Indian Naval Discussion

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Apr 2009 13:21

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JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 21 Apr 2009 06:35

1,100 navy, army men to take part in 'Freedom of Entry to the City'

Kota Kinabalu: Some 1,100 navy and army personnel from United States of America, India, Indonesia and Brunei would be taking part in the "Freedom of Entry to the City" programme on April 18 at Segama Waterfront in conjunction with the Malaysian Royal Navy 75th Anniversary.

A statement from City Hall, Friday, said 16 contingents would be taking part in the naval march past starting 10am.

During the event, Mayor Datuk Iliyas Ibrahim would be handing a symbolic city's key to regional naval commander.

There would be also maritime demonstration and precision drill. The public would have the opportunity to visit the navy ships from 10.45am to 5pm at the Sabah Ports.

In the evening, the Sunset Ceremony would be held at 6.30pm, precision drill and Indonesia naval band presentation, cultural dances from Sabah Tourism Board (STB) and fireworks.

A pic of the Indian contingent taken from here

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 21 Apr 2009 06:58

Spy plane acquired from US to be based in Tamil Nadu

New Delhi, April 20 (IANS) India’s newly acquired long-range spy planes, the P8-I, purchased from the US under a $2.1 billion deal earlier this year, will be based at an Indian naval air base in Tamil Nadu for better surveillance of the country’s coastline.

“The aircraft will be based at the Naval Air Station Rajali at Arakkonam (in Tamil Nadu). The base has been chosen as it has a long runway,” a senior Indian Navy official told IANS, requesting anonymity.

“Infrastructure will be set up at the air base for the P8-I aircraft, the first of which will arrive by 2014. Since it is in south India, the base will also increase the range of the aircraft,” the official added.

China wants to join Navy initiative on Indian Ocean, MEA says no need

India joins China’s naval parade

Indian Navy chief on maiden visit to China

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 21 Apr 2009 07:47

I decided to track the P-8A program within the IN thread since it will become a part of IN eventually.

A quick snap of the starboard side of the P-8A.

The first P-8A Poseidon - N541BA - back out on the flightline at Renton seen here preparing for engine runs

parshuram · Post by **parshuram** » 21 Apr 2009 13:31

This is from ARM - TASS Please Bear for translation errors .

The Russian side confirms that in the year 2012 will convey India modernized ship "ADMIRAL GORSHKOV"

Moscow, 21 April. (ITAR-TASS). Russia in the year 2012 will convey India modernized at the shipbuilding company "Sevmash" ship "ADMIRAL GORSHKOV". This date reiterated by President "Joint Shipping Corporation" (OSC) Vladimir PAKHOMOV a published today interview time News ".

By agreement with the Indian party Date of transmission-2012. work against the taking place in three shifts, employing nearly 2, 000. highly-skilled workers. will increase the number of work, to increase the pace of work, but not to harm quality. Under negotiation with the Indian side of additional financing, "said PAKHOMOV.

The contract to modernize ship "ADMIRAL GORSHKOV" was concluded with India in 2004. Initially the transfer ship had been planned in 2008. However, because of the increase in time for completion of an aircraft carrier go for 2012-2013. The Indian Navy aircraft carrier was called the "Vikrmaditya ".

On the condition that adequate funding "Sevmash" expects to complete modernization and initiate plant testing ship in 2011. It is expected that the term of service would be no less than 30 years. The base against the 16 fighters MiG-29K and marine ASW helicopters Ka-31 and Ka-27.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 22 Apr 2009 02:48

India pays $1.6 bn for warship, Russian wants more

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 22 Apr 2009 07:10

Nitesh wrote:India pays $1.6 bn for warship, Russian wants more

Gorshy deal was settled .And all this crap is just DDM.

aditp · Post by **aditp** » 22 Apr 2009 12:35

jaladipc wrote:
Nitesh wrote:India pays $1.6 bn for warship, Russian wants more

Gorshy deal was settled .And all this crap is just DDM.

???? When, where and for how much?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Apr 2009 07:57

A sailor from INS Godavari has gone missing near Karwar at night while ship was sailing from
Cochin to Mumbai. search is on. suspected to have fallen overboard in the night.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 23 Apr 2009 21:17

Scans from Vayu - IAC Keel Laying Article

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 23 Apr 2009 23:35

Lockheed Martin briefs Indian Navy on Aegis missile defence system

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/bus ... 83773.html

Howard also said the company was open to collaborating with India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on integrating its Prithvi Air Defence Shield (PADS) with the Aegis launcher and command and control system.

