ABM/Missile Defense Discussion

[babbupandey]

The latest is that India is planning to buy missile shield from U.S. - it's quite certain Americans have done the marketing well and also threw bundles of money for anybody who cared to catch.
I guess our indigenous missile shield program is good as dead. I am not expecting any more tests to happen. Period.

[Rahul M]

[Nihat]

The latest is that India is planning to buy missile shield from U.S. - it's quite certain Americans have done the marketing well and also threw bundles of money for anybody who cared to catch.
I guess our indigenous missile shield program is good as dead. I am not expecting any more tests to happen. Period.

lets just keep the random thoughts and opinions at bay and talk in facts , please.

The layered test will happen and pretty soon at that.

[vsudhir]

The layered test will happen and pretty soon at that.

source?

[Nihat]

The layered test will happen and pretty soon at that.

source?

Will US extend the ballistic missile shield to India?
Pact On Cards As DRDO Tests Own Version

Rajat Pandit | TNN

New Delhi: Even as India prepares to test its own fledgling ballistic missile defence (BMD) system for the third time ‘‘within a month or so’’, New Delhi and Washington are moving towards signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) in the BMD arena.

Sources told TOI on Thursday that some rounds of talks on ‘‘possible collaboration on BMD or missile shield systems to enhance cooperative security and stability’’ have been held between India and US in recent times. ‘‘Most of these discussions have taken place under the Joint Technical Group, a sub-group of the overall Indo-US Defence Policy Group architecture. The US is very keen to work with us in the missile defence arena. A formal MoU is now on the cards,’’ said a source.

But the MoU does not mean that India is signing up for a proposed American missile defence shield programme on the lines of Poland and the Czech Republic, which has led to a major diplomatic row between US and Russia in recent months.

Instead, the plan is to seek some missile defence technical knowhow from the US. As part of this, Indian officials and scientists have already witnessed some simulations and a couple of live tests of the US missile defence system. The US, of course, has even offered to sell the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) system to India.

Incidentally, both Russia and Israel have also made similar technical presentations — on their anti-tactical ballistic missile systems ‘S-300V’ and ‘Arrow-2’, respectively — to India in the past.

Faced with missile threats in the immediate neighbourhood, India certainly requires an effective BMD system, with an overlapping network of early-warning sensors, command posts and anti-missile land and sea-based missile batteries.

But the thrust as of now is on fully developing DRDO’s two-tier BMD system, capable of tracking and destroying incoming hostile missiles both inside (endo) and outside (exo) the earth’s atmosphere, which has been tested twice till now.

The first test was in November 2006 when an ‘exo-atmospheric’ hypersonic interceptor missile successfully destroyed a ‘hostile’ Prithvi missile at an altitude of around 40-50 km, demonstrating a capability akin to the Israeli Arrow-2 BMD system.

Then, in December 2007, an ‘endo-atmospheric’ interceptor successfully took on the ‘enemy’ missile at a 15 km altitude, on the lines of the American PAC-3 system.

The aim now is to test both the ‘‘exo’’ and ‘‘endo’’ interceptor missiles together in an integrated mode. ‘‘Simulation tests are now being undertaken. The third test should take place within a month or so,’’ said a source. As per DRDO plans, a BMD system capable of taking on a 2,000-km-range missile is being developed in Phase-I. If all goes well — BMD capabilities are extremely complex — this system should ready for deployment by 2011-2012.

The Phase-II, in turn, will be geared towards tackling threats from missiles up to 5,000-km. ‘‘The development of IIR (imaging infra-red) seekers, for instance, will require international collaboration,’’ said a source.

With both China and Pakistan fielding a wide variety of nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, BMD capabilities are a crucial necessity. But, at the same time, it must be remembered that a BMD system can be overwhelmed by a flurry of ballistic missiles.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... n=TOI&GZ=T

[Chinmayanand]

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[renukb]

From UPI.com

Russia's S-400 air defense system may be world's best

WASHINGTON, Dec. 31 (UPI) -- Russia is testing a new missile for its formidable S-400 Triumf air defense system that, if it performs according to its claimed specifications, is the most formidable long-range anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense system in the world.

Three-star Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin, the commander of the Russian air force, announced testing plans for the new missile Tuesday, the RIA Novosti news agency reported.

