Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 20 Jul 2008 23:04

From Yahoo: Indian Armey Bus which was attacked

From Yahoo: CRPF Jawan on Guard Kashmir

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 23 Jul 2008 23:01

Indian infantry on airfield protection duties in Op Pawan

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 23 Jul 2008 23:15

kanchan

nice

source??

should go into BRs IPKF page if possible

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 23 Jul 2008 23:34

Thanx,
This is photo is one of many I got through someone I know who was deployed over there.

I am not really sure how to upload photos in the Gallery.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 24 Jul 2008 00:22

kancha

please contact me at balaji_b4 AT hotmail dot com

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 24 Jul 2008 08:57

Surya,
Pl check your email.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 31 Jul 2008 16:16

School children wave India's national flag over a displayed Indian army tank during "Vijay Diwas" or victory day celebrations in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad July 26, 2008. The Indian army commemorates "Vijay Diwas" annually in memory of more than 500 fellow soldiers who were killed nine years ago during a war with Pakistan in the mountains of Kargil and Drass sectors, at the Line of Control, or a military ceasefire line, which divided Kashmir between the two south Asian nuclear rivals.

A member of the Indian Commandos (L) and a member of the US Army Special Forces undergo a joint training programme at the Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School of the Indian Army (CIJW) at Vairengte in Mizoram, in 2007. A contingent of US Special Forces, or Green Berets, will team up with Indian soldiers to train in jungle warfare, officials said on Saturday.
(AFP/Caroline Singh)

The mortal remains of Indian soldier Ajit Shivaji Gavkar is carried for the funeral in Mumbai on July 31, 2008. Gavkar 34, serving the 25 Rashtriya Rifle Regiment, posted at Rajouri in Jammu was killed on 28 July, 2008 in the recent exchange of fire along the Indo-Pak border. According to Indian Army spokesman "A group of Pakistani troops crossed into the Indian part of disputed Kashmir Monday and shot dead Gavkar, sparking a gun battle. The complaint of an incursion by Pakistani troops is the first to be made by India since 1999, when the nuclear-armed South Asian rivals fought a mini-war in the Kargil peaks along the Line of Control dividing Kashmir. Pakistan and India agreed to a ceasefire in November 2003 along the Line of Control, and the two sides launched a peace process in January 2004.

MukulMohanty · Post by **MukulMohanty** » 31 Jul 2008 22:03

Rest in Peace....

Muns · Post by **Muns** » 31 Jul 2008 22:45

A six-year-old boy performs final rites for his father, an Indian army soldier, who was killed in a gun battle between Indian and Pakistani forces in Kashmir on Monday.

source BBC

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 01 Aug 2008 07:13

shyamd wrote:
School children wave India's national flag over a displayed Indian army tank during "Vijay Diwas" or victory day celebrations in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad July 26, 2008. The Indian army commemorates "Vijay Diwas" annually in memory of more than 500 fellow soldiers who were killed nine years ago during a war with Pakistan in the mountains of Kargil and Drass sectors, at the Line of Control, or a military ceasefire line, which divided Kashmir between the two south Asian nuclear rivals.

OK, who will tell them that its a Pakistani Patton?

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 01 Aug 2008 11:04

OK, who will tell them that its a Pakistani Patton?

You talking about the Kids or the Media?

The kids probably have been told its a vanquished Pakistani tank and so perhaps the Indian flags on top is supposed to be symbolic of victory.

However, the media might need refresher lessons on Defense Journalism

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 01 Aug 2008 18:53

Any Idea what this is all about.

Its taken from a Private Cos website from Mumbai

"UNARMED COMMANDO COMBAT ACADEMY Close Quarter Battle &CT Training India Military Martial Arts Mumbai
"

Pictures..CQB training. Gear is not bad.

http://blackbeltcombat.tripod.com/siteb ... nbctac.jpg

http://blackbeltcombat.tripod.com/siteb ... ures/4.jpg

People They have Trained

INDIAN ARMY

Including

PARACOMMANDO SPECIAL FORCES, PARATROOPERS,

MILITARY POLICE, INFANTRY REGTS

(01 MAJ GENERAL

05 FIVE BRIGADIERS

20 COLONELS

20 MAJs

100 CAPTAINS/ LIEUTENANTS

& 650 of JCOS, NCOS, OTHER RANKS)

