Pakistani Role in Global Terrorism

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shiv wrote:
Lalmohan wrote:I think this thread has 'served its purpose', everyone now automatically connects terrorism and pakistan without a second thought - maybe admins should consider changing tack on this theme?
Sorry Lalmohan - did you actually have the time and opportunity to ping "everyone" on the issue?

There is no such state of existence in which "everyone" knows something - no matter how important or obvious it may seem to you.

The forum loses nothing by keeping the thread, and what puzzles me is your sudden decision that this particular thread may be unnecessary.

However a thread regarding some changed or different tack might be useful, but do you have any ideas beyond your statement "maybe admins should consider changing tack on this theme?"
shiv - i have noticed over time that your logic and my logic are frequently incompatible - bit like intel and motorola chips; both able to compute but essentially not with each other. thats not to say that i think you are wrong, more that you tend to interpret my words in ways and from angles which i find interesting and sometimes unexpected. Probably best to leave it there.

my suggestion was not to end the topic, i am more than content for this thread to be an archive as others have suggested. the thread began essentially to draw attention to the root cause - a purpose which in my opinion which has been served - judging by the typical tone taken in editorials these days, compared to when this thread first began.
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Wiretaps snared money man
Published: Friday, September 21, 2007
Khalid Awan had a reputation as an international man of mystery.

Born in Pakistan on Jan. 15, 1962, he later immigrated to Canada where he opened an immigration consulting business near Toronto. He carried a card saying he was a member of the Karachi Bar Association.

He expanded into the U.S., spending much of his time in New York, though maintaining contact with his sisters in Montreal.

Awan's legal woes across the 49th parallel began when he was arrested after 9/11 for federal credit card fraud charges.

While incarcerated at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, he chatted up fellow prisoners about his close ties to the Khalistan Commando Force (KCF) and in particular Paramjit Singh Panjwar, who is one of India's 10 most wanted fugitives.

He tried to recruit one of those men into the group, urging him to make contact with Panjwar once he was out of jail.

But the would-be recruit went to police instead and the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force launched a probe in 2003. Awan was captured on wiretaps talking about his support for the terrorist group. He even called Panjwar in Pakistan from the detention centre.

Other New York fundraisers for the Khalistan group cooperated with police and testified against Awan.

They all said they would collect thousands of dollars and then give it to Awan to send to Pakistan. They knew it was to be used for "the KCF's ongoing attacks in India, including bombings of buildings and bridges in Punjab, Delhi and Uttar Pradesh."

After money arrived in Pakistan, Panjwar would call the U.S. and confirm its receipt. He described Awan to one of the witnesses as "a good friend" and "trustworthy."

"At one meeting, Awan showed photographs of himself and Panjwar and explained that he and Panjwar were very good friends."

Snapshots seized from Awan's Garden City, N.Y., residence were entered as exhibits at his trial, showing Panjwar sitting cross-legged on the floor in Pakistan, flanked by supporters, sharing biscuits and a cup of tea.

The indiscreet Canadian recounted dinners he had with Panjwar and members of Pakistan's Intelligence Service, known as the ISI, which has long supported Sikh separatist groups.

"According to Awan, at one of the meetings an ISI colonel praised Awan for his work, calling him a 'silent mujahid' or silent warrior," the court document says.

"Awan also explained that in addition to KCF leader Panjwar and Pakistani ISI officers, these meetings included Ameer Ul-Azeem, a leader of Jamaat-e-Islam, a fundamentalist political party."

Awan also sent another man to travel with him to Pakistan "to meet Panjwar and receive military training in weapons and explosives at a KCF training camp."

The court heard that while Awan is Muslim, he worked with Sikh separatists because destabilizing India would help the Pakistani cause in the disputed state of Kashmir.

While much of the case built against Awan came from his indiscreet phone calls and associates who cooperated with police, the 45-year-old provided some of the most damning evidence against himself in a February 2006 interview with U.S. agents.

"Awan told the agents that he had transferred $60,000 to $70,000 (to Panjwar)," the court was told. "Awan said he knew the money 'was going to be used for bad things' which Awan described as 'shooting and killing of innocent people . . . in India.'

"Awan told agents that he was friends with Panjwar because Panjwar was a terrorist. He also said that he knew the KCF killed people in India and described the methods that the KCF used to smuggle terrorists into India to conduct the attacks."
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Awan told agents that he was friends with Panjwar because Panjwar was a terrorist.
:evil:

That is true Pakiness in full flow and splendour.
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Lalmohan wrote: maybe admins should consider changing tack on this theme?
Actually this suggestion gives me an idea. Since this forum, and all these threads were started, the internet has seen an explosion of videos, and we could have a dedicated Pakistan multimedia thread for thehigh-bandwidth-time-on-hands gyan seekers.

I will implement that very soon.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/world ... nted=print
[quote]September 24, 2007
Glimpses of a Shadowy World in Pakistan
By MICHAEL MOSS and SOUAD MEKHENNET

STUTTGART, Germany, Sept. 17 — Aleem Nasir, a 45-year-old German citizen who was held for two months this summer in Pakistan and interrogated by Pakistani and Western agents about terrorism-related activities, concedes that “they have their right to be worried about me.â€
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Mass arrests of TSPians continue.
FBI arrests six more Pakistan-origin suspects on charges of money laundering
Washington, Sept 24: The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has arrested six more suspects of Pakistani origin from Maryland on charges of money laundering.

On Thursday, 11 suspects were arrested in Maryland, including nine illegal immigrants from Pakistan. On the same day, US federal officials had indicted 39 people, including some Pakistani operators of convenience stores in Eastern Shore communities, the Dawn reported.

Saifullah Ranjha, one of the defendants, was also charged with attempting to finance the al Qaeda.

Commenting on the arrests, Pakistan's Ambassador Mahmud Ali Durrani said that he did not know the details of this particular case, but similar cases in the past has shown that "American officials were often too zealous." :lol:

Durrani further said that in many cases either the charges brought against the suspects were difficult to prove or the suspects were released or offered plea bargains.

Meanwhile, Spanish officials said on that acting on tips received from the FBI, they had arrested two Pakistanis from Madrid and Barcelona.

According to police, Anar Muhammad Shan and Mehmood Sandhu, who are members of a terror group, have allegedly collaborated with their accomplices in the US to transfer money to alleged al Qaeda men in Pakistan.

