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Pakistani authorities issue notice to news channels that played Asha Bhonsle’s songs during a news report about her death

Indian songs and content remain banned on Pakistani channels
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Loan approved. Now weapons will arrive.
Loan aaya ab hathiyaar ayenge | Pakistan seeking KJ 500 AEW&C from China | हिंदी में
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'Mediator' Pakistan Turns to China, Saudi Arabia for Bailout | Vantage on Firstpost
Pakistan is reportedly seeking financial aid from China and Saudi Arabia after the UAE refused to roll over loans worth $3.5 billion. Will 'mediator' Pakistan survive this debt crisis? Will Pakistan's Gulf allies bail them out? Hem Saroya tells you.
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^^^Saudi Arabia Announces USD 3 Billion Additional Support, Extends USD 5 Billion Deposit to Pakistan announces Pakistani Finance Ministry..
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Amber G. wrote: 15 Apr 2026 12:04 ^^^Saudi Arabia Announces USD 3 Billion Additional Support, Extends USD 5 Billion Deposit to Pakistan announces Pakistani Finance Ministry..
That's money for the Mercenary fauj
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Pakistani Muslims, hardcore Islamic elements in Gulf countries, hardcore Christians in the USA, China; all want an economically self sufficient Pakistan to continuously damage India with whatever means as we all see. Why there is no pressure on Pakistan by any of them to adopt proper economic policies?

Is it because they think that once ordinary people in Pakistan taste the fruits of economic progress they will not go back to a mindless war with India? Same is the story in most Gulf countries. People there are not protesting for purer Islam like those practised by Taliban.
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Pakistan Getting Sold to Rothschild? Recognition of Israel is Next I Aadi
The Rothschild family is a wealthy Ashkenazi Jewish noble banking family originally from Frankfurt, Germany. The family's documented history starts in 16th-century Frankfurt; its name is derived from the family house, Rothschild, built by Isaak Elchanan Bacharach in Frankfurt in 1567.
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The Rothschilds will likely ask for Pak to recognize Israel, in return for investing their money in Pakistan.
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True but what’s the advantage to Israel? Will this mean Pakistan gets away scot free despite hosting Hamas? And does it mean that all the maal is in Saudi?
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Imran Khan was married to Jemima Goldsmith for many years and has two sons by her. Jemima Goldsmith was Jewish, the daughter of Jimmy Goldsmith an British MP who was Jewisn and had Anglo/French citizenship including another wife and family in France! The original family was named Goldschmidt but Jimmy's grandfather anglicised it to Goldsmith. There was a family bank in Frankfurt at the time the Rotschilds were starting out too and at one time the Goldschmidts rivalled the Rotschilds for wealth and repute. They are still wealthy but more discreet now.
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Used Gemini to summarise this one -

1. Pakistan's Strategic Mediation and the "Victory" Narrative
• The "Great Field Marshal": Donald Trump has publicly praised Pakistan's Army Chief, General Asim Munir, calling him a "great field marshal" for his mediation efforts between the US and Iran [09:16].
• Defining Victory: For the Pakistani military elite, "victory" is defined as survival and short-term financial gain rather than long-term economic stability. By positioning itself as a "pivotal state," Pakistan has secured approximately $8 billion in aid and rollovers from Saudi Arabia and the UAE [14:24].
• The Ultimate Prize: The speakers suggest Munir’s ultimate goal is a historic "photo op"—bringing a US President (Trump) to Islamabad to sign a peace deal, something that hasn't happened in 20 years [37:38].

2. Multi-Layered "Deals within Deals"
• The Nuclear Factor: There is speculation that Gen. Munir may be negotiating high-stakes nuclear exchanges, potentially offering Iran access to uranium or technical knowledge in exchange for oil and regional stability [38:48].
• The Pipeline and Balochistan: Mediation could help Pakistan revive the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline and cut a deal with Iran to manage the shared "Balochistan problem" [40:48].
• The China-Iran-Pakistan Axis: The discussion highlights a "hidden deal" involving China, where Pakistan facilitates transit and energy security for Beijing while acting as a bridge to the West [44:05].

