Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 13 Jul 2009 21:45

'We are afraid the Taliban will find us'

As the millions displaced by the fighting in north-west Pakistan begin their return, others face the prospect of never going home

Flight from the Taliban has been a bittersweet experience for Darsha Singh, a turbaned Sikh farmer sitting on the steps of an ancient, glittering shrine just outside Pakistan's North-West Frontier province.
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"The Taliban are still demanding the money," said Singh, a sprig of orange visible under his blue turban. "They recently rang me looking for the rest of the money. We are afraid they will find us, even here."

The jazia demand highlights how the Taliban onslaught has upended decades of inconspicuous social harmony between Pashtun tribesmen and religious minorities. An estimated 10,000 Sikhs live in the Frontier, where they have quietly thrived as traders, civil servants, doctors and farmers, often providing a middle-class backbone to poor societies.

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Others have since tried to copy him. Two weeks ago the leader of a small community in Battagram, in southern North West Frontier province, said the Taliban threatened to kidnap his neighbours if they failed to pay 6m rupees. "They told us to choose between jazia and Islam or face kidnapping and suicide attacks," Dr Oam Parkash told Dawn newspaper.

But in other areas, old ties prevailed over extremist ideology. The Taliban in Buner, which is home to a large Sikh community, did not demand payment, said Dr Soren Singh, a community leader. "They were mostly locals so we knew them personally. In fact they told us to come to them if we had any problems," he said.

Still, many feared they would be pushed out sooner or later. Bansri Lal, a shrine guardian from Mingora, recalled how the Afghan Taliban required non-Muslims to wear yellow clothes. "In Muslim governments they give three choices – leave the city, convert to Islam and fight with us, or pay the tax," he said.

The Sikhs from Swat and Buner plan to go home a week from now, provided the Pakistani government can assure their security. But for those from Orakzai, which is still in Taliban hands, it remains impossible.

And, like their Muslim neighbours, many wonder if life in the frontier will be the same again.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 13 Jul 2009 22:06

I have always wondered what the ultimate breakup of pakistan will look like. What it will not be is that one fine day Altaaf hussain will land in Karachi and declare Sindh an independent nation, or that the Balochs will declare independence.
I think there will be significant turmoil throughout pakistan, specifically punjab with ongoing armed revolts in all provinces that want to secede. The current scenario in pakistan seems to be the buildup to that ultimate breaking off of the provinces. This may require a few foreign powers to militarily intervene to keep the pak fauj engaged and to provide security to the liberating provinces.

For the future, the turmoil needs to generalize into pakistani punjab and parts of sindh specifically karachi. Then when the time is right...

Insahallah, the revolution shall come to pakistan punjab.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 13 Jul 2009 22:19

SSridhar wrote:India should recognize Taliban

It looks like the Taliban have picked up the art of begging and blackmailing with a gun pointed to their head. In effect what this gentleman is saying, is that recognize us (as a euphism for 'give us money') and we will not cause you trouble in afghanistan. The taliban don't give a $hit about any development / humanitarian work that foreigners do in their country, they just want money for their aiyashi.
Highway robbers at least don't pretend to be pious and pure.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 13 Jul 2009 22:38

About the french press reports about the Karachi attack on french naval workers, IOL says:

DCN did grease the hands of 2 types of decision makers, top PN admiral Mansoor Ul Haq and politicians Zardari.
Both had representatives for the contract, Zardari used a syrian and the admiral used an advocate called Amir Lodhi. They both received their share before their arrest by Sharif. Ul Haq was demoted.
There was politics between the Naval officers about share of money, and it had nothing to do with the DCN bribes.
There was an early warning to the attack in 2002.

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Is it public that the Qatari Secret service was behind the Karachi arrest of Ramzi Bin al SHibh?

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 13 Jul 2009 22:46

Zaid Hamid special. Here the lear-nerd zaman sahib talks about India's role in trying to bring down pakistan's nuclear program.

He begins by saying that 'Pakistan is a wahid nuclear power', then talks of MMS having said that Pakistan's nuclear weapons are already in the hands of the talibans, then he talks of the missing nuclear scientist in India.
His brilliant conclusion: Indians are using that missing scientist to create a 'dirty nuclear bomb' that will go off and will be pinned on pakistan.