INDIAN NAVY

NAVAL UNDERSEA

01 COMMAND AR

MARINE COMMANDO O2

INDIAN AIR FORCE

SPECIAL FORCE G A R U D

1 Group Captain

1 Wing Commander

6 Officers

18 ORs

BORDER SECURITY FORCE

05

NATIONAL SECURITY GUARDS

45

POLICE SPECIAL PROTECTION UNIT

& CHIEF MINISTERS SECURITY

05 POLICE INSPECTORS

10 POLICE SUB INSPECTORS

POLICE ANTI TERROR SQUAD QRT UNIT MUMBAI & GOA

20 POLICE SUB INSPECTORS

60 MEN

SPECIAL SECURITY TRAINING SCHOOL

05 OFFICERS

INDIAN POLICE SERVICE

02 ADD DIRECTOR

Website
http://blackbeltcombat.tripod.com/id89.html

ssmitra · Post by **ssmitra** » 01 Aug 2008 19:54

rkhanna wrote:Any Idea what this is all about.

Its taken from a Private Cos website from Mumbai

"UNARMED COMMANDO COMBAT ACADEMY Close Quarter Battle &CT Training India Military Martial Arts Mumbai
"

Pictures..CQB training. Gear is not bad.

http://blackbeltcombat.tripod.com/siteb ... nbctac.jpg

http://blackbeltcombat.tripod.com/siteb ... ures/4.jpg

This dude and this website has come up so many times on BR I have lost count. I don't know whether he is good or bad but I am quite sure the Army doesn't go to him for training. He may though give some training to police units.
Only other example I know is Former Punjab Police DIG Julius Robiero's (sorry for the spelling) bodyguard used to be a karate blackbelt and he after Robiero's retirement left Punjab police and then came back to train the punjab police commandos on contractual basis. last I know he had knocked up Jullundhur DM's daughter and was

hiding This was way back in the 1990's.

haresh_singh · Post by **haresh_singh** » 02 Aug 2008 02:04

I have seen this site before offering training (or claiming to).
As another poster has said they may train police forces but I doubt they train the actual military.
On the link about reflex shooting/CQB, there is a line of men and a thin woman showing them how to use a rifle.
With all due respect to her I find it hard to believe that she has much combat experience. Theoretical CQB/shooting on the range and real life combat are totally different.

If Indian forces both regular and SF train with western forces why would they need to go to an outfit like this ??

ChandraS · Post by **ChandraS** » 02 Aug 2008 02:28

Jagan wrote:
shyamd wrote:
School children wave India's national flag over a displayed Indian army tank during "Vijay Diwas" or victory day celebrations in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad July 26, 2008. The Indian army commemorates "Vijay Diwas" annually in memory of more than 500 fellow soldiers who were killed nine years ago during a war with Pakistan in the mountains of Kargil and Drass sectors, at the Line of Control, or a military ceasefire line, which divided Kashmir between the two south Asian nuclear rivals.
OK, who will tell them that its a Pakistani Patton?

After we won it in the war, isn't it an Indian tank?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 02 Aug 2008 04:04

That website is a sham

That couple has no - nada - zilch combat experience

And no - the SF would not touch them with a barge pole.

pushkar.bhat · Post by **pushkar.bhat** » 06 Aug 2008 12:00

Has anyone got snaps of the new Indian Air Force Communication Sqn Boeing 737-700's? Heard that the first of the three A/C for the VVIP Comm Flight has been delivered to Delhi.

ssmitra · Post by **ssmitra** » 12 Aug 2008 23:00

US Special Forces soldiers sit with Indian soldiers as they prepare to take part in an exercise at The Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS) in Vairengte on August 11, 2008.

< carrying Tavors.

malushahi · Post by **malushahi** » 13 Aug 2008 02:22

ssmitra wrote:US Special Forces soldiers sit with Indian soldiers as they prepare to take part in an exercise at The Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS) in Vairengte on August 11, 2008.

First picture: is that a Chinook in the background?

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 13 Aug 2008 03:31

Looks like

from http://www.warbirds.in/wbne.html

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 13 Aug 2008 03:43

^^great find Jagan ji.

ssmitra wrote: US Special Forces soldiers sit with Indian soldiers as they prepare to take part in an exercise at The Counter-Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS) in Vairengte on August 11, 2008.

great pictures. but when OFB will start producing "uniform" uniforms

our soldiers in these cotton outfits looks like someone from vintage era.

malushahi · Post by **malushahi** » 13 Aug 2008 03:56

Jagan wrote:Looks like

Thanks for shaking me out of my reverie Jagan; was already dreaming about couple of those birds settling down in Zimithang.