3. The Internal Crisis in Pakistan
• The "Toilet Paper" State: Despite international praise, the speakers contrast this with Pakistan's internal collapse, citing a quote by the Pakistani Defense Minister who previously called the country a "used toilet paper" in the eyes of the US [01:08:59].
• Economic Misery: Pakistan is facing a severe fuel crisis with 14 to 18 hours of daily load-shedding [19:38]. Schools have been shut, government salaries withheld, and unemployment has reached 18 million youth [21:33].
• Elite vs. Masses: While the military elite "wins" through prestige and international funding, the general public suffers from inflation and lack of basic services like electricity in hospitals [22:05].

4. Implications for India
• Cognitive Warfare: The speakers warn that Pakistan is using this mediation to launch a narrative-based "cognitive war" against India, portraying itself as the "victorious general" and the regional "go-to" power [32:08].
• Security Concerns: There is a fear that Pakistan will "harvest its sense of victory" into efforts to destabilize India internally through sleeper cells or by communalizing political issues like delimitation in J&K [30:17].
• India’s Strategy: The recommendation for India is to maintain an "arm's length" from these volatile peace talks, focus on domestic energy security, and continue growing its GDP

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^^^
What I dont see in the above is :
Water and Foodgrains.
Three things haunting Terroristan if the Conflict externds indefinitely.
There is no oil:
They are struggling with strategic reserves and inability to spot buy!!
Russians are a. not going to sell b. even if they sell the heavy crude jihadis lack the refning capabilities.(No wonder during the Sindoor they made a hue and cry about Gujrat refinery and this time if there is a conflict it will be targttted given the Iran experience)
Lack of Power generation :
They lack any big Coal deposits for their coal fired power Gen units and cant import from Aussies or elsewhere again due to lack of funds.
Now that the taps tuned off, there is no water for Hydropower Gen.
Falling Food Production:
With a finite aerable lands, Zamindari system, old sytle cultivation and lack of water and costly fertiliser (given the conflict) there is going to be a serious food crisis (there is already a crisis for the last couple of years and this going to turn into a unimaginable proportions).
Add to this Atari trade and the trans Kashmir trade is zilch.
Oil and money for other imports they might manage given the Ummah Zakat and IMF being blindfolded by Unkil
But Water and Food is something that no Zakat or IMF aid/succor/bailout (call what you may) will bring about.
They will need Indus Water Treaty to be back to normal.
This will definitely give the Jihadi Establihment to crow about and claim a big victory.
I am a bit worried about this as what OM will do if the Iran Deal is achieved.
Already the Indian based Paki-pasand have been activated.
Wait for the hungry children photo ops to hit the SM media, these BIF's will go on the overdrive and try to create atmosphere within the nation.
And add to this Western and OM's gaslighting we may be forced to accede to the Jihadi demands!!!
And once again we might loose the narrative by Jihadi Army Claiming big victory in their usual Pakjabi bluster : Hum ne unhe Pente Diya!!!
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For a decade or more I have been following reports of a Pakistan that’s supposed to collapse in economic disarray. That hasn’t happened - yet- and I think it won’t be happening for a while, if at all.

Meanwhile I would look at this square in the face and state that if the Iran - U.S. deal holds, and if Trump attends a summit in Islamabad to sign an accord, it will be a significant diplomatic and reputational coup for the do kaudi ka Field Marshall, and Pakistan in general.
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Aldonkar wrote: 19 Apr 2026 14:59 ...There was a family bank in Frankfurt at the time the Rotschilds were starting out too and at one time the Goldschmidts rivalled the Rotschilds for wealth and repute...
Any inter-familial marriages ?
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Pakistan has collapsed. Increasing poverty rate. Inability to repay loans. Capital flight. Not even a fig leaf civilian government. Another military debacle. Abysmal female education levels and fecundity. Internecine warfare. Afghans and Baluch after their blood.

And India adding a Pakistan economy and more to their GDP every few months.