Interesting...........

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 24 Apr 2009 06:00

Japan to join U.S. and India in military exercise

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Apr 2009 13:00

The worst mistake India can do is to acquire the Aegis system,which will allow the US complete control whenever it wants over the entire IN.Aegis allows the US to control any warship and any weapon system aboard from the US.The US wants to infiltrate all Indian designed critical weapon systems,so that it can neutralise them whenever it wants.India should erect a barrier between the US and the Indian armed forces,friendship upto a point.The US's continuing support military and economic for Pak,plus wanting India to "hand over" part of J&K to the terrorists and foget all baout P{ak's terror attacks,shows how dishonourable US "friendship" is.

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 24 Apr 2009 15:56

Philip wrote:The worst mistake India can do is to acquire the Aegis system,which will allow the US complete control whenever it wants over the entire IN.Aegis allows the US to control any warship and any weapon system aboard from the US.The US wants to infiltrate all Indian designed critical weapon systems,so that it can neutralise them whenever it wants.India should erect a barrier between the US and the Indian armed forces,friendship upto a point.The US's continuing support military and economic for Pak,plus wanting India to "hand over" part of J&K to the terrorists and foget all baout P{ak's terror attacks,shows how dishonourable US "friendship" is.

Why so much of paranoia about US phillips sir,what technology do you think they will steal from IN,they are leaps ahead of us,what interest will drive US to neutralize our Weapon systems?.remember they sold these weapon systems to many countries,if US tries to stop india from using any weapon system we buy from them,then it will take the relations back to stone age,i dont think US can afford to do that,they have their stakes in us to counter China and the Global terror roots in our neighborhood,Indo US relation are a necessity no more a luxury for both sides

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 24 Apr 2009 16:32

why do we need ageis anyways ? while DRDO itself is developing one based on PDV & AAD

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 24 Apr 2009 16:52

jaladipc wrote:why do we need ageis anyways ? while DRDO itself is developing one based on PDV & AAD

Aegis System is already a Proven ASAT system sir, with chinese already having the capability, better to have one with us,well that will happen only if there is considerable progress in Indo US relationship,many times more than the current one.nobody even thought of buying Nuke reactors from US 10 years ago but things changed now with betterment of relations.same can happen here.

Jay · Post by **Jay** » 24 Apr 2009 17:19

narayana wrote: Why so much of paranoia about US phillips sir,what technology do you think they will steal from IN,they are leaps ahead of us,what interest will drive US to neutralize our Weapon systems?.remember they sold these weapon systems to many countries,if US tries to stop india from using any weapon system we buy from them,then it will take the relations back to stone age,i dont think US can afford to do that,they have their stakes in us to counter China and the Global terror roots in our neighborhood,Indo US relation are a necessity no more a luxury for both sides

Why so much optimism about US narayan sir? Haven't you come across news about Unkil bugging weapon systems delivered to friends and foe alike and if that happens its not the Indo -US bhai-chaara that will go back to stone age but India, and can you please explain why US cant afford to loose our co-operation, thay lived/thrived/prospered with this status quo for the last 50 odd years. Believing that this relationship is a necessity for US is nothing but a silly wish. for India's POV it might be a different matter all togeather.

narayana · Post by **narayana** » 24 Apr 2009 18:10

Well i am No Fan of USA,but i dont want to be too anxious in the relationship,whether we like it or not they have the best Tech,and to have qualitative edge over china we need it,and about Indo-US relations,i see them Way Forward.

1.Nuke Deal
2.Silence on Kashmir
3.New AF-Pak Policy
4.Positive on Indian role in Afghanistan
5.Acceptance of India as Global Power

Why US needs India

1.Only Power in Asia that can counter China
2.Global reputation of india
3.Indias help is very crucial in War againsta terror in Af-pak

Dont expect US to give freebies to india,it will have their Interests attached,which is obvious,if it doesnt effect us than i think we should not have problem in accepting

And who is not Arm Twisting India these days

1.our All weather friend is sitting on Gorky and Akula after getting payments,non cooperation in signed contracts Jacked up Prices
2.Europe sells tech on both sides,of course US does but they are not going to sell to chinese
3.Same with France and even Brazil these days

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 24 Apr 2009 18:21

i don't know who is flirting with whom?