Here is what I conclude:
1. Pakistan is only capable of a dirty nuclear bomb.
2. Pakistan's nuclear bomb (the 2 or 3 odd that they have) are either in the hands of the talibs or in the hands of pakjab terrorists.
3. A nuke bomb is probably waiting to go off either in pakistan (courtsey the talibs) or in India (courtsey the ISI and the Pakjab terrorists)
4. In the background of Hamid Gul's JDAM threat to bangalore, the ominous possibility is that, there is a serious risk of a JDAM attack on India, for which the pakistanis are creating an alibi.

Zaid hamid is an idiot, but he is an idiot who has a sprinkling of some inside knowledge, and he is the unofficial mouth piece of the pak fauj.

Coincide this with Pakistan's desperate attempts to engage in 'talks' with India these days, and the suspicion emerges that the pak fauj has given a green signal to a major terrorist attack.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 13 Jul 2009 22:54

Pakistan 'fatwa' on power thieves (BBC)

A power company [KESC] in Pakistan has obtained a decree - or fatwa - from 12 senior Islamic scholars, declaring the theft of electricity a sin.

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Jul 2009 23:02

A nuke bomb is probably waiting to go off either in pakistan (courtsey the talibs) or in India (courtsey the ISI and the Pakjab terrorists)

Are we still thinking these two are different entities? Their goals and enemies might be different at times, and they might have a few internal quibbles now and then, but all in all, they only know and propagate one way of living, and one way of making wealth, which is by looting others' hard earnings. They have been doing this since the 7th century, and there is little reason to believe they won't continue to do so. They are ONE.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 13 Jul 2009 23:04

Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan 'fatwa' on power thieves (BBC)

A power company [KESC] in Pakistan has obtained a decree - or fatwa - from 12 senior Islamic scholars, declaring the theft of electricity a sin.

just when you think they couldn't get any more absurd they prove you wrong !

jash_p · Post by **jash_p** » 13 Jul 2009 23:09

is not haram in Islam of producing electricity other than jins methods ?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jul 2009 23:10

Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan 'fatwa' on power thieves (BBC)
A power company [KESC] in Pakistan has obtained a decree - or fatwa - from 12 senior Islamic scholars, declaring the theft of electricity a sin.

Nanha luminaries in Madrassa seminaries needs for electricity are more urgent, so they will be provided electricity free of cost. This is to prevent more IED mubaraks from happening by accident in teaching classes.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 13 Jul 2009 23:13

Are all Hamids similar? Some people are left brained, others right brained, Hamids no brains?

This Hamid is a riot I must say. Entertainment value is rather high there.

Last time he looked towards India he saw Israeli F-16s practicing in Kashmir IIRC. Now he has them dropping dummy bombs, making dry runs. Time to go live I would say. Fly them F-16s right behind Clintons air craft, peel off as they approach Pakistan, .................................

I like that.

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 13 Jul 2009 23:19

archan wrote:Are we still thinking these two are different entities? Their goals and enemies might be different at times, and they might have a few internal quibbles now and then, but all in all, they only know and propagate one way of living, and one way of making wealth, which is by looting others' hard earnings. They have been doing this since the 7th century, and there is little reason to believe they won't continue to do so. They are ONE.

Of course you are right.

These guys are all 'ek hi thaali ke chattey battey'. But the fact is, if the pakis are going after a section of the talibs and leaving the other intact, this does indicate that there is a split.

If I may put on the proverbial conspiratorial red topi my self, I would say that Mumbai 26/11 was intended to be a big attack by the "Hyderabad-daccan" terrorists - who were supposedly indigenous to india - on Indian and western targets within India. It was probably intended to give this attack as wide a publicity as possible so that everyone believed that an Indian group was doing this.
Perhaps this was a precursor to a JDAM attack on India, which would be pinned on Hyderabad-daccan.

Hence the eagerness of the pakistanis to not let anyone be captured alive during 26/11. But, one ASI Umble gave up his life to foil all the best laid plans.