RIA Novosti described the S-400 Triumf -- NATO designation SA-21 Growler -- as being "designed to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles) -- twice the range of the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot and 2.5 times that of the S-300PMU-2."

The report said the S-400 was projected to remain the backbone of Russia's theater air and missile defense systems at least until 2020, and possibly even until 2025.

"The S-400 system is being successfully deployed with air defense units. At present, we are testing a new missile for this system," Zelin said, according to the report.

RIA Novosti noted that in 2007, the Russian air force announced it had carried out effective live firing tests of the S-400 air defense complex at its Kapustin Yar firing range in south Russia's Astrakhan region. As previously reported in these columns, the Russian air force already has put into operational service a battalion of its first missile regiment armed with the S-400 to defend the Russian capital, Moscow, and its surrounding regions.

The S-400 Triumf system is claimed to have the capability to intercept "stealth aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, with an effective range of up to 3,500 kilometers (2,200 miles) and a speed of up to 4.8 kilometers per second (10,800 mph)," RIA Novosti reported.

The report said a regular S-400 battalion operates at least eight launchers with 32 missiles. The Russian government has approved funding for a state arms procurement program to produce 18 such battalions with a total arsenal of 576 missiles by 2015, it said.



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Russia still dangles Gabala radar for U.S. use

The Kremlin got nowhere in trying to tempt the Bush administration to use its radar tracking facilities at Gabala in Azerbaijan against the threat of possible future Iranian nuclear-armed missiles instead of building a separate U.S. radar facility in the Czech Republic.

However, now Moscow is renewing its offer in the hope that the incoming administration of U.S. President-elect Barack Obama will be more accommodating.

"Our proposal remains on the table. The new U.S. administration will encounter serious problems with regard to the implementation of its third missile site plan in Europe. We are not exerting any pressure on the U.S. administration here," First Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Denisov stated Monday, according to a report from the RIA Novosti news agency.

Denisov claimed the use of the Gabala radar station, which Russia leases from the former Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan in the Caucasus would prove to be "cost effective" compared to other proposals -- presumably referring to the planned construction from scratch of an advanced U.S. radar tracking array in the Czech Republic. The Czech base is designed to guide 10 U.S. Ground-based Mid-course Interceptors to be based in Poland to intercept future Iranian intercontinental ballistic missiles that may be fired at targets in Western Europe and the eastern United States.

The Russian government, however, has long claimed that the real purpose of the Polish GBIs and the Czech-based radar systems would be to target any survivable second-strike Russian nuclear capability. The issue has deadlocked the Russian and U.S. governments for years.

In a bid claimed to break the deadlock, the Kremlin suggested letting the United States operate radars at Armavir in southern Russia and at Gabala in Azerbaijan. However, U.S. experts say those facilities are far too close to the potential Iranian launch sites to most effectively guide the GBIs on to their targets when they are in midflight over Central Europe.

Also, the Armavir and Gabala bases, of course, would remain effectively under Russian control, and Moscow therefore could eject the U.S. technicians operating radars there at any time.

Obama and Democratic Party foreign policy analysts, however, are eager to sign a new arms control treaty to replace START -- the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty -- that runs out in December 2009, a year from now. And they also have expressed skepticism about the value of building the BMD base in Poland with its accompanying radar.

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[Philip]

In the current time of crisis,the uppermost thought of the GOI/MOD should be BMD for the country and its key centres/bases.Our fledgling missile defence has not been perfected as yet.The Patriot is on offer,but is unreliable from its track record.The best systems available are the Russian systems (S-300/400),which in these times of emergency,should be acquired in large numbers ,perhaps even on "lease",until the crisis passes.Once these systems are in place,we can then think about military moves of our own against an inferior Pak.During the period of "lease",the perfection of our national ABM projects could proceed at an enhanced pace,so as to achieve the layered system of ABMs.

[vipu]

Just a question on the Sensor-Shooter concept.

Assuming we have the best shooter(PAD/AAD) and proven sensors(Greenpine/LRTR), they have to be cued(24X7). With the Aerospace command coming into being, the ABM coverage would be limited to the Metros and core assets.

Would Rohini (deployed in Delhi) be able to guide ABM's?. Would there be sufficient range for the AAD/PAD to cover the distance given a intercept altitude of 20Km?.