Roel · Post by **Roel** » 24 Apr 2009 19:10

Some pics I took on my last voyage.
Rakesh, I can send you the bigger version and I also have more detailed pics etc.

Magar LST entering port with three landing craft named Shark, Pike and Python. Is it a strange coinsidence? S(hark) being on Starboard side and P(ike) and P(ython) on Portside of the ship? Any ideas if they have the same policy on other ships of this class?

Cannanore Minehunter entering port. Again I have better pics, but these look pretty nice already. Had a sort of perfect perspective.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Apr 2009 19:23

A krish wrote:Lockheed Martin briefs Indian Navy on Aegis missile defence system

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/bus ... 83773.html

Howard also said the company was open to collaborating with India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on integrating its Prithvi Air Defence Shield (PADS) with the Aegis launcher and command and control system.
Interesting...........

This is standard practice and a backhanded compliment.

Systems do not go on sale until India develops comparable technology. When India does that a system is offered much cheaper to kill the India development.

Typical...

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 24 Apr 2009 19:40

Nitesh wrote:India pays $1.6 bn for warship, Russian wants more

Russian is asking India to pay far more that originally agreed for a refurbished Soviet-era aircraft carrier that is already a year overdue.
This only reflect their immatureity in capitalism, definitly not their intention to cheat us.
Can our new found amreeki friendship will provide the same package like refurbished war carrier +MiG-29+nuclear sub-marines on lease at the same cost.

The intial cost was very low for the same kind of deal due to underestimate and now they are makeing loss.No defence contrator can afford the losses
Russian always help us in needs, but they ca'nt afford the losses.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 24 Apr 2009 20:46

shiv wrote:
This is standard practice and a backhanded compliment.

Systems do not go on sale until India develops comparable technology. When India does that a system is offered much cheaper to kill the India development.

Typical...

Yes! I totally agree. The same thing is happening with ABM and PAC-3. Let's see how DRDO can counter by developing a similar system.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Apr 2009 21:22

Jamal K. Malik wrote:..............
This only reflect their immatureity in capitalism, definitly not their intention to cheat us. ..........

okay, here goes a preemptive attempt to stop the future cycle of comments, which would go like :

russia is cheating; no, russia is our friend; it is cheating; we need russia etc etc ad innitum.

therefore, DON'T. we are tired of this line of discussions. keep this thread to technical aspects only, take the international relations bit to the strat forum.
final advice, if you can't be sure, don't post in this thread.

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 24 Apr 2009 21:37

narayana wrote:
Philip wrote:The worst mistake India can do is to acquire the Aegis system,which will allow the US complete control whenever it wants over the entire IN.Aegis allows the US to control any warship and any weapon system aboard from the US.The US wants to infiltrate all Indian designed critical weapon systems,so that it can neutralise them whenever it wants.India should erect a barrier between the US and the Indian armed forces,friendship upto a point.The US's continuing support military and economic for Pak,plus wanting India to "hand over" part of J&K to the terrorists and foget all baout P{ak's terror attacks,shows how dishonourable US "friendship" is.

Why so much of paranoia about US phillips sir,what technology do you think they will steal from IN,they are leaps ahead of us,what interest will drive US to neutralize our Weapon systems?.remember they sold these weapon systems to many countries,if US tries to stop india from using any weapon system we buy from them,then it will take the relations back to stone age,i dont think US can afford to do that,they have their stakes in us to counter China and the Global terror roots in our neighborhood,Indo US relation are a necessity no more a luxury for both sides

Embedded Trojan Horses software that could play havoc among Indian network systems. Sort of like the Cylon virus program. USA will not reveal the source code. Without the source code, we have no way of verifying whether the code is safe for India to use.

John · Post by **John** » 24 Apr 2009 22:15

narayana wrote:
jaladipc wrote:why do we need ageis anyways ? while DRDO itself is developing one based on PDV & AAD

Aegis System is already a Proven ASAT system sir, with chinese already having the capability, better to have one with us,well that will happen only if there is considerable progress in Indo US relationship,many times more than the current one.nobody even thought of buying Nuke reactors from US 10 years ago but things changed now with betterment of relations.same can happen here.

