Country should not expect anything better from this Mo Ham Mad Hoon.gandharva wrote:A town seething with rage.
“Let me tell you, the entire country will repent, they have started a very dangerous game,” said village elder Mohammed Haroon.
“If they continue to persecute us like this, then it is a time for … a show down,” he says.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... +with+rage
Imagine if something similar had been said by a Hindu ...gandharva wrote:A town seething with rage
After the deaths and arrests of the terror suspects, that rage has spiralled — and residents say it will have an even deadlier impact. Angry villagers huddle together facing an onslaught of media attention, in a town seething with rage — and a threat.
“Let me tell you, the entire country will repent, they have started a very dangerous game,” said village elder Mohammed Haroon.
“If they continue to persecute us like this, then it is a time for … a show down,” he says.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... +with+rage
The fair settling of 47 partition issues are imperative if India wants to grow civilization wise,economically as well politically. Simple solution is withdrawl of Indian citizenship of UP, Bihar, Bengal and AP Islamist by using Constituional methods. No Joke , their rights need to be limited within the boundaries of reverse Dhimmi system. This will hit the ideological foundation of political Islam and liberate many Muslims from the repression of dogma.G Subramaniam wrote:Let me give my cynical take on this
Every kafir country with an islamic population has gone into civil war
as the islam% slowly rises towards civil war
It is one of those inevitable things in life like death and taxes
What SIMI is doing is to force the issue with muslims at 14% instead of the inevitable islamic uprising in 50 years with muslims at 19%
Slowly more and more hindus realise that Chacha and Bapu cheated them in 1947nkumar wrote:Have a look at these guys. There is absolutely no hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTNsobC-GE
Yes, they may well do realize. In fact, this very forum has "realized" a lot in the few yrs that i have been here.G Subramaniam wrote:Slowly more and more hindus realise that Chacha and Bapu cheated them in 1947nkumar wrote:Have a look at these guys. There is absolutely no hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLTNsobC-GE
by failing to do population transfer
You will be back when you understand the fakeness of your liberalism and when the shame and embarrassment of your exposure on here wears out.Sridhar wrote:Shiv,
I seem to have touched a raw nerve there, haven't
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Goodbye and good luck.
[/quote]gandharva wrote: “Let me tell you, the entire country will repent, they have started a very dangerous game,” said village elder Mohammed Haroon.
“If they continue to persecute us like this, then it is a time for … a show down,” he says.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... +with+rage
So much for Praveen Swami harping over and over that SIMI split because one group was "moderate" while the other wanted violence!!!
This was not a conventional divide between 'extremist' and 'moderate' wings. Rather, both factions had equally diabolical jihadi agendas. Tactical differences, a dispute over political patrons, personal egos and even casteism played a role.
Im unable to understand if the Muslims are actually so delusional or is it just taqqaiya?“E-mail was meant to provoke Hindu hatred”
Special Correspondent
Prince of Arcot calls for impartial probe
CHENNAI: The Prince of Arcot, Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali, on Wednesday said the recently published version of the e-mail reportedly sent by the ‘Indian Mujahideen’ owning responsibility for the bomb blasts in Ahmedabad and New Delhi was meant to incite the emotions of Hindus against Islam and Muslims in general.
In a statement here, the Nawab said a simple reading of the e-mail would prima facie establish that it was calculated to provoke Hindu hatred against Muslims. It was certainly not meant to give a warning of bomb blasts, purportedly in revenge for the Gujarat pogroms of 2002, he said.
“One fails to understand what conceivable benefit the Muslim community can derive from such terrorist attacks, as have occurred in Rajasthan, Gujarat, and Delhi, nor how such language as used in the purported e-mail can help bring about the uplift of the Muslim community in this country,” he said. “However, one can easily imagine who stands to benefit immensely if the Hindus in these States, which are about to go for elections both at the State and national levels, read this e-mail, believe it to have originated from a Muslim organisation, get provoked and indulge in communal violence,” he said.
“The terror attacks in Gujarat, Rajasthan, and more recently in Delhi, and the continuing attacks on Christian churches and prayer halls in Orissa and Karnataka, the communal riots in Kerala, all these have to be read in the context of Hindu fascism’s attempts to bring about a cleavage between Hindus and Muslims of India and come to power on the blood of thousands of innocents in the approaching elections,” he said.