If this is winning….
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Saar
There is a big difference between staring at Default and Stopped from Default!! :D
Pakis are in the second category
Every one from White, Black, Yellow to Rainbow wants to keeps us down
And the only way is to Prop the Jihadis
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Saar both Bakis and Unkil are technically insolvent but they will carry on. Even mosquitoes have survived more and now they are being nurtured by Billy boy; same will happen with jihadis
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sanjaykumar wrote: 19 Apr 2026 19:13 Pakistan has collapsed. Increasing poverty rate. Inability to repay loans. Capital flight. Not even a fig leaf civilian government. Another military debacle. Abysmal female education levels and fecundity. Internecine warfare. Afghans and Baluch after their blood.

And India adding a Pakistan economy and more to their GDP every few months.

If this is winning….
Winning? Yes, according to the Quaranic concept of war of being alive to fight another day! Aatami riyasat Pakistan, made on the basis of kalma, the defenders of the ideological frontiers of Islam, the fortress of Islam, a country that is constantly in search of 'pure Islam' cannot collapse. :D
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Amber G. wrote: 14 Apr 2026 00:21 Pakistani authorities issue notice to news channels that played Asha Bhonsle’s songs during a news report about her death

Indian songs and content remain banned on Pakistani channels
I demand exception to this rule when IMF loans get rejected. Asha-ji has the best song
duniya ne hamko diya kya, duniya se hamne liya kya
ham sab ki parwah kare kyu, sabne hamara kiya kya..
Dum Maaro Dum...
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SRajesh wrote: 19 Apr 2026 20:56 Saar
There is a big difference between staring at Default and Stopped from Default!! :D
Pakis are in the second category
Every one from White, Black, Yellow to Rainbow wants to keeps us down
And the only way is to Prop the Jihadis


SRajesh ji,

the propped up jihadis there, in turn, prop up the jihadis here, and they are using the plausible deniability of cross border terrorism linkages without showing the ISI or the pussy paki army's heavy hand blessed by the gourmet chefs of the culinary institute

the recent street violence and, burning of cars and looting in some states including areas in NOIDA have been traced back to paki handlers. There is evidence of money transfer et all

WhatsApp groups that enrolled "members" via "QR codes" and about 95 % of the rioters in these places of street violence were not local workers but outsiders paid to unleash mayhem and destabilize the yogi govt, portray an image on an unstable economic ecosystem that was planned and designed to make investors pull out their FDIs

people who led and orchestrated the violence were in touch with paki handlers.

All this happened AFTER a very generous wage increase was negotiated and given to these "workers", per their demands, more than the increase in the other two affected states which faced similar street violence after wage increases and yet the street violence was deliberately ignited because of a BIF agenda

one clown is very happy that street "uprisings" have taken place and he says that this is the beginning of the end. funds are pouring in via the cheen and the punjab / beedi routes as they have total control via the pappis and the jihadi begum. The NE is already burning with kuki lit fires, which are amriki, britshit and eurotrash funded with cheen playing a major supporting role

The UP govt has cancelled the liscences of around 300-400 factories where the many of the owners were found to be complicit in the violence, and the probe is going ahead full steam

We are seeing the beginnings of a very sophisticated effort to precipitate an arab spring sort of situation in India, with a clear cut agenda of two regime changes, one in UP and the other in dilli