Problem is IN does not have platform large enough for SPY-1 unless we fit in scaled down version like SPY-1D on Spanish F100s.

Also SM-2/ESSM AAW capability in saturation attacks is inferior to Samspson/Aster 30 combo because Aster is not limited by FCR (active guided vs semi active guided missiles) . However Aegis combined with SM-3 does give it BMD capability but i doubt US will sell that?

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 25 Apr 2009 00:37

Rahul M wrote:
Jamal K. Malik wrote:..............
This only reflect their immatureity in capitalism, definitly not their intention to cheat us. ..........
okay, here goes a preemptive attempt to stop the future cycle of comments, which would go like :

russia is cheating; no, russia is our friend; it is cheating; we need russia etc etc ad innitum.

therefore, DON'T. we are tired of this line of discussions. keep this thread to technical aspects only, take the international relations bit to the strat forum.
final advice, if you can't be sure, don't post in this thread.

Sir
you have stated the partial fact, by picking a line of statement.My intention was to tell that carrier,carrier based fighter MiG-29K and nuclear submarines have a cost more then 1.6 billion dollars w.r.t news.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Apr 2009 06:50

the new big dog in naval SAMs is the new SM-6 with a new amraam terminal stage. said to be capable of intercepting low flying targets at 150km.

but Barak-8 should be equally good albeit at lesser range. same for Aster30.

I am fairly confident the Barak8 + MFstar-mki + Signaal combo should be capable of
besting the Rif/HQ-"ukrainian/china aegis" combo.

jaladipc · Post by **jaladipc** » 25 Apr 2009 07:43

narayana wrote:
jaladipc wrote:why do we need ageis anyways ? while DRDO itself is developing one based on PDV & AAD

Aegis System is already a Proven ASAT system sir, with chinese already having the capability, better to have one with us,well that will happen only if there is considerable progress in Indo US relationship,many times more than the current one.nobody even thought of buying Nuke reactors from US 10 years ago but things changed now with betterment of relations.same can happen here.

this is the biggest mistake India is doing since it became a nation.Instead of getting the product well done in home we been looking for the same from outside either it could be a cost issue or time frame management or wotever( to just fill the babus phoreign buckets)......

If we would have gone around with Gnat and continued developing a 3rd gen fighter after that taking chances abt cost and time over runs, now we would have been kings in fighter production.Same goes with almost all other major defence products.Basically we people dont trust our products just becos it rolls out of the production line with "Made In India " name on it.If some one imports the same product from india and print a tag like "Made in US/Japan/UK,......."we go but it for more than the specified cost.and even it doesnt work we consider it as a manufacturing error.But if the same thing happens to Indo made one we right away attest it as a design error.Infact i am not point this to any single individual here,but i observed it and observing it most of the time.yindoos has to come out of the damn inferiority complex. I donno why i do observe this from people living in India and got fed up with a few situations onlee.....

Being honest and i dont even give a shit for my job: day before yesterday when i met few top most people from canadian nuclear corporation they were talking so great about India.And you guys know wot? they call the 74 bomb tests as small mistakes made by indian government to cover its asss from chinese instead of being called as blunders by US and english.They regret first of all for loosing the business and secondly for loosing the opportunity to work with INDIAN minds.and again they are thriving to kick start and glue our old bond.

For some reason its onleee the people inside the indian border are pushing the country further backwards while people outside say great about nation.
In my previous post some time back i specifically mentioned that India already started parallel development of its ship borne ABM system.now look here who is actually flirting? is it US or India? and this god damn reporter quoting and we people discussing the same. And another behind the screens dialogue is that US fed is going to cut the defense spending drastically in the coming years.So these so called companies who almost survive on US fed defense budget ,their life in the coming future is shabby.so they started opening the new markets to leverage their turnovers and square-off their revenues.
More over the hard line is that we dont need them.It is them who need good relationship with us.

and again the bottom line is that each and every ABM has its own nature.If MOD himself rejects the PAC becos it was developed based on US nation security threats,then how come an ageis gonna cope with India specific threats? we are not buying the system for just shooting down the sats. arent we?
and look at the security threat levels of US and India. almost all the US enemies over world possessing nukes/missiles will give atleast 30 min early warning ,but for india???????

