PRC Political News & Discussions

Arya Sumantra · Post by **Arya Sumantra** » 20 Feb 2009 06:03

All those who fell sick had eaten pig organs, said Wang Guobin, an official with the Guangzhou Municipal Public Health Bureau. Initial investigations showed the organs were contaminated with clenbuterol.

The chemical can stop pigs accumulating fat and can be used by humans as a weight loss aid and to help ease breathing disorders. It is banned as an additive in pig feed in China.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 20 Feb 2009 20:53

China summons Russian ambassador

BEIJING: China summoned Russia's ambassador Friday to express shock over the sinking of a Chinese cargo ship by a Russian warship and urge a thorough investigation, the foreign ministry said.

Eight of the 16 crew members on board were killed when shots from a Russian naval vessel sank the Chinese-owned cargo ship the New Star off Russia's east coast on Sunday.

Russia has blamed the cargo ship's captain for the incident. Russian diplomatic spokesman Andrey Nesterenko expressed regret over the incident, but said the Chinese ship had failed to heed warning shots.

"We regret the tragic consequences of this incident," he told a news agency.

China slams Russian attitude to sunken ship: report

BEIJING: China's foreign ministry said Friday Russia's attitude to the sinking of a Chinese cargo ship by a Russian warship was "unacceptable", according to Chinese state media.

The attitude of the Russian foreign ministry is "hard to understand and unacceptable" for China, said Zhang Xiyun, director-general for the Department of European-Central Asian Affairs, according to the official news agency.

Earlier, China urged Russia to investigate the incident.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 20 Feb 2009 22:02

Pak's Jamaat signs deal with China's Communist party

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 20 Feb 2009 23:03

Road to riches ends for 20 million Chinese poor

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 21 Feb 2009 10:05

Chinese Officials Protest Sinking of Cargo Ship by Russians

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 21 Feb 2009 13:15

Russia shows the way in dealing with China,friendship notwithstanding!

Here China is shwon trying to keep Tibert under an iron fist of occupation and show Clinton a stark message.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 775335.ece
China sends more troops into Tibet as Hillary Clinton arrives for talks

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 21 Feb 2009 23:25

a new scandle of "mouse&cat(躲猫猫)" shocks&ammuses China.

Feb. 8,2009, a accused suspects died in a hospital after He got injured "strangely" in a Detention Center in Yunnan province ,CHina.

After the scandle was exposed on websites,the whole country got shocked in CHina.Most of Chinese netizens believe that the death of the accused suspect must be caused by the Police's Torture. Millions of CHinese netizens appeal a investigation on the scandle.

So,the local government has to have a "joint investigation" on the scandle.However,the investigation launched by the local government provided a most absurd&ammusing conclusion ,that the death of accused suspect was caused by a game called "mouse&cat(躲猫猫)" and had nothing to do with "police tortures.
According to the absurd and ammusing conclusion, the accused suspect and other suspects in the detention center played the game of "mouse&cat" with eyes covered by cloth after all policemen got asleep. During the game,because the eyes were covered by cloth, the accused suspect knocked his head on the wall and got injured seriously.
Hi,indian friends, do you believe the absurd& ammusing conclusion?
Anyhow, I don't believe it, neither do most chinese......

.......2009年2月8日，晋宁县看守所一在押人员李荞明突发意外受伤昏迷，后经抢救无效死亡。经晋宁县检察机关和公安机关相关部门调查核实：该事件系在押人员趁民警刚巡视后擅自进行娱乐游戏时，发生的一起意外事件。........
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/conten ... 7781.shtml

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 22 Feb 2009 00:34

Liu, Can you give your perspective on the concept of race and colour in China since ancient to modern times ?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Feb 2009 00:55

Liu wrote:a new scandle of "mouse&cat(躲猫猫)" shocks&ammuses China.

Feb. 8,2009, a accused suspects died in a hospital after He got injured "strangely" in a Detention Center in Yunnan province ,CHina.

After the scandle was exposed on websites,the whole country got shocked in CHina.Most of Chinese netizens believe that the death of the accused suspect must be caused by the Police's Torture. Millions of CHinese netizens appeal a investigation on the scandle.

