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Rakesh wrote: 23 Feb 2026 21:47
Rakesh wrote: 23 Feb 2026 21:32 India to weigh Israeli ‘Sky Sting’ long-range air-to-air missile during PM Modi visit
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... modi-visit
22 Feb 2026
https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/2025 ... 26991?s=20 ---> Much has been said about the upcoming India-Israel Sky Sting missile agreement already with valid points on all sides. Please allow me to weigh in with my 0.02 below.

1) The Sky Sting program as planned is on the lines of the MRSAM program and will complement the Astra BVRAAM & Gandiva, just like the MRSAM program complements the Akash & upcoming KUSHA programs.

2) There is no immediate buy or induction, but rather co-development with manufacturing that will happen. Just like MRSAM. India will have IP rights.

3) This program is part of the Israeli pivot towards manufacturing defence equipment in India & overall benefits the Indian military industrial sector with global acceptance.

4) As on date, the Astra BVRAAM program has a 110 km missile, the Astra Mk2 will push that to ~ 200 km. The Sky Sting is important not because of range, but because of it's massive NEZ - of some 160 km - which exceeds the current champion METEOR by 50+ km.
What's the NEZ of Astra MK-2 if the range of the missile is similar to Sky Sting missile from Israel? 160? 165? So what is there that need joint venture in this area? This is opening another backdoor to push for export, when it's not possible to sell same type of missile, with same range to India. So joint-venture and IP rights. Also note that we have tested Gandiva missile already and the range of it is 340km. So what is there to learn from the Israeli's? Gandiva MK1 can be ordered now rather than spend money unnecessarily on foreign missiles.
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Vayushakti 2026 | Countdown has begun | 3 Days to go

On February 27, 2026, the Indian Air Force gears up for a high-intensity firing demonstration at Pokhran Air-to-Ground Range, Jaisalmer, to demonstrate combat dominance and operational excellence in safeguarding national security.

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uddu wrote: 24 Feb 2026 12:27

What's the NEZ of Astra MK-2 if the range of the missile is similar to Sky Sting missile from Israel? 160? 165? So what is there that need joint venture in this area? This is opening another backdoor to push for export, when it's not possible to sell same type of missile, with same range to India. So joint-venture and IP rights. Also note that we have tested Gandiva missile already and the range of it is 340km. So what is there to learn from the Israeli's? Gandiva MK1 can be ordered now rather than spend money unnecessarily on foreign missiles.
This has been an issue for decades, ArunS demonstrated many times. It seems for desi stuff we under report the performance calling it classified, which obviously can never match the exaggerated brochure specs of others. TBH, I think NEZ for any missile is classified, but ranges are exaggerated.
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Not that I am happy but I think Pantsir gives them an in between solution that is movable with missiles and guns … between Shilkas and AD missiles like Barack’s and Akash . We don’t have an equivalent vehicle - that should have been developed.. but they will probably study Pantsir and later make their own under MKI. Since we have IACCS. Let’s hope it integrates better than in Ukr…

In don’t know where VSHORADs miss out …
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2,000-Km Reach, Faster Than BrahMos: India Weighs Israel's 'Golden Horizon' Missile Offer
https://www.news18.com/india/2000-km-re ... 24438.html
24 Feb 2026
Golden Horizon is tailored for hardened and deeply buried targets, such as underground command bunkers, reinforced military infrastructure and nuclear-related facilities.
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VIDEO: https://x.com/shreedharsingh9/status/20 ... 10297?s=20 ---> Refulling prope of Jaguar most likely Darin 3.

https://x.com/highmach_yara/status/2025 ... 31944?s=20 --->
- Yes; a Jaguar
- No; not Darin-III but rather GR1A
- No; not Indian but English

Just like you id MiG-23 & MiG-27 by looking at the nose, as -23s have radar while -27s have a EO sight; here too you look at the nose. The notched appearance of the nose means it has an older EO sight.