[ajay_ijn]

Some statements on Indias missile defence plans.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/KA16Ad01.html

Among other things, just days ago, Foreign Policy magazine designated the US-India joint anti-missile program as number four on its list of the "The Top 10 Stories You Missed in 2008." The magazine's team wrote:
US-facilitated missile shield in India could become a flash point for great-power struggles for decades to come. The plans are likely to add to fears in Beijing that the United States is attempting to temper China's growing influence in Asia. [US Secretary of Defense Robert M] Gates's trip to New Delhi was part of a tour of three of the region's democracies - India, Australia, and Indonesia - which could be used to counter China's regional ambitions if relations with the United States turn frosty. Even more troubling, an Indian missile shield risks triggering a crisis in the nuclear rivalry between India and Pakistan.


According to Subrata Ghoshroy, a research associate at the Science, Technology and Global Security Working Group at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who heads the Promoting Nuclear Stability in South Asia Project, India has already demonstrated its ability to track missiles and launch an interceptor fairly accurately, and also the capability to perform onboard data processing to handle ground-based radar updates until an autonomous seeker can take over for the homing phase.

"India has conducted two intercept tests with an interceptor that is basically a Prithvi missile, their workhorse. I do not know how scripted the tests were. The target surely was not maneuvering," said Ghoshroy.

According to Eric Hagt, China program director at the World Security Institute in Washington DC, India's successful test in a two-tiered system - an exo-atmospheric and the more difficult endo-atmospheric anti-ballistic missile defense systems - "does not necessarily make these systems operational as more tests under more stringent conditions are needed for that, but these successful tests still send a strong message that India is dedicated to acquiring a multi-tiered system, and is making substantive progress toward that goal".

In addition, two new anti-ballistic missiles that can intercept intermediate-range ballistic missiles and inter-continental ballistic missiles (ICBM) are in development, according to Hagt.

"These missiles, the AD-1 and AD-2, are being developed to intercept ballistic missiles with ranges of 5,000 kilometers or more. Test trials of these systems are expected some time in the next two years," he said, adding that India's significant work on its support infrastructure for operational missile defense systems - on the ground, in the air and in space - is attracting very little attention as this unfolds.

When China conducted its controversial anti-satellite (ASAT) test in early 2007, India lit up immediately. Dr Sharad Joshi at the Monterey Institute Center for Non-proliferation Studies wrote at length about India's reaction to this ASAT test in his March 2007 special report for the journal WMD Insights. He mentioned Jasjit Singh's role in shaping the debate. A well-known Indian military expert, Singh called attention to the failure of India's military to become engaged in India's space program.

"The US is hoping to sell India the Patriot Advanced Capability(PAC)-3 missile defense system, [but] the Indians are more interested in building their own systems than buying some from the US," said Victoria Samson, senior analyst at the Washington DC-based Center for Defense Information. "They have had some tests of an air defense system that they built themselves, but this used "proximity fragmentation" instead of a hit-to-kill interceptor. They have approached the US about collaborating to develop a hit-to-kill capability."

"China obviously is following this with great interest, since a close US-Indian cooperation in missile defenses not only is an indication of their shared strategic interests, but also has implications for China since they can defend against both Pakistani and Chinese missiles," said Yuan. "Beijing now is more confident that India is not very likely to cede its autonomy in foreign policy and be - and be seen as - part of a US-orchestrated scheme against China. China may not like what it sees, but can live with them."

India has ordered Akash surface-to-air missiles from Bharat Electronics Ltd, which Nathan Hughes, a military analyst at the Texas-based geopolitical intelligence company Stratfor, labeled "an important act of financial investment, even if the [Indian] military reportedly continues to have reservations about its capability".

"The limitation for India has not been the lack of a desire to field the systems, but the technical limitation that they are not ready. Even though it is buying the Akash, it is not at all clear that the missile has meaningful operational capability against Pakistani missiles and Pakistani cruise missiles which present a very different targeting challenge," said Hughes.

"One cannot overstate the technical complexity of sufficiently capable missile defenses," he added. "New Delhi still has years and years of development work to do. The more limited range of Pakistan's arsenal simplifies things somewhat, but places much higher demands on reaction speed."

