Prem wrote:.
There are many good Individual Muslims who are loyal to motherland and has sacrificed for India but as a community Islam demands loyality to Ummah and not to mother country. All these shenanigans to prove the Indian roots are just plain untrue.
Kwaja will serve his community better by being honest and telling the truth that there is nothing Indian about Islamic religious,social, cultural, philosophical practices . As convert to Non Indian dogma , all the major personalities and priniciples of Islamic people in India have alien roots . Indian is the Holy Land of Indics not of Islam and all that is Indic has the right to be predominant over non Indic ethos in India .
Prem: Some good souls might object to the last part in the name of "secularism". Which to them means that state does not take sides. Seemingly Noble. Even if we accept that argument, does not mean that the state does not believe in God. If the answer is No, then are the citizen's of the state OK, with the notion that they have pledged their loyalty to a Godless state.
Ofcourse the folks touting Secularism, want to stay miles away from these seemingly vexed questions.
Let us say, that the state is saying, I do not believe in God, but that does not mean that people cannot believe in their version of their God in the private space.
So, by definition, the state has restricted the FREE practise of faith, compounded further by the state's determiniation to tightly and intrusively control all walks of life, by controlling media, education and touting wrong history. By constituting a set of laws seeking to ameliorate the ills of a community, that does not agree to the definition of these ills. A state that seeks to appease its minorities and further the separation of these communities from the mainstream in Indian, instead of integration. A state of dhimmitude and macuaylization that meekly accepts the structure and definitions of an enlightened state from a foreign body.
The result: The current state of affairs in India.
Religion can never be taken out of Politics for both deal with the people. If religion is to be taken out from the affairs of the state, there needs to be an examination, and ask some very basic questions.
Do the religions of India have a common understanding of religion and God. Just because, there is no common understanding, is the best course of action - to remove "religion" from the affairs of the state or to accept one's definition and reject the other. Further, in doing so, is any injustice being done to by taking either course. What is the best course for peace and harmony? what is the best environment in which the individual feel secure and thrive? What is the majority view?
Is there a larger goal for the nation based on our understanding of our purpose in life? Do we doubt these personal goals? Is there an issue, in the natural adoption of some of these goals for the society we live in? Should not these personal goals be in harmony with national goals? Is there a place for spirituality in the life of a nation?
Do we need to rely on more artificial and enforced constructs or are there other ways? An examination of these questions are in order before we jump to ready made solutions manufactured by the west, for their religion and for their experiences with their religion.