austin,
all your comments would not come if you see both flanker systems (andrei fomin book on su-27 flanker) and radar system
Unless the treatment paint is from Mars or some special DRDO developed one which can make a plane disappear from radar , the fundamentals of the aircraft will not favour the MKI , the gains achieved by MKI by any RCS treatment will be limited at best.
wrong statement, no 4th,4+ gen fighter aims for vlo but optimised lo over +/- 60 degree, ie frontal arc
the mki actually has advantage over bison without any RCS treatment thanks to its large power aperture (980 mm) bars radar
RAM treatement for su-27 class fighters brings down frontal rcs to medium-low fighter class, this is well documented
given huge difference between bars and kopyo for bison in power and power apeture the latter needs every km of range it can squeeze out
radar performance is dictate by aperture size, power, gain and signal processing
decreases in anyone of these and your set suffers
bison suffers vs bars in each parameter
vs pak f-16 it is ok..that is about it
Its still a Huge aircraft and had directly exposed fans the nemesis , which will make it glow on the radar screen.
are you even understanding of bison kopyo-21 radar range? its a msa with xx km range against x sq mtr target
su-27 class fighter untreated will still be detected at lower range than a pesa bars detecting and tracking kopyo.
it might work against first gen chinese msa radars like that on j-11 and small size radars with same problem on f-16s but not against the bars
i am not even getting into basics which you seem to be totally unaware of such as msa stt for precision tracking, lock on range and detection range and difference in dwell time of pesa beam
in all these kopyo loses badly
a pesa radar can begin tracking almost immediate
kopyo, apg-68 cannot they require several scans to build up track file and for msa that takes time
bars can scan in milli sec within dedicated tws sector
also around that nose cone are direct inlet to fan for bison also
and sukhoi treatment see previously
Compare that with Bison which is a small aircraft and has no directly exposed engine , the gains with RCS treatment are significant
i have to laugh out loud here
what gains with rcs treatment making bison magic
do you think the bison went to sub 1 sq mtr levels?
its still limited to 1 sq mtr-the practical limit established by ram treatment without dedicated edge form alignment which is hallmarks of true stealth
at 1 sq mtr, the bison profile is clearly within bars envelope even while
untreated mki will remain out of bison envelope
pls do a basic calculation for tracking ranges and get your answer
fyi, ram usage and some optimization gets fighter to around 1 sq mtr level (clean: examples are EF, rafale) and heavier old gen fighters get to medium size class (5 sq mtr level)
When they say that the F-15 would not be aware of Bison till the last moment till it sneaked in , shows how significant achievement this means for Bison
it only shows your lack of aware of f-15 systems
let us not get overblown by USAF pilot comments
f-15 has apg-63 radar with msa with limitation in detection and tracking, same actually with most msa system, including newer apg-63 version or apg-68
try the bison stunt with latest apg-63v2 radar equipped f-15 then we will see
because it can refocus beam and saturate area with energy in very short time to put it simply
the bison is good against paki/chinese fighters including latest j-11/su-30mkk but its not magic
Can any thing prevent a DRFM jammer being equipped on a Bison now or in the future?
are you even unware that elta 8222 is already a drfm jammer and it is already on bison
btw elta is a limited SPj jet whcih cannot totally combat a high power set like bars (which has dedicated channel for eccm)
Comparing the two aircraft is like comparing a Truck and a sleek race car , when it comes to defending its own turf , the Bison can give a bloody nose to any one
common sir again this has to be a joke of the century and if you actually believe this even more funny
compared to sukhoi bison is an embarassment
we are flying it because we got to
lets not make virtue of out necessity
the sukhoi can outrun, outfly (fuel), out carry payload and outdetect it
"on its own turf"- yes, with a limited war with pakistan or china with lot of support
if the enemy refused to engage your bisons will be running back to AFB on bingo fuel tails firmly tucked between legs without IFR
in cope india, sukhois were acting as long range search (awacs) and voice vectoring bisons
without sukhois both side would be blind men groping
in kkd exercise you may ask what happened to "bison" vs RSAF and you should get your answer