India would raise the issue of terrorism at the forthcoming Indo-Pak Foreign Ministers meeting.
I am sure with this hard-hitting, almost machievellian step by Mr. Constable, the Lakshar-e-Toiba cadres will be peeing in their salwars.
"Those who have done this surely have a design," the Home Minister told mediapersons
rsingh wrote:Something is telling to my dirty mind that
guru-alhindi_jaipur@yahoo.co.uk
is to be followed by
guru-alhindi_agra@yahoo.co.uk
guru-alhindi_banglore@yahoo.co.uk
guru-alhindi_chandigarh@yahoo.co.uk
Is there any way of following such leads to some fruitful ending?
sauravjha wrote:Ramana wrote
M^2, One flaw in your analysis is the fact that the US as the leader of the Anglo-Saxon groups has colluded with Islamists to attack/constrain India. Even now its the US support of TSP that keeps India from retaliating with full fury. Every Islamist extremist takes succor in the fact that when the chips are down the Anglo-Saxon West will bail them out no matter where they are facing defeat. I am afraid you haven't understood the issues at their full depth.
very very true. Islamists complain today , but the fact is, for the greater part of the last 300 years the anglo-saxons have pandered to their whims. the salaam culture for the gora sahib was very much there among the numayindes and vice versa.
the anglo-saxons have through time undermined more modern and progressive islamic formations whether societal or political. it has always propped up the most dirigiste and abhorrent fundamentalists against more forward looking islamic propositions.
modern Turkey is one exception , but i consider that more a function of the soviet threat and Ataturk's acumen than anything else.
Blasts spur fear of religious violence
By Muneeza Naqvi
Associated Press 05/15/2008
JAIPUR, India - The seven bombs that tore through this historic city ripped apart Sumana Khan's life, killing her mother and two aunts and leaving the 4-year-old girl with a broken arm, a fractured leg and shrapnel embedded in her back.
Lying in a crowded hospital Wednesday, Khan and the nearly 200 other wounded were in some ways among the lucky - they survived. Eighty others became the latest deaths in a seemingly endless series of bombings that have terrorized Indian cities in recent years.
Most attacks, like Tuesday's in Jaipur, have hit crowded markets, packed temples, congested trains, mosques filled with worshipers. With authorities repeatedly blaming Islamists for the bombings, each has brought fears of fresh violence between India's Hindu majority and its sizable Muslim minority.
Soon after the attack, officials suggested that blame would eventually fall on Pakistan and the Islamist groups that India accuses its neighbor of backing.
Authorities moved quickly Wednesday to prevent any retaliatory bloodshed, imposing a curfew in Jaipur's walled old city, where all the explosions took place, and deploying police in force.
The result was empty streets and shuttered stores in a city known for its pink-hued palaces and ornate jewelry.
But by evening, the curfew was lifted and people flocked onto the streets, buying groceries and going to prayers, saying they were determined to carry on with life.
"We have nothing to fear," said Vijendra Kumar Sharma, 39, a businessman. "The people in this city are very peace loving; this is the work of outsiders."
When the bombs went off, Sumana Khan's family was shopping while on vacation in Jaipur where they were visiting relatives of her mother.
"The entire family was wiped out," said an inconsolable Liaqat Khan, Sumana's grandfather, his body wracked with sobs as he was being driven home from a cemetery where his three daughters were buried Wednesday morning.
Sumana didn't even get to see her mother buried. She was lying in the Sawai Man Singh hospital with a drip hooked to her arm and bandages all over her small body.
"She's so traumatized that she hasn't said a word all day," said Mohammed Iqbal, an uncle who was taking care of her at the hospital while her father, who was not with the family during the blast, attended the funeral.
"Last night, she kept asking for her mother, but we haven't told her she is dead," Iqbal said.
Police in Jaipur had questioned nearly a dozen people without making any arrests. However, police released a sketch of a man in his early 20s who was believed to have bought bicycles used in the attacks.