https://indianexpress.com/article/citie ... -10645661/
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After the salwar removal in the May operation, Unkil is giving legitimacy back to Bakis and that will serve as encouragement to the local jihadis to continue the ghazwa…
historically gora handshakes have conveyed that the real Anglo Ayotallah are with you because Pisslam is great and Anglos have also accepted Pisslam(hence Gori influencers in NaPak). We think rationally this is funny… but Abdul’s brain and hairy package both perk up at this ..
the gradual prosperity of quom in West (like IK marriage to Sonawali) provides dreams to millions of Pisslami chapri dehatis and then on top we have our own Haklas etc
We are easily demoralised by one piece of bad news in a lefty rag but as long as there is even one Pisslamic, they remain emboldened.
Govt is on a tight leash - can’t jail grandson for fear of looking undemocratic, can’t strike down hard on Lefties and Pisslam. They have all gamed this beautifully shaking hands in the front and sticking knives at the back. Govt needs to do the hard things at local levels but boy rot is so deep now that surgery is needed not just root canal
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Manish_P wrote: 19 Apr 2026 17:50
Aldonkar wrote: 19 Apr 2026 14:59 ...There was a family bank in Frankfurt at the time the Rotschilds were starting out too and at one time the Goldschmidts rivalled the Rotschilds for wealth and repute...
Any inter-familial marriages ?
None that I know of.
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Aldonkar wrote: 20 Apr 2026 14:24
Manish_P wrote: 19 Apr 2026 17:50
Any inter-familial marriages ?
None that I know of.
There well might be in the distant past. They are a small population. Anyway it matters not. The tribe takes care of it's own.
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https://x.com/chakranewz/status/2047688 ... 50735?s=20


When United Nations inspectors took custody of Muammar Gaddafi’s surrendered nuclear material in 2003, they found something bizarre:

Chinese nuclear blueprints!..... stored in suit bags that came from a shop in Islamabad, Pakistan.

That shop - Good Looks Tailors, is just 8 km from the Serena Hotel in Islamabad...the venue for the US-Iran talks.

This was the unravelling of an underground nuclear cartel run by Pakistan with Abdul Qadeer Khan at the helm.

So when Pakistan speaks today of mediation and responsibility, this history is impossible to ignore, notes Sandeep Unnithan.

Catch the full conversation here: https://youtu.be/JYFjDXu0fz0
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https://x.com/KanwalSibal/status/204764 ... 99745?s=20
This would imply US giving indirectly encouragement and cover to Pakistan to stage a significant terrorist attack against India.

Should Pakistan sponsor such an attack, India will respond irrespective of Trump’s softness towards Field Marshal Munir.

Actually, US should in the first place put all its weight behind curbing such adventurism by Pakistan.


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In answer to :
https://x.com/sidhant/status/2047602415936180225?s=20
"Pakistan's warm relations with the United States may cause India to limit its response to the next significant cross-border terrorist incident..," says Kenneth Juster, Former US Ambassador to India
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^^^ This usual bluster to bend people to OM's whims and fancies!!
He has threatened UK over Falklands and the Brits are shitting bricks, even though in media and papers they are of usual bluster and superiority!!
They are trying ti drag in EU and claiming that he is lashing out all allies!!
The Brits are hoping that that Charles III will GUBO to Trump and smoothen the issues!!
Likewise, the Pakis and their Analcysts are Salivating at Kashmir Banega Pakistan!! :lol:
They are hoping that OM will one stroke given them Kashmir let alone the Indus Treaty!!
And they hope that with Kashmir gone NE will be fair game and the eventual rupture of the country!!
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This is the News Article on Angry Pakistani Shias that Pakistan Army Chief Asim Munir got deleted from the Pakistani version of The New York Times yesterday..
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https://www.dawn.com/news/1994916/pakis ... ood-crisis



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Source: The 2026 Global Report on Food Crises

• Multi-agency report says over 9m Pakistanis face ‘crisis’ conditions; another 1.7 million in the more severe ‘emergency’ category

• Notes devastating monsoon rains, severe flooding wiped out crucial cropland, livelihoods

• Warns global hunger remains at critical levels amid conflict, drought, aid cuts; outlook for 2026 remains ‘bleak’
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chetak wrote: 27 Apr 2026 12:33 ...

• Multi-agency report says over 9m Pakistanis face ‘crisis’ conditions; another 1.7 million in the more severe ‘emergency’ category

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Chetak sir, this is God, sorry, Allah sent opportunity for Jihadistani jernails.

They can get the gormint to grovel and beg for at least loan waivers if not new monetary aid.