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Rakesh wrote: 25 Feb 2026 20:30 ...
- No; not Indian but English
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The pound currency sign in the background kind of gives it away :)
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Manish_P wrote: 26 Feb 2026 10:49 The pound currency sign in the background kind of gives it away :)
Not that picture Sirji. Please click on the video link in my post.
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Pokhran sky lights up with epic drone show of IAF's full dress rehearsal for Exercise Vayu Shakti’26

Drone show at the Indian Air Force's full dress rehearsal for Exercise Vayu Shakti- 2026 at the Chandan Field Firing Range in Pokhran, Jaisalmer. The exercise is scheduled to be held on 27th February.

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Akash direct hit

Watch: How Akash Missiles Destroyed Enemy Aircrafts During Op Sindoor

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LIVE TELECAST - EXERCISE VAYUSHAKTI 2026

Exercise Vayu Shakti is a demonstration of the IAF's capability to deliver weapons with long range, precision capability as well as conventional weapons accurately, on time and with devastating effect, while operating from multiple air bases. Special operations by the IAF transport and helicopter fleets, involving the Garuds and Indian Army elements will also be on display.

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The Vayushakti telecast was better in some areas than previous years, but still leaves room for improvement, especially in the commentary and camera work. Few observations.
- No use of parachute equipped flares to simulate aerial targets. Target aircraft used for all air-air and surface-air engagements. It was also mentioned these were used during Op. Sindoor to simulate fighter aircraft.
- Akash scored direct hits both in the day and night. Spyder and L-70 also scored direct hits.
- Mica from Rafale scored a direct hit. R73 from Su-30 missed - could not see where the missile went after launch. Seemed like the Sukhoi pitched up to launch the missile but Rafale launched in level flight.
- Su-30 had some malfunction during one bombing run and aborted the strike.
- Loitering munition attack display. Don't remember if this was done before.
- Para SF were embedded with the Garuds, but could not identify any difference in uniforms.
- C295 landed at the strip for the first time.
- Even though we had a drone with thermal/IR cameras, it was not used as much - especially at night when the regular camera struggled to track.
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IMO - su-30 is coming up a cropper in almost all the engagements!
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V_Raman wrote: 01 Mar 2026 22:16 IMO - su-30 is coming up a cropper in almost all the engagements!
The IAF can upgrade with just the Virupaksha radar and systems that can be upgraded easily on the Su-30MKI. But they again want to take Russian help, giving the biggest beautiful deal to the Russians, probably ending up non performing systems and getting caught by surprise. The attitude change must come from within the IAF. Until that change, the Atmanirbhar push is just plain fooling the public.
With much more Russian systems, the planned NGCCM will not work them and again need to purchase more Russian missiles to cater to these upgrades.
India Weighs Dual Upgrade Plan to Fast-Track Su-30MKI Modernization
https://defence.newsd.in/military/air-f ... ernization
27 Feb 2026 at 7:22 PM IST
Right now, India has many Su-30MKI jets. The local upgrade plan will first cover 84 aircraft. But there are still 175 more jets that also need improvements. So the Air Force is also talking with Russia for a second path. This is being done so there is no “capability valley” in the coming years. The upgrades could take ten to fifteen years, and the Air Force does not want to lose strength during this long time.

Then there is this news.
About 75% of The Sukhoi Su-30MKI Fleet Roughly 200 Aircraft Is Slated For The ‘Super Sukhoi’ Upgrade Program: IAF Chief
Saturday, October 04, 2025
https://www.indiandefensenews.in/2025/1 ... fleet.html
About 75% of the Indian Air Force’s Sukhoi Su-30MKI fleet — roughly 200 out of 272 aircraft — is expected to undergo the comprehensive ‘Super Sukhoi’ upgrade program, according to the IAF Chief.