Most of the bombs were placed in bags left on bicycles, and investigators traced them all to two shops in Jaipur's old city, Inspector General of Police Pankaj Singh said.
Arun_S wrote:Look at this news repost in USA. Where the victims of the Jaipur terrorists attack are faceless Indian people, the only face and name in this story is a Muslim tourist who is a victim of the attack.
The spin is very clear:
1.) This terror attack was not against Hindues,
2.) It hids the central fact of news reporting that great majority of the people killed were Hindues. Creates a spin that Hindues were not killed, or their killing is irrelevant..
This news report:
A) Hides Islamic perpetrators,
B.) Makes Muslim citizens as the victim,
C) Make Hindus the faceless creatures who are designed by Allaah to be be killed & erased.
Mourn them all - but concentrate on the murderer. The murderer goes scot free as we dance like monkeys claiming more Hindu dead and blaming some idiot reporter and some faceless conspiracy. This is completely wrong.
The murderer is the religion of Mohammad, whose minions are trying to attack Hindus but his murderous followers are too stupid to kill only Hindus - they kill Muslims as well.
Muslims have a responsibility to recognize that their faith actively encourages mass murder in the name of Islam. How about spreading that message boldly rather than howling about some idiotic reports?
When the bomb went off in Jaipur, at 19:25 on Tuesday, I was in Amritsar, hundreds of miles to the north, having Sikhism explained to me by Maninder Singh, a Rajasthani (of which more in a couple of days). What surprised me, although it shouldn't have, is that life went on as it did before. The streets thronged, while everyones' faces reamined glued to the cricket. My mind wandered to the motherland. If a bomb like the one in Jaipur went off in Beer-Sheva (another desert city), the whole country would be on the phone, checking that their loved ones were OK. Broadcast of a basketball match would be interrupte with live reports from the scene. Stupidly, I expected to see something similar in India. But then (how could I forget?), this is a land of over one billion souls, while Israel is home to a mere seven million.
There's a more interesting point to be made, though. Terrorism - in its rational form - is successful only if it can impact on the civilian population, to change their behaviour enough in order to draw concessions from the government. In a country the size of India this is a near-impossibility. To use the callous language of risk assessment, sixty dead in India is but a statistic. Granted, this was an attack on a tourist area (albeit in low season), but it is clear that none of the occasional bomb attacks here in the last year have affected the country's routine. From my brief experience of the travel system here, it is clear that there are many soft targets. But it is hardly worthwhile for the government to strengthen security to the degree that has been done in Israel, for example. This - from the amoral perspective of rational political considerations - is what makes terrorism in India even more inexplicable than elsewhere, and - I think - goes a long way to explain why th authorities have had such trouble solving similar cases in the past.
The admission of no-breakthrough-yet came even as police in Jaipur detained 35 Bangladeshis for questioning. Clearly, the police was probing the possible involvement of the HuJI, a terror group based in Bangladesh.
shiv wrote:Arun_S wrote:Look at this news repost in USA. Where the victims of the Jaipur terrorists attack are faceless Indian people, the only face and name in this story is a Muslim tourist who is a victim of the attack.
The spin is very clear:
1.) This terror attack was not against Hindues,
2.) It hids the central fact of news reporting that great majority of the people killed were Hindues. Creates a spin that Hindues were not killed, or their killing is irrelevant..
This news report:
A) Hides Islamic perpetrators,
B.) Makes Muslim citizens as the victim,
C) Make Hindus the faceless creatures who are designed by Allaah to be be killed & erased.
Don't fight this, but use it to your advantage.
By hollering out loud " Boo Hoo More of X was killed and fewer of Y, therefore you should feel sympathy for X and not Y" we are diverting the attention away from the fact that it was Islam that did the killing in the first place.
In any mass murder - there is no sense in mourning one "more important" killed person and not mourning one "less important" killed person.
Mourn them all - but concentrate on the murderer. The murderer goes scot free as we dance like monkeys claiming more Hindu dead and blaming some idiot reporter and some faceless conspiracy. This is completely wrong.