Mandeep · Post by **Mandeep** » 13 Aug 2008 12:13

Appropos the funeral of RR Jawan AS Gavkar in Mumbai. Did roaring lions Bal, Raj and Udhav Thackeray attend the ceremony ? Or is their rhetoric just for public consumption ?

haresh_singh · Post by **haresh_singh** » 13 Aug 2008 12:40

It is not a Chinook
This is what a Chinook looks like:
http://images.google.com/images?sourcei ... a=N&tab=wi

Ajay K · Post by **Ajay K** » 13 Aug 2008 13:27

Admins, are we going to have exercise sections for Army Page in BR?

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Aug 2008 14:27

ajay, there is too little info about these type of exercises to warrant a stand alone thread.
a few pics will probably be all we get.

Mandeep · Post by **Mandeep** » 13 Aug 2008 14:31

A thread on training in the armed forces, separately by Service could possibly serve the purpose.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 13 Aug 2008 18:07

Mandeep wrote:Appropos the funeral of RR Jawan AS Gavkar in Mumbai. Did roaring lions Bal, Raj and Udhav Thackeray attend the ceremony ? Or is their rhetoric just for public consumption ?

http://www.saamna.com/2008/August/01/Link/Main3.htm

Former Shiv Sena Chief Minister Manohar Joshi, Sena Mayor Shubha Raul and the customary Ward/District leaders of Sena were present.

AS Gavkar lived in Naigaon, a traditional Sena stronghold.

To answer your question, none of the Thackrey clam was present, but Sena was. Dunno about other political parties.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 13 Aug 2008 18:11

BTW, as per the report, the Army told the family AS Gavkar died of brain tumour and not in a battle. Now what is true? In either case, the Army should have a better reporting mechanism to the family concerned. In this case, a police constable informed them of the news. Wonder why the Army cant or cannot do it, or at least get someone from the TA to do it? (This is a question out of ignorance, no criticism intended)

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 13 Aug 2008 20:25

I would imagine the swiftest method would be a telegram...

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 13 Aug 2008 20:29

Telegrams have been phased out I think. DoP doesnt do telegrams anymore?

Mandeep · Post by **Mandeep** » 13 Aug 2008 20:47

True, in this changing world there are some ways in which our ultra-conservative Armed Forces need to change. The system of informing families of soldiers killed in battle or as other casualties is one. What was till now the traditional method of sending the news by telegram is outdated.

I feel a system can be tried out where the nearest Armed Forces unit personally informs the bereaved family through a messenger of appropriate rank. The Govt has already issued instructions that the local administrative and police authorities are to be present at the funeral.

ssmitra · Post by **ssmitra** » 13 Aug 2008 22:51

Sorry folks but this is a bit of a rant. Not against the police who are doing a very difficult job but against all the bloody political parties and specially the govt which puts them into these difficult situations and then "hopes" they can control it with the pathetic gear they have. These guys are at the fore front of the counter insurgency campaign more so than the army. I don't remember whether it was baljeet or mandeep one of you had even mentioned having relatives who in their prime youth while serving with the police have lost an eye.

These guys have the worst riot control gear dating back decades. even tinpot countries like bolivia etc.. have better gear.

its time some ex-CRPF files a PIL forcing the govt to improve their gear.

This last picture shows the frustration of the CRPF as they ended up attacking an ambulance.
The appearance as a powerful cohesive force makes riot control effective. This only makes them look like chaprasis meant to be slapped around

Mandeep · Post by **Mandeep** » 13 Aug 2008 23:17

Are these policemen from the CRPF ? They appear to be the Jammu and Kashmir Police to me. A force which has improved tremendously and emerged as as an efficient, dedicated police service.

I second the point about proper riot gear. It doesn't cost much but will give policement great confidence while facing violent mobsn increase their efficiency in riot situations and of course protect them from injury.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 13 Aug 2008 23:43

Pics No. 1, 3, 5 and 7 seem to contain CRPF personnel.

The rest look like JKP to me. Can tell (among other things) by the distinctive insignia on the upper sleeve.

