PRC Political News & Discussions

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 29 Aug 2007 15:33

China Says Tibetans Need Permission To Reincarnate

By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 29 Aug 2007 15:46

krishnan wrote:China Says Tibetans Need Permission To Reincarnate

Holy Cow; I did not realize that the Communists were so advanced in soul harvesting technology!!

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 29 Aug 2007 16:08

Sanku wrote: Holy Cow; I did not realize that the Communists were so advanced in soul harvesting technology!!

They harvest Tibetan souls all the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzCl95A90P0

Just ask their border police.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 29 Aug 2007 18:08

So the question really is whether it was a good idea for the folks in GoI's China Desk to involve the CCP as a saviour of Buddhism....the CCP is going to be involved in the NAlanda project among others, going by recent news. What's up with these GoI babus/netas giving publicity to the CCP as a saviour of Buddhism?

It almost appears as if India's China Desk is eager to help China take control of Tibet.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 31 Aug 2007 14:22

Chinese torture as policy

Late-term abortions are routine to enforce single-child law, reports Alexa Olesen

Extremely horrible state of affairs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Oct 2007 08:19

Up!
No activity since Aug 31

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Oct 2007 08:30

1946 China occupied East Turkistan aka Xinjiang Uyghurunder under the name of peace.

1947 Invasion and occupation of Inner Mongolia under the name of liberation.

1949 China invaded and occupied Uighur.

1950 People's Volunteer Army conducted an armed intervention in the Korean War. The another purpose of the intervention is to eliminating
the number of ex-soldiers of Kuomintang (KMT). If it wins or loses, there was a cruel plot behind.

1951 Invasion of Tibet.

1958 Great Leap Forward caused millions of deaths of starvation. Protestors were suppressed, tortured and slaughtered.

1959 Border conflict with India.

1962 Several border conflicts and skirmishes between China and India. Southern part of the feet of Himalaya Mountains and Ladakh region in Kashmir state
were put under occupation.

1966~ It killed millions of people during the era of The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.

1969 China and Soviet joined battle over Zhenbao Island.

1979 China invaded Vietnam to "punish" them. Although the Vietnamese government requested an official apology for the invasion from the them,
the Chinese government rejected it, commenting "We must look for the future. On the one hand, it has requested Japan to be sorry for the past.

1989 The Tiananmen Square Massacre. The People's Liberation Army suppressed pro-democracy students' protests, using tanks.

1992 It claimed Paracel Islands and Spratly Islands with the adoption of the Law on the Territorial Waters and Contiguous Areas (domestic law of China)

1995 Mischief Reef, which Philippines had claimed, was occupied by China.

1996 Series of missile tests were conducted by China in Taiwan Strait. Intimidation to Taiwan.

prashanth · Post by **prashanth** » 15 Oct 2007 18:03

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/const ... ution.html

friends, this article(call it what you like) has left me confused.this is supposed
to be the constitution of china.

It declares china a democracy.

and gives its people right to vote.
i wonder if this translation is genuine after reading this
read especially chapter 2 on fundamental rights.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 16 Oct 2007 23:20

Bull's Eye
"Pretty impressive! China is definitely the wave of the future!" "China?" he exclaimed. "Who said anything about China?
- by Rajinder Puri

After a group of Indian women journalists visited China I read their newspaper accounts with avid interest. Seeing my interest, a very old gentleman offered to read an article by a journalist which he claimed I couldnâ€™t have seen. He read:
....
"There is an air of bustle in the streets and across the city which is being kept spic and span while the nation awaits teams from all over the world for the world Olympics to be staged in the country next year. People are excited. The government is determined to utilise the occasion to make the nation a showcase for the whole world to marvel at...."

As his voice trailed off, I said: "Pretty impressive! China is definitely the wave of the future!"

"China?" he exclaimed. "Who said anything about China? This was written in 1935 before the Berlin Olympics in Nazi Germany!"