Amrika needs pakistan with the Eyeran issue and they will 'influence' the IMF, the GCC etc to assist their munna.
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And Hindus can again collect monies to send to Pakistan. Like after that earthquake. Or was it floods. Or maybe drought. Mass bombing? Anyway one of them things.
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https://www.rediff.com/news/report/hafi ... 260427.htm
Key Lashkar figure and Hafiz Saeed aide Yousaf Afridi shot dead in Pakistan
M Zulqernain, April 27, 2026
Sheikh Yousaf Afridi, a key Lashkar-e-Tayiba (LeT) figure and a close associate of the Mumbai terror attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed, was shot dead by unidentified gunmen in Pakistan's Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, police said on Monday.
The incident took place in Landi Kotal in the Khyber region, some 250 kms from Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan.
A source in the police told PTI that unknown armed assailants opened indiscriminate fire on Afridi, resulting in his death on the spot.
No group has claimed responsibility for the attack.
Afridi is said to be a key figure within the regional structure of the banned LeT.
Afridi's Role in LeT Activities
He also reportedly played a role in the recruitment and coordination of the terror group's activities in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
"The incident has sparked widespread anger in the area, and local authorities have launched an investigation to apprehend those responsible for his killing," the source said.
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On a West Asia thread, I posted this:
This observation came my way and I verified it, and now I'm puzzled.

The day before the war started till today:

Feb 26, 2026 : 1 USD = 279.45 PKR
Apr 29, 2026 : 1 USD = 278.84 PKR
PKR appreciated marginally against USD.

Feb 26, 2026 : 1 USD = 90.993 INR
Apr 29, 2026 : 1 USD = 94.917 INR
INR depreciated against the USD and by around 4%.

Meaningful explanation would be welcome.
I asked Google Gemini and Microsoft CoPilot this question:
Is the US helping prop up the Pakistani rupee? Despite the dire economic situation its currency has barely depreciated against the US Dollar since February 26th, before the war with Iran started, to date, April 29.
They gave rather different answers, as you can see in the following posts.
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Microsoft CoPilot:

Short answer: There is no evidence that the United States is directly propping up the Pakistani rupee. The currency’s stability since late February is instead explained by Pakistan’s own policy actions, IMF‑linked discipline, and improved foreign‑exchange conditions, not U.S. intervention.

Why the rupee has stayed unusually stable

Several data points from February–April 2026 show that the Pakistani rupee (PKR) has been trading in a narrow band around Rs. 278–282 per USD, with even slight appreciation at times. This stability is notable given Pakistan’s economic fragility, but the available evidence points to domestic and multilateral factors, not U.S. support.

1. Foreign‑exchange reserves have risen sharply

Pakistan’s State Bank reserves climbed to $16.2 billion, with total liquid reserves above $21.3 billion, the strongest level in over two years. Higher reserves reduce panic, discourage speculation, and naturally stabilize the currency.

2. IMF program discipline is anchoring policy

Pakistan has been operating under a multi‑year IMF program that requires:
* a market‑determined exchange rate,
* limits on central‑bank intervention,
* tight monetary policy,
* and anti‑smuggling / anti‑hawala enforcement.

These measures have narrowed the gap between interbank and open‑market rates to under 1%, a sign of reduced manipulation and improved liquidity.

3. Crackdown on the informal currency market

Since 2023–2025, Pakistan has aggressively targeted the hawala/hundi networks that previously distorted the rupee. This has pushed more remittances into official channels, strengthening the interbank market and reducing volatility.

4. Remittances and compressed imports

Record remittances (over $30 billion annually) and reduced import demand have helped narrow the current account deficit, easing pressure on the rupee.

5. SBP’s policy stance has shifted toward stability

The State Bank of Pakistan has been using interest‑rate adjustments and targeted interventions to smooth volatility, not defend a fixed level. This is consistent with IMF rules and helps maintain a controlled trading band without heavy reserve depletion.

What about U.S. involvement?

There is no reporting, no official statements, and no financial‑flow evidence indicating that the United States is providing covert or overt support to stabilize the PKR. U.S. assistance to Pakistan typically flows through:

* IMF/World Bank influence,
* security cooperation,
* humanitarian or development aid.