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 15 Aug 2008 00:19

Tanaji wrote:BTW, as per the report, the Army told the family AS Gavkar died of brain tumour and not in a battle. Now what is true? In either case, the Army should have a better reporting mechanism to the family concerned. In this case, a police constable informed them of the news. Wonder why the Army cant or cannot do it, or at least get someone from the TA to do it? (This is a question out of ignorance, no criticism intended)

IIRC the initial reports of the recent Kupwara Incursion claimed that the unit under attack was 22 Rajput and the Indian soldier killed was Sepoy Mahesh Singh. It may be a case of sloppy reporting compounded over time.

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 15 Aug 2008 00:40

ssmitra wrote:The appearance as a powerful cohesive force makes riot control effective. This only makes them look like chaprasis meant to be slapped around

Seeing the ratio of the mob to the police in these pictures, and knowing the nature of this particular mob, I don't think more riot-gear would make much of a difference. In fact the police coming up in their regular clothes and un-masked faces is probably more effective in this case: It is one thing to hit a faceless and masked uniform, quite another thing to face up to your friendly local constable (and someone you KNOW who can easily make your - and your family's - life a living hell once the protests are over; one small report filed away and you can't take a p!ss at night without reporting to the local station for permission).

Mandeep · Post by **Mandeep** » 15 Aug 2008 01:13

These policemen are all from the Jammu and Kashmir Police. There are subtle differences in uniform and equipment between the two forces. And in J&K the CRPF has taken the place of the BSF as a CI force and not a riot control force.

ssmitra · Post by **ssmitra** » 15 Aug 2008 02:29

ParGha wrote:
ssmitra wrote:The appearance as a powerful cohesive force makes riot control effective. This only makes them look like chaprasis meant to be slapped around
Seeing the ratio of the mob to the police in these pictures, and knowing the nature of this particular mob, I don't think more riot-gear would make much of a difference. In fact the police coming up in their regular clothes and un-masked faces is probably more effective in this case: It is one thing to hit a faceless and masked uniform, quite another thing to face up to your friendly local constable (and someone you KNOW who can easily make your - and your family's - life a living hell once the protests are over; one small report filed away and you can't take a p!ss at night without reporting to the local station for permission).

Unfortunately that does little to prevent a rock hitting you in the eye. or anywhere on your body causing grievous harm. Riot control in our country is one of the worst.
Policing methods and operating procedures are archaic at best and left over from the British system with the sole aim of subjugating the population. What you say about "friendly local constable " is very true but its also true if he misbehaves with you or your family and you object.
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Here are some images from Riot control police in different countries. We can always say the RAF is like this but in reality even their equipment is bad.

my point is we have become a nation with one of the strongest economies. May be we should start spending more on our jawans and also retrain and re-equip our police.

We something is not done soon then high pressure situation as we are observing in Jammu and Kashmir could well lead to situation like the Manipur Rifles incident in 2000.

I wanted to post this one below yesterday. It gives an idea of the projectiles thrown by the protesters

ParGha · Post by **ParGha** » 15 Aug 2008 02:45

ssmitra wrote:
Policing methods and operating procedures are archaic at best and left over from the British system with the sole aim of subjugating the population. What you say about "friendly local constable " is very true but its also true if he misbehaves with you or your family and you object.

Of course I would object (and much more), but more importantly and first off I wouldn't give him reason to do so. I wouldn't force people to shut-down their businesses and disrupt others' lives. I wouldn't gang up with a couple of hundred young men from my area and bottle up a dozen policemen. I wouldn't start pushing around peace-officers. I wouldn't start throwing stones at them. I wouldn't do any of these especially if my neighborhood has a reputation for occasionally hosting tangos. Heck, I wouldn't unbuckle my seat-belt without requesting due permission and reaching for the release slowly, deliberately and in clear view. I don't endanger his life or well-being, hence I would object if he did. The young men in those mobs have done all that... and more. You see why I wouldn't object to seeing them paid back in some small measure for their misdeeds?

my point is we have become a nation with one of the strongest economies. May be we should start spending more on our jawans and also retrain and re-equip our police.

I think immediate and responsible presence is more important than gear. Nip things in the bud, if you will. Gucci-gear equipped police aren't necessarily more effective. But if you can spend on numbers AND gear, all the power to you.