predicament very well. BUT it remains a Chinese POV and on an overdrive to drive the narrative of the Indo-US schism. And for bonus provides an insight of Chinese self-aggrandizement where they fancy China on top, and others fighting for the second and third.

PS: Next year will be difficult (physical safety) for people of Indian origin and places of worship in the US.

From Darling to Discarded: Trump’s Second-Term Shift on India
https://www.sinification.org/p/from-dar ... irect=true
18 Dec 2025

"...a future 'contest for second place' between America and India in overall national power and economic size is entirely possible."

[A_Gupta]

Who is Ricky Gill, the Indian-origin 'wunderkind' awarded for India-Pak truce
Story by India Today News Desk
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/wh ... r-AA1TgeyL

Gill, an Indian-origin adviser to US President Donald Trump, has now shot into the limelight after he was awarded for his role in "negotiating" the ceasefire between India and Pakistan following Operation Sindoor this year.

The National Security Council's Distinguished Action Award for Gill is being viewed by many in India as a soft push by Trump to peddle his favourite assertion that he mediated the May 10 truce between the two nuclear-powered countries - a claim that has been vociferously rejected by India on several occasions.

Though this award is widely reported, I cannot find the date, venue of award, citation, or any official statement. Google AI says - since it is an NSC award, don't expect to find any of these. IMO, it might very well be psyops.

Microsoft Copilot says: "Here’s the bottom line: based on all available search results, there is no publicly released official NSC statement, no White House press release, and no publicly available photo of the award ceremony for Ranjit “Ricky” Singh Gill receiving the NSC Distinguished Action Award earlier this month."

[Amber G.]

From U.S. Embassy India: [/b]]

New year loading... but first, the rewind! Take a look back at the top moments that shaped the U.S-India partnership this year, while we get ready for another year of even stronger #USIndia ties.




I know this crowd—not all but most of the vocal Trump supporters, and I, among a few, was the outcast.,, But let me say it plainly: the embassy post is a joke. After tariffs, visa shakedowns, and bullying Indians, the peacemaker act is snake oil. No American or Indian will buy it.

The slide show is an insult to anyone with basic knowledge and intelligence. More productive would be honest articulation of major issues that need to be resolved with open minds.

Even X is having community notes:

Yes, U.S and India Partnership started on very positive. But then Potus threw the Bi Partisan diplomatic succes and partnership with India out of window by first putting 50% Tarrif, Putting 100K visa fee, harassing Indians, and then claiming lead peacemaker between IND and PAK.

Others are even more causing..

The 2026 U.S EMBASSY INDIA video on the relations is a joke.
@realDonaldTrump Needs to get back to reality. The Americans aren't buying this snake oil.
@marcorubio @JDVance @narendramodi @DrSJaishankar

[drnayar]

I know this crowd—not all but most of the vocal Trump supporters, and I, among a few, was the outcast.,, But let me say it plainly: the embassy post is a joke. After tariffs, visa shakedowns, and bullying Indians, the peacemaker act is snake oil. No American or Indian will buy it.

From U.S. Embassy India:
New year loading... but first, the rewind! Take a look back at the top moments that shaped the U.S-India partnership this year, while we get ready for another year of even stronger #USIndia ties.

Even X is having community notes:

Yes, U.S and India Partnership started on very positive. But then Potus threw the Bi Partisan diplomatic succes and partnership with India out of window by first putting 50% Tarrif, Putting 100K visa fee, harassing Indians, and then claiming lead peacemaker between IND and PAK.

Others are even more causing..

The 2026 U.S EMBASSY INDIA video on the relations is a joke.
@realDonaldTrump Needs to get back to reality. The Americans aren't buying this snake oil.
@marcorubio @JDVance @narendramodi @DrSJaishankar

The Russian s are now on record saying the CIA is now on a full war against Putin.. as usual orange man is bumbling along ...India / Modi is also a target., one just have to look at the list of people RaGa is meeting.

[Rudradev]

One thing I don't understand.

Anyone with above-room temperature IQ who meets Rahul Gandhi realizes instantly that he is an idiot. This holds true for all international actors who harbour an agenda against India, Modi etc.

The only question to remain in their minds is: is he a useful idiot? Can I make use of this idiot, or is he too much of an idiot so that any investment in him is going down the drain?

For years, many hostile actors seemed to give him the benefit of the doubt, investing in him with money, resources, promotional efforts, networking etc in the hope that he would unseat Modi and return India to slavery.

But it has now been almost 12 years and all he has demonstrated is one failure after another, diminishing credibility as a politician and an increasing tendency to sound unhinged & anti-national.

Yet they keep inviting him, sponsoring him, and meeting him. Why is that? Do they really think he remains their best and only hope (such as he is) of dominating India once again? Is it that they refuse to recognize a sunk cost fallacy in continuing to back him, because institutional inertia dictates that starting over with some new puppet is too risky and requires too much effort?

Or are they publicly entertaining him only to distract us (and Modi sarkar)? Is he the decoy for our attention so that we focus on him as their weapon of choice, while in fact the real game is somewhere else?

[vera_k]

^ Less about the person and more because the opposition is barren as a desert. Although if the urban legend is true, AAP is the long term alternative.

[drnayar]

One thing I don't understand.

Anyone with above-room temperature IQ who meets Rahul Gandhi realizes instantly that he is an idiot. This holds true for all international actors who harbour an agenda against India, Modi etc.

The only question to remain in their minds is: is he a useful idiot? Can I make use of this idiot, or is he too much of an idiot so that any investment in him is going down the drain?

For years, many hostile actors seemed to give him the benefit of the doubt, investing in him with money, resources, promotional efforts, networking etc in the hope that he would unseat Modi and return India to slavery.

But it has now been almost 12 years and all he has demonstrated is one failure after another, diminishing credibility as a politician and an increasing tendency to sound unhinged & anti-national.

Yet they keep inviting him, sponsoring him, and meeting him. Why is that? Do they really think he remains their best and only hope (such as he is) of dominating India once again? Is it that they refuse to recognize a sunk cost fallacy in continuing to back him, because institutional inertia dictates that starting over with some new puppet is too risky and requires too much effort?

Or are they publicly entertaining him only to distract us (and Modi sarkar)? Is he the decoy for our attention so that we focus on him as their weapon of choice, while in fact the real game is somewhere else?

He is the decoy ., the real actors are very much in India !!

[drnayar]

^ Less about the person and more because the opposition is barren as a desert. Although if the urban legend is true, AAP is the long term alternative.

"was" the farmer protests were nicely gamed. Modi saw through this. his one sentence calling off the farm law acts " in national interests"

it will come in another avatar