The Nawab appealed to the Central and State governments to investigate the violence thoroughly and impartially without any pre-conceived notion, and ensure that the real culprits were punished severely.
OK how about this for an explanation.sum wrote: Link“E-mail was meant to provoke Hindu hatred”
“One fails to understand what conceivable benefit the Muslim community can derive from such terrorist attacks, as have occurred in Rajasthan, Gujarat, and Delhi, nor how such language as used in the purported e-mail can help bring about the uplift of the Muslim community in this country,” he said. “However, one can easily imagine who stands to benefit immensely if the Hindus in these States, which are about to go for elections both at the State and national levels, read this e-mail, believe it to have originated from a Muslim organisation, get provoked and indulge in communal violence,” he said.
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this is the same "Nawab" that got the exhibition on Aurangzeb cancelled ... sometime back.sum wrote:So much for Praveen Swami harping over and over that SIMI split because one group was "moderate" while the other wanted violence!!!
This was not a conventional divide between 'extremist' and 'moderate' wings. Rather, both factions had equally diabolical jihadi agendas. Tactical differences, a dispute over political patrons, personal egos and even casteism played a role.
Another "secular stalwart" vomits:
LinkIm unable to understand if the Muslims are actually so delusional or is it just taqqaiya?“E-mail was meant to provoke Hindu hatred”
Special Correspondent
Prince of Arcot calls for impartial probe
CHENNAI: The Prince of Arcot, Nawab Mohammed Abdul Ali, on Wednesday said the recently published version of the e-mail reportedly sent by the ‘Indian Mujahideen’ owning responsibility for the bomb blasts in Ahmedabad and New Delhi was meant to incite the emotions of Hindus against Islam and Muslims in general.
In a statement here, the Nawab said a simple reading of the e-mail would prima facie establish that it was calculated to provoke Hindu hatred against Muslims. It was certainly not meant to give a warning of bomb blasts, purportedly in revenge for the Gujarat pogroms of 2002, he said.
“One fails to understand what conceivable benefit the Muslim community can derive from such terrorist attacks, as have occurred in Rajasthan, Gujarat, and Delhi, nor how such language as used in the purported e-mail can help bring about the uplift of the Muslim community in this country,” he said. “However, one can easily imagine who stands to benefit immensely if the Hindus in these States, which are about to go for elections both at the State and national levels, read this e-mail, believe it to have originated from a Muslim organisation, get provoked and indulge in communal violence,” he said.
“The terror attacks in Gujarat, Rajasthan, and more recently in Delhi, and the continuing attacks on Christian churches and prayer halls in Orissa and Karnataka, the communal riots in Kerala, all these have to be read in the context of Hindu fascism’s attempts to bring about a cleavage between Hindus and Muslims of India and come to power on the blood of thousands of innocents in the approaching elections,” he said.
The Nawab appealed to the Central and State governments to investigate the violence thoroughly and impartially without any pre-conceived notion, and ensure that the real culprits were punished severely.
Slowly, all these scum are crawling out of their wormholes....
New Delhi: The Vice Chancellor (VC) of Jamia Milia Islamia (JMI) University has decided to stand by his students who have been picked as suspected terrorists in the recent Delhi bomb blasts case.
The Jamia campus had been wearing a deserted look since the police encounter last Friday, but on Wednesday evening hundreds of students poured in to listen to the Vice Chancellor as he addressed them.
The head of the university promised to provide legal aid to the students who have been picked up as suspected terrorists by the special cell of the Delhi police.
VC, JMI, Mushir Ul Hasan says, “Our constitution allows us to provide a lawyer to those who can't afford to defend themselves. We are going to take care of our wards.”
Hasan's address to the students at JMI has raised political eyebrows.
The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) wanted the VC's head.
BJP politician Ravi Shankar Prasad said that he (VC) should be sacked.
However, Congress came out in support. Congress Spokes person Shakil Ahmed said that BJP was being unfair.
Caught in the crossfire are the students. Many of them continue to bear the consequences of the police encounter.
A student Rizwan Qaiser says several students have been asked by their landlord to vacate their houses.
This is turning out to be a huge problem as almost 50 per cent of the outstation students live in adjacent colonies.