The murderer is the religion of Mohammad, whose minions are trying to attack Hindus but his murderous followers are too stupid to kill only Hindus - they kill Muslims as well.
Muslims have a responsibility to recognize that their faith actively encourages mass murder in the name of Islam. How about spreading that message boldly rather than howling about some idiotic reports?
Stop mourning. Start fighting. Fight where you can contribute. Islam is responsible for these murders. DO NOT waste time and semen on wasteful laments.
Mr Jha please stop posting like a typical person from bihar who is not at all aware of the ground realities of Maharashtra and mumbai in particular.
Even a small child will tell you that you fill up too much air in a balloon and it will burst. As for Bal Thackeray let me tell you had it not been for him the pigs of religion of peace would have wreaked havoc during the nineties riots.He is the only person they are scared of in mumbai..yes he is not without flaws..I dont like seeing innocent poor people being bashed up in the streets..and none of most maharastrians do...but the problem is much more complex and i dont think its the right place to post about it ..besides in your current state of biased mind i think its beyond your understanding..
.yes he is not without flaws..
Look at this news repost in USA. Where the victims of the Jaipur terrorists attack are faceless Indian people, the only face and name in this story is a Muslim tourist who is a victim of the attack.
The spin is very clear:
1.) This terror attack was not against Hindues,
2.) It hids the central fact of news reporting that great majority of the people killed were Hindues. Creates a spin that Hindues were not killed, or their killing is irrelevant..
This news report:
A) Hides Islamic perpetrators,
B.) Makes Muslim citizens as the victim,
C) Make Hindus the faceless creatures who are designed by Allaah to be be killed & erased.
rsingh wrote:Something is telling to my dirty mind that
guru-alhindi_jaipur@yahoo.co.uk
is to be followed by
guru-alhindi_agra@yahoo.co.uk
guru-alhindi_banglore@yahoo.co.uk
guru-alhindi_chandigarh@yahoo.co.uk
Is there any way of following such leads to some fruitful ending?
shiv wrote:
The murderer is the religion of Mohammad, whose minions are trying to attack Hindus but his murderous followers are too stupid to kill only Hindus - they kill Muslims as well.
Muslims have a responsibility to recognize that their faith actively encourages mass murder in the name of Islam. How about spreading that message boldly rather than howling about some idiotic reports?
Stop mourning. Start fighting. Fight where you can contribute. Islam is responsible for these murders. DO NOT waste time and semen on wasteful laments.
The cops said that the ball bearings were of a "particularly damaging variety" and were placed in a "curve" in such a way that when the bomb exploded the shrapnel burst out ahead, and not up, causing maximum damage till close to 100 feet.
I know Hindus, in general, don't like the idea of conversion: but I would ask everyone to think deeply as to what the alternative is.
Many Western critics fail to appreciate that, to disempower radical Islam, something theocentric and spiritually satisfying — not secularism, democracy, capitalism, materialism, feminism, etc. — must be offered in its place. The truths of one religion can only be challenged and supplanted by the truths of another. And so Father Zakaria Botros has been fighting fire with fire.
In same manner, Jaipur also has its own 'mini-Bangladesh'. This part of the city is Bagrana. And after the blasts, the Rajasthan police have turned their attention towards this transit camp mostly comprising Bangladeshi migrants.
Bagrana lies eight km from Jaipur city on the Agra highway, is teeming with police vehicles. The police now focus on Bagrana because initial investigations indicated that one of the perpetrators, who bought a cycle used in the blast, spoke Hindi with a Bengali accent.
A police team arrived on Thursday morning and began checking the credentials of those in the basti. We have been asked to find out if any new person has come here. We have a door-to-door checking with the help of photo IDs. Those whose names are not on our records will be taken for questioning," Jeevan Ram Bishnoi, the Deputy Superintendent of Police, Jaipur rural, said.
The photo IDs he is talking about are the ones taken five years ago, when a large number of Bangladeshi migrants were relocated here from inside the city. Till then they were living in shanties outside the Jaipur railway station. The locals protested the presence of encroachment within the city and they were moved to Bagrana.