The significance of 26/11 lies much beyond an attack on hotels and public places by suicide squads, it extends to a possible JDAM attack on a major city anywhere in the world.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jul 2009 23:24

Pakistan’s Exports Decline for Eighth Straight Month by Khalid Qayum: Bloomberg
Mugambo Khush Hua!

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 13 Jul 2009 23:25

Whaat! Surely the IT exports are not affected?

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Jul 2009 23:38

>>admiral used an advocate called Amir Lodhi.

Aha.... this Lodhi crook is the brother of uber-rape Maleeha Lodhi, ex Pakamby to the US...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jul 2009 23:43

Shyamd, No. There was a lot of drama when that happened: a bldg with lot of bullet holes etc was shown to show TSP cooperation.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Jul 2009 00:23

shravan wrote: http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-13-voa10.cfm

Officials in Pakistan say at least nine people, including seven children, were killed in an explosion at the home of a Muslim cleric in eastern Punjab province.

http://www.onlinenews.com.pk/details.php?id=148436
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Round about 150 houses were dashed to ground due to the impact of the blast. Several persons said to be trapped under the rubble of the collapsed houses. The blast was very loud and it caused an eight feet deep and 40 ft wide crater at the ground.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 14 Jul 2009 01:10

archan wrote:
A nuke bomb is probably waiting to go off either in pakistan (courtsey the talibs) or in India (courtsey the ISI and the Pakjab terrorists)
Are we still thinking these two are different entities? Their goals and enemies might be different at times, and they might have a few internal quibbles now and then, but all in all, they only know and propagate one way of living, and one way of making wealth, which is by looting others' hard earnings. They have been doing this since the 7th century, and there is little reason to believe they won't continue to do so. They are ONE.

From the link that Sridhar posted earlier:

Why this selective war on terror?

There are already a minority of hardline nationalist Pakhtun who believe that the army and the Taliban terrorists are two sides of the same coin . They insist that those Pakhtun, like myself, who believe that the two can be separated live in fool’s paradise. They argue that the Pakhtun must strike a deal with the US across the border in Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban, and also so that they backing they get can be removed. Silence over the activities of Maulvi Nazir, Hafiz Gul Bahadur and Jalaluddin Haqqani is adding to the grievances of the Pakhtun against the establishment. Unlike Baitullah the three have not attacked the state and society in the wider Pakistan – but they have trapped the people of Waziristan in an anti-civilisation. Isn’t it the responsibility of the Pakistani Army to break the trap of the anti-civilisation?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Jul 2009 03:19

Analysis: Preserving Pakistan by Owen-Benett Jones: BBC Documentary Transcript

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 14 Jul 2009 03:28

More information on Mian Channu blast
The report below has 'Terror hits S Punjab' as its heading. However, if you read through the article, it appears more like an accident. I may be wrong. It is just possible that ISI has had a change of heart and is finishing off militant organizations!

Terror hits S Punjab
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Locals say the explosion occurred in the house of Riaz Kamboh, a cleric having links with militant organisations.
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Earlier, DPO Khanewal and other sources had said that Riaz {owner of the explosion-wrecked house} was member of a banned Sipha-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and participated in Afghan war for about 8 years.
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http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news- ... -S-Punjab/

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 14 Jul 2009 03:42

The Indian PM needs to work on his body language when meeting the pooki leadership. Look at Geela-Nahi. All bluster though he has nothing to show for it. It's tragic.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Jul 2009 04:07

This is an interesting paki video / Program called (Live with Talat). He goes to Swat and provides a live perspective and also meets with GOC dude in Swat (Maj. Gen. Sajjad Ghani), who says that the funding, planning etc to Taliban is provided by India (caution: disinformation)

Good views of all the tunnels etc and says that it might have easily taken 4-5 years of planning.

http://www.pkaffairs.com/playshow.asp?pageId=4442

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Jul 2009 04:54

Provide ‘solid grounds’ for detaining Saeed: Pak SC to Govt

r_subramanian · Post by **r_subramanian** » 14 Jul 2009 04:59

Own goal? (on Mian Channu blast)
The editorial below seems to confirm the suspicion that the blast was accidental