The university administration has come out in full support of its students promising to provide legal aid to any one of them who might need it. However, the student community continues to be edgy with several outstation students packing their bags and leaving the campus for the time being.
(With in puts from Divyamanu Chaudhary)
Some more infoSingha wrote:press conf by mumbai police commisioner
- crime branch has arrested 5 more terrorists
- linked to bangalore, ahmedabad blasts
- all from azamgarh, all mussalman
- mostly staying in "cheetah camp" mumbai
- one is a explosives and bomb expert, one is a sw engr trained in pakistan
- 5 lakhs paid in cash reward to the police team
- arrests based on mukhbir informers
• Afzal Mutalib Usmani, 32, is a native of Azamgarh in Uttar Pradesh. Afzal is a known car thief and provided the four cars used in the Gujarat blasts. He was also responsible for placing the explosive-laden vehicles at Ahmedabad hospital and at the marketplace.
• Mohammed Sadiq Shaikh, 31, is a software engineer and a founder member of the Indian Mujahideen. Sadiq resided in Cheetah camp in Trombay and is a native of Azamgarh. He has undergone training twice in a hostile country and bears a very important post in the IM hierarchy.
• Mohammed Aarif Shaikh, 38, is an electrician and is trained in fabrication of bombs in a hostile country. Talib specialised in making electric circuits for bombs. He too is from Azamgarh and was residing in Mumbra. He is responsible for preparing all the circuits that were used in various bombs by the IM since 2005.
• Mohammed Zakir Shaikh, 28, a native of Azamgarh who resided in Bhiwandi. By profession, he is a scrap dealer with dealings in Surat. He was trained in a hostile country in 2004.
• Mohammed Ansar Shaikh, 31, is a native of Azamgarh but settled in Cheetah camp in Trombay.
At his press briefing to announce the arrest of five alleged terrorists on Wednesday police chief Hasan Gafoor made a special mention of some "Mumbaikars for excellent co-operation, information and assistance."
Well now it can be told that it was an alert software professional from Content Management System (CMS) computers who tipped off cops about one of the five men arrested, Mohammad Saddik Israr Ahmad Sheikh, and which led to the arrest of the group.
The CMS employee whose identity is not being revealed for security reasons told this newspaper that he got suspicious when Sheikh would regularly turn up in the office on weekends and also work late into the night, "typing away in Urdu."
Sheikh and this man were together working on a project for Aditya Birla Group's departmental store More. They were attached to the JB Nagar branch of CMS. Sheikh, he said, would turn up even on second and fourth Saturdays which were designated offs.
Two weeks ago Sheikh's colleague went to the crime branch to discuss his apprehensions about Sheikh and thus began the trail that led to the five arrests.
Simultaneously, he also informed his project manager at CMS, Ashley D’Cruz who confirmed to us that it was he who in turn got the human resources department of the company involved.
Last week, Sheikh, a resident of Cheetah Camp, and who has been described by the police as senior functionary of the Indian Mujahideen, stopped coming to work. The CMS man who had alerted the police was also questioned and it was he who told his colleagues that Sheikh had been picked up by the police.
Sheikh, in his early thirties, allegedly received training in a "hostile country" in two stints. Once for nine months and the second time for forty-five days. This was two months ago when he went on a long leave claiming that he had to attend his sister's wedding. It was during this sabbatical, police believe, that Sheikh planned the Delhi and Ahmedabad blasts. "Sheikh also went on nine months training prior to this. During this period he met several key members of Indian Mujahideen," said an officer from the crime branch.
Married and father of three, Sheikh who originally hails from Sanjarpur in Azamgarh district, had been working with CMS as a programming engineer for over a year.
http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2 ... peaks-out/I am submitting this statement to your Honourable Self as a witness in the recent “Cash-for-Votes” scandal that rocked Parliament on July 22, 2008. All the information contained in this statement is based on Truth, and nothing but Truth, and I say this by invoking the name of Allah or God Almighty. My life is in threat, but I am ready to sacrifice my life for the Truth contained in this statement. My only wish is that my body may be buried near the Jama Masjid adjoining Parliament.
Let me introduce myself as a devoted Muslim and a patriotic Indian. My original name was Suhail Ahmed, which I later changed to Suhail Hindustani.