The FBI, however, has claimed that no such money transaction took place.

These arrests have stunned Pakistani-Americans, as they fear that it would further strengthen the negative stereotyping of their community in this country.

"People are scared. It will have a very negative impact on the entire community," said Munir Ahmad, a member of the Maryland Muslim Council.

"People say that they were licensed money dealers and apparently law-abiding citizens. We don't know what happened," Munir Ahmad added.

Pakistani-Americans are so sacred that even during Ramzan, they are not giving money charities to mosques, Irfan Malik, of the National Association of Pakistani-Americans who also lives in Maryland, said.

"There are many people who must have gone to the stores and gas stations run by the suspects. Now they fear that the FBI may knock at their doors," Malik said.

After 9/11, in some people were arrested "just for standing near a suspect," he added.

According to reports, 45 suspects have been arrested so far in this sting operation in North America and Europe.

"Federal prosecutors are seeking $5.1 million in criminal forfeitures and ownership interest in two convenience stores located in Snow Hill, which belonged to a Pakistani," the daily reported.

Federal prosecutors have identified one suspect as Mohammed Ahsan, a 49-year old Pakistani-American who lives in a Washington suburb Laurel.

As per the US officials, Ahsan was involved in laundering 520,000 dollars through his home in 2005 and 2006, believing he was helping drug dealers move their illicit money out of the United States. (ANI)
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The UN report, from UNAMA titled, â€
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The article is about US efforts to fight IEDs. It's a great read. Go to the Washington Post website to read parts 1 and 2.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 60_pf.html

Suicide attacks were approaching three each week, according to State Department and United Nations figures, from three in all of 2004 and 17 in 2005. Often recruited in Pakistani madrassas and frequently driving a Toyota Corolla painted to look like a taxi, the typical bomber was male, 15 to 35 years old, "clean-shaven . . . nervous, restless, eyes fixed, glazed, avoids eye contact," according to a U.S. military description. Hair samples from dead bombers showed that many were drugged with sedatives.

The Spider Mod 1 radio-controlled bomb trigger first seen in 2002 continued to appear, but evolutions had reached the Spider Mod 5. Those, too, came from Pakistan, U.S. intelligence believed, often with the radio frequency and firing code written on the case by the bombmaker for the emplacer's benefit.
The Acorn jammer initially sent to Afghanistan in 2002 still worked against the Spiders, but additional jammers would be needed against other devices detonated by radio waves.
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Excellent article in the NY Newsday today. Full of details. Save it.

It asks the all important question -- "Is Musharraf and PakiSatan doing all it can to fight terror, or is Musharraf saying one thing to the West and doing another".

And it answers, most emphatically, that Mush and his mushlets are two-timing, double-crossing, Taliban supporting (even on this late date in 2007), terrorism sponsoring cockroaches.


SUPPORT NETWORK IN PAKISTAN ACCUSED OF HELPING TALIBAN, OTHERS SNEAK ACROSS BORDER TO ATTACK U.S.
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Yet another terrorist linked with Pakistan.

This time a " teenager, who is a British national but has dual nationality with Pakistan" :


Boy facing jail for owning the Anarchist Cookbook

Is the plethora of Pakistani linked terrorists around the globe a function of nature (genetics) or nurture (socialisation) :?:
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jrjrao wrote:Excellent article in the NY Newsday today. Full of details. Save it. ........................

SUPPORT NETWORK IN PAKISTAN ACCUSED OF HELPING TALIBAN, OTHERS SNEAK ACROSS BORDER TO ATTACK U.S.
With a salute to Fleetwood Mac’s “Tell me Lies, Sweet Little Liesâ€
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X Post. Thanks Gerard.
Terrorists in training head to Pakistan

A dangerous new pattern emerges, illustrated by cases in Denmark and Germany.

By Dirk Laabs and Sebastian Rotella
Special to The Times

October 14, 2007

ULM, GERMANY — As Al Qaeda regains strength in the badlands of the Pakistani-Afghan border, an increasing number of militants from mainland Europe are traveling to Pakistan to train and to plot attacks on the West, European and U.S. anti-terrorism officials say.

The emerging route, illuminated by alleged bomb plots dismantled in Germany and Denmark last month, represents a new and dangerous reconfiguration. In recent years, the global flow of Muslim fighters had shifted to the battlefields of Iraq after the loss of Al Qaeda's Afghan sanctuary in late 2001.

"There have always been people going to Pakistan, but it is more frequent now," said a senior French intelligence official who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on condition of anonymity. "There is a return. It is a cycle. . . . And you have the attractive phenomenon that all the big chiefs of Al Qaeda are there."

Unlike Iraq, where foreign fighters plunge quickly into combat, recruits in Pakistan are more likely to be groomed for missions in the West. Aspiring holy warriors drawn to the Pakistani-Afghan border region today include European converts and militants from Arab, Turkish and North African backgrounds, investigators said.

"Pakistan worries me more than Iraq," a top Belgian anti-terrorism official said. "It's true that Iraq scares them a bit because many of them end up getting strapped up with the explosive belt right away. In Pakistan, they have time to be trained as operatives."

But the path is not straight or easy. In the German case, at least a dozen suspects meandered among Koranic schools in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Syria, then traveled through Iran into Pakistan. Several suspects were detained by Pakistani authorities en route to training camps, their seemingly improvised, sometimes amateurish odysseys contrasting with their alleged ferocity.

In the past, the main threat from that part of the world has involved young men from Britain's large Pakistani diaspora targeting Britain and the United States. In a half-dozen plots since 2003, British operatives trained in Pakistan, made contact with fugitive Al Qaeda leaders and returned home to strike. They succeeded in July 2005, when the first suicide bombings in Western Europe killed 52 people aboard the London transport system.

In contrast, extremists from North African and Arab immigrant communities in Germany, France, Spain and Italy have been more likely to join networks based in North Africa or the Iraq region.

But today, even small countries such as Belgium, Denmark and Switzerland have detected non-Pakistani extremists going to Pakistani training outposts, officials say. Pakistani immigrant communities in mainland Europe are smaller than Britain's, but could serve as conduits to the networks, police say.