While India can benefit by studying the different paths being taken recently by countries such as Japan and Turkey, for example, the fact that Israeli satellites are so welcome at ISRO's launch facility on India's southwest coast points to a dynamic and potent partnership.

"[India has] a relationship with Israel that some are worried may



lead to [Israel] selling missile defense technology to them. If they did, that would be the Arrow Weapon System which the United States co-developed with Israel and a move which Washington would have to approve - at least for all of it to be sold," said Samson. "If India decided it wanted to buy a missile defense system instead of developing it indigenously, it could follow Turkey's move. Turkey has been coy about its intent for its missile defense system and has been assiduously courted by the United States and Russia to buy their missile defense systems."

According to Hagt, although attempts by India to acquire the Israeli Arrow II have been unsuccessful thus far, the accompanying Green Pine radar system was sold to India.

"Indian sources have also [said] that New Delhi has agreed to pay $2.5 billion to co-develop an air and missile defense system with Israel," said Hagt. "The project envisions a network of 18 batteries that could intercept incoming missiles, aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles. India and Israel are natural partners as India needs missile and air defense systems, where Israel is strong, and Israel is short on space-launch facilities, where India has an advantage."
According to Rick Fisher, senior fellow at the Washington DC-based International Assessment and Strategy Center, India has designed a system to counter short- to medium-range Pakistani missiles and does not appear able to able to counter Chinese intermediate or inter-continental range nuclear missiles

"While there have been reports of Indian interest in longer-range Russian anti-ballistic missile (ABM) systems like the S-300V, that has not been realized. India's current priority has been to acquire technologies that it can absorb to develop its own missile defenses, and so far, it appears that India's preference has been to cooperate with Israel and perhaps France," said Fisher.

"Even though India may currently be coy, it remains in US interests to aid the emergence of an Indian missile defense capability," said Fisher. "First, this can help deflect a regional concentration on offensive weapons, and if there is then an offensive-defensive balance, the chances for negotiated limits will increase. This dynamic can also eventually help China to consider that a declining utility for offensive nuclear weapons can increase the attractiveness of negotiated verifiable nuclear limits."

No matter in what direction India turns, China can be expected to sell Pakistan a corresponding anti-missile capability, according to Fisher.

"Pakistani sources already expect that China will sell a future anti-theater ballistic missile defense or (Area Theater Ballistic Missile Defense) ATBMD-capable version of the HQ-9 surface to air missile," said Fisher. "India's development of missile defenses is likely to increase the People's Liberation Army's desire to break out of its now 'stealth' ABM program, likely being done in parallel with its anti-satellite program. China will likely deploy an anti-ICBM capable ABM system before India does so."

China no doubt sees India's anti-missile defense effort as destabilizing. Among other things, as India moves to deploy its system, China fears that Pakistan might counter "by changing its nuclear weapons deployment posture by moving them closer to Indian border for quicker reaction time and making them more difficult to defend against, or by putting them on higher alert status by mating warheads with delivery vehicles, etc. Whatever the reaction by Pakistan it will lead to greater destabilization", said Hagt.

"Some in China suspect that India ultimately has ambitions to become a dominant player in the Indian Ocean and even further afield in the Middle East and Southeast Asia, along which energy and other interests lie. As such, India's nuclear build-up and missile defense targets China's nuclear force," adds Hagt. "The fact that India is working on a range of intermediate and longer range systems beyond the requirements of addressing Pakistan security concerns, appears to support this theory."

In addition, any integration of India into the US global missile defense system, whether it involves interceptors, or the stationing of tracking infrastructure would profoundly affect China's own security.

"China sees this as part of US strategic encirclement of China. This is particularly sensitive for China since its northeast and northwest regions are currently blindspots for US radar systems," said Hagt. "That will disappear with Indian-American missile defense integration. The region would be 'thoroughly exposed', thus vastly decreasing China's 'strategic depth' advantage in this region. This, in essence, would be another 'Poland of the East' in terms of having another overseas missile defense base, this time pointed at China's heart."

Despite what was said earlier about ISRO wanting to maintain its distance from the DRDO team, any missile defense system would dovetail neatly with India's bold space objectives.