So,the local government has to have a "joint investigation" on the scandle.However,the investigation launched by the local government provided a most absurd&ammusing conclusion ,that the death of accused suspect was caused by a game called "mouse&cat(躲猫猫)" and had nothing to do with "police tortures.
According to the absurd and ammusing conclusion, the accused suspect and other suspects in the detention center played the game of "mouse&cat" with eyes covered by cloth after all policemen got asleep. During the game,because the eyes were covered by cloth, the accused suspect knocked his head on the wall and got injured seriously.
Hi,indian friends, do you believe the absurd& ammusing conclusion?
Anyhow, I don't believe it, neither do most chinese......

.......2009年2月8日，晋宁县看守所一在押人员李荞明突发意外受伤昏迷，后经抢救无效死亡。经晋宁县检察机关和公安机关相关部门调查核实：该事件系在押人员趁民警刚巡视后擅自进行娱乐游戏时，发生的一起意外事件。........
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/conten ... 7781.shtml

I am a pinko I believe the story

Div · Post by **Div** » 23 Feb 2009 03:22

Hillary Clinton ‘panders’ to China as dissidents are silenced
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 780481.ece

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 23 Feb 2009 04:53

Liu, feel free to ignore this question if you feel you would be in some danger, but would you consider yourself a nationalist or a "radical dissident"?

himadri · Post by **himadri** » 23 Feb 2009 22:52

I searched "bharat rakshak" in google news the following is the result :

I dont know chinese but looks like something talked about in BR this month, has attracted chinese attention.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 24 Feb 2009 00:49

China issues call to crush Tibetan 'separatists'

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 24 Feb 2009 10:38

himadri wrote:I searched "bharat rakshak" in google news the following is the result :

I dont know chinese but looks like something talked about in BR this month, has attracted chinese attention.

Checked the 2nd story. This is the link.

http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/new ... 791602.htm

The link has Arjun tank's pic and some text in chinese.

Used google traslate tool and this is the result.

National Defense Journal of famous Indian "bharat-rakshak" website February 6 reported that the Indian Army is expected by the end of February fitted out by their self-developed "Arjun" main battle tanks, and this behavior is likely to boost India's domestic defense equipment生产.

Reported that "Arjun" main battle tanks of the research and development work began in the 36 years ago, in the process, India has encountered numerous obstacles, the project and has repeatedly been delayed. Reported that all 45 "Arjun" main battle tanks may be composed of an armored regiment, the first batch of tanks will be delivered within the next three weeks. In the first stage, located in Tamil Nadu, India (Tamil Nadu) Al-Awadi of the heavy vehicle manufacturing company, the Indian Army will be delivered by the production of main battle tanks of 18-20 vehicles. So far, 85 tanks are at different stages of manufacturing.

Reported that "Arjun" main battle tanks by the Indian state of Maharashtra Ahmednagar armored regiment Center City College (Armoured Corps center and School) to receive, relevant staff will receive training in operating tanks . As for the actual experience of being deployed to the mission field armored regiment, it is also necessary to wait for a few months. Main battle tanks that may be deployed to the border with Pakistan, India, where the army deployed tanks from 59 groups consisting of tanks.

Reported that, although "Arjun" main battle tanks to be delivered using the Indian Army, the Indian armed forces within the opposition still continues - the Indian armed forces has said that only in a number of parameters to meet the standards, its only agreed to the introduction of this types of tanks. However, the Indian Defense Minister AK Anthony (Shri AK Antony) has clearly pointed out that because of "Arjun" main battle tanks in good condition, so the Indian armed forces will be introduced to this weighs 58 tons of main battle tanks.

Indian government sources, the relevant delivery date originally scheduled for the end of January, but the final delivery date has been postponed a month. According to India's Defense Research and Development Organization said, "Arjun" tanks are ready to be handed over to the Indian Army. Reported that this might mean that the Indian armed forces without having to wait for "Arjun" main battle tanks and Russian-made T-90 tanks Comparative Test - Defense Research and Development Organization has been expected to carry out the test - be able to set out on such tanks installed a.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 25 Feb 2009 21:48

express news from Beijing.

Two guys burned themself in Wanghujin avenue in Beijing. It is reported that they should be tibet-independence advocator!

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 25 Feb 2009 21:55

^This report speculates they could be chinese petitioners with greviances and not tibetans independence activists.