Shows the Pak origin of the terror operations. Just recall that when posting links from TSP.India must fight the jihad within
Pioneer.com
Ashok Malik
After the Mumbai train bombings of July 2006, a group calling itself Lashkar-e-Qahar sent out an e-mail claiming responsibility. When the dead had been accounted for, one body remained unidentified. An e-mail from Lashkar-e-Qahar displayed the photograph of a young man, claimed the dead body was his, and that he was the suicide bomber who had helped trigger a lethal terror attack that had killed 200 people.
The e-mail was actually a trap. Using a fairly everyday computing tool called stagnography, it invited you to click on the image of the young man and then led you to an innocuous-looking site that listed 'missing persons'. However, as cyber-sleuths were to discover, the act of clicking and moving to this second site actually exposed one's computer to a Pakistan-based monitor.
Now, a control room had access to the Internet Protocol of the person who had, only a few seconds earlier, opened his e-mail account and read the Lashkar-e-Qahar message. In the days to come, this person's computer and e-mail account were hacked into and made accessible to the terrorist organisation.
Given that State police forces, national security agencies and media institutions happily clicked away on the so-called suicide bomber's image, the level of penetration was substantial. In later weeks, computers had to be changed, e-mail accounts re-set, protective measures taken. India, for all its Information Technology prowess, had been fooled by a smart but essentially low-level trick.
A few days after the Mumbai bombings, Bhopal Police arrested a 17-year-old boy called Shariq. Subsequently removed to Mumbai, Shariq was described as an "IT wizard". He was, however, no ordinary teenage geek. Some months earlier, he had visited Pakistan, ostensibly to meet an aunt but actually to receive training on the theology and tactics of jihad.
Back in India, it was he who had designed the e-mail, using his skills in stagnography to allow his principals to read the mail and scan the computers of those who were sent the 'suicide bomber' mail in July 2006.
Grant Shariq this: He is clever, determined and tough. In two years, he has revealed little. He has not been 'broken' by the Mumbai Police, which, however, knows he is extremely dangerous.
Shariq is still behind bars. In the absence of an appropriate anti-terror law, he is being detained under the provisions of the Information Technology Act. The IT Act has some stringent, even draconian provisions. When it was legislated in 2000, there were concerns that it would be used to harass cyber-café clients. However, India has innovated -- it must be the only country in the world fighting terrorism with an IT Act.
Shariq's story is instructive. It tells us that, far from the stereotypes we may have formed, the terrorist India is fighting is often educated, intelligent and not propelled by economic and political grievances but by a perverse interpretation of his faith. It also points out how, in numerous unseen forms, the lack of an effective anti-terror law has crippled the police.
Shariq's level of indoctrination is frightening though not unique. Increasingly, Indian Mujahideen modules being uncovered are found manned by middle-class youth, some of them engineers and techies. Terrorism psychologists have long argued that such people can make the most ruthless terrorists, if they are convinced of the rightness of their cause. They are trained to think methodically and mechanically, and see open acts of violence -- rather than subtle subversion, for instance -- as the best method of 'vengeance'.
This makes the Indian Mujahideen less 'political' and less amenable to settlement on the basis of meeting identifiable goals. This is not the Mizo National Front, which will stop fighting if offered an honourable peace in a Mizo-majority State. It is not even the Khalistan Commando Force, the agenda of which was limited to Punjab's 'independence'.
For the Indian Mujahideen, on the other hand, violence is an end in itself. In its 13-page letter announcing the Delhi blasts of September 13, 2008, it makes only one specific demand: "Here we announce our ultimatum: Vacate the land of Babri as soon as you can." However, it also promises to "carry on the struggle and fight against the Kufr (disbelief) till our last breath"; and chillingly announces that "the dust will never settle down".
Like Al Qaeda, which wants the Islamic re-conquest of Spain, the stated aims of the Indian Mujahideen are messianic. The interrogation of Safdar Nagori provides a clue. Arrested in February 2008, the general secretary of the Students Islamic Movement of India said he was working for the revival of the Caliphate. He joked with police officers that they would one day have to send leave applications to Istanbul.