And this one:
Byzantine Beijing
In China, the 17th Party Congress will start on October 22. And while it would test Hu against Jiang, India should watch out, for in communist dictatorships power struggles sometimes result in foreign adventures.
-by Rajinder Puri

India should, for its part, worry for being an obvious and soft target for China. In communist dictatorships power struggles sometimes result in one of the aspirants instigating a foreign adventure in order to alter the balance of power. If the Hu-Jiang rivalry escalates to a fight to the finish, India should be doubly cautious. There are current reports of Chinese incursions into Bhutan. Meanwhile PLA has made claims against India on the Sikkim border. Will the Hu-Jiang rivalry reach an early resolution?

Apologies if posted ealier or in the wrong thread.

sanjaychoudhry · Post by **sanjaychoudhry** » 16 Oct 2007 23:48

It declares china a democracy. and gives its people right to vote.

As Henry Ford said for his cars a century ago: "People can buy them in any color as long as it is black." The same kind of choice is given to the Chinese people. They can vote for any party as long as it is the Communist party.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 17 Oct 2007 02:00

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Take that, China!

Wonder wazz going thru unkil's minds??

First piss off Russia with those ill-advised and overhasty NATO expansionisms , then piss off Turkey with that genocide resolution (BTW, me totally, totally supports that the liberating truth about the genocide be thrown open) and now cheen is ungli-fied with this grand gesture up there.....

Is there a method to this madness?? Any dot-connecting smoothsayers out there care to divine this puzzle??

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 17 Oct 2007 02:30

vsudhir wrote:

Wonder wazz going thru unkil's minds??

vsudhir,

Here is a stab at reading the goat entrails.....

Unlike Myanmar, Tibet seems to be one area where the US and India are working in the same direction, assuming that the Dalai Lama really did meet Bush (don't quite trust the Drudge report's reporting). This seems to be Khujli-oriented activity by the GOTUS, and the most recent seminar in India about Indo-China relations seems to have gone in the direction of freedom and democracy in Tibet.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 17 Oct 2007 02:58

Rye,

The Dubya-Dalai meeting in DC is 400% confirmed. BBC spun it saying Dubya's doing it because he can afford to. If china does something stupid in pique, like over Iran, then Dubya'll zimbly cancel his Beijing Olympic visit next year, apparently.

Lkawamoto · Post by **Lkawamoto** » 17 Oct 2007 10:55

hu jintao is known as "RIVER CRAB" among chinese web goers

it is a very derogatory term meaning shallow minded, peasant type, idiot

Lkawamoto · Post by **Lkawamoto** » 18 Oct 2007 05:33

prashanth wrote:http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/const ... ution.html

friends, this article(call it what you like) has left me confused.this is supposed
to be the constitution of china.
It declares china a democracy. and gives its people right to vote.
i wonder if this translation is genuine after reading this
read especially chapter 2 on fundamental rights.

china is a democracy

see picture-story below

chinese eshtyle democracy

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 20 Oct 2007 01:35

Chinese Communist Party Slowly Losing Credibility

It's worth asking -- does it even matter whether or not they have credibility?
They have the guns, so isn't that enough for them?
As Mao would have said, "Credibility comes through the barrel of a gun"

I don't really see what recourse people have -- except maybe IEDs.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Oct 2007 01:47

No SanjayM. Chinese mango people have a civilizational memory. The loss of credibility is leading the CPC to change. However at same time if there is a sudden loss of power at center in China it leads to instability. We need to see how if there will be a slow death of the tyranosarus or the transformation to a heavenly dragon will happen.

Did you know the Swami Narayan folks were invited to build their biggest temple in China? Cina wants to reachout to its past and the revive the inspiration.

Gorbahave was able to do his prestroika only after the rehabiliation of pre Tsarist social systems.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 20 Oct 2007 02:03

Chinese rulers are not so stupid as to follow Gorbachev's path of Glasnost before Perestroika. Chinese will allow economic Perestroika, but never Glasnost.