Three set themselves on fire in Beijing protest near Tiananmen Square

Three people set themselves on fire in their car in a protest near Tiananmen Square in the heart of the Chinese capital Beijing on Wednesday
...
The authorities gave few details, but said the three people had come to Beijing to air "personal grievances".
...
It has been the venue for occasional protests since, including a number of self-immolations.
...
On this occasion, the witnesses said there were three Chinese national flags on top of the silver-grey car.
...
Next week sees the start of the annual two-week meeting of the National People's Congress, China's rubber-stamp parliament, which often acts as a magnet for "petitioners" who come to Beijing to lodge complaints against local officials.

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 25 Feb 2009 22:23

Liu wrote:express news from Beijing.

Two guys burned themself in Wanghujin avenue in Beijing. It is reported that they should be tibet-independence advocator!

here is a discussion about the event on CHinese forums:

http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2045813
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1. 白鹤： " On the first day of the Ox year,all parties related tibet issue agreed that the new year will pass with continous pretest,riots and accusations. 3 protesting nervous morons turned the news to a wonderful farce...
( 土牛年的第一天，西藏问题上的对立双方就形成了一个难得的共识：这一年和上一年一样，又要在不停歇的示威、骚动和多的无法描述的口水战中度过了。三名既无能又神经质的抗议者，把原来可能还值得一提的新闻变成了一出真正意义上的闹剧··· )"

2 fcboliver: "what great Comedian those guys are!,but they should have burnt themselves in their master's home.after CNN and BBC had been noticed in advance . Nobody cares about them in CHina!"
( 这帮人还真富有娱乐精神！要焚到主子家理焚啊，当然之前ＣＮＮ，ＢＢＣ们通知个遍。在中国谁理你啊?)"

3涤萝:" I am looking forward to such wonderful case for long time after they boasted ! But it seems that they are not hurt much! Are they really Tibet-independence advocators?
(嚷嚷了这么多年可算逮到一次了，貌似焚得不重 ,真是藏独？ )"

4. 水放多了:" self-burning? Wonderful! the more bitchs die,the better the world will be! I wish that all such guys burn themselves,then the world would be peace! How evil I am.ah ah:)"
"
(自焚？好，烧死一个少一个全都来焚了得了。我太邪恶了 )

5.红茶魔术猫:" the most useful skill of pat-dogs is to sway their tails in the front of their masters! but it is different from last year! old tricks won't works again! how stupid they are!"
(做狗最重要的就是会看主人眼色红茶魔术猫 2009-02-25 06:48:20
今年不同去年，还玩一样的套路，蠢！ )

6:dragan:" According to Beijing news, it happened in Wanghujing avenue! but how ammusing it was that Beijingnews just reported that 2 injued!"
(王府井口那里发生的，听北京新闻 2009-02-25 06:46:28http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2045813
呵呵，真好笑，说是2人受伤，介绍3人时，说是进京有诉求的群众。 )

7.深夜腌的萝卜丝:" here is the report! '3 burned in the downtowns of Beijing!'"
(2报道在此 2009-02-25 06:44:30
北京市中心发生3人自焚事件 )

8.吃好喝好:" it seems that it happened in CHina! are tibet-independence advocators so furious ? it won't work,because there is no olympics this year and their masters are now in trouble also!"
(2看着像在国内？ 2009-02-25 05:43:17http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2045813
现在藏独这么猖狂了？
今年不比去年，tg不用办奥运，各家日子也不好过，他们玩不出花来。 )

9. 子玉:" yes, their trick will not work any more,so they got mad and had themselves burnt ducks!"
(3不错，玩不出花来... 子玉 2009-02-25 05:50:19
一气之下，他们把自己给烤熟了。 http://www.ccthere.com/thread/2045813)

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 25 Feb 2009 22:25

Avinash R wrote:^This report speculates they could be chinese petitioners with greviances and not tibetans independence activists.
Three set themselves on fire in Beijing protest near Tiananmen Square

Three people set themselves on fire in their car in a protest near Tiananmen Square in the heart of the Chinese capital Beijing on Wednesday
...
The authorities gave few details, but said the three people had come to Beijing to air "personal grievances".
...
It has been the venue for occasional protests since, including a number of self-immolations.
...
On this occasion, the witnesses said there were three Chinese national flags on top of the silver-grey car.
...
Next week sees the start of the annual two-week meeting of the National People's Congress, China's rubber-stamp parliament, which often acts as a magnet for "petitioners" who come to Beijing to lodge complaints against local officials.