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 25 Apr 2009 08:13

Roel,
Good pics, nice perspective

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 25 Apr 2009 11:36

A krish wrote:Lockheed Martin briefs Indian Navy on Aegis missile defence system

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/bus ... 83773.html

Howard also said the company was open to collaborating with India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) on integrating its Prithvi Air Defence Shield (PADS) with the Aegis launcher and command and control system.
Interesting...........

Yes. As soon as India develops a new system it is offered by the firangi. But they are all helped by the m@#$%^%@#s in defence and MOD who want to buy "white's" goods for kickbacks.

I think that even some DRDO people may be in this racket. Else how would firangis' (or any body else) know that a particular system has been developed and will now go on trials.

Let us THANK the MTCR to an extent. As soon as Prithvi appeared to be going in the right direction, Russia offered Isklander. And of course the IA went ga ga.

Unfortunately DRDO has produced a fair number of lemons which has pissed of IA and IAF

K

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Apr 2009 12:24

Absolutely correct.many years ago,when it was announced that the DRDO was about to perfect an engine for the Arjun,the Gernans suddenly offered us their engine which they had refused earlier.So Arjun now moves around with a German engine.In the case of the Aegis offer,Adm.Cebrowski,former USN CNS worked out the NCW doctrine ,where every asset through "cooperative engagement" could be called upon to prosecute a target.This requires complete surrender of all assets to a central command .IF the IN acquires AEGIS,then it will easily whether we like it or not,be possible for the US to "capture" any IN warship equipped with AEGIS.

The success that the DRDO has had with the indigenous ABM system,which has recently proven its capability,is what the US wants to steal.Their billions spent in ABM defence has been very patchy.The best success so far that they have had is with their modification of naval Standard SM-3 SAM missiles into an ABM system.However,this missile cannot cover both endo and exo-atmospheric targets adn most importantly CANNOT intercept an ICBM!

It is therefore every clear why the US is tempting us with the AEGIS carrot.As an earlier post quite correctly indicated,AEGIS is a large installation and does not suit the IN's warships.The US has sold AEGIS to its NATO allies like Spain and the Koreans,so that their warships can be integrated into the US's battleplans.In another post I've posted reports of massive Chinese hacking that caused a severe electrical shutdown in the US and Canada in 2003.If a fully networked naval system is operationalised,it will become very vulnerable to massive cyber attack from the Chinese.It is far better that a multi-cell system is used,where if one suffers cyber from attack,the others are isolated.This is the "Achillies Heel " of NCW.Once the cyber attack is successful,the entire system collapses.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 25 Apr 2009 13:42

How does someone hack into military systems?
I suppose that militaries all over the world have a single digit IQ to leave important computers connected to the WWW to simplify the task of the hacking junta. If I am a scientist in DRDO / some military lab I will do the weapons designing on the same computer on which I later surf the BENIS thread or see ***** on over the net?

AFAIK, mil computers which are part of a military network are physically seperated from all outside influences. Even the user computers don't have any data output / input sources. The servers are themselves protected zealously

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 25 Apr 2009 14:18

Here's a fine article by Dr.MIlan Vego writing in the Armed Forces Journal,a world authority on defence matters, on the illusion of NCW.

Excerpt:
The single biggest problem with the vision of the future war propounded by NCW advocates is their almost exclusive focus on information and new technological advances. There is no argument that information has played an important and often critical part in making decisions and ultimately winning wars. However, success in war is the product not only of what is called today “information dominance” but also of many other tangible and intangible factors. The human element, not technology, has been in the past and will remain in the future the key to one’s victories. The complexity of the mix of technology and human factors defies any attempt to quantify their relationships or predict outcomes.

http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/01/2392378/

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 25 Apr 2009 14:24

Philip wrote:Absolutely correct.many years ago,when it was announced that the DRDO was about to perfect an engine for the Arjun,the Gernans suddenly offered us their engine which they had refused earlier.So Arjun now moves around with a German engine.In the case of the Aegis offer,Adm.Cebrowski,former USN CNS worked out the NCW doctrine ,where every asset through "cooperative engagement" could be called upon to prosecute a target.This requires complete surrender of all assets to a central command .IF the IN acquires AEGIS,then it will easily whether we like it or not,be possible for the US to "capture" any IN warship equipped with AEGIS.