In Spain, radical Pakistani imams and recruiters are muscling into predominantly North African mosques, a senior Spanish anti-terrorism official said. In Italy, Moroccan and Tunisian extremists communicate by Internet with extremists in Pakistan in an effort to show they are major players, an Italian anti-terrorism official said.

These new links, combined with the unprecedented plots against Germany and Denmark, show a gathering menace, the official said.

"I think that Europe has been at extremely high risk during the past six months," he said. "First, because many fighters have returned from Iraq. Second, because of the real problem of Pakistan."

In the Danish case, the leader of an alleged cell was trained by Al Qaeda in Pakistan in an apparent plot to kill Danish civilians, partly as revenge for the publication of caricatures of the prophet Muhammad, anti-terrorism officials say. In the German case, police in September arrested three suspects accused of assembling 1,500 pounds of explosive materials for vehicle bombings near U.S. military bases. The trio allegedly took orders from Islamic Jihad Union, an Al Qaeda ally based in Pakistan.

Although not a crime under German law, training in a foreign militant camp is a vital step in radicalization. The idea of the journey itself has ideological resonance, evoking Muhammad's flight from Mecca to Medina in the 7th century.

The German case is a reminder of the loose, almost anarchic workings of a radical underworld; extremists need time, perseverance and initiative.

"It is very organic, not planned or structured," a German intelligence official said. "It's the chaos principle, just as Al Qaeda has always been chaotic. It is about chance. No one sits somewhere in the Hindu Kush with a map and draws circles on it and says: This is where we have to send people."

The path began in this town near Stuttgart, where a mix of German converts and Arab and Turkish immigrants coalesced in an alleged extremist cell at a notoriously radical mosque. They made contact with their Egyptian imam's son-in-law, who directed the Qortoba Arabic-language school in the Egyptian city of Alexandria, intelligence officials say. Starting in 2005, the three main suspects spent time at the Alexandria school.

Even if many teachers and students are not violent fundamentalists, Arabic and Koranic schools in the Middle East are classic gateways of radicalization for European Muslims. German suspects also attended such schools in Saudi Arabia and Syria and roamed in Turkey, investigators say, drifting abroad for months at a time.

It is believed that Fritz Gelowicz, the accused ringleader, met a key contact at a Koranic school in Damascus, Syria, in 2005: a militant from the Baluchistan region of Pakistan who became the liaison to the camps, an anti-terrorism official said.

In March 2006, Gelowicz and two other suspects trained at a camp in the lawless Waziristan region, according to Pakistani and U.S. intelligence provided to German investigators. Intelligence reports indicate that a German-speaking trainer worked with some German suspects, an anti-terrorism source said.

Investigators say the training camp was near the city of Mir Ali, which has seen heavy fighting in recent days as Pakistani forces clash with Al Qaeda and Taliban militants. The suspects used a variety of contacts and routes. But they all entered Pakistan via Iran, German investigators say. In Iran, with its heavy security force presence, it seems unlikely that those forces would not spot foreign militants in transit, particularly German converts, investigators said. Iranian authorities either looked the other way or were complicit, they said.

"It's impossible for them to cross Iran without help," the Italian anti-terrorism official said. "I think it implies support from the Iranian authorities."

The attitude of Shiite Iran toward Sunni Al Qaeda has been ambiguous. Iranian authorities have arrested some Al Qaeda figures and protected others, seeing the terrorist network as a useful weapon against the West, anti-terrorism officials say.

The role of the Koranic school in Syria raises similar questions. Several European investigations have identified schools in Damascus as busy gateways where foreign fighters, posing as students, make contact with operatives who help them join the Iraqi insurgency. That recruitment and logistical activity has the permission or involvement of Syrian spies, European investigators say.

As the plot gathered momentum early this year, a second wave of associates set off from Germany. But U.S. and German police had begun intense surveillance, and Pakistani police were on alert. During the first half of the year, Pakistani authorities arrested seven militants.

Their futile treks suggest that there is no smooth and sophisticated pipeline to the camps.

On June 10, two alleged key figures in the group made it only a few miles across the Pakistani border before their capture at a bus stop. Tolga Duerbin and Houssein al Malah had met a contact in Tehran, paid $100 to a smuggler in an Iranian border town, and were carrying satellite phones and fake Afghan IDs when they were caught, according to investigators and a defense lawyer.

Pakistani police locked them in an underground prison in Islamabad, the capital, blindfolded them and grilled them about associates in Germany, said Duerbin's lawyer, Michael Sertsoez. Duerbin said American agents were present during interrogations, the lawyer said.

Like most of those arrested in Pakistan, the two were eventually deported. Duerbin is in jail in Germany, accused of recruiting the leader of the group, while Al Malah and another suspect are free and being monitored.

But police continue hunting for three accomplices thought to be on the loose in Europe and Turkey, potentially dangerous veterans of the path to Pakistan.

rotella@latimes.com

Special correspondent Laabs reported from Ulm and Times staff writer Rotella from Paris and Madrid.

LA Times
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No surprise that the student is Pakistani :
Oct. 19, 2007, 10:04PM

Student faces more charges in 'battlefield jihad' case

By CINDY GEORGE

Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

Federal prosecutors have filed additional charges against Adnan Mirza, one of the four Muslim students accused of preparing to join the Taliban to fight U.S.-led forces overseas.

Mirza, 30, was accused of planning to engage in "battlefield jihad" in the Middle East and financially supporting the terrorism group.

Here on a student visa, the Pakistani originally was charged in a four-count indictment with Kobie Williams, a U.S. citizen attending the University of Houston-Downtown. Williams, 34, pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge last year and awaits sentencing.

The new 13-count indictment names Mirza alone and more completely outlines the allegations against him.

The charges include 10 firearm possession offenses, the alleged purchase of ammunition at a gun show for use during a paramilitary exercise and two conspiracy counts related to the training and financial support. He is accused of failing to secure a work visa before starting a job and overstaying his visa.

The indictment also alleges that $1,000 earmarked for Taliban fighters and their families passed through Mirza's hands.

Mirza, who had been studying biomedical technology at Houston Community College before his arrest last November, engaged in firearms training eight times at Houston-area campsites and shooting ranges from May 2005 through June 2006, the indictment alleges.
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Another one of the futile exercises - giving broof to dumbf**ks in TSP...