PLS read the translated dicussion.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 25 Feb 2009 22:33

Russia says stolen weapons heading to China found

Free the Uighurs

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 25 Feb 2009 22:49

Liu wrote:PLS read the translated dicussion.

The discussion is more like people gloating and laughing at people who died, calling them names like morons, comedian, bitchs, pat-dogs, burnt ducks.

One thing you cant accuse the chinese is lack of imagination in using cuss words.

Self immolators are called burnt ducks, who would have thought about that.

And i dont find anything which suggests they were tibetans. Which tibetans wuld carry 3 chinese flags on top on the car? I think the persons who were calling the dead names would be surprised to find that the dead were chinese not tibetans.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 26 Feb 2009 04:23

US needs to stabilise India-Pak relationship first: Chinese daily

In a recent article in the Chinese language magazine Huanqiu, Fu Xiaojiang, from the China Institute for Contemporary International Relations, wrote that China had sent its special envoy to South Asia to mediate between India and Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks. It shows that China is paying more attention to the security of its neighbourhood, and is more willing to shoulder its burden and its big power moral (duty) to preserve regional security. This is the same thread that runs through the People's Daily editorial.

Fu continues, "The two countries' (India and Pakistan) contradictions are at the root of South Asia's security problems and is also the key problem that comes up when big powers consider the situation in South Asia. Actually India accepting the mediation/good offices of US and China would be favourable for India-Pakistan relations and for the entire region."

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 26 Feb 2009 06:46

Cross posting from the Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan thread

Two views
Zardari draws a blank from China visit

US needs to stabilise India-Pak relationship first: Chinese daily

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 26 Feb 2009 14:35

China has demanded that France stop the auction of ancient chinese busts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090225/en ... rancechina

in return, the auctioners have set their own demands from china:
Free Tibet, give respect Dalai Lama, give civil liberties to its peoples!!

Atleast someone stoodup to them!

Liu · Post by **Liu** » 26 Feb 2009 16:48

AdityaM wrote:China has demanded that France stop the auction of ancient chinese busts.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090225/en ... rancechina

in return, the auctioners have set their own demands from china:
Free Tibet, give respect Dalai Lama, give civil liberties to its peoples!!

Atleast someone stoodup to them!

well, don't forget that lots of indian Heritages were also robbed by Eurpean and are kept outside India.

If china wins the case and take back those Chinese Heritages ,it will be a good example for India to take back its Heritage robbed by european.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 26 Feb 2009 17:43

^

whichever way the chinese case goes it doesn't affect the recovery of indian property in the hands of few greedy collectors.

krithivas · Post by **krithivas** » 27 Feb 2009 03:01

Tibet on road of rapid uplift: Naxal Ram
http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/27/stories ... 511900.htm

“The problems are largely in the minds of some sections abroad, in ‘make-believe Tibet’, and in the propaganda of the pro-independence movement of the Dalai Lama,” N. Ram, Editor-in-Chief of The Hindu, a leading English language Indian daily, told Xinhua on Wednesday.

R. Krithivas

Keshav · Post by **Keshav** » 27 Feb 2009 07:02

Tibet on road of rapid uplift: Naxal Ram

If we can set aside our emotions about Tibet and "The Hindu", what evidence do we have about concrete development that China is doing in Tibet in terms of infrastructure, especially.

Liu wrote: Atleast someone stoodup to them!
well, don't forget that lots of indian Heritages were also robbed by Eurpean and are kept outside India.

If china wins the case and take back those Chinese Heritages ,it will be a good example for India to take back its Heritage robbed by european.

Considering its an auction, why doesn't China simply buy the art pieces?

anjali · Post by **anjali** » 27 Feb 2009 12:48

Much older article, about the TSP- PRC nuclear proliferation game

http://www.asianresearch.org/articles/2066.html

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 27 Feb 2009 13:35

“The problems are largely in the minds of some sections abroad, in ‘make-believe Tibet’, and in the propaganda of the pro-independence movement of the Dalai Lama,” N. Ram, Editor-in-Chief of The Hindu, a leading English language Indian daily, told Xinhua on Wednesday.

N Ram, though fat and pink cheeked, was always a slim customer.

Was he there in China on an all expense paid jamboree and a junket?

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 27 Feb 2009 15:30

Liu wrote:If china wins the case and take back those Chinese Heritages ,it will be a good example for India to take back its Heritage robbed by european.