Even if the upgrades to Su-30MKI is done in batches, the IAF should and must stick to same systems that is going into the Super Sukhoi program. Initial upgrades can start much quickly on whatever work is first completed on the Su-30MKI test platforms. Be it Virupaksha radar or other systems and those too can be done in batches.
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All eyes where on Rafael so MKI suffered. Rambha lost to katrina.
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Multi-Billion S-400 Deal Cleared As Indian Navy Inks ₹2,300 Crore Missile Contract
https://www.timesnownews.com/india/mult ... -153742157
03 March 2026
Defence Procurement Board clears 5 more S-400 systems from Russia after Operation Sindoor. Navy also signs Rs 2,300 crore Shtil air-defence deal.
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Indian Air Force gets defence board nod to buy 5 S-400s from Russia
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 75784.html
04 March 2026
The board, headed by defence secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh, accepted the IAF proposal which will now go to the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC).
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Wasn’t Shiv Aroor simping for American jets in the MMRCA competition or was that someone else?

Why India Has Never Bought American Fighter Jets
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/iran-is ... s-11167520
05 March 2026
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Tanaji wrote: 04 Mar 2026 21:41 Wasn’t Shiv Aroor simping for American jets in the MMRCA competition or was that someone else?
I cannot remember Aroor simping, but there were others who were clearly on the American payroll. One even shamelessly was parroting the virtues of the F-18E/F Super Hornet in relation to the Rafale (during the MRCBF contest). The propaganda was so bad, that logic went out the window. I called him out on X for it, dude did not reply. And obviously he would not.

But regardless of what Aroor wrote in the article, the IAF already operates an American fighter. It is called Tejas and there is no desire to change course. Bought transport aircraft, transport helicopters, attack helicopters, etc from Unkil...but will not buy fighters from them. That is highlighted as strategic autonomy. But your own homegrown fighter having a US-origin turbofan is perfectly fine. And all the incoming platforms (Tejas Mk2, AMCA) and the proposed platforms (TEDBF, HLFT-42, etc) will have the same setup. Clowns.

P.S. The irony of the Tejas is that the GOI has the audacity to call the program indigenous, when it is clearly not.
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India Plans $6.1 Billion Procurement of Ten Russian S-400 Air Defence Battalions to Double Existing Arsenal
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/artic ... ons-double
03 March 2026
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basant wrote: 25 Feb 2026 14:27
uddu wrote: 24 Feb 2026 12:27

What's the NEZ of Astra MK-2 if the range of the missile is similar to Sky Sting missile from Israel? 160? 165? So what is there that need joint venture in this area? This is opening another backdoor to push for export, when it's not possible to sell same type of missile, with same range to India. So joint-venture and IP rights. Also note that we have tested Gandiva missile already and the range of it is 340km. So what is there to learn from the Israeli's? Gandiva MK1 can be ordered now rather than spend money unnecessarily on foreign missiles.
This has been an issue for decades, ArunS demonstrated many times. It seems for desi stuff we under report the performance calling it classified, which obviously can never match the exaggerated brochure specs of others. TBH, I think NEZ for any missile is classified, but ranges are exaggerated.
To add to it.
It seems my work and arguments on BR was noted by powers to be (in dilli and bidesh) more than a decade ago. It influenced dragon and Roosi policies wrt Bharat, overall it resulted in positives for Bharat.

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Rakesh wrote: 05 Mar 2026 18:29
Tanaji wrote: 04 Mar 2026 21:41 Wasn’t Shiv Aroor simping for American jets in the MMRCA competition or was that someone else?
I cannot remember Aroor simping, but there were others who were clearly on the American payroll. One even shamelessly was parroting the virtues of the F-18E/F Super Hornet in relation to the Rafale (during the MRCBF contest). The propaganda was so bad, that logic went out the window. I called him out on X for it, dude did not reply. And obviously he would not.

But regardless of what Aroor wrote in the article, the IAF already operates an American fighter. It is called Tejas and there is no desire to change course. Bought transport aircraft, transport helicopters, attack helicopters, etc from Unkil...but will not buy fighters from them. That is highlighted as strategic autonomy. But your own homegrown fighter having a US-origin turbofan is perfectly fine. And all the incoming platforms (Tejas Mk2, AMCA) and the proposed platforms (TEDBF, HLFT-42, etc) will have the same setup. Clowns.