Own goal?
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In the terms of those who fight terrorism the world over, this is perhaps an 'own goal.' In the sporting world an 'own goal' occurs when a member of your own side puts the ball in your own net. Terrorists can score an 'own goal' by the premature or accidental explosion of a device. Sometimes these detonations are triggered by counter-terrorist operations and at other times they are caused by the careless moving of unstable explosives or the poor assembly of a device.
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=187880

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 14 Jul 2009 05:41

New means of proxy war: Pakistan has taken it to a psychological plane

komal · Post by **komal** » 14 Jul 2009 05:57

New means of proxy war: Pakistan has taken it to a psychological plane

Pakistan is veiwed as a beggar state who allows foreign powers to kill its citizens with impunity. It relies on PRC and KSA to dictate the fate of its political leaders. It's main cities are similiar to Beirut in the 1970s. I'm sure the Paki military is mainly concerned about getting their funds over to Dubai or Abu Dhabi.

But their ambassador appeared on CNN.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 14 Jul 2009 06:50

Gerard wrote:New means of proxy war: Pakistan has taken it to a psychological plane

A great deal of this Pakistani "success" is Indian silly/childish chai-biscut - a lack of willingness to tackle a problem in real-time out of laziness and irresponsibility.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Jul 2009 07:05

Gerard wrote:New means of proxy war: Pakistan has taken it to a psychological plane

Ho hum..

Wake up and smell the coffee Chidu.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Jul 2009 07:24

Taliban defeated in Swat, claims interior minister

this is a nice way to celebrate victory where there is none. Kind of like beat your wife and claim victory.

a) There were put there in the first place b) they were your own people c) they were deprieved of power, food, or any sort of livelyhood for 2 months d) you know everything about their capability after all they are your own e) a full fledged army goes to war with some rag tag bunch and now claims victory.

What kind of shameful idiots these must be?

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Jul 2009 07:38

Musharraf says country is in serious danger

'The country is in danger and if we get bogged down in minor and old issues, there will be problems,’ he said.

‘The issue is very serious. Everyone in the world is seeing the seriousness of the issue in Pakistan. Everyone is trying to chart a course of action,’ he added.

‘And we have to be clear that nobody should dictate any course of action to us. We have to find our own course of action and save this country and move it forward towards progress,’ he said.

{echandee is intact}

Musharraf said no conditions should be attached to the financial aid provided to Pakistan. ‘We should not be happy about just getting money. There is interest on it, we are not getting it for free,’ he said, referring to the $5 billion in aid pledged to Pakistan at a donors’ conference in Tokyo on Friday.

{WTF? What does it mean? This is the supari money that Pakistan has claim and hence no regrests and no strings to be accepted}

I wonder how the $hits like Musharraf, Mushahid Hussain, Sheikh Rashid still roam on streets and no taliban could ever touch them?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 08:30

Taliban attack check-post in Wana

An attack in Wana means, the attackers were from Maulvi Nazeer's group. This is the second such attack in recent days and it means that the Government efforts to win over Maulvi Nazeer have not worked.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 08:39

World Must Help Us, otherwise none will be safe: Zardari

President Zardari said that Pakistan expected the international community and the Friends of Pakistan forum to “help us in establishing peace, help us in fighting this cancer of militancy, otherwise the cancer will spread to other parts of world and no one will be safe”.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 14 Jul 2009 08:42

jamwal wrote:
Tilak wrote:X-Posted :
**Must watch **
Aunty Naseem gets a thorough a** whooping from Baloch Students and resorts to "taking commercial breaks", especially from them women..
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arun · Post by **arun** » 14 Jul 2009 09:32

r_subramanian wrote:Own goal? (on Mian Channu blast)
The editorial below seems to confirm the suspicion that the blast was accidental
Own goal?
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In the terms of those who fight terrorism the world over, this is perhaps an 'own goal.' In the sporting world an 'own goal' occurs when a member of your own side puts the ball in your own net. Terrorists can score an 'own goal' by the premature or accidental explosion of a device. Sometimes these detonations are triggered by counter-terrorist operations and at other times they are caused by the careless moving of unstable explosives or the poor assembly of a device.
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=187880

That’s one theory floating around in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

There is however another far more complex theory floating around as well

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Blasts engineered in Mian Channu to extend scope of US influence to South Punjab

Munnawar Hassan

KARACHI: Amir Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Pakistan Syed Munnawar Hassan has alleged bomb blasts have been engineered in Mian Channu to extend US influence scope to South Punjab.

