well, Shenzhen's per nominal GDP supass 10000 USD in 2006 or so and Shenzhen became the first chinese city what came into "10000 USD era".amit wrote: Liu,
Sorry to say but your post seems to indicate that the bad in your earlier bad wolf moniker was more attuned to “stupid” than anything else.
Your per capita figures of various regions of China make for excellent fiction but I’ll let it go.
However, this piece is a gem – a keeper among quotable quotes
In fact, when Shenzhen city declared so, a nationwide controvery took place in CHina about "what 10000 USD era should be like "!
Now, lots of Chinese cities like Beijing and shanghai has come into " 10000 USD era".
If you still feel it "excellent fiction ", it just proves that your information about china is quite outdated?
In fact, CHinese tier1 cities like Shanghai,Beijing and Shenzhen are not less developed than cities in first world.
First lets get the validity of the statement out of the way.The per GDP of rural China (except costal rural area) is about 500-3000 USD or 3000-5000USD (PPP)
According to this link the Chinese farmers per capita income in 2008 (latest figures) was 4,761 Renminbi or US$696.
Yet you pull out (I wonder from which hole) US$500-US$3000! Where did that US$3000 come from????
But lets put aside the accuracy factor of your numbers aside and assume your figures are spot on (a very big assumption I know, but hey we’re here to have fun right!).
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Excuse me, do you know the difference between " per nominal GDP" and "per income"?
"per income" is always less than " per nominal GDP"
I think you mistaken those two different concepts.
well,
You know I feel really sad to see that you have to resort to outright lies in order to bolster your argument. Sad because I personally believe there’s a lot that’s remarkable in what China has achieved over the past 30 years, which can stand on their own merit, just as there have been many mistakes. But folks like you, in the name of saving face, are too concerned in covering your mistakes to highlight China’s achievements.
Have a look here
Get it this into your head you’ll not be allowed to pull fast ones on this forum and go unchallenged.China’s 700 million farmers have mostly missed out on the country’s economic boom. In 2006 Vice Premier Wen Jiabao correctly noted that rural poverty and land grabs that strip farmers of their land were a ‘key source of instability’ in China. Two years later, the situation is just as dire.
A raft of reforms recently announced may help. But if history is any guide, the reforms will provide only a superficial fix.
The main, still unaddressed, problem is farmers’ lack of full property rights. Unlike in cities, where owning property is now permitted, almost all farmland in China is owned by village collectives.
Under a reform passed a decade ago, farmers ostensibly have 30-year land-use rights that allow them to till the soil. But corrupt local officials have little trouble stripping these rights through arbitrary ‘reallocations.’ These land grabs result in tens of thousands of protests in rural China every year.
The new set of reforms is being hailed by state media as a ‘landmark,’ but they still don’t give farmers the ownership rights.
1.just as I refered, most CHinese peasants are still poor ,compared with urban chinese. But anyhow, Chinese peasant needn't worry food and housed. Isn't it much superior to those living in slum and begging in cities?
2.what Premier Wen Jiabao just reflect how seriously the whole chinese society consider the problem of peasant' land distribution system.
3. as for "problem is farmers’ lack of full property rights",the article's pointview is still controversial in china. personally I think any reform should be experimented in a limited area.
excuse me, there may be some protests in China. But there are hardly "incidents" with guns and bomb involved in CHina.
Another Mine’s Bigger Than Yours Argument. You know that usually comes from a deep-seated sense of inadequacy.
Despite the verbal diarrhea that you spewed, you did not even attempt to answer the central tenet of my argument, which was, that both India and China are in deep trouble due to this economic crisis. However, India due to its democratic set-up can ride out any discontent better than China with it’s authoritarian set up.
I can guess you weren’t taught the answer to that question in the education camps before they sent you as a drone to BRF.
how about India's mao Guerrillas?how about the separatist in Asam? how about the continous "bomb' in india urban cities?
which may be more dangerous, the above "incidents" with guns and bome flying ,or CHina's protestors in street?
I am not boasting "mine is better than you ". I just tell you that china would never be so prosperous now if China had been full of Guns,bombs and guerrillas.