India gives Pak proof of cross-border linkages to Terrorism
India on Monday sought Pakistan's cooperation in tracking down the suspects in the recent bomb blasts in Hyderabad, Ajmer and Ludhiana as it provided evidence of the cross-border linkages to these incidents at the Joint Anti-Terror Meeting (JATM) here. "The Pakistani side assured that it will look into the evidence," a source said. { yeah right, until there are no more mullahs in TSP} India also sought to know what Pakistan had done to track down those believed to be behind a bomb blast on Samjhauta Express in February that killed 68 passengers.
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bala wrote:
giving broof to dumbf**ks in TSP...

The "dumbf**ks" are on the Indian side -- TSP is gaining valuable intelligence for free because the folks on the Indian side are handing it over to them for free. This should help TSP fix all the mistakes made the last time around when their jihadis committed terror in India.

Clearly, handing over evidence of terrorism in the 93 bomb blasts to the US and having it disappear has not yet made an impression on the folkd
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Scottish "would-be-suicide-bomber" gets 8 years jail
A Scottish college student who declared that he intended to become a suicide bomber after scouring extremist Islamic sites on the Internet was sentenced Tuesday to eight years in prison.

Mohammed Atif Siddique, {should be of TSPian origin} 21, was convicted in September of four terrorism offenses and also of causing a disturbance by telling fellow students he planned to become a suicide bomber. Prosecutors said during the four-week trial that security agents watched Siddique for several months before he was arrested in April 2006 as he tried to board a flight from Glasgow to Lahore.
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Sridhar,

Pakistani origin confirmed by Reuters :
….. Siddique, born in Scotland to Pakistani immigrants, ……..
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And from Afghanistan more Pakistani Origin terrorists :
Two Taliban commanders, three Pakistanis nabbed

Mon, 29/10/2007 - 02:30 — matt
Source: Pajhwak Afghan News Agency
KANDAHAR CITY, Oct 27 (Pajhwok Afghan News): Two Taliban commanders and three Pakistani terror suspects were investigated following their arrest on the Kandahar-Uruzgan Highway a week earlier, an intelligence officer claimed on Saturday.

The Pakistanis - two from Peshawar and one from the Punjab province - had sneaked into Afghanistan for fighting alongside Taliban militants, Kandahar intelligence chief Abdul Qayyum Katawazi told a news briefing here.


He alleged the detainees, who had stolen into Kandahar from the Chaman border town of the Balochistan province, trained the guerrillas and supplied weapons to them.

Intelligence operatives held them on their way to the Uruzgan province, where insurgency-linked violence has spiked in recent years, added Katawazi, who neither named nor gave any details about the Taliban commanders.

One of the Pakistanis who introduced himself as Wajid, hailing from Jamrud tehsil of Khyber Agency, confessed they had been trained in Pakistan before being tasked with fighting infidels in Afghanistan. But he regretted his mistake, saying the situation in the landlocked country was altogether different.

Two months back, three Pakistani nationals had been nabbed in Kandahar. The provincial authorities then charged they had crossed into the southern province to carry out suicide attacks on Afghan and foreign troops and other officials.
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X Post.

UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband’s comment on Oct 19, 2007 (Link) :

“ I think it's, this is a massive issue in Britain because eight hundred thousand British people have got Pakistani origin, seventy per cent of the terrorist plots that our security forces are, are chasing have Pakistani links. “

Last I checked Pakistani origin people made up 1.3% of the UK’s population.

By what madrassah magic does 1.3 = 70 :?: .
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The "dumbf**ks" are on the Indian side -- TSP is gaining valuable intelligence for free because the folks on the Indian side are handing it over to them for free. This should help TSP fix all the mistakes made the last time around when their jihadis committed terror in India.

Clearly, handing over evidence of terrorism in the 93 bomb blasts to the US and having it disappear has not yet made an impression on the folkd
Somehow,however i despise the babus and the netas,dont think they would be so dumb.....me thinks that the "dossier" will just be generic statements with few clippings thrown in....all the dossier business just for media/unkil approval that both the "s.asian" countries are sorting out their differences in brotherly fashion...no real intel value stuff will be given out(i hope and pray)
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India certainly lives in a *hitty neighbourhood.

At the head of class as a “key future flashpoints for militant jihadistsâ€
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Pakistan to Europe: a pipeline of terror
Officials probe emerging link from haven to cells

By Dirk Laabs and Sebastian Rotella, Los Angeles Times | October 17, 2007


ULM, Germany - As Al Qaeda regains strength in the remote areas of the Pakistani-Afghan border, more militants from mainland Europe are traveling to Pakistan to train and to plot attacks on the West, European and US antiterror officials say.

The emerging route, illuminated by alleged bomb plots dismantled in Germany and Denmark last month, represents a new and dangerous reconfiguration. In recent years, the global flow of Muslim fighters had shifted to the battlefields of Iraq after the loss of Al Qaeda's Afghan sanctuary in 2001.

"There have always been people going to Pakistan, but it is more frequent now," said a senior French intelligence official who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on condition of anonymity. "There is a return. It is a cycle. . . . And you have the attractive phenomenon that all the big chiefs of Al Qaeda are there."

Unlike Iraq, where foreign fighters plunge quickly into combat, recruits in Pakistan are more likely to be groomed for missions in the West. Aspiring holy warriors drawn to the Pakistani-Afghan border region include European converts and militants from Arab, Turkish, and North African backgrounds, investigators said.

"Pakistan worries me more than Iraq," a top Belgian antiterrorism official said. "It's true that Iraq scares them a bit because many of them end up getting strapped up with the explosive belt right away. In Pakistan, they have time to be trained as operatives."

The path is not straight or easy. In the German case, at least a dozen suspects meandered among Koranic schools in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Syria, then traveled through Iran into Pakistan. Several suspects were detained by Pakistani authorities en route to training camps, their seemingly improvised, sometimes amateurish odysseys contrasting with their alleged ferocity.

In the past, the main threat from that part of the world has involved young men from Britain's large Pakistani diaspora targeting Britain and the United States. In half a dozen plots since 2003, British operatives trained in Pakistan, made contact with fugitive Al Qaeda leaders, and returned home to strike. They succeeded in July 2005, when suicide bombings in Western Europe killed 52 people aboard the London transport system.

