vsudhir wrote:Kindly look through k prasad's post.
He quotes the GTRE Director (as close to the Horse's mouth as you can get) as saying, unambiguously, that the GTRE developed kaveri has met the original design specs. Period.
There are many DDMs and phoren hands not interested in not muddling this simple picture.
Further, in subsequent posts, we learn that the kaveri:
1. will be integrated onto LCA to further knowledge and experience
2. the kaveri-integrated LCA will not be operationalized but tested for study purposes
3. The IAF has no objection to considering the present kaveri for the MCA to come.
Kindly do correct if I'm mistaken anywhere. TIA.
I'm not sure that Pt #3 was there anywhere... MCA wasn't really up for discussion anywhere at AI seminar. However, what I do remember is that he said that future Kaveri versions may be ready and can power any a/c developed in the future by us.
Kaveri IN PRESENT FORM is operationally dead, ie wont be put on a combat LCA. In that you are right. But the Kaveri-Eco is a different baby altogether (although i don't know where that will stand at present), and is (was??) meant to power the Mk.2 Tejas.
Prem Kumar wrote:Interesting possibility. A while ago, I remember the discussion in this thread about how the Snecma deal might not be so great after all - if they offer just the engine core but no transfer of design know-how. This could be IAF's way of forcing more concessions from Snecma if they "want in" on the project. Again, why the IAF should care or why GTRE is siding with Snecma - one doesnt know. But if the Rafale MRCA episode is anything to go by, we have learnt that its good to deliver a kick in the butt to the French every now and then to get them to shape up.
Highly possible - GTRE was counting heavily on the French for the SC and TBC tech and other allied tech. Given that being the critical part of the project, if the Frenchies refused/backtracked, I'm sure IAF would have had a good long look and decided to chuck it. However, as expected GTRE would be angry - knowing them, they'd have looked at any help as good at present. But that may be shortsighted thinking on their part in their present demoralised form.
But I'm sure IAF's opinion will say that anybody can come as consultant without issues, but if there is a JV, there have to be tangible benefits for us. Given that the Kabini core is pretty good, i guess IAFs opinion is that we can wait for a few more years and let GTRE develop the core well... however, this is a very chankian move by IAF, with heavy risks. If GTRE isn't able to get the SC tech up within a very short time (and GTRE dir clearly said that we dont have it), and if the TBC program we've following hits roadblocks, then the engine program will flag, and IAF will conveniently put the blame on GTRE, since the people who took this decision may no longer be there at that time. Even if all goes well, we are looking at a 5-7 year development timeline for the new Kaveri Mk2 engine. (Note: my designation, not official)
Katare wrote:Decoupling of LCA with Kaveri is critical for the success at this time.
Already decoupled since 2005-06, when the new changes came in, and GTRE, ADA and IAF slowly realized that the Kaveri Mk.1 wouldnt cut it at all. This was also around the same time that we saw a spurt of "Kaveri failing" and "LCA dead articles", all works of ignorant DDMs who couldn't sift the info clearly.
rajsunder wrote:here we are worried about single crystal technology where as the world has moved on to the next generation of technologies
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We are already hard at work on CMCs... don't need to be so dejected.