"Let us not forget, missile defense systems can be used as ASATs as well, as the US-193 NRO satellite shootdown last year demonstrated," said Hagt. "There is only indirect evidence that India has this in mind in developing missile defense, but the lessons of the Chinese ASAT test were certainly not lost on the Indians."

[p_saggu]

Well the S-400 Triumf crosses the that age old treaty - the MTCR in terms of range...

[jaladipc]

With S-400 or similar kinda interceptor in Indian Hands......... and a dedicated EW sat on top of that........... will let india to intercept the porkis diwali rackets on their own soil in the boost phase. and the nuclear dhamaka will occur in prokis airspace itself.

[Vipul]

India plans to use laser weapons in Ballistic Missile Defence.

New Delhi: India is planning to develop a laser based weapon system as part of its Ballistic Missile Defence to intercept and destroy missiles soon after they are launched towards the country.

"If you have a laser based system on an airborne or seaborne platform, it can travel at the speed of light and in a few seconds, we can kill a ballistic missile coming towards us," DRDO's Air Defence Programme director VK Saraswat said here.

He said the laser based interceptor will give "more time" to the BMD system to kill ballistic missile launched from a distance of 2000 kms.

"Suppose if the missile is being launched at Indian target from 2000 km. If I have to kill it there, I will have to travel that distance, which will require many minutes to be there. If you have a laser system travelling at a speed of light, it can kill that missile in its boost phase (just after launch) even before it has travelled a few 100 kilometers," Saraswat, who is chief controller R&D, said.

A ballistic missile take-off has three segments. When launched, it is called boost phase, and followed by the mid course when it reaches the highest point of its trajectory and lastly the terminal phase when it is coming close to the target on ground.

Saraswat said its ideal to destroy a ballistic missile carrying nuclear or conventional warhead in its boost phase.

"It's easier to kill a missile in boost phase as it has not gained much speed and is easier to target. It cannot deploy any countermeasures and it is vulnerable at that time," Saraswat said.

The distinguished scientist stated that DRDO laboratories like The Laser and Science Technology Centre (LASTEC) was also developing such technologies.

"In LASTEC, we are developing many of these technologies.We have to package these technologies on aircraft like the Americans have done on their systems," he added.

Saraswat added that it will take another 10-15 years for the premier defence research institute to make it usable on ground.

"It is an involved process and not just about producing lasers. We have to put in many systems like the surveillance and tracking systems together for such a system to work. It will take another 10-15 years before we talk of integrating all these elements," he said.

[p_saggu]

Whatever happened to 'KALI' . Anyone know???

[Hiten]

A US-specific article though

BMD requires simultaneous deployment and testing

[Kumar_I]

Any Guru's here know what it the status on IRNSS, We are heavily depending on GPS, Is ISRO Schedule for IRNSS.

Have not ready any new News about this topic.

[renukb]

FROM UPI.com

Can the U.S. F-35 fighter destroy Russia's S-300 systems?


WASHINGTON, Jan. 20 (UPI) -- The American Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth Lightning Joint Strike Fighter is designed to destroy Russia's S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems, its developers say. The F-35's capability is particularly relevant in this time of increased concern over Russia's alleged sale of S-300s to Iran, a nation that has repeatedly threatened to "wipe Israel off the map."

According to Pravda.ru, Lockheed Martin Executive Vice President of F-35 Program Integration Tom Burbage said that, with acquisition of the F-35 fighters, Israel should no longer fear the possibility of facing S-300 systems in Syria and Iran. The computer simulations have demonstrated that the Lightning can defeat Russia's S-300 in combat.

The Russian S-300 system (NATO designations SA-10 Grumble, SA-12 Giant/Gladiator, SA-20 Gargoyle) is considered to be one of the most advanced surface-to-air SAM systems in the world. The long-range surface-to-air missile system defends against aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles.

The S-300's radar can track up to 100 targets and engage up to 12 targets simultaneously within the 200 kilometer (120 mile) range and up to 27 kilometers (16.4 miles) in altitude.