More substantively, Nagori believed state power in India had been snatched from Muslims by the British and surreptitiously handed over to Hindus in 1947. Indian Mujahideen/SIMI wanted to redress this. The strategy was to shake public and institutional confidence through repeated acts of violence. "By 2020, Nagori felt," recalls a police officer, "terrorism would have caused so much destruction that there would be anarchy in India, and the Indian state would be vulnerable."
It is easy to laugh at Nagori's final aspiration, but it is important to take his interim plans seriously. It would not do, certainly, to see in him a rallying point for all Muslims. In lionising SIMI, politicians like Mr Mulayam Singh Yadav, Mr Lalu Prasad Yadav and Mr Ram Vilas Paswan are appealing to an extreme fringe but seriously misreading the larger mood.
Take Nagori's father. An outstanding police officer -- "One of the best in Madhya Pradesh," says a former colleague of his, "awarded the President's Police Medal" -- he sent his son to an English-medium school in Ujjain and proudly saw him enrol for an undergraduate course in mass communications. It was while doing his MA that Safdar began to change; his dissertation was on "the fire in Kashmir", a subject that had not exercised him earlier.
Today, the senior Nagori is bitterly disappointed in his son. Safdar knows that. When he was arrested, he asked to speak to his mother but pleaded not to be put on the phone to his father -- he was too scared.
It is impossible not to sense the pain of retired police officer Nagori. No doubt he expects the Indian state, which he served diligently, to take on the challenge posed by his son and his jihad-crazed associates. He has understood the need to combat them. When will the Government of India?
Truly sorry to see a good police officer having to face such an existential quandary with a son who got snagged by terrorist elements.Take Nagori's father. An outstanding police officer -- "One of the best in Madhya Pradesh," says a former colleague of his, "awarded the President's Police Medal" -- he sent his son to an English-medium school in Ujjain and proudly saw him enrol for an undergraduate course in mass communications. It was while doing his MA that Safdar began to change; his dissertation was on "the fire in Kashmir", a subject that had not exercised him earlier.
Since the move by Jamia Millia Islamia Vice-Chancellor Mushirul Hasan to provide financial aid to students charged with terror activities has run into rough weather, a face-saver is being devised on the campus. On Thursday, an association called Jamia Teachers' Solidarity Group (JTSG) announced that it would garner funds for providing aid -- both legal and financial -- to the students involved in terror activities. The JTSG is different from the recognised teachers' body, Jamia Teachers Association, and the former is said to have been formed under the patronage of the Vice-Chancellor.
"Our support in terms of legal and financial aid would be completely independent of the university. We'll garner funds from the community, the teachers and other individual sources", said Anuradha Ghosh, one of the members of the JTSG, at a press conference on Thursday.
"This aid would be in addition to the aid provided by the university announced by the Vice-Chancellor," she added. However, when asked whether the university has legitimate authorisation of using the student aid fund for the purpose of defending students involved in criminal activities, the group refused to comment. "This is an administrative concern and we cannot comment on the same", said Ramakrishnan, another member of the group addressing the media.
shiv wrote:gandharva wrote: “Let me tell you, the entire country will repent, they have started a very dangerous game,” said village elder Mohammed Haroon.
“If they continue to persecute us like this, then it is a time for … a show down,” he says.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage ... +with+rage
If these guys think they can do the old "We jihadis don't fear death" act and expect Indians to be afraid, they are sorely mistaken.“Let me tell you, the entire country will repent, they have started a very dangerous game,” said village elder Mohammed Haroon.
“If they continue to persecute us like this, then it is a time for … a show down,” he says.
RyeRye wrote:If these guys think they can do the old "We jihadis don't fear death" act and expect Indians to be afraid, they are sorely mistaken.“Let me tell you, the entire country will repent, they have started a very dangerous game,” said village elder Mohammed Haroon.
“If they continue to persecute us like this, then it is a time for … a show down,” he says.
Cant even imagine the uproar in the media if a BJP govt had done this....Police officer from Aurangabad suspended for suspected SIMI links
By Anupam Dasgupta
Photo: Janak Bhat
The banned Students Isla-mic Movement of India has its sympathisers in the police. Or so, says the Maharashtra police. On July 8, Riyazuddin G. Deshmukh, an inspector of police in Aurangabad, was suspended for his alleged connections with SIMI. He was later booked under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act, 1967.