But the point is, even if ordinary Chinese become totally fed up with their rulers, can they really do anything at all about it?

I don't even see ex-patriate overseas Chinese saying much against the Beijing dictatorship. They just don't care enough to.

This just goes to show that if you show you are strong enough and entrenched enough, then others will think twice before attacking you.

India, by contrast, demonstrates the opposite. We always embolden our attackers by advertising our spinelessness. By showing enough resolve, intensity, and severely raising the cost to our enemies, then we too can deter attackers.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 20 Oct 2007 02:06

Sanjay M wrote:

I don't even see ex-patriate overseas Chinese saying much against the Beijing dictatorship. They just don't care enough to.

The ones with connections to the party are on the side of the dictatorship -- the ones with no connections do not dare ruffle the feathers of the CCP, as that will mean nasty tidings for their extended family back home. They do care -- they cannot do much about it.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 20 Oct 2007 03:28

It is in the interest of the world at large to see a slow/gradual change in China towards a politicall system that is pluralistic. Ramana is right that a sudden change at the center will cause instability.
An unstable China could send sea of refugees out of China. The last thing the world needs is waves of Chinese boat people heading towards other lands.
Avram

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 20 Oct 2007 03:56

Bah, I doubt those refugees would be flooding into India. They'll flood SouthEast Asia. We wouldn't get hurt.

When the Cultural Revolution happened, and millions died, we didn't see that grand exodus from China.

The fact is that CCCP, just like Musharraf, want to cultivate disaster scenarios associated with their downfall, in order to dissuade anyone and everyone from applying any kind of international pressure on them.

China's infrastructure is tremendous, their quality of life is far above India's, their ability to feed their own people is far greater than India's, their economy is far larger than India's, and far more intertwined with the outside world, and thus more able to draw strength from these external interactions.

India is far less able to cope with radical change than China is. Do you see Chinese rioting over the opening of supermarkets? Well, you do in India. That speaks volumes of who is better acclimated to absorbing change.

But China gets all the sympathy, while India gets the 3rd-degree from foreign critics. It's clear to me who's doing the better job at spin doctoring.
It's certainly not us.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Oct 2007 04:29

of Chinaâ€™s powerful politicians step down

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=76581

Monday, October 22, 2007
BEIJING: Three of Chinaâ€™s most powerful politicians, including Vice President Zeng Qinghong, have step down, the official Xinhua news agency said on Sunday.

Zeng, 68, Wu Guanzheng, 69, and Luo Gan, 72, were not named on the Communist Partyâ€™s Central Committee of roughly 200 people, Xinhua said. That means they will not keep their posts on the partyâ€™s elite nine-member Standing Committee, which rules the country.

The committee list was approved on the final day of the ruling Communist Partyâ€™s five-yearly Congress. Another position in the Standing Committee is already vacant due to the death of vice premier Huang Ju this year.

This means that as many as four new faces may be named alongside President Hu Jintao in the partyâ€™s top body, if it continues to comprise nine people. Xinhua said Hu and the other four members of the Standing Committee, including Prime Minister Wen Jiabao, had been named to the Central Committee, indicating they will stand for re-election to the top organ. The new line-up of the top organ is expected to be announced on Monday following the new Central Committeeâ€™s first meeting. Zeng, a party â€œprince lingâ€

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 22 Oct 2007 08:54

[url=http://www.hindu.com/2007/10/22/stories ... 051400.htm] â€œReligionâ€

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Oct 2007 02:29

Please start cacheing the news of the developments at the recent conf in Beijing.

From Pioneer, 23 Oct., 2007

Hu emerges stronger, to lead new CPC group

Christopher Bodeen | Beijing

President Hu Jintao won a second five-year term as China's Communist Party chief on Monday, heading a new leadership lineup that features potential successors yet could invite a divisive battle to succeed him.