Allegations that Russia may be supplying Iran with S-300 missiles have circulated in the media since 2005. Such missiles could boost Iran's defensive capabilities against possible airstrikes targeting its nuclear program. In the past, Moscow denied Iran's statements that such deliveries had taken place

The latest row over S-300 sales came after Iran's official Islamic Republic News Agency cited a senior Iranian MP, Ismail Kosari, as saying that Russian and Iran had finalized the S-300 deal and Russia had started supplying the systems. This was predicted last fall in Washington by a visiting Russian official with good knowledge of the region. While Iran has neither confirmed nor denied the statement, military experts do not rule out the possibility of on-site S-300 assembly from components allegedly supplied to Iran.

However, Moscow insists its military cooperation with Iran includes only defensive weapons and complies with international commitments. RIA Novosti reported on Dec. 25, 2008, that the Russian Foreign Ministry had denied selling S-300 systems to Iran. According to The Jerusalem Post, Israeli officials say they have received assurances from senior Russian officials that they will not sell S-300s in the Middle East.

Russia's state weapons exporter, Rosoboronexport, has confirmed that its sales to Iran include surface-to-air missiles but did not clarify if this includes the sophisticated S-300 missiles.

Although the sale of the S-300 to Iran is not prohibited, such a deal would be a game-changer in the Middle East. First, with S-300's range of close to 200 kilometers (120 miles), Tehran could threaten U.S. and allied troops deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq, if it were to deploy the system along Iran's borders. Second, it would boost the defense of Iran's Bushehr reactor, which Russia has built. Finally, Tehran also could use S-300s to protect its Natanz uranium-enrichment plant.

A nuclear-armed Iran would be a threat to the region and would likely trigger a regional nuclear arms race, as Israel, Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia would not sit idly while Tehran is building its nuclear arsenal.

Iran's current air defense system is outdated and would not defend against a massive airstrike aimed at its nuclear facilities. Israel, or under certain circumstances, even the United States, does not rule out the possibility of such a strike. If S-300s enter into service in Iran, they may deter potential strikes by Israel, unless Israel either acquires new American F-35s capable of destroying S-300s or executes a pre-emptive strike on Iranian S-300s before they become fully operational.

It's all a question of timing and capabilities. Experts estimate it may take up to one year after delivery for Iran to install S-300s and make them operational. The F-35s will be available to Israel no earlier than in 2011-2013, according to defense industry estimates. The sand in the Middle Eastern doomsday scenario clock is running out.

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(Ariel Cohen, Ph.D., is a senior research fellow in Russian and Eurasian studies and international energy security at the Catherine and Shelby Cullom Davis Institute at The Heritage Foundation.)

[ajay_ijn]

DRDO schedules missile defence test next month

"Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will conduct the test of its interceptor missile and missile tracking radars next month for validating the advancements made in the Air Defence programme," Defence Ministry sources told PTI here today.

Though the interceptor missiles, namely Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) and Advanced Air Defence (AAD), have been tested earlier, the main aim of the next month's test would be to validate the capabilities of the indigenously developed 'Swordfish' Long Range Tracking Radar (LRTR).

Swordfish is a target acquisition and fire control radar for the BMD system.

"The missile to be hit will be fired from a longer distance than it was in the earlier test. DRDO will test whether the radar can track the incoming missile from that distance or not," they said.

In next month's test, the exo-atmospheric interceptor missile PAD will hit its target in space at an altitude over 80 km from earth, sources said.

They said the premier defence research agency will carry out another test around the year end to enhance the capabilities of AAD endo-atmospheric missile, which is used for intercepting missiles at altitudes up to 15 km.

Sources said if the tests prove successful, the DRDO will go ahead with the deployment of the BMD by 2015. PTI

[Rahul M]

http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source ... An3WKroxSA

some more details.

When contacted, DRDO Air Defence programme Director V K Saraswat said that the AD programme was at a "fairly advanced stage" now.

"The building blocks of BMD such as the surveillance, tracking and battlefield management systems have been developed," he said.

Saraswat said the DRDO has developed a very robust command and control system for the AD programme, which can "survive and deliver" in any environment.

"Our command, control and communication system can work in a networked form and survive and deliver even in a high electronic warfare (EW) environment," he said.

He said India was always open for cooperation developing technologies for the programme with friendly foreign countries, but said the country would "not buy" any ready-made BMD systems from any country.

"We have done some thinking on cooperation with countries such as Russia, United States and Israel in this programme and we have taken their help also in developing some of the technologies such as the 'Swordfish' radar for the BMD with Israel but we will not buy anything ready-made from outside," Saraswat said.