In contrast, extremists from North African and Arab immigrant communities in Germany, France, Spain, and Italy have been more likely to join networks based in North Africa or the Iraq region.

But today, even small countries such as Belgium, Denmark, and Switzerland have detected non-Pakistani extremists going to Pakistani training outposts, officials say. Pakistani immigrant communities in mainland Europe are smaller than Britain's but could serve as conduits to the networks, police say.

In Spain, radical Pakistani imams and recruiters are muscling into predominantly North African mosques, a senior Spanish antiterror official said. In Italy, Moroccan and Tunisian extremists communicate by Internet with extremists in Pakistan in an effort to show they are major players, an Italian antiterrorism official said.

These new links, combined with the unprecedented plots against Germany and Denmark, show a gathering menace, the official said.

"I think that Europe has been at extremely high risk during the past six months," he said. "First, because many fighters have returned from Iraq. Second, because of the real problem of Pakistan."

In the Danish case, the leader of an alleged cell was trained by Al Qaeda in Pakistan in an apparent plot to kill Danish civilians, partly as revenge for the publication of caricatures of the prophet Mohammed, antiterrorism officials say.

In the German case, police in September arrested three suspects accused of assembling 1,500 pounds of explosive materials for vehicle bombings near US military bases. The trio allegedly took orders from Islamic Jihad Union, an Al Qaeda ally based in Pakistan.

The path began in this town near Stuttgart, where a mix of German converts and Arab and Turkish immigrants coalesced in an alleged extremist cell at a notoriously radical mosque. They made contact with their Egyptian imam's son-in-law, who directed the Qortoba Arabic-language school in the Egyptian city of Alexandria, intelligence officials say. Starting in 2005, the three main suspects spent time at the Alexandria school.

Even if many teachers and students are not violent fundamentalists, Arabic and Koranic schools in the Middle East are classic gateways of radicalization for European Muslims. German suspects also attended such schools in Saudi Arabia and Syria and roamed in Turkey, investigators say, drifting abroad for months at a time.

It is believed that Fritz Gelowicz, the accused ringleader, met a key contact at a Koranic school in Damascus, in 2005: a militant from the Baluchistan region of Pakistan who became the liaison to the camps, according to an antiterrorism official.

In March 2006, Gelowicz and two other suspects trained at a camp in the lawless Waziristan region of Pakistan, according to Pakistani and US intelligence provided to German investigators. Intelligence reports indicate that a German-speaking trainer worked with some German suspects, an antiterror source said.

Investigators say the training camp was located near the city of Mir Ali, which has seen heavy fighting recently as Pakistani forces clash with Al Qaeda and Taliban militants. The suspects used a variety of contacts and routes. But they all entered Pakistan via Iran, German investigators say. In a police state such as Iran, it seems unlikely that security forces would not spot foreign militants in transit, particularly German converts, investigators said. Iranian authorities either looked the other way or were complicit, they said.

The attitude of Shi'ite Iran to Sunni Al Qaeda has been ambiguous. Iranian authorities have arrested some Al Qaeda figures and protected others, seeing Al Qaeda as a useful weapon against the West, antiterror officials say.

The role of the Koranic school in Syria raises similar questions. Several European investigations have identified schools in Damascus as busy gateways where foreign fighters, posing as students, contact operatives who help them join the Iraqi insurgency.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe ... of_terror/
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/ ... Threat.php
Official: Militant Pakistani group causes terror concerns in New York
NEW YORK: A follower of an Islamic militant group caused a previously undisclosed scare in 2004 when someone in his truck took mobile phone photos of the support structures of the Brooklyn and Williamsburg bridges, a police official said.

The New York Police Department uncovered the suspected reconnaissance mission in Manhattan while investigators already were on alert that Pakistani immigrants loyal to the radical Sunni group, Sipah-e-Sahaba, were in the city "and possibly up to no good," said Paul Browne, the NYPD's top spokesman.

The spokesman detailed the bridge episode in response to a report on Friday in the Daily News that the NYPD was involved in the detention of a member of the group who is purportedly wanted in Pakistan for the assassination of a Shiite leader.

The NYPD has credited one of its intelligence analysts with piecing together evidence that the suspect, Akhtar Hussain Muawia, had used an alias to slip into the United States after the 1997 assassination and was working as a clerk at a grocery store in Jersey City, New Jersey, across the Hudson River from New York.

Muawia, 33, was detained in May and is fighting deportation. His attorney has denied he was involved in the killing or any acts of terrorism.

The NYPD's involvement in the Muawia case reflects its concerns that U.S. followers of lesser-known radical groups like Sipah-e-Sahaba could pose a threat to the city. The Pakistani government outlawed the group after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in an effort to purge the country of extremism, much of it anti-American.

The group also has been designated a terrorist organization by the State Department.

Investigators from the NYPD's Intelligence Division first became aware of a Sipah-e-Sahaba presence in the city in the summer of 2003, Browne said. That fall, acting on an unfounded tip about a potential plot against the subways, police and the FBI that fall raided a Brooklyn apartment where they discovered membership applications and other documents related to the group.

In 2004, a truck traveling on the FDR caught the attention of an off-duty police officer by pausing to let someone inside "photograph the supporting structures underneath the Brooklyn and Williamsburg bridges," Browne said. It was later learned that the truck was registered to Tariq Javid, whose name was on a Sipah-e-Sahaba membership list found in the Brooklyn apartment.

Under questioning, Javid first denied knowing anything about the group, then admitted he had signed a membership form, according to court papers. However, he denied knowing anything about photographs of the bridges.

Last year, Javid pleaded guilty to making a false statement and was sentenced to one year probation.
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An airport worker who wrote poems about beheadings is the first woman to be found guilty under new terror laws.

Samina Malik, who liked to call herself a "lyrical terrorist", called for attacks on the West and described "poisoned bullets" capable of killing an entire street in her poetry.

The 23-year-old Muslim wrote of her desire to become a martyr and listed her favourite videos as the "beheading ones". .....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770
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L.A. police plan to map Muslim areas

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21713765/

The LAPD's counterterrorism bureau plans to identify Muslim enclaves in order to determine which might be likely to become isolated and susceptible to "violent, ideologically based extremism," said Deputy Chief Michael P. Downing on Thursday.