"Three months before we moved, the authorities came to us and asked what we lacked. We said we did not have a roof over our heads and there was no electricity. The authorities promised to give us both if we relocated en masse to Bagrana. True to their word, they provided us kuchcha houses and electricity supply," Mohammed Dabloo Miyan, a Bangladeshi who migrated to India 17 years ago, said.
Though officially, the Bagrana transit camp has 5000 people, many say the number may be high. But the policemen are not deterred. "Our brief is to check everyone's credentials and find out if anyone had come here recently, including those who were visiting relatives," Bishnoi said as his men went from hut to hut with a community leader in tow.
Though the police are here only after the blasts, the intelligence department has always had its ears to the ground. The CID even has a dedicated junior officer tending to the basti. "I have been monitoring this place for two years. It is a pain to keep tab of what is happening in such a huge population, especially when people are very reluctant to help," the officer, who did not want to be named, said.
Explaining how it is difficult to keep a tab on new entrants, he said: "Only three days ago, we found out that a new family had come in. Since I know the people, I identified the girl as someone from the basti who had left it long time ago. She has now returned. We had to detain her anyway since she is an illegal immigrant and technically she has come here only now. Like this there are so many people who keep going out and coming in all the time. It is really difficult to keep a tab."The officer, however, claimed that the place is a hotbed of criminals.
"Most drug peddlers in Jaipur are from here. They are also involved in many other criminal activities," he said, adding that the police even arrested a man who allegedly gone to Pakistan for six months for arms training. "This guy came here one day and my sources alerted me to it. When we picked him up and interrogated him, we found out that he had just returned from Pakistan and had missed the phone number of the contact he was to get in touch here for an operation. That time, a major attack was foiled," he said.
Another reason that makes it tough for the police and other agencies to monitor the transit camp is the disunity within the community. "The camp consists of both Bangladeshis and Bengali people. The two groups are always at each other's throats. The Bangladeshi camp is a closed group and they never give out any information," he said. Residents, however, deny such charges.
"There are mostly rag pickers, rickshaw pullers and labourers. There might be one or two people who do wrong. But to blame the entire basti for that is not right," one of the residents said. They also said the police never harass them and it was only after the blasts that they were asked not to venture out of the basti.
"But then, there was a curfew in town also. I strongly believe if you have not done any wrong, nobody will harm you. I saw a youngster being picked up from the basti and taken to police station in connection with a crime. This boy was a labourer and he was innocent."
"The moment a senior officer came in, he took one look at him and told the interrogators that he cannot be a culprit. "Look at his face. He wouldn't be involved," that is the what the officer said. But the interrogators were not convinced and they thoroughly questioned him before realizing he was innocent and they let him off," Dabloo Miyan said.
Beyond everything, at least for early settlers like him, India is like a motherland. "We won't go back to Bangladesh even if we are offered a comfortable life there. It is India that gave us a chance to earn a livelihood when there was nothing in Bangladesh and we will live here."
"All my six children were born here and I want to see them grow up here and do well for themselves," he said.
© 2007 mynews.in
Avarachan wrote:The truths of one religion can only be challenged and supplanted by the truths of another. And so Father Zakaria Botros has been fighting fire with fire.
The serial blasts in Jaipur on May 13, 2008, which killed about 60 innocent civilians, have many general characteristics, which are common to many terrorist organisations in South Asia. Among important examples of such characteristics are the use of bicycles to plant improvised explosive devices (IED) in crowded places and mixing projectiles such as the ball-bearings of cycles with the explosive.
2. Bicycles as carriers of IEDs have often been used by different terrorist groups since the jihad against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Jihadi as well as non-jihadi groups have been using cycles. Among the non-jihadi oprganisations which use bicycle bombs is the United Liberation Front of Assam (ULFA).