Let me share a small secret with you.
No Indian govt has ever bothered about our national treasures. So anything that china does will make no impact.
otherwise the Queens crown would have been resting in Delhi

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 04 Mar 2009 22:48

China announces double-digit military spending boost

... . . . China will boost military spending by 14.9% this year despite the economic slowdown, continuing a run of double-digit increases that have unsettled the US and Asian neighbours.

The spokesman for the National People's Congress – China's rubber-stamp parliament, which begins its annual session tomorrow – told reporters it was a "modest" increase which would increase capabilities and improve conditions for the 2.3 million members of the world's largest army.

Li Zhaoxing said defence spending will reach 480.6bn yuan (£50bn), 62.5bn yuan more than 2008. But the rise is slightly below last year's 17.6% increase – and the total is still dwarfed by US military spending.

The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) estimates that even when comparative buying power is considered, China spent the equivalent of $140bn (£99bn) in 2007, to America's $547bn. The UK spent the equivalent of $54bn.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 05 Mar 2009 04:05

Twin Chinese jolts to India, via media

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 05 Mar 2009 07:18

^^
Nothing new, the panda is a well known rabble rouser & back stabber.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 05 Mar 2009 18:26

China got through to UNSC via the back-door. China's contribution to the "war effort" as a result of which it was apparently rewarded is a very hazy affair - for the seat was actually given to the "nationalist China" of the Guo-min-dang of Chiang Kai Shek, whose own records at fighting the Japanese is a story of dismal failures and extraordinary corruption. India's boot-licking historians have never made this a public issue - that in comparison India's contribution to winning the war on behalf of teh Allies have never been recognized as India was formally still then treated as part of the British empire. In that sense - both in comparative contiribution and as part of the UK- India should already have been guaranteed a position in the UNSC. India's history-less politicians simply do not have the brains to lash out when such comments appear - that intellectual viciousness and impromptu savage intellectual reaction that was a hallmark of the founding fathers of India are gone. China is not a factor, for India should also firmly hint that any nation that obstructs India's legitimate roles and positions out of narrow, devious and selfish interests and hidden agendas shoudl be aware that course of events may lead the world to a situation where such petty politics makes the whole instituion meaningless and redundant - with new independent institutions being formed.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 05 Mar 2009 19:12

RaviBg wrote:Twin Chinese jolts to India, via media

Two articles in People’s Daily, the Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece, have India worried about Beijing’s “intentions”.

In its issue dated February 23, the daily has equated the India-Pakistan problem — or the Kashmir issue — with problems of terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The “Afghan problem”, the “Pakistani problem” and the “Indian-Pakistani problem” were “all related”, an article said, adding this was the reason US special envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke included India in his visit to the region.

So good of china. The "Xinjiang problem" also known as "East Turkistan problem" is linked to "Afghan Problem" and "Pakistan problem". China seems to be very keen to invite Holbrooke to solve their problem. While he is solving that problem china may also like him to solve their "Tibet problem" too. This is the way to maintain good neighbourly ties. And whatever happened to that Panchsheel that they signed. Did they forgot the non-interference in internal matters part of it or do they have a very short memory.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 06 Mar 2009 06:09

Taliban force a China switch

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 08 Mar 2009 08:34

China in dispute with Malaysia, Philippines over Island

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 08 Mar 2009 19:02

China begins designing nuclear reactors for Pak

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 10 Mar 2009 00:44

In occupied Tibet, they show brotherly love for their Cheeni liberators - The Guardian

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 10 Mar 2009 15:43

THE CCP is now testing the limits of their newfound economic leverage by pushing against unkil's military presence and assets....

Gotta give 'em nerve. And spunk. They're scoping unkil's musharraf now. The audacity of scope indeed.

China says U.S. naval ship broke the law

BEIJING (Reuters) - China said on Tuesday that a U.S. Navy ship involved in a confrontation with its fleet off the southern island of Hainan had violated international and Chinese laws.

Washington had urged China to observe international maritime rules after the Pentagon said five Chinese ships, including a naval vessel, harassed the USNS Impeccable in international waters on Sunday.

"The U.S. claims are gravely in contravention of the facts and confuse black and white and they are totally unacceptable to China," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu told a regular news briefing.

And here's the punchline:

But the confrontation was unlikely to do lasting damage to ties between two countries as they combat the global economic slump, a Chinese analyst in Beijing said.

I do expect PRC dirty tricks all over south asia now.