The irony of the Tejas is that the GOI has the audacity to call the program indigenous, when it is clearly not.
@Rakesh bhai
Lol .... calling Tejas a yankee phyterr !

Indian propensity to self flaggeration is so rediculeous. I see you get those seizures too!

Yet like all Indians with memory recall of convenience and grandious claims, we all miss till date your tonnes of "mithai" destribution declaration.... Akula ??
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Rakesh wrote: 05 Mar 2026 18:29 P.S. The irony of the Tejas is that the GOI has the audacity to call the program indigenous, when it is clearly not.
Wow Rakesh ji, You have seen the development of the Tejas for decades, the efforts being put in to it and why in the world you want to call it Yankee? Just because of the engines?
The Radome, radars, Avionics, HUD, to design to wings to tail all Indian. Even the tyres. MRF from Madras Rubber Factory. Can anything be more desi then that? :)
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uddu wrote: 07 Mar 2026 09:59
Rakesh wrote: 05 Mar 2026 18:29 P.S. The irony of the Tejas is that the GOI has the audacity to call the program indigenous, when it is clearly not.
Wow Rakesh ji, You have seen the development of the Tejas for decades, the efforts being put in to it and why in the world you want to call it Yankee? Just because of the engines?
The Radome, radars, Avionics, HUD, to design to wings to tail all Indian. Even the tyres. MRF from Madras Rubber Factory. Can anything be more desi then that? :)
The "Indian" radome, radar, avionics, HUD, etc will work how exactly without an engine?

The very heart of the plane is American. It powers the radar and the avionics. How much longer are we going to rely on the Amreekis?

Any word on when the sixth engine is coming from Amreeka to power the sixth Mk1A?

Six should be enough I believe to handle the PLAAF.
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Haridas wrote: 07 Mar 2026 07:23 Lol .... calling Tejas a yankee phyterr !

Indian propensity to self flaggeration is so rediculeous. I see you get those seizures too!

Yet like all Indians with memory recall of convenience and grandious claims, we all miss till date your tonnes of "mithai" destribution declaration.... Akula ??
Haridas-ji, yankee phyterr it is Saar....because it uses a Yankee engine. No engine, no Tejas.

Sirjee, I did say Akula-II :)
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Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 10:12 ...
Haridas-ji, yankee phyterr it is Saar....because it uses a Yankee engine. No engine, no Tejas.
...
Admiral sir, HAL has shown that we can make a non-american Tejas.

It won't fly of course, but hey it's good enough for posing with full atma-vishwas.

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Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 10:10
uddu wrote: 07 Mar 2026 09:59
Wow Rakesh ji, You have seen the development of the Tejas for decades, the efforts being put in to it and why in the world you want to call it Yankee? Just because of the engines?
The Radome, radars, Avionics, HUD, to design to wings to tail all Indian. Even the tyres. MRF from Madras Rubber Factory. Can anything be more desi then that? :)
The "Indian" radome, radar, avionics, HUD, etc will work how exactly without an engine?

The very heart of the plane is American. It powers the radar and the avionics. How much longer are we going to rely on the Amreekis?

Any word on when the sixth engine is coming from Amreeka to power the sixth Mk1A?

Six should be enough I believe to handle the PLAAF.
Rakesh ji, the same argument can be put back. Can an engine fly like a flying carpet without other components of the plane and win wars for the nation? It is also necessary for sure and we have to get Kaveri into it. We are almost there Sir ji. Let them complete the Kaveri as well.
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Haridas wrote: 07 Mar 2026 07:13 To add to it.
It seems my work and arguments on BR was noted by powers to be (in dilli and bidesh) more than a decade ago. It influenced dragon and Roosi policies wrt Bharat, overall it resulted in positives for Bharat.