3. The greatest advantage of bicycles for terrorists is that they are used by millions of people and unattended bicycles left in crowded places do not attract suspicion. Cycles are also used under certain other circumstances---- when the terrorist organisation has only limited funds, when it has no capability for stealing cars and motor-cycles and having them driven to the targeted place and when it wants to use an unconscious cut-out for having the IED reached to the spot without using its own cadres for this purpose. The ULFA uses such cut-outs for having cycles fitted with IEDs left in crowded areas for which they are paid. In this manner, the cadres of the ULFA escape identification and arrest.
4. Ball-bearings are also often used to increase the lethality of the explosive. The LTTE has been using them for nearly 20 years now. When the Sri Lankan authorities imposed severe restrictions on the sale of ball-bearings in the Tamil areas, the LTTE started smuggling them in sackfuls from Tamil Nadu. By mixing ball-bearings with the explosive, one can not only increase the lethality of the IED, but one can also economise on the use of the explosive. A small quantity of explosive can cause a large number of casualties if mixed with ball-bearings and other projectiles. By mixing ball-bearings, a low-intensity explosive can be made to cause a high-intensity killer effect.
5. The IEDs at Jaipur were activated by mechanical timers. According to published details of one IED, which failed to explode, the timing mechanism was an ordinary clock. This was similar to the modus operandi of the Khalistani terrorists in Punjab in the 1980s. The new trend among jihadi organisations in other countries has been to use the alarm mechanism of the mobile telephones for timing an IED. This was apparently not used in Jaipur.
6. In recent months, the police in Karnataka, Goa, Uttar Pradesh, Andhra Pradesh and Madhya Pradesh had claimed to have neutralised a number of jihadi sleeper cells constituted by the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET) and the Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami (HUJI) with the help of the Students' Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).During their interrogation, those arrested reportedly spoke of the plans of these organisations to attack Israeli and Western tourists in Goa. In fact, Goa had been repeatedly figuring in interrogation reports as a possible target for attacks by the LET or the HUJI or both. Jaipur had not figured in the interrogation reports.
7. The fact that Jaipur and not Goa was attacked is mysterious. This would indicate one of two things: Either those arrested and interrogated earlier had misled the police by talking freely about Goa when their real target was Jaipur; or the Jaipur blasts were carried out by an organisation totally different from the organisations ( the LET and the HUJI) to which those arrested earlier belonged,.
8. Tourism has been an important target of the terrorists all over the world. Al Gamah Al Islamiyah of Egypt used to attack tourist targets in Egypt in the 1990s. The Jemaah Islamiyah of Indonesia targeted the Australian tourists twice in Bali in 2002 and 2005. Al Qaeda targeted the foreign tourists (mainly Israelis) in Mombasa in 2002, in Casablanca in 2003 and in Sharm-el-Sheikh in Egypt in 2005. Their primary targets were foreign tourists though locals also got killed. In Jaipur, there was no targeted attack on foreign tourists. No foreigner has been killed. They did not attack restaurants, bars, hotels etc, which are known to be frequented by foreign tourists. The terrorists targeted the tourist potential of Jaipur, but not foreign tourists in particular.
9. Some police officers and embedded journalists have already started blaming the LET and the HUJI even though the blasts do not carry any unique signature of any organisation. The only way of identifying the organisation responsible is by arresting the perpetrators and interrogating them. Till we reach that stage, it will be premature and unwise to blame anyone.
10. Almost 24 hours after the blasts, two TV channels of New Delhi claimed to have received an anonymous E-mail claiming responsibility for the explosions on behalf of a group called "the Indian Mujashideen. The E-mail was purported to have been sent by guru_alhindi_jaipur@yahoo.co.uk. The most significant thing about this message is that it has included the picture of one of the cycles alleged to have been used in Jaipur with the number of the cycle readable. If a cycle with that number had, in fact, been used in Jaipur, this claim could acquire some authenticity.
11. In the 1980s, the Irish Republican Army (IRA) of the UK used to follow a similar MO whenever it planted an IED. Through phone calls, it used to give clues to the police to enable them establish the authenticity of the IRA's claim of responsibility.
