I agree with rest of your post but I think this will not be the case. Have you ever seen a Russian firm under investigation for corruption? Why not? It will be the same with American firms.rohiths wrote:Then you will have some objections about corruption and an unending investigation and you will not have any plane in the end
I agree. To me, agreeing to US term and condition will reduce the chance of F-16/F-18. It might happen that in future India would not buy any sensitive weapons from US if their physical verification cause a threat to national security. This agreement was urgently need for P-8I and C-130J.3. MRCA contract might go to the F-18, I hope not hoping that the Typhoon will pull through. For some reason ppl on this board are convinced that sinces the EUMA that the F-18 is the clear winner. The EUMA needed to be signed so the P-8I and C-130J could be delivered. India needs the P-8I badly. I don't know about the TOT and manufacturing rights of A2G weapons, that would cost a lot of money and I don't know if India plans on buying enough for this idea to be feasible.
Develop = life cycle? Which country?For anyone the best condition would be to develop homegrown weapon system, there are unlimited benefits from it
I hope your leaders don't choose the F-16 its the second worst choice ahead of the Mig-35. Seriously Typhoon Rafale or Super Hornet pick one! They're the only logical choices, but knowing that its india it will probably be a competition between the Super Hornet or Rafale vs the Grippen/Mig-35. The other contender having no chance of winning. I would love to see final choice come down to Typhoon vs Rafale! That would be interesting to see who wins!I have a strong feeling that F-16 will win given the equating of Pakistan and India.
ONCE AGAIN government is fooling the people and the loksabha with silly statements .EUM means US inspectors will visit our bases period. No way you can take 200 odd F-18 to kolkata for end use verification and then return to ambala pune etc.The argument that the EUM signed does not mean that the US will have access to our "bases" etc.
:scratch-head:How on earth can an AESA radar and accompanying integral eqpt. be removed flown elsewhere,refitted without considerable loss of capability to the IAF
let them hail ,its going to be a delta wing aircraft.SanjibGhosh wrote:Not sure why they are so happy .... I don't see any chance for f16/f18 ....
Boeing, Lockheed hail US-India defence deal
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... xNZnBYiPLg
The F-18 is NOT a delta AD.let them hail ,its going to be a delta wing aircraft.
$1.75 Billion dollars? Not even a leaf on a peanut plant.So does the F22 decision make one of the majors at risk of being inthe a/c business?
The F-15 has been involved in a number of war scenarios. To begin with, Israeli F-15's have downed Mig fighters from the Egyptian and Syrian forces.Anthony Hines wrote:Given that both the F22 and F35 are made by LM, I see little impact IMHO, if any. Jobs in several states are at stake and hence the fight. Historically, F22 may be viewed as a logical successor to F15. Question is : How many times did the F15 fight in a real battle versus the number of times either F16 or F18 have seen combat. Ultimately, the number of F35s will be ramped up to more than compensate for losses sustained in the F22 order curtailment.
b_patel wrote:I hope that the F-15 can carry more ordinance than the Typhoon or Rafale! It is a larger aircraft! The Typhoon was never intended to be a bomb truck like the Super Hornet and the F-15 are. I was always surprised the US never fielded the F-15 for this competition. I know its a heavy class fighter but it would have boosted inida's A2G capabilities.
I was referencing the F-15E and later derivatives (F-15K, F-15SG etc) I believe that's what crisifaro was referencing aswell The F-15E is designed as a long range bomb truck and its damn good at it!!The F-15 was never designed as a bomb truck. It started off with a primary air superiority role and a secondary strike capability.
Why are we even discussing ze F-15 we have a very very capable bomb truck that can do deep penetration strikes while defending itself during ingress and egress and the last time I checked we ordered a whole 230 of these babies!
300 JF-17 hahaha with what money are they going to buy 300 of them? I doubt China would provide soft loans for that many planes. Also, in other forum posters are quick to say that the Snecma engine is an alternative to the Russian one but i doubt that the French engine would fit that easily. I imagine that there would be structural changes involved, which would delay that batch of the JF-17. Also some ppl talk about a Block 2 version of that plane with western avionics, missiles, Aesa (what Aesa would be offered, most likely some chinese one) , etc. but i think most people fail to realize that Pakistan lacks the facilities to test/integrate all of these items, no western company is stupid enough to let happen in china so it would have to be done in some European country (France, UK, Italy) which is going to be expensive$$. The fighter is nothing more than a cheap stop-gap measure.Pak launches the assembly of the JF-17 to fly by the year end.About a dozen have arrived from China so far.It hopes to buy 150-300 of the type which will replace all the older Chinese and Mirage variants in service.It is also looking for a European alternative (French Snecma M-53-P2) engine to replace the Russian Klimov RD -33 turbofan,one thinks this is because Russia might not deliver the goods later if requested by India,which would cripple the project.
But EADS is more likely to offer more TOT with their engine than the GE F414. They are also offering a TVC version of the engine if India desires it. They are doing the consultancy work on the LCA right now, so that might give them an edge, maybe! I think the engine choice for the LCA will put either the Typhoon or the SH as the front runner of the competition. Also with the Typhoon winning India would become a full partner in the Consortium and would have a say in future Tranche upgrades (weapons, engines, avionics etc). Plus like Dassault, EADS is desperate for this order; winning this competition might save the Eurofighter considering how many production cuts have been made.It seems to be the F18 if some people have their way and GE engines for the L C A .
The need for the SH for Australia was driven by the gap between the retirement of the F-111 and the arrival of the F-35.Philip wrote:1."Sorry Bob,No",said Air Marshal Mark Binskin to Bob Gower,Boeing's VP on buying more additonal F-18F SHs for the Oz air force.
'90sPhilip wrote:F-18F SH's,of that excellent vintage from the '70s!
The 230 number is ancient news and is only marginally different from the original plan.Philip wrote:2.The IAF is to double the SU-30MKI fleet by 2015
1. The Israeli radar was never planned for Gripen.Philip wrote:3.The US has banned the Israelis from selling their AESA radar for the Gripen!
That makes no sense. Why would the US block AESA to the Gripen but not the MiG-35?Philip wrote:This will also force the Israelis to now offer their AESA radar to the Russians for the MIG-35
Boeing can dream all they wantPhilip wrote:4.Boeing has unveiled its "6th-gen" concept to replace the F-18SH by 2025.
The F-18s will actually be before then.Philip wrote:So within another 15 years,the US will start retiring their F-18s.
Here's to hoping they remain paper competitions.Philip wrote:One looks forward to JF-17 vs LCA/MMRCA comparisons and contests in the future.
I don't think they can do it post sales. However Israel may be obligated to let US know that they are re-exporting US sub-components to another country. The sale itself could be stopped if US feels like it. They can also stop Israel from supplying further spares etc post sale.kit wrote:The American end user agreement involves components also ? not sure about this , but almost all israeli equipment do have American components .. does that mean even yehudi radars would be subject to american inspection ?