Santosh ki baat hai.
Sir ji, the follow on analysis with the latest versions of Agni-V onwards is not there including the new K-5 series etc. Even our Hypersonic missiles (LRAShM), cruise missiles like the LRLACM etc. Will you be doing a small write up for BRF Jingoes?
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uddu wrote: 07 Mar 2026 12:54 Rakesh ji, the same argument can be put back. Can an engine fly like a flying carpet without other components of the plane and win wars for the nation? It is also necessary for sure and we have to get Kaveri into it. We are almost there Sir ji. Let them complete the Kaveri as well.
But we are not getting Kaveri into the Tejas. That is the whole hiccup. How do you complete Kaveri without a flying test bed and/or a High Altitude Test Facility? How do you complete Kaveri, when the entire funding that was spent on the turbofan is less than a single Rafale F4? We are not even close, so it is hilarious to claim that we are almost there. No development is being done, but we are almost there. What fantasy are we living in?

We are waiting on the sixth turbofan from GE to power the sixth Tejas Mk1A. Are we seriously waiting on GE to build up Indian air power? Because that is the plan of action for now. Every few months, GE keeps pushing the date for regular deliveries of the GE F404. You yourself posted the news about the newest schedule from GE in the Mk1A thread. We have all the components of the plane ready, but no engine. But that is okay. We will not need to fly Tejas. We will just fire munitions while parked on the runway.

But lets blame IAF for being import pasand for inducting phoren fighter aircraft. I did not realise that Air HQ overrides the GOI. Shame on import pasand IAF, because they have to shoulder all the blame. The GOI are saints after all in this whole sordid saga.
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Manish_P wrote: 07 Mar 2026 11:52 Admiral sir, HAL has shown that we can make a non-american Tejas.

It won't fly of course, but hey it's good enough for posing with full atma-vishwas.
:rotfl: Bingo!

That is the picture to deter the PLAAF. More Tejas please :mrgreen:
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Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 19:10
Manish_P wrote: 07 Mar 2026 11:52 Admiral sir, HAL has shown that we can make a non-american Tejas.

It won't fly of course, but hey it's good enough for posing with full atma-vishwas.
:rotfl: Bingo!

That is the picture to deter the PLAAF. More Tejas please :mrgreen:
The opposition if had normal gray matter in their heads instead of yellow matter could have raised cain in the parliament and outside and cornered the GOI for not rectify the situation in 11 years.
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Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 19:07
uddu wrote: 07 Mar 2026 12:54 Rakesh ji, the same argument can be put back. Can an engine fly like a flying carpet without other components of the plane and win wars for the nation? It is also necessary for sure and we have to get Kaveri into it. We are almost there Sir ji. Let them complete the Kaveri as well.
But we are not getting Kaveri into the Tejas. That is the whole hiccup. How do you complete Kaveri without a flying test bed and/or a High Altitude Test Facility? How do you complete Kaveri, when the entire funding that was spent on the turbofan is less than a single Rafale F4? We are not even close, so it is hilarious to claim that we are almost there. No development is being done, but we are almost there. What fantasy are we living in?

We are waiting on the sixth turbofan from GE to power the sixth Tejas Mk1A. Are we seriously waiting on GE to build up Indian air power? Because that is the plan of action for now. Every few months, GE keeps pushing the date for regular deliveries of the GE F404. You yourself posted the news about the newest schedule from GE in the Mk1A thread. We have all the components of the plane ready, but no engine. But that is okay. We will not need to fly Tejas. We will just fire munitions while parked on the runway.

But lets blame IAF for being import pasand for inducting phoren fighter aircraft. I did not realise that Air HQ overrides the GOI. Shame on import pasand IAF, because they have to shoulder all the blame. The GOI are saints after all in this whole sordid saga.
The latest reports on the progress of Kaveri is being reported by multiple channels. Some work is done. Next should be High altitude test facility and FTB. This we have to rely on the Russians still. Govt must be putting money in setting up HTF and FTB.

GTRE's New 130kN Engine Test Facility Nearing Completion, Poised to Facilitate Dry Kaveri and AMCA Engine Development
https://defence.in/threads/gtres-new-13 ... ent.12095/
Jul 27, 2025

With the new domestic facility, GTRE can accelerate the refinement of the KDE, ensuring its reliability for the demanding requirements of the Ghatak drone.