None of the sources indicate U.S. currency‑market intervention or dollar injections aimed at supporting the rupee.

The rupee’s stability aligns with IMF‑mandated reforms, higher reserves, and reduced speculation, not U.S. financial action.

Why the timing coincides with the Iran conflict

Your observation that the rupee held steady after the Iran war began (late February) is accurate, but correlation does not imply U.S. intervention. The data shows the rupee was already on a record 100+ day appreciation streak before the conflict and continued on that trajectory due to structural factors.

Bottom line

The stability of the Pakistani rupee since February is driven by Pakistan’s own monetary policy, IMF‑linked reforms, rising reserves, and reduced speculation—not U.S. support. There is no evidence of U.S. involvement in propping up the PKR.
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Google Gemini:

The stability of the Pakistani rupee (PKR) during this period is indeed striking given the regional volatility. While there isn't evidence of a direct, unilateral "prop-up" by the U.S. government, several external and internal factors—closely tied to U.S. interests and Pakistan’s diplomatic pivot—explain why the currency has held steady.

### **Exchange Rate Stability (Feb 26 – Apr 29, 2026)**

The PKR has traded in a very narrow range, moving from approximately **280.7 PKR/USD** on February 26 to around **278.9 PKR/USD** today. In a typical war scenario involving a neighbor and a major trade route (the Strait of Hormuz), a currency would be expected to plummet.

### **Key Factors Preventing Depreciation**

The "propping up" is effectively a multi-national effort driven by Pakistan’s sudden emergence as a primary mediator in the **U.S.-Iran conflict**:

* **The "Peace Broker" Dividend:** Since the conflict began on February 28, Pakistan has moved from a "pariah" status to an indispensable mediator, hosting the **Islamabad Talks** between the U.S. and Iran. This diplomatic utility has encouraged international partners to keep the Pakistani economy afloat to ensure regional stability.

* **Gulf Financial Injections:** Saudi Arabia and Qatar have pledged a combined **$5 billion** in financial support to stabilize Pakistan's foreign exchange reserves. The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) confirmed the receipt of **$2 billion** from Saudi Arabia just last week, which provided a critical liquidity buffer.

* **The IMF Factor:** Pakistan reached a **$1.2 billion staff-level agreement** with the IMF in March. While the U.S. hasn't sent direct cash to the SBP, its influence within the IMF board is a prerequisite for these disbursements.

* **Aggressive Monetary Policy:** On April 27, the SBP hiked the policy rate to **11.5%** to curb inflation and defend the rupee, signaling to markets that the central bank will not allow a freefall.

### **The Economic Reality**

Despite the stable exchange rate, the "dire situation" you mentioned is visible in the domestic economy rather than the currency chart:

* **Fuel Prices:** Petrol reached a record **PKR 458.40 per litre** in early April due to the partial closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

* **Trade Deficit:** The trade gap is widening as exports have dropped by roughly 8%, and the annual import bill for petroleum is projected to rise by **$4.5 billion** if the conflict persists.

* **Debt Repayments:** Pakistan faced nearly **$4.8 billion** in debt repayments in April alone (including a $1.3bn Eurobond).

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In short, the rupee is being supported by a "geopolitical safety net." International creditors and regional allies are prioritizing Pakistan's financial stability to ensure it can continue its role as a neutral ground for the U.S.-Iran peace negotiations.
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Then I asked each AI to analyze the other's answer, by cuttong & pasting it.

The answers were very interesting, but long, so I'll just I've you the bottom line:

Microsoft Copilot on Google Gemini:
Overall assessment
The answer is well‑written, but it mixes verifiable facts, reasonable inferences, and unsupported geopolitical speculation. It presents a coherent narrative, but several claims are not grounded in publicly available evidence.