[Nitesh]

Isn't this test was supposed to be test of testing two missiles simultaneously?

[Neilz]

Gurus I have a question. Sisnce it is apparent that we are "in fairly advance" stage for ABM. Are we ready for a threat similar like bromhos. Since we have developed this and planned to export in near future then we must get the antidote ready for this.

Is there any clue that a missile defence system is under development for supersonic/hypersonic cruise missile?

After seeing bhromos, there must be other countries trying to develop similar/advance missiles.

[ajay_ijn]

Gurus I have a question. Sisnce it is apparent that we are "in fairly advance" stage for ABM. Are we ready for a threat similar like bromhos. Since we have developed this and planned to export in near future then we must get the antidote ready for this.

Is there any clue that a missile defence system is under development for supersonic/hypersonic cruise missile?

After seeing bhromos, there must be other countries trying to develop similar/advance missiles.

well there is Barak-I and Barak-II for Ship based defences. Army has SA-19 Grison SAM and Air force is getting SPYDER but not sure how capable they would be against supersonic cruise missiles. SPYDER has less reaction time and if Radar is good enough to detect n track missiles then it would be kool. Then Air force is also getting long range SAM based on Barak-II.

besides Akash and PAD would have some cruise missile interception capability.

[Kailash]

"We have done some thinking on cooperation with countries such as Russia, United States and Israel in this programme and we have taken their help also in developing some of the technologies such as the 'Swordfish' radar for the BMD with Israel but we will not buy anything ready-made from outside," Saraswat said.

Please remember that these words are coming from DRDO. Not from MoD or the end user (IA and IAF). DRDO neither has controls, nor exercises any influence on the purchase of military ware from outside. If we have to believe this statement (that is a BIG if), then we should be seeing strong support and huge orders from the end users - which we are not. Considering the deployment date of the shields (2011), it is bit odd that there were no further orders of Akash system after the initial token orders. Also the AD-1 and 2 have to be tested yet.

We may have take this news with a pinch of salt..

[Nitesh]

Kailash check the new procurement policy (DPP 2008). DRDO does have a say now.

[Rahul M]

Please remember that these words are coming from DRDO. Not from MoD or the end user (IA and IAF). DRDO neither has controls, nor exercises any influence on the purchase of military ware from outside. If we have to believe this statement (that is a BIG if), then we should be seeing strong support and huge orders from the end users - which we are not. Considering the deployment date of the shields (2011), it is bit odd that there were no further orders of Akash system after the initial token orders. Also the AD-1 and 2 have to be tested yet.

We may have take this news with a pinch of salt..

for a strategic system like this, DRDO people carry much bigger clout than they do for bread and butter ones. both MoD and IA/IAF would be very very circumspect in pushing DRDO around when it came to strategic weapons.

[ajay_ijn]

India did try for Arrow. what if US clears Arrow sale to India.

[SaiK]

well.. drdo can ask GoI to install its own systems to protect its own assets!

[KrishG]

DRDO schedules another missile defence test next month
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Sources said if the tests prove successful, the DRDO will go ahead with the deployment of the BMD by 2015.

Isn't 2015 quite late ??

[Rahul M]

late for what ?

[jaladipc]

late for what ?

Inducting the Initial version of BMD.

May be 2012 is some what convincing.
DRDO did have already proved the propulsion and guidance and tracking systems for their new BMD.
and all we need is successive tests to validate multiple parameters like launching 5 BM1s of different ranges at diff angles shooting them down with both PAD and AAD at respective altitudes.

and may be another test against the highly maneuverable Shourya will give the real kick of smirnoff

Atleast we have to mimic the enemy BMD to test our shourya and at the same time mimicing the enemies highly maneuverable missile .

One shot ----2 birdies If either of them fails, we can try hard making them better.

2012 should be the induction date of intial version while we can make 2017 a next date for second gen Indian BMD

[Rahul M]

since you didn't get my question, let me make it a little clearer :

Inducting the Initial version of BMD in 2015 is late for doing what ?
what should be the *non-late* date ?
how do you arrive at this date ?
how do you know this target date is feasible ?

[ajay_ijn]

late for what ?

Inducting the Initial version of BMD.