Overall, Hu emerged politically stronger from eight days of high-level political meetings and months of bargaining in the lead-up. A party congress that wrapped up Sunday endorsed Hu's signature policy programme to help the poor and saw the retirement of a key rival. A Central Committee meeting Monday elevated a Hu protege, Li Keqiang, into the leadership.

"We are fully aware of our difficult tasks and great responsibilities," Hu told reporters as he introduced the new nine-man Politburo Standing Committee, the party's most powerful body.

Yet the deals Hu struck became clearer with the inauguration of the new lineup of five holdovers from the last leadership and four newcomers.

Key positions that oversee law enforcement and internal party investigations were given to associates of his rivals. Another younger politician and potential competitor to Li was also promoted. Hu's ability to manage this disparate coalition will determine how united the party is in dealing with tensions over a yawning gap between rich and poor at home and managing China's rising clout abroad so as not to anger
the US and other world powers. If Hu is successful, he will be freer to boost spending on health, education and other services long-neglected in the headlong drive for economic growth. Otherwise, with his own retirement likely in five years, he could become a lame duck.

"Hu Jintao is a brilliant politician," said Cheng Li, a watcher of elite Chinese politics at Washington's Brookings Institution. But managing the new leadership "is a serious test." In the months ahead, a crucial sign will be the relationship between the leadership's youngest members: Hu's protege of 20 years since their days in the Communist Youth League, the 52-year-old Li, and 54-year-old Xi Jinping, Shanghai's party secretary. The son of a politically influential veteran revolutionary, Xi is less beholden to Hu and emerged in recent weeks as a compromise candidate for leaders who feared giving Hu too much sway.

In many respects, Xi and Li represent different camps, with Li identified with Hu's supporters drawn partly from the youth league, and Xi with the traditional party elite and more prosperous coastal provinces.

Should the competition between Xi and Li get beyond Hu's control, "he'll be blamed," said Li, the politics watcher. Monday's announcement of a new leadership lineup marks the end of months of often contentious in-house bargaining over high-level posts that saw Hu purge one Politburo member who had criticised Beijing's policies.

Hu gained a significant edge on Sunday with the retirement of Vice-President Zeng Qinghong, a seasoned infighter, and two other members from the leadership.

...to head Military Commission too

AP | Beijing: Chinese leader Hu Jintao was reappointed head of the Commission controlling the military on Monday, a move that follows his promotion of top Generals and further consolidates his hold on the world's largest armed forces.

Defence Minister Cao Gangchuan was also replaced as a vice-chairman of the Central Military Commission, at a meeting of the party's Central Committee that came one day after the end of a National Party Congress.

His replacement, Xu Caihou, is a veteran political commissar who is now in line to take over as Minister. No reason was given for Cao's stepping down, although at age 72, he had passed the party's preferred, though not mandatory, retirement age of 70.

Three other new members were added to the 11-member commission: Chang Wanquan, head of the northeastern Shenyang Military Region that borders on Russia and North Korea; Wu Shengli, the commander of the navy; and Xu Qiliang, who was promoted to commander of the Air Force by Hu just ahead of the congress.

Other recent appointments include the heads of five of seven main military regions, among them the one surrounding Beijing and the Nanjing Military District tasked with making war preparations against neighbouring Taiwan.

So total revamp of the military leadership. I think India should also have a mandoatory age 70 for the politicians, but on other hand thanks to dynasty politics its only by age 70 they get some wisdom!.

There is so much info in this one post that folks ance make a couple of org chart of these changes and with pictures. Any volunteers?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Oct 2007 06:59

C^3I has a series of articles on PRC's changes

C^3I Link

Lkawamoto · Post by **Lkawamoto** » 09 Nov 2007 03:52

PRC pipedreams of an Aircraft Carrier

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Nov 2007 04:03

Lkawamoto wrote:PRC pipedreams of an Aircraft Carrier

Kanwa said China would wait until the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games had passed to announce its plans to build aircraft carriers "due to concerns over its international image."