12. It may be recalled that before the blasts outside some courts in Uttar Pradesh in November last, a message claiming responsibility for the blasts on behalf of "Indian Mujahideen" was received by local TV channels. There was also a reference to Guru-al-Hindi in another message. This was suspected to be a reference to Afzal Guru, who has been sentenced to death in the case relating to the attack on the Indian Parliament in December, 2001 and who has appealed for clemency. The message of November, 2007, had also claimed that the Indian Mujahideen had nothing to do with the LET or the HUJI.
13. It is not clear whether the cycle is the one recovered by the police with the IED intact after it failed to explode and whether they released the photo to the media. If so, the inclusion of this photo in the E-mail is not significant. If not, it is. If the cycle figuring in the photo is found to have been used and successfully activated, that would be an indication that an organisation of Indian Muslims hitherto unknown to the Police has been operating undetected by the Police. In this connection, please refer to my following comments in my article on the November blasts in UP at http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r2474.html
"It has been reported that an E-mail message purported to be from "Indian Mujahideen" received by some TV channels before the explosions indicated that these explosions were about to take place. However, it referred to explosions in two and not three cities. "Indian Mujahideen" does not refer to any organisation, but it refers to Indian Muslims in general and says that the Indian Muslims have decided to take the offensive and wage a jihad. In justification of this decision, it refers to the severe penalties awarded to the accused in the Mumbai blasts of March, 1993, and the lack of action against Hindu police officers, who committed atrocities on Muslims. It also refers to the Gujarat riots of 2002 and the recent assault on arrested JEM (Jaish-e-Mohammad) suspects by some lawyers. The message is not only a warning of their intention to act, but also an explanation of why Indian Muslims have decided to act. The main point, which the sender of the message has sought to convey, is that the criminal justice system treats the Muslims severely, but is lenient to the Hindus. The language used is typically Indian, the context and arguments used are typically of Indian Muslims and the issues raised are those which have been agitating the minds of sections of Indian Muslims such as the demolition of the Babri Masjid in December,1992, lack of action against the Hindu police officers of Mumbai who were found guilty of excesses by the Sri Krishna Enquiry Commission, the severe penalties awarded to Muslims who had retaliated in March,1993, and the Gujarat riots.
"It admits that the Muslims were responsible for the explosions in Varanasi, Delhi, Mumbai and in a restaurant and park in Hyderabad, but says they were not responsible for the blasts in Malegaon in September, 2006, in the Samjauta Express and the Mecca Masjid of Hyderabad this year (2007). It is silent on the recent blast in the Ajmer Sharif, a Muslim holy place famous for its tolerant Sufi tradition.
"It says that the Indian Muslims have decided to wage a jihad for Islamic rule and talks of a "war for civilisation." It warns that their next targets will be police officers." {Check news link below }
(The writer is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai. E-mail: seventyone2@gmail.com)
The cops said that the ball bearings were of a "particularly damaging variety" and were placed in a "curve" in such a way that when the bomb exploded the shrapnel burst out ahead, and not up, causing maximum damage till close to 100 feet. The blasts took place in an area where as many as three police stations. One of the blasts took place a few metres from the Kotwali police station. As Singh pointed out, the bomb outside Kotwali police station had been timed to go off at the time when police staff roll call takes place.
"Fortunately, the roll call was done with moments before the blasts. Otherwise, a number of policemen could have also died," added Singh.
Sanku wrote:^^^^
I have the same problem with "conversion"; however there is a solution -- Vishwe Aryo Bhav -- make the world Arya (where Arya is noble of course)
Tamso ma jyotirgamaya.
No one is asking for a conversion in "religion" thats the cheap stunt of a Abharamic religion -- lets have a ideological change -- let people believe in Indic ideology and leave the parts which are not Indic.
Simple.
Thats the way we can move people to our side of the fence without us Dharmics feeling queasy about conversion.
Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi has urged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to immediately convene a meeting of all state chief ministers to discuss internal security concerns in the aftermath of the terror blasts in Jaipur Tuesday.
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