May be 2012 is some what convincing.
DRDO did have already proved the propulsion and guidance and tracking systems for their new BMD.
and all we need is successive tests to validate multiple parameters like launching 5 BM1s of different ranges at diff angles shooting them down with both PAD and AAD at respective altitudes.

and may be another test against the highly maneuverable Shourya will give the real kick of smirnoff

Atleast we have to mimic the enemy BMD to test our shourya and at the same time mimicing the enemies highly maneuverable missile .

One shot ----2 birdies If either of them fails, we can try hard making them better.

2012 should be the induction date of intial version while we can make 2017 a next date for second gen Indian BMD

there is also things like decoys which the Radar should be able to differentiate from actual warhead. Enemy would try to overwhelm the system by using large number of decoys and only few warheads.
There would be lot things (debris) flying around in atmosphere and outside, So tackling false alarms is also challenging.

[swapna]

At the end of the Video there are lots of Aerostat Radars deployed. Air Defence looks better than India's. They have over 2000 Air defence Guns as well.

[KrishG]

France to develop SR-SAM with India

16:11 GMT, January 20, 2009 WASHINGTON | France wants to develop a new short-range surface-to-air missile (SR-SAM) in cooperation with India. Negotiations are nearing conclusion, according to Jean-David Levitte, Diplomatic Adviser to French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

This new system may be the Maitri, which may incorporate technology from India's Trishul SAM and MBDA's MICA.

India' state-run Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) released a global RFP for co-development of SR-SAM system. Levitte said the process to secure a foreign partner is underway.

India recently announced orders for the Akash, another indigenously designed missile, and the Israeli-built SPYDER.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/4990/

Wasn't India supposed to develop SR-SAM with British MBDA ??

[Gerard]

Isn't this test was supposed to be test of testing two missiles simultaneously?

Was wondering about that myself.
No mention of the dual layer test in these recent reports

[ajay_ijn]

France to develop SR-SAM with India

16:11 GMT, January 20, 2009 WASHINGTON | France wants to develop a new short-range surface-to-air missile (SR-SAM) in cooperation with India. Negotiations are nearing conclusion, according to Jean-David Levitte, Diplomatic Adviser to French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

This new system may be the Maitri, which may incorporate technology from India's Trishul SAM and MBDA's MICA.

India' state-run Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) released a global RFP for co-development of SR-SAM system. Levitte said the process to secure a foreign partner is underway.

India recently announced orders for the Akash, another indigenously designed missile, and the Israeli-built SPYDER.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/4990/

Wasn't India supposed to develop SR-SAM with British MBDA ??

MBDA is jointly owned by many european countries.

[ajay_ijn]

At the end of the Video there are lots of Aerostat Radars deployed. Air Defence looks better than India's. They have over 2000 Air defence Guns as well.

I think IA alone has an extensive AD System including the 2000+ Guns.

[Virender]

At the end of the Video there are lots of Aerostat Radars deployed. Air Defence looks better than India's. They have over 2000 Air defence Guns as well.

I think IA alone has an extensive AD System including the 2000+ Guns.

Well...they are not aerostat Radars....instead they are balloons to deny airspace/intercept to low flying aircrafts around vital installations.

[Nmistry]

swapna wrote:
At the end of the Video there are lots of Aerostat Radars deployed. Air Defence looks better than India's. They have over 2000 Air defence Guns as well.

I think IA alone has an extensive AD System including the 2000+ Guns.

Well...they are not aerostat Radars....instead they are balloons to deny airspace/intercept to low flying aircrafts around vital installations.



Forum Guru’s please correct me if I am wrong.

These balloons are inflatable decoy systems, to full anti radiation missiles optical sensor.
I have read some news that Pakistan had checked capability of Harpy UAV / missile in Turkey.

So if some one fire anti-radiation missiles towards this Aerostat radar, as a last option to survive, they will switch-off the radar, and change its location. But some missiles have the capability of Optical sensor. To full this sensor they have these balloon decoys.

Same way Pakistan has some inflatable decoys for F-16 plane also, which has the same dimensions, physical characteristics and it will create engine smoke also.

I am sure that our military planner have some backup plans to save our costly missiles from these decoys and hit the correct target

[ajay_ijn]

we could use air launched decoys to saturate or confuse enemy air defences.