This complements testing scheduled abroad; the engine is slated for in-flight trials on a modified Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft in Russia in late 2025, with the goal of achieving full certification by 2026.

The Rajanukunte facility will enable faster design iterations and validation on Indian soil, potentially leading to the engine's limited series production beginning in 2025-26.

Beyond the Dry Kaveri, the facility will be instrumental in developing future engine variants and new power plants.
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uddu wrote: 07 Mar 2026 19:49 The latest reports on the progress of Kaveri is being reported by multiple channels. Some work is done. Next should be High altitude test facility and FTB. This we have to rely on the Russians still. Govt must be putting money in setting up HTF and FTB.

GTRE's New 130kN Engine Test Facility Nearing Completion, Poised to Facilitate Dry Kaveri and AMCA Engine Development
https://defence.in/threads/gtres-new-13 ... ent.12095/
Jul 27, 2025
This is what happens when we rely on fake news websites like IDRW and Defence.in

These sites exist purely for engagement farming and clicks. And you are falling for it :)

Below is the reality of the much touted 130kN engine test facility. Tweet is from Jan 2026.

But US $35 billion for 114 Rafales has passed DPB and DAC stages. Now in contract negotiation stages with OEM and finally CCS approval. But no money saar for FTB and HATF. Clowns.

https://x.com/grok/status/2010013389087469838?s=20 ---> The planned high-altitude engine test bed in Sunabeda (HAL-DRDO, 2014) has seen no progress updates since, with approvals still pending. India lacks an operational HAETF, relying on Russia for tests. A separate 130kN engine test facility in Rajankunte is nearing completion (Oct 2025) for thrust testing, but not high-altitude specific. Recent parliamentary reports note ongoing delays in related projects.
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Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 20:01 This is what happens when we rely on fake news websites like IDRW and Defence.in

These sites exist purely for engagement farming and clicks. And you are falling for it :)

Below is the reality of the much touted 130kN engine test facility. Tweet is from Jan 2026.

But US $35 billion for 114 Rafales has passed DPB and DAC stages. Now in contract negotiation stages with OEM and finally CCS approval. But no money saar for FTB and HATF. Clowns.

https://x.com/grok/status/2010013389087469838?s=20 ---> The planned high-altitude engine test bed in Sunabeda (HAL-DRDO, 2014) has seen no progress updates since, with approvals still pending. India lacks an operational HAETF, relying on Russia for tests. A separate 130kN engine test facility in Rajankunte is nearing completion (Oct 2025) for thrust testing, but not high-altitude specific. Recent parliamentary reports note ongoing delays in related projects.
Sirji, that is the planned high-altitude engine test facility. The 130KN test facility is another one. This is in anticipation of the Joint venture engine development with France. yes, the HATF should be taken up urgently. We should be looking at figuring out on how to get a FTBF as well in urgency mode.

May be the throught process is to get the Kaveri tested on this and modifications done and then send to Russia for HATF and FTB just like how they did with the KDE. But if we have to have a HATF and FTB then it's better to get it done in which Kaveri can also be tested, including any future variants of Kaveri like Kaveri 2 meant for Tejas MK2.

High-Altitude Engine Test Facility Still Unapproved
https://www.thedefensenews.com/news-det ... napproved/
2026-01-14 17:21:33
Despite these expansive plans, a crucial proposal has remained stalled. In 2016, GTRE sought ₹1,600 crore for establishing a High-Altitude Engine Test Facility in Andhra Pradesh, a capability essential for simulating low-pressure, low-temperature conditions encountered by aircraft engines at extreme altitudes.
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Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 19:07 ....
We will just fire munitions while parked on the runway.
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Aayein.... if i am not mistaken isn't that essentially what the SYPDER system is? AAMs like Python & Derby launched from ground vehicles like TATRA trucks.

Please don't give such 'out-of-the-box' ideas to the powers-that-be, Admiral ji.