The police say Deshmukh had been under the scanner since 2001, when the Urdu daily Qasid-e-Waqt published a poem praising Osama bin Laden. Reportedly, Deshmukh's son Khwaja Moinuddin Deshmukh and brother-in-law Eejhar Ahamad Mohammad Ibrahim Deshmukh were bringing out the daily from the inspector's Jakir Nagar residence, near Amravati. Apparently, Khwaja and Eejhar were SIMI ansars (acolytes). In October, 2001, the government seized all printing equipment and proscribed it for its pro-SIMI stance.
A chargesheet was filed in March 2002, against Khwaja, Eejhar and two more SIMI activists-Mujahid Siddique and Anis Khan. In 2005 the state reopened the case and in February 2008, a supplementary chargesheet, naming Deshmukh as a party to the offence, was filed.
Sources close to Deshmukh say the nature of his work led to his troubles. After around two decades of service, he was posted as a senior intelligence officer in the Amravati unit of the state intelligence department (SID) in 2001. His brief was to keep an eye on SIMI functionaries who were creating a pan-Indian network of jihadis. Perhaps, it is this exposure to frontline SIMI activism that led to Deshmukh's coming under the scanner.
But the state affirms that action against him was taken after due investigation. The state home ministry's sanction order dated February 13, 2007 says that Deshmukh was an offender under the UAPA as he supported the activities of Khwaja and Eejhar. It notes that the controversial daily was published from the inspector's residence.
But Deshmukh says there was no justification for reopening the Qasid-e-Waqt case or for naming him in the supplementary chargesheet. He says his superiors have implicated him on cooked-up charges just because he is a Muslim. Says he: "All along I had been an upright officer. During my stint with the SID, I collected timely and crucial information and passed it to my superiors. Some of them might have misinterpreted my strong connections and effective networking skills. And I had to suffer as I chose to raise my voice against those senior officers. I hope the courts will give me a clean chit."
Deshmukh's suspension has raised several questions in its wake. Many of his colleagues say the security agencies should clarify how they should treat a Muslim intelligence official who, they think, has fundamentalist connections. Or, should sympathy for a larger cause lead to action against an officer?
Not everyone in the state doubts his integrity, and apparently there is no adverse remark in his annual confidential report. But most of his colleagues did not want to give him a clean chit, as they believe his family members were guilty.
Says Thane police Commissioner Anil P. Dhere, who was SID chief: "His family members were never above suspicion. As far as I am aware, the press functioned out of Deshmukh's official residence at Amravati." Former director-general of police P.S. Pasricha says Deshmukh "seemed to be a good officer" but the role of some of his relatives might have landed him in trouble.
Deshmukh is meeting ministers and senior police officers to prove his innocence. Says he: "I have requested the government to order a CBI probe into my case. What really rankles is that I always collected quality intelligence, but it seems all my efforts were in vain. The government departments and officials are busy protecting the system. That is the name of the game."
I am not sure that is feasible, in the sense of such a "solution" creating more problems than it solves. The next thing you know these "re-educated" folks will all start believing in Karl Marx -- humans are strange that way. The real problem is the uncontrolled proliferation of Mullahs who make up their own rules as they go along, while acquiring political power....like every politician that seems to be rising in islamist hinterland in North India. The first problem is to remove support for these islamists from the non-muslim crowd and then see what happens when their usual crutches in the media and public discourse are missing.Islam is the real enemy not Muslims, they are victim of this Arabic imperialistic doctrine. Discredit islam and its defenders and cure this disease . Its s a dirty job but must be done . So when Azamgarhi Mullah threatens jihad, Show him the tandav trailor. He would not understand anything else.
a Nellie today anywhere in India will have
crack batallions of St stephens-trained anchors and cameraman doing HALO jumps from
30,000ft within the hour and swimming in using SEAL gear and chariots.
There is a saying in tamil that if a sadhu becomes angry the entire forest cant cope with it. Assorted atheists, Marxist mass murderers, Nandigram rapist goons, their puppets and plants in the so-called secular parties, their propaganda agents in the media, by their one sided and biased and bigoted campaign of lies and vilification against Hindus and Hindu religion will accomplish something even SIMI/IM/LET can't achieve - making the sadhu angry.Singha wrote:when things are pushed beyond a point, even the 'pacifist' yindu society can unleash brutal
violence on a scale thats shocking.