"We want to know where the Pakistanis, Iranians and Chechens are so we can reach out to those communities," said Downing, who heads the counterterrorism bureau.
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India links emerge in Maldives terror probe
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Male bombing suspect Moosa Inas travelled to India in 2005, records show

— File PHOTO: AFP

A Maldivian policeman guards the popular Sultan Park in Male.

MALE (MALDIVES): An Islamist cell which executed Maldives’ first-ever terror strike had connections with Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives in India, investigators have discovered.

Moosa Inas, a Laamu atoll resident charged with having triggered the explosive device which went off in Male’s Sultan Park on September 29, had travelled to Thiruvananthapuram in December 2005. Inas arrived in Kerala on a flight through Colombo, and then crossed the India-Pakistan border at Attari to meet contacts linked to the Jamia Salafiyya in Faisalabad — a seminary that has produced key Lashkar commanders.

Twelve tourists were injured in the explosion, which was executed both to signal Islamist opposition to the government and to cripple the islands’ economy.

Designed using a low-grade explosive, the device was similar in its construction to those which went off recently in Ajmer and Hyderabad, barring a switch to prevent accidental detonation — a response to the high incidence of wrong-number calls in Maldives’ mobile networks.

Maldives authorities say at least 10 key operatives, including computer engineer Abdul Latif Ibrahim and Ali Shameem, have fled to Pakistan. Both were on a watch list of suspects the Maldives government believed were preparing to receive training at Islamist facilities in Pakistan. Inas, however, was deported from Colombo along with another suspect, Ahmed Naseer, before they could catch connecting flights to Karachi.

Little information on Inas’ contacts in Pakistan — where he again travelled in 2006, transiting through Colombo and Dubai — has so far been made available by the joint Maldives-U.S. team which is investigating the Sultan Park bombing. However, a growing mass of evidence suggests that Lashkar cadre in India were activated to support the cell of which he was a part.

Asif Ibrahim, a Maldivian national arrested in Kerala in April 2005, told investigators that he had been tasked with the setting up of a support unit for a new Maldives-based terror group, the Jamaat-ul-Muslimeen, in Thiruvananthapuram. Asif Ibrahim’s handlers hoped that the unit would be able to procure bomb components more easily than in Maldives, where a strict national identity card system makes such purchases vulnerable to police investigation.

Although Asif Ibrahim was unable to set up the cell, the Lashkar activated several local operatives in support of the enterprise. Jamshedpur resident Tariq Akhtar was summoned to Dhaka in 2005, where he received orders from the Pakistan-based Lashkar commander Abdul Aziz to meet Islamists in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives. Mumbai resident Shami Ahmad Shah was tasked with obtaining a fake passport for Akhtar.

Interestingly, India’s intelligence services warned last year of efforts by the Karachi-based mafioso Dawood Ibrahim Kaksar to set up operations in Maldives through a Dubai-based firm, Dolphin Management Services. Elements linked to the Dawood mafia are thought to have been involved in at least one recent effort to ship Lashkar terrorists to Mumbai through the Indian Ocean.

Terror funded by tsunami aid?


Experts believe that at least some of the infrastructure for the Maldives terror cell might have been financed with funds provided by the Idara Khidmaq-e-Khalq, the Lashkar’s charity wing. Although the IKK is proscribed by the U.S. and India, it continues to operate legitimately in Pakistan, raising several million dollars a year through religious donations.

According to documents published online by the IKK, the organisation spent Pakistani Rs.17.2 million on tsunami relief in Maldives, Sri Lanka and Indonesia during 2005 — its single largest charitable operation.

However, government officials in Maldives say there is no record of the IKK having registered for relief work — a sign that the funds might have been funnelled to Islamists who then used it to build terror infrastructure.

Similar strategies had helped the Lashkar-e-Taiba significantly expand its presence in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir after the earthquake of 2005.

According to reports that appeared in the United Kingdom and the U.S. media, part of the estimated $10 million raised by the IKK for earthquake relief was used to fund a 2006 plot to blow up 10 transatlantic commercial flights.
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Shyamd, I know that was the headline given in The Hindu. But, more appropriately, it should have been "Pakistani links emerge in Maldives terror probe"
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More evidence of TSP's hand in Maldives' terrorism
[quote]Among the key figures in planning the Sultan Park bombing, investigators believe, was Saeed Ahmed, the Zeenia Manzil Masjid’s leading ideologue.

Mr. Ahmed, who was a key participant in the 2004 street protests against President Gayoom’s regime, left for Pakistan several months ago. His family claims to have no knowledge of his whereabouts.

Like several other Maldives Islamists, Mr. Ahmed is thought to have been linked to the Jamia Salafiya Islamia, a Faislabad-based seminary that has received dozens of religious students from the Maldives. It has also produced several key leaders of one of the world’s most feared terror groups: the Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Among them was Faislabad resident Abdul Malik, who as head of the Lashkar’s Umm ul-Qura camp between 1998 and 2003 trained thousands of Lashkar operatives for the jihad in Jammu and Kashmir. Mr. Malik, operating under the code-name Abu Anas, was killed in a 2003 fire-fight with Indian troops near Sangrama, in northern Jammu and Kashmir

Several Maldives nationals are believed to have trained at Lashkar-run facilities in Pakistan — some during Mr. Malik’s tenure as head of Umm ul-Qura. Ahmad Shah was put through the daura aam, or basic combat course, one Lashkar-run camp in the late 1990s. “So many Maldivians were training there,â€
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Errrumm ………

Hilary Clinton cancels attending a fundraiser in California organized by Sikh’s on “Securityâ€
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72 raisin seeking Pakistani does not get his wish granted :
Afghan army bus bomber foiled: ministry
1 day ago

KABUL (AFP) — Alert Afghan soldiers foiled an attempted bus bombing in Kabul early Monday, preventing a would-be suicide bomber detonating his explosives-laden waistcoat, security officials said.

The soldiers became wary when a man in civilian clothes tried to get on an Afghan army commuter bus, the officials said.

"If he had succeeded it would have been a big tragedy," Kabul police chief Mohammad Salim Ahsas told reporters.

"When he tried to get on the bus a brave officer kicked him and threw him out. Then two brave police officers tied his hands behind his back."

An army general said 40 to 50 soldiers were on board the bus at the time.

Ahsas said initial investigations showed the would-be bomber was Pakistani and that he may have been on drugs at the time. ………….