Old tank turrets as fixed gun boxes might be ok, but grounded planes as towed SAMs is really pushing it

I doubt this is what the current Hon. Raksha Mantri was thinking of in his recent 'disruptive innovations' address to the defense sector :D

(Just in jest please. No offense intended. We need to stay the course and persist to get our own turbofan)
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uddu wrote: 07 Mar 2026 20:19
Rakesh wrote: 07 Mar 2026 20:01 https://x.com/grok/status/2010013389087469838?s=20 ---> The planned high-altitude engine test bed in Sunabeda (HAL-DRDO, 2014) has seen no progress updates since, with approvals still pending. India lacks an operational HAETF, relying on Russia for tests. A separate 130kN engine test facility in Rajankunte is nearing completion (Oct 2025) for thrust testing, but not high-altitude specific. Recent parliamentary reports note ongoing delays in related projects.
Sirji, that is the planned high-altitude engine test facility. The 130KN test facility is another one. This is in anticipation of the Joint Venture engine development with France. Yes, the HATF should be taken up urgently. We should be looking at figuring out on how to get a FTBF as well in urgency mode.

May be the throught process is to get the Kaveri tested on this and modifications done and then send to Russia for HATF and FTB just like how they did with the KDE. But if we have to have a HATF and FTB then it's better to get it done in which Kaveri can also be tested, including any future variants of Kaveri like Kaveri 2 meant for Tejas MK2.
The tweet I posted states the two different facilities :)

The Sunabeda test facility is incumbent upon the 114 Rafale deal being completed. If that deal does not go through, the Sunabeda test facility is dead in the water. And the lack of a flying test bed is detrimental to any home grown turbofan development program.

Every gear is being turned towards the 114 Rafale contract and all the formalities are being checked off towards that goal. In fact, it appears there will very likely be more than 114 Rafales for India. At the drip feed rate the F404s are coming, the Rafale or any other phoren fighter is now going to a reality.

And there is nothing on the Govt's radar to change course for the Tejas program in relation to the turbofan. GE F404 and F414 it is for the Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2 and the first two AMCA squadrons. Apparently, five more F404s are supposed to arrive by the end of this month. I really hope that happens.
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VIDEO: https://x.com/ians_india/status/2032004 ... 19443?s=20 ---> Air Force (IAF) Chief Air Chief Marshal AP Singh today flew a solo sortie in a MiG-29UPG from a frontline fighter base in India and reviewed the operational preparedness of a base under the Western Air Command.
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https://x.com/SpokespersonMoD/status/20 ... 88132?s=20 ---> Chief of the Air Staff flew an operational formation sortie on the MiG-29 UPG from a forward airbase today. Led by Flt Lt Parvinder Singh, the formation executed a precise smart peel-off manoeuvre over the runway. CAS interacted with aircrew, technicians, veterans & was briefed on the squadron’s operational role and legacy of 63 years of service safeguarding the nation’s skies.

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Small question if the Navy's Mig 29K have Astra 1 integrated, would it not make sense for Airforce Mig 29 UPG have Astra 1 certified as well, considering R77s Short range
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MiG-29 UPG: India’s 4.5 Gen Fighter Upgrade

Thanks to smart upgrades, indigenous technology, and bold new partnerships, India’s MiG-29UPG fleet has entered a powerful second life… and today, it’s more capable than ever. The story goes back to the late 2000s, when India signed a major agreement with Russia to upgrade nearly 60 MiG-29 fighters to the UPG standard. And this wasn’t just modernization — it was a complete transformation.

The aircraft received:
* The advanced Zhuk-ME pulse-Doppler radar, enabling multi-target tracking in air-to-air and air-to-ground combat.
* More reliable RD-33 Series 3 engines.
* A modern glass cockpit with HOTAS controls and secure data links.
* An in-flight refueling probe and additional fuel capacity, dramatically extending range.

Payload capacity increased to around 4,500 kilograms, allowing the jet to carry:
* R-77 beyond-visual-range missiles
* Precision-guided bombs
* Anti-ship weapons like the Kh-35E.

Suddenly, the MiG-29 was no longer just a dog fighter — it became a true multi-role combat aircraft.


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