The success that the DRDO has had with the indigenous ABM system,which has recently proven its capability,is what the US wants to steal.Their billions spent in ABM defence has been very patchy.The best success so far that they have had is with their modification of naval Standard SM-3 SAM missiles into an ABM system.However,this missile cannot cover both endo and exo-atmospheric targets adn most importantly CANNOT intercept an ICBM!

It is therefore every clear why the US is tempting us with the AEGIS carrot.As an earlier post quite correctly indicated,AEGIS is a large installation and does not suit the IN's warships.The US has sold AEGIS to its NATO allies like Spain and the Koreans,so that their warships can be integrated into the US's battleplans.In another post I've posted reports of massive Chinese hacking that caused a severe electrical shutdown in the US and Canada in 2003.If a fully networked naval system is operationalised,it will become very vulnerable to massive cyber attack from the Chinese.It is far better that a multi-cell system is used,where if one suffers cyber from attack,the others are isolated.This is the "Achillies Heel " of NCW.Once the cyber attack is successful,the entire system collapses.

And also the fact that AEGIS doesn't mean we'll have ASAT capability. We'll not be getting SM-3 which I believe is a vital part of AEGIS because MTCR. It's better if we trust DRDO to develop a similar system based on PAD.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 26 Apr 2009 18:44

Indian Coast Guards Ready For Regional Rescue Mission

Boeing's P-8A Poseidon Makes First Flight

The US Navy’s first Boeing P-8A Poseidon aircraft T-1, completed a 3 hour 31 min maiden flight from Renton, Wash., on Apr 25., and later landed at Boeing Field. The second test aircraft T-2, is meanwhile being prepared for flight at Renton and is undergoing ground calibration and fuel system work according to Boeing sources.

Pictures from the first flight:

#1

#2

Another article on the P-8A

737’s lethal twin — Boeing's P-8A submarine hunter
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/ ... 00^1817467

But while the P8-A hull and wings look much the same as a commercial 737, they are radically different, featuring heavier skins and wing spars to bear more weight, and unique features including bomb bay doors in the aircraft’s aft end. About 75 percent of the P8-A airframe is unique, Feldmann said.

And finally,

Boeing P-8A - first flight video

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 27 Apr 2009 00:15

Not much change there in Severodvinsk, at least on the outside:
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/ ... GP0619.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g191/ ... GP0629.jpg

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Apr 2009 05:34

How does someone hack into military systems?

The normal point of entry is consultants - their laptop/accounts, etc. Armed forces have very good preventive measures, so it is not that easy to use normal hacking methods.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 27 Apr 2009 07:53

NRao wrote:
How does someone hack into military systems?
The normal point of entry is consultants - their laptop/accounts, etc. Armed forces have very good preventive measures, so it is not that easy to use normal hacking methods.

Their Servers IP addresses normally reside in class D IP range. Which is different from our home or office IP addresses. This makes them complete different entity from the world outside. Not sure about MoD but Pentagon must be practising this. But I would suspect if someone says its got full proof security. There is always one or the other way. Even major companies practise something called demiliterized zone (DMZ) in their networks making hacker feel they have cracked into something serious but still far from secret stuff..kind of honeytrap.

girish.r · Post by **girish.r** » 27 Apr 2009 13:32

JaiS wrote:Indian Coast Guards Ready For Regional Rescue Mission

Boeing's P-8A Poseidon Makes First Flight

The US Navy’s first Boeing P-8A Poseidon aircraft T-1, completed a 3 hour 31 min maiden flight from Renton, Wash., on Apr 25., and later landed at Boeing Field. The second test aircraft T-2, is meanwhile being prepared for flight at Renton and is undergoing ground calibration and fuel system work according to Boeing sources.

Pictures from the first flight:

#1

#2

Another article on the P-8A

737’s lethal twin — Boeing's P-8A submarine hunter
http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seattle/ ... 00^1817467

But while the P8-A hull and wings look much the same as a commercial 737, they are radically different, featuring heavier skins and wing spars to bear more weight, and unique features including bomb bay doors in the aircraft’s aft end. About 75 percent of the P8-A airframe is unique, Feldmann said.

And finally,

Boeing P-8A - first flight video

Thanks....

Also couple of more pics from AIRLINERS.net
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA%20-% ... id=1516715

and

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA%20-% ... id=1516473

Regards,
Girish