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Pakistani called British Muslims to jihad, court hears

9 hours ago

LONDON (AFP) — A Pakistani student urged British Muslims to join jihad, or holy war, in the Middle East and Afghanistan, a court in Britain heard Wednesday as the suspect admitted to terrorism-related charges.

Abdul Rahman, 25, who admitted disseminating terrorist information as part of a plea-bargain, was linked to a "radical cell" committed to fighting jihad with their "Muslim brothers," Manchester Crown Court was told.

"What this group, particularly this defendant were involved in, we say was scouting, recruiting and encouraging others to join their philosophy of extreme jihad or holy war," said a prosecutor.

"In essence they were a group, or cell of young men all espousing the radical jihad philosophy that states non-believers in Islam are legitimate targets. In particular the true followers in Afghanistan are the Taliban."

Rahman came to Britain in 2004 on a four-year student visa but quit his course at Dundee University a day after it started, and moved to Manchester where he got a job in a mobile phone shop and met a group of other Muslim men.

The group included fellow Pakistanis, some of them radical Muslims. Rahman helped one of them, a 22-year-old British man who cannot be named for legal reasons, to breach a control order and flee to Pakistan.

On Wednesday Rahman pleaded guilty to possessing a letter which amounted to a "call to arms" from a friend who was fighting in Afghanistan, as well as to disseminating terrorist propaganda and aiding the breach of a control order.

But he pleaded not guilty to the more serious charge of assisting another to commit a terrorist act -- which carries a maximum life jail term.

The plea bargain would see Rahman jailed for a maximum of six years.

The "call to arms" letter was sent to Rahman by a friend and former housemate Aslam Awan, who has since been banned from entering Britain, the court heard.

When arrested in January Rahman had a jiffy bag ready to send back containing two hunting knives and mobile phones.

Computer discs found by police at Rahman's house contained speeches claiming "Allah is calling for jihad." One urged Muslim mothers "rather than raise coward disco boys, raise brave crusaders".

At one stage Rahman was told off by the judge for grinning and laughing as the case against him was outlined.

AFP
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Pakistani called British Muslims to jihad, court hears

9 hours ago

LONDON (AFP) — A Pakistani student urged British Muslims to join jihad, or holy war, in the Middle East and Afghanistan, a court in Britain heard Wednesday as the suspect admitted to terrorism-related charges.

Abdul Rahman, 25, who admitted disseminating terrorist information as part of a plea-bargain, was linked to a "radical cell" committed to fighting jihad with their "Muslim brothers," Manchester Crown Court was told.

"What this group, particularly this defendant were involved in, we say was scouting, recruiting and encouraging others to join their philosophy of extreme jihad or holy war," said a prosecutor.

"In essence they were a group, or cell of young men all espousing the radical jihad philosophy that states non-believers in Islam are legitimate targets. In particular the true followers in Afghanistan are the Taliban."

Rahman came to Britain in 2004 on a four-year student visa but quit his course at Dundee University a day after it started, and moved to Manchester where he got a job in a mobile phone shop and met a group of other Muslim men.

The group included fellow Pakistanis, some of them radical Muslims. Rahman helped one of them, a 22-year-old British man who cannot be named for legal reasons, to breach a control order and flee to Pakistan.

On Wednesday Rahman pleaded guilty to possessing a letter which amounted to a "call to arms" from a friend who was fighting in Afghanistan, as well as to disseminating terrorist propaganda and aiding the breach of a control order.

But he pleaded not guilty to the more serious charge of assisting another to commit a terrorist act -- which carries a maximum life jail term.

The plea bargain would see Rahman jailed for a maximum of six years.

The "call to arms" letter was sent to Rahman by a friend and former housemate Aslam Awan, who has since been banned from entering Britain, the court heard.

When arrested in January Rahman had a jiffy bag ready to send back containing two hunting knives and mobile phones.

Computer discs found by police at Rahman's house contained speeches claiming "Allah is calling for jihad." One urged Muslim mothers "rather than raise coward disco boys, raise brave crusaders".

At one stage Rahman was told off by the judge for grinning and laughing as the case against him was outlined.

AFP
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Mush confirms what we have said for years:
...Pak planning attacks world over: Musharraf

PTI | November 23, 2007 | 00:33 IST

President Pervez Musharraf on Thursday sought to defend imposition of emergency in Pakistan, saying that foreign militants based in the country were planning terrorist strikes all over the world.

"Foreigners are sitting in Pakistan and are planning terrorism all over the world," Musharraf said in an interactive programme telecast on state-run PTV.

"We have caught people who had maps of European countries and targets there. They (the West) are asking us to eliminate these people," Musharraf said.

"We are also concerned because these people are also carrying out suicide bombings inside Pakistan."
He said he has cracked down on groups like Jaish-e-Mohammed which used to openly hold rallies in the country, brandishing arms.

"Sometime ago the Jaish-e-Mohammed would openly hold rallies in Karachi and Bahawalpur with scores of their men welding Kalashnikovs. People were afraid to walk in front of the homes of some of their leaders as men with Kalashnikovs would be standing outside. Is this a joke? Is this a country or a military camp?"

"Now all this has stopped. If you see any more of these men, tell us and we will catch them," he said.

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If he is so open about them, what is the problem to hand over the 20 that India asked.

All these things are various PR jokes asked by GOTUS. GOUTUS and Mushy are playing cruel games on the world.

Until someone other that US gets the capability to convert TSP and B'Desh to parking lots in less than an hour this drama goes on and on.
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After Musharraf declares that Pakistan is indeed the nerve central for terrorism the world over, Commonwealth suspends/boots out Pakistan

Commonwealth suspends Pakistan
In a big blow to Musharraf, Pakistan was suspended from the Commonwealth despite last-minute assurances from the dictator that he would soon lift the state of emergency.

Media reports said a key committee of the Commonwealth decided that the situation in Pakistan, despite some improvement continued to represent a serious violation of the Commonwealth's political values, leaving it with no choice but suspension.

The decision to suspend Pakistan from the 53-nation group will cripple Pakistan financially.
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NYT: Pakistani Group, Suspected by West of Jihadist Ties, Holds Conclave Despite Ban[quote]By JANE PERLEZ

RAIWIND, Pakistan, Nov. 18 — For six days they came: hundreds of thousands of Pakistani men squashed onto a barren rice field, dressed in baggy trousers, crocheted caps on their heads, sandals on their feet and long beards a common feature.