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Bottom line

Your answer is coherent and plausible, but it blends verified economic factors with unverified geopolitical assumptions. The economic explanations are strong; the diplomatic narrative is speculative and should be clearly labeled as interpretation rather than fact.
Google Gemini on Microsoft CoPilot:
The answer you’ve provided is a very clean, "textbook" economic explanation. It correctly identifies the mechanical levers keeping the rupee steady, but it suffers from a significant geopolitical blind spot. In the context of April 2026, treating the PKR as a normal currency functioning in a vacuum is like analyzing a ship’s stability during a hurricane without mentioning the massive tugboats holding it in place.
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The "Bottom Line" Critique

The answer you shared is technically correct but contextually shallow. It’s the economic equivalent of saying someone is calm during a fire because they practiced "deep breathing," while ignoring the fact that they are the only person in the room with the keys to the exit.

The PKR is stable because the world—specifically the U.S. and the Gulf—cannot afford for it to be unstable right now. The moment the Islamabad Talks conclude (or fail), those "economic fundamentals" will be tested by the reality of PKR 458/litre petrol and a massive trade deficit.
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^Does the MS copilot answer take into account that there could be interventions by other non-US actors (PRC, KSA) helping to prop up the PKR? The way it's written it seems like analysis of a strictly two way choice, either (Pak economy was already improving from faithfully implementing "good" policy measures) or (US has or has not reportedly intervened).
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Some sources are reporting that the pakis have rented or seriously considering renting the following troops to other countries. the saudi deal has already been done for sure


15.000 paki troops to the saudis (+18 dented and repainted paki "fighter" aircraft)

10,000 paki troops to the qataris

5000 paki troops to the amrikis


their standard rate seems to be $1billion per 5000 troops

they are all supposed to man the frontlines and directly take on any aggressors if and when these countries are attacked and all these countries are under serious threat from the hamas, meaning the IRGC

the saudis and the qataris can not and will not fight because they consider themselves too rich to do such mundane chores when servants are easily available, besides they never had the stomach to fight.

the question is how many more troops can the pakis send on such wild goose "missions" without stripping active frontline troops arrayed against India

The amrikis need these troops for stabilisation of the post war situation in gaza, but the failed marshal is facing a crisis of his own making, caught between appeasing trump and managing an increasingly volatile and hostile domestic audience at home, and for munir, the decision carries political, religious and strategic risks, all of which expose how deeply paki military leadership is entangled in external machinations that they are not equipped to handle

among other things, the pakis are going to use these troops and other such "cooperative" outreach initiatives to use the "influence" of the recipient countries to bulldoze India into restoring the IWT and perhaps make a vain bid to reopen talks with the Modi govt, which, BTW, has no interest at all in talking to the pakis

these scoundrels are already in the UNSC whining and pushing their case, and the britshits have already come out openly against India and are pushing the GoI for the restoration of the IWT.

sergio gor, with that colgate grin pasted on his face, will soon start doing rounds of the MEA, if he hasn't already

trump has definitely tried, long and hard, to get the Modi govt to commit troops to be deployed under amriki command in gaza but the entire trump generated, amriki made fiasco in the gelf, is a fight in which India has no dog and Modi ji is too old a hand in global politics to get sucker punched by a double dealing amricano, whose only game now is to get his nuts out of the raging fire that he personally set

let's wait and see how the "hellhole" reacts to these overtures

the decision of the UAE to quit opec and opec ++ bodes ill for the GCC, and the regional energy order
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https://archive.is/VffBi
Abu Dhabi’s request this month threatened to drain a fifth of Pakistan’s central bank reserves and imperilled a $7bn IMF bailout programme agreed in 2024. Saudi Arabia, which signed a mutual defence pact with Islamabad last year, swung to the rescue. It lent $3bn to Pakistan to bolster its central bank reserves and extended an existing $5bn loan for more than a year.