"Explosions in Mian Channu have been engineered to extend scope of US influence to South Punjab. The job has been started in South Punjab, which could not be done in Swat. US officials have also said publicly Punjabi Jihadis could prove dangerous if they were not dealt with through military operation. Interior Minister A Rehman Malik had also said about 5000 to 7000 Punjabi Taliban were present there. Attempts are being made to launch military operation in Punjab under the pretext of this incident. If operation is initiated in South Punjab it will be against the spirit of patriotism. This will be a US bid to make Pakistan nuclear assets vulnerable", he warned while addressing a press conference here Monday in Idara Noor-e-Haq. …………......

Online

My own theory was that it was a case of testing of the below mentioned Dutch camera that went awry

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Port Grand set to be inaugurated on Aug 14

By: Waqar Hamza | Published: July 03, 2009

................ Talking to The Nation, the Director Operations Port Grand Limited, Shahrukh Khan, said that some 12 to 13,000 people were expected to visit this grand segment all over the Asia which had been built with Rs2 billion. “The most interesting thing is that it is designed with latest technology, which has been used in Holland.” For security measures we have installed a camera which can smoke any explosive material within the range of 500 meters and make the culprits paralysed through its rays for 30 minutes, thus it is easy to cop with the security issue there, he added. ..................

The Nation

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 14 Jul 2009 10:03

arun wrote:There is however another far more complex theory floating around as well :

More interesting than that is that Master Nazir won't certainly be alone. You can expect an expedited movement along the eventual show up of this capability which will engulf Pukjab. With that puki army and its agencies will have it thoroughly; basically it will dismantle.

If our folks hold our ground with no incidents within our borders, there is every reason to load up on the popcorn if you haven't already.

All these years pukis were shying away with terrorism as core issue; now they don't even have time and audience to cry out.

bart · Post by **bart** » 14 Jul 2009 10:30

Rahul Shukla wrote:Pakistan 'fatwa' on power thieves (BBC)

A power company [KESC] in Pakistan has obtained a decree - or fatwa - from 12 senior Islamic scholars, declaring the theft of electricity a sin.

So theft of items other than electricity is not necessarily a sin?

Most religions simply say that theft is wrong.

bart · Post by **bart** » 14 Jul 2009 10:37

anupmisra wrote:The Indian PM needs to work on his body language when meeting the pooki leadership. Look at Geela-Nahi. All bluster though he has nothing to show for it. It's tragic.

From my perspective Gilani looks like a large donkey staring with a stupid expression on his face, while MMS seems to be sizing him up chanakian style while trying to look like the harmless, humble SDRE.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2009 11:17

Do I detect a mischievous smile on the lips of MMS while Gilani is once again performing his famous hand manouevere ? Or is it the wishful thinking of an SDRE cowering in a dark place in a far away South Indian city ?

p_saggu · Post by **p_saggu** » 14 Jul 2009 11:25

MMS certainly looks like the archetypal slimy, cunning, covering in his galaband and dhoti, baniya, SDRE (In a good sort of a way - of course).

I know this type. Years of being a babu in GOI does this to you. You are totally unmindful of your appearance, yet politically astute like hell, completely one step ahead on the survival game. Babudom in GOI instills great chankiyan skills upon you.
All this is fully visible here.

The good thing about MMS as PM is that it is just a bunch of Babus discussing things as opposed to a dynastic PM and the babus. Plenty of chankiyan kootniti can openly be discussed with such an arrangement.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Jul 2009 11:28

geelani looks like a large turd is not passing out of his rear.

MMS looks very chankian actually - small, efficient, smiling...like a honey badger or mongoose sizing up its prey.

watch the end of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c81bcjyfn6U