They prayed five times a day, listened to preachers, ate by the flicker of oil lamps and slept, cheek by jowl, on the hard ground.

By Sunday night, the annual convention of the Pakistan-based group Tabligh Jamaat, the largest gathering of Muslims outside Mecca, had come to an end without incident. That, in itself, was remarkable this year: amid the current political crisis, the government had banned all large gatherings and had broken up several others by force.

It was also remarkable because the group, though it publicizes a benign strain of revivalist Islam and is held in wide esteem in many parts of the world, is suspected by Western intelligence agencies to be a recruiting ground for jihadists. The agencies say that among those who have passed through the group were three Western men who have been convicted on terrorism-related charges: John Walker Lindh, Richard Reid and Jose Padilla.

Despite those accusations — and despite the Pakistani government’s declaration of emergency rule in order to deal with, in part, Islamic militants — there never appeared to be any question of raiding the convention.

Supporters of the group say that is because it is fundamentally apolitical. It is often referred to by educated Pakistanis as a soft and gentle crowd who preach a kind of Islam-made-simple. It does not condone violence, and if it attracts attention from jihadist recruiters that may be only because the group has brought so many young men to Islam, its adherents insist.

Founded in India in the 1920s, Tabligh Jamaat blossomed as a revivalist Muslim group in Pakistan and played a prominent role in the growing Islamization of the Pakistani Army in the 1980s.

After the American-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, counterterrorism officials began paying close attention to it after it came to light that some of its sympathizers fought alongside the Taliban against American forces there, said Zahid Hussain, a Pakistani expert on Islamic militants.

The group has followers across Asia and Africa, and a smaller presence in the United States. In Europe, its headquarters is in the British Midlands town of Dewsbury, where two of the suicide bombers in the 2005 London transit attacks attended Tabligh Jamaat lectures, according to British intelligence. The group is also the sponsor of the large mosque planned in London adjacent to the main site of the 2012 Olympic Games.

“The militants have increasingly used Tabligh to recruit people,â€
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DNA interviews Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark
How did you think of writing this book? Was it a difficult project?
Having worked in South Asia for more than a decade, for The Sunday Times and then the Guardian, we were following many of these stories individually and collectively. However, after 2004, when we watched the spectacle of AQ Khan's confession on PTV, we thought of writing his biography, an investigative one examining what appeared to be the greatest proliferation crime of our lifetime.

The more people we interviewed, the more we became aware of how the story went far beyond the actions of one man and his fellow scientists and actually circumscribed the philosophy and deeds of the Pakistan military and its collaborators in the US.

Some critics have said Musharraf is not what he is made out to be. Do your investigations justify that claim? How?
We have stated that the military in Pakistan (and Musharraf) have continuously manipulated the Islamists. The Military and the Islamists have been welded together, militarily, electorally, financially and in some quarters, spiritually. Musharraf although not personally especially religious has espoused these policies that ultimately has led to the proliferation of terrorism in Kashmir, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in India and elsewhere.

He is a pragmatist who has worked with the terrorists and therefore whose proximity to them is such that, while he is in power no real results can come from the campaign against Al-Qaeda or peace in Kashmir.

In encouraging terrorist or radical groups, wasn't he doing what several other generals in the Pakistan army and intelligence bosses have done? Why blame him?
We don't single Musharraf out. We try and unburden the West of its misconceptions by placing him in a context of military leaders who have thought similarly. Western leaders have been seduced by an idea of a soldierly gentlemanly Musharraf, the man he writes of in his autobiography, a fictional creation on a par with Harry Flashman. We explain the evolution of the military's idea, from Zia onwards, how defiance of the West and the rise of the Deobandis in the military changed Pakistan's strategy and outlook.

This strategy kicked in immediately with a nuclear pact signed between Rawalpindi and Tehran in 1987 and 1988. In 1990, they switched to Iraq. The Pakistan military offered Saddam a bomb, and by 1993 the generals went back to Iran, having been turned down by a paranoid Saddam, reaching out too to North Korea. Libya followed.

Their operation too was gradually devolved away from prying eyes in Pakistan with logistics moving to Dubai, manufacturing to Malaysia and South Africa and warehousing to Sudan and other African nations off western radars.

The two perceptions about Musharraf are that he is a moderniser and also that he is two-faced. Is he both or just one?
He is neither. He is in the mould of those who preceded him, in that he continued to acquire great personal wealth, land and houses for himself, his family and his fellow officers. In 1995, Musharraf, used Islamist forces to re-ignite Kashmir, promising Bhutto he could find 10,000 Sunni mercenaries to send over the LoC, recruiting from the LeT and others. They continue to reduce the whole complex cosmology of foreign policy to one idea: revenge on India.

India has started talks with Musharraf. Going by what has appeared about your book, we in India should be worried that he may not be trustworthy?
The best guess is that such is the hatred for him now in Pakistan that Musharraf will no longer be the person India talks to. Even if he survives politically, which is incredibly unlikely, the negotiations will very much go through General Kiani's office and others below him. There are those in the high command, who want a negotiated settlement in Kashmir.

Is there a danger that Pakistan's nukes could fall into the wrong hands? Can Musharraf be relied upon to secure them?
The chances of a bomb going into the wrong hands are a risk but a negligible one. The military will cannibalise itself, producing a new leader to replace Musharraf. It is now as much a corporate structure as a strategic one, and wants stability for its financial empire, as well as its image restored in the eyes of the Pakistan people.

The real and present danger is of fissile material passing into the wrong hands. We know Al-Qaeda and its sympathisers have been and are trying to procure it. We know that in the last five years Pakistan scientists have offered Al-Qaeda the knowledge to make a dirty device or worse.

We know that a surprise audit of Kahuta found much Highly Enriched Uranium was missing. Where had it gone? Some to Iran and North Korea? But the rest?

Should the world be worried about Pakistan?
The West should be worried and depressed by our failure of imagination. We need a new strategy that hinges far more on building civil society and protecting that society, with adequately trained police etc as well as de radicalising it.

We need to support democracy and the progressive forces. The US leverage is over-stated. The one thing that is certain is that the Bush administration has no plan. No way out.
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