Underlying this is simmering tensions between Saudi Arabia, which signed a defence pact with Islamabad in September, and the UAE. A rift between the Gulf’s powerhouses burst into the open over disputes in the civil war in Yemen, where they back rival factions, in December and January.
The US-Israeli war with Iran papered over those cracks as the Islamic republic has responded by attacking both Gulf states. But analysts say the Saudi-UAE tensions continue to fester, with Riyadh more closely aligned with Pakistan, Turkey and Egypt than its Gulf neighbour.
“The rift is still there, and Pakistan is one area it can play out, and the UAE is much more invested in India anyway,” Quilliam said. “They [UAE] see this growing alliance between the Saudis and the Pakistanis, and for the UAE that constitutes a conflict of interests for Abu Dhabi.”
Three Pakistani advisers said the UAE had signalled to Islamabad that it wanted it to take a harder line against Iran. The UAE’s foreign ministry did not respond to a request for comment.
But privately, officials in Islamabad voiced frustration, the advisers said, albeit with relief at being less beholden to Abu Dhabi, which has forged closer ties with Pakistan’s arch-rival India. “The Saudis obliged our request, which they usually do,” an adviser said. “We could see it coming after their [Riyadh’s] rift with the UAE.”
The UAE’s ties with Islamabad date to Abu Dhabi’s independence from the UK in 1971. The first five chiefs of staff of the Emirati air force were Pakistani citizens, while Pakistan’s flag carrier Pakistan International Airlines provided aircraft and training to Emirates Airlines. The UAE in turn provided billions of dollars of financial support to Pakistan and hosts some 1.5mn Pakistani expatriates.
Relations became strained in 2015 when Islamabad bowed to public pressure and declined to join the Saudi-led coalition against Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen. The UAE was the Saudis’ main partner in that conflict. A top Emirati diplomat publicly complained at the time that despite “inevitable” economic and financial support from the UAE, “Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad . . . than the Gulf countries”.
Since late last year, Pakistan had been seeking to secure an agreement to roll over at least $2bn of the Emirati loans for two years, but Abu Dhabi rattled Islamabad by moving to monthly extensions in January, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The UAE’s decision to seek immediate repayment this month surprised the finance ministry in Islamabad, as well as the IMF, according to people familiar with the matter. Abu Dhabi had promised the fund that it would not seek repayment until the end of Pakistan’s programme in 2027, a precondition for approving the bailout.
The move also spelled the end of an ambitious Pakistani proposal that Islamabad’s foreign minister said was agreed with Abu Dhabi in December to convert $1bn of debt into investments in a military-linked conglomerate, the Fauji Foundation. Two people familiar with the plan now say it has been axed, and the money earmarked for it has been repaid to the UAE.
Some observers, however, warn of the risk of over-reliance on financing from Saudi Arabia, which is now equivalent to roughly half of Pakistan’s central bank reserves of $16bn.
In a sign of the economic pressure Pakistan is under, its central bank on Monday raised its policy interest rate by 100 basis points to 11.5 per cent — the first increase in almost three years — citing inflation expectations and “intensified risks” to the economic outlook from the Middle East conflict. In its monetary policy statement, the State Bank of Pakistan also highlighted the “need for further strengthening” of foreign exchange buffers.
The mutual defence pact had raised hopes of more Saudi investment and financial support in exchange for Pakistan’s military might.
But two of the Pakistani advisers said Riyadh, which is facing tightening liquidity and a widening deficit while managing vast domestic financial commitments, had so far shown limited appetite in translating the accord into investments.
Do not fully agree with the article, there is a wider game afoot in mena with many camps, but only 1 certainty that the uae and saudi arabia are markedly and decidedly in different camps.
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Rudradev wrote: 30 Apr 2026 07:46 ^Does the MS copilot answer take into account that there could be interventions by other non-US actors (PRC, KSA) helping to prop up the PKR? The way it's written it seems like analysis of a strictly two way choice, either (Pak economy was already improving from faithfully implementing "good" policy measures) or (US has or has not reportedly intervened).
MS CoPilot’s answer merits the criticism that Google Gemini gave: “ In the context of April 2026, treating the PKR as a normal currency functioning in a vacuum is like analyzing a ship’s stability during a hurricane without mentioning the massive tugboats holding it in place.”
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