THey know what they are doing.
They want to create the right image during the Olympics and then build and attack countries.

Lkawamoto · Post by **Lkawamoto** » 09 Nov 2007 04:16

Acharya wrote:
Lkawamoto wrote:PRC pipedreams of an Aircraft Carrier

Kanwa said China would wait until the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games had passed to announce its plans to build aircraft carriers "due to concerns over its international image."
THey know what they are doing.
They want to create the right image during the Olympics and then build and attack countries.

you are proving that you don't understand the chinese.

beijing olympics and building aircraft carrier has nothing to do with one another, chinese military expansion is extremely worrysome as it is and their aggressive stance is not a secret, china is also not afraid of prolifirating banned technology like NBC agents and materials to any terrorist country if it serves china's own narrow self interest.

chinese are very very sensitive to failure, and they will only annouce some project when its success is guaranteed (totally opposite to indian babus, who announce big and achieve small)

chinese have attempted designs of aircraft carrier but since the construction project can't be hiddnen, they will keep working on parts of it in 10 different factories until they know what they are doing (another 30 years)

remember, chinese are not strong in material science, but are catching up

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 09 Nov 2007 04:19

Lkawamoto wrote:
you are proving that you don't understand the chinese.

I dont understand chinese

shyam · Post by **shyam** » 09 Nov 2007 04:24

Does anybody know in what context did Napoleon say "Let China Sleep" or "when it awakes, the world will shake.".

Did he get confused with Mongols?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 09 Nov 2007 05:21

They're mainly investing in things like subs for the time being, as an asymmetric strategy for any conflict with US/Taiwan.

Carriers and air superiority are a long ways away, but not unachievable.

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 09 Nov 2007 05:56

A reserve army of unemployed ex-servicemen worries China's leaders (Economist)

Raju · Post by **Raju** » 08 Dec 2007 19:47

China in Africa: Developing ties

Tens Of Thousands Of Chinese In Angola

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7047127.stm

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 08 Dec 2007 19:59

Does anybody know in what context did Napoleon say "Let China Sleep" or "when it awakes, the world will shake.".

Did he get confused with Mongols?

Another one of those manufactured sayings...He never said it. These quotes are dime a dozen for Churchill.

Think about it..the west has never understood the Russians(Mystery in a riddle wrapped inside an enigma). How can they predict the Orientals.

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 08 Dec 2007 22:02

The plan to topple Pakistan's military

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IL06Df03.html

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 01 Jan 2008 09:08

Is Taiwan Issue Headed for an Imminent Showdown?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080101/ts_ ... issiles_dc

Wow, the timing of the Taiwan stuff could become pretty inconvenient, given all the stuff happening with Pak right now.

The question is, will China blow its top and invade if Taiwan seeks UN recognition of separate status, or will it just use its veto?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 03 Jan 2008 04:41

China's Rich Flout One-Child Laws

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 03 Jan 2008 05:44

RayC wrote:The plan to topple Pakistan's military

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IL06Df03.html

"We have indications of Indian involvement with anti-state elements in Pakistan," declared the spokesman of the Pakistan Foreign Office in a regular briefing in October. The statement was terse and direct, and the spokesman, Tasnim Aslam, quickly moved on to other issues.

This is how a Pakistani official explained Aslam's statement: "What she was really saying is this: We know what the Indians are doing. They've sold the Americans on the idea that [the Indians] are an authority on Pakistan and can be helpful in Afghanistan. The Americans have bought the idea and are in on the plan, giving the Indians a free hand in Afghanistan. What the Americans don't know is that we, too, know the Indians very well. Better still, we know Afghanistan very well. You can't beat us at our own game."

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 07 Jan 2008 07:24

China Plans New Commercial Aviation Route Through Taiwan Straits

What is China up to?

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 13 Jan 2008 04:46

KMT Wins Taiwan Elections

Obviously US and Chinese backing must have helped

Will they still go through with that vote for a UN seat?