Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - July 07, 2009

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 23 Aug 2009 17:02

^^^

WOW! If Dronacharya visits the pious, the in-laws die too!

Is this some form of sati?!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Aug 2009 17:56

Two killed, 8 injured in Peshawar suicide attack
August 23, 2009

PESHAWAR: Two persons killed and 8 others injured when a suicide bomber blew himself up in a house at Momin Town on Sunday, Edhi Welfare Trust sources said.

The sources said the suicide bomber first opened fire then blew himself up.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 23 Aug 2009 18:25

Eunuchs cricket team comfortably beat local club in Pakistan

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Aug 2009 20:15

21 mentions for India in a just under 1000 word article on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s image problems

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Our image problem

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 23 Aug 2009 20:24

^^^

Overall, an average Pakistani may be enjoying a slightly better living standard than an average Indian but that gets lost in the torrent of anti-Pakistan propaganda.

It is all H&D problem onlee .... otherwise things were always better in land of the pure.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Aug 2009 20:26

shravan wrote:Taliban kills Mehsud's family
23 Aug 2009, 1610 hrs IST

Pak Interior Minister Rehman Malik said that Pakistan Taliban Chief Baitullah Mehsud's relatives have been killed by the Taliban for allegedly spying on him. Pakistan media reports that 4 relatives of Mehsud, including his father-in-law were captured on Saturday and reportedly killed on Sunday (August 23).

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More confusion onree.

Pakis might have killed the family and blame the Pakiban for it. A retired Paki Amabssador was on NPR saying that TSP should increase infighting among the Pakiban to let them do the dirty work.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Aug 2009 22:26

Seven suspects along with suicide jackets arrested in Karachi
Sunday, August 23, 2009

KARACHI: Seven suspects associated with banned outfits and allegedly involved in attacks on former president Pervez Musharraf and prime minister Shaukat Aziz have been arrested from Baloch Colony area along with suicide jackets and explosives, DIG CID Saood Mirza said here on Sunday.
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Three suicide jackets and over 15 kilograms explosives, 4 kalashnikovs, 4 pistols and gas masks besides over 2 kg heroin and other items were recovered.

DIG CID Masood Mirza said one of the arrested identified as Shahzad alias Munna alias Pehlwan was involved in carrying out the attack on former president Pervez Musharraf and prime minister Shaukat Aziz. He said another accused Khalil Ahmed is the brother of Qasim Toori, arrested two years ago.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Aug 2009 22:33

ramana wrote: Pakis might have killed the family and blame the Pakiban for it. A retired Paki Amabssador was on NPR saying that TSP should increase infighting among the Pakiban to let them do the dirty work.

Is there a possibility of Mehsud being still alive ?

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 Aug 2009 22:41

Stable nuclear security order

Other mutual stabilising arrangements and CBMs that we have been offering to India to prevent a nuclear and ballistic arms race included mutual risk reduction measures (RRMs), non-induction of anti-ballistic missile and sea-launched ballistic missile systems, and the maintenance of nuclear deterrence at the minimum level. Pakistan has also been seeking a mutual and balanced reduction of conventional forces.

Washington's future engagement in this region must be aimed at promoting strategic balance rather than disturbing it. A stable nuclear security order is what we need in South Asia.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 Aug 2009 22:54

Who is unreasonable, Balochis or Govt?

According to the agreement a choice was given to the Princely States of undivided India either to join India, Pakistan or be Independent. Khan of Kalat chose to be independent. As a punishment for this decision, almost half of his State was forcefully plucked away from him, and a new State of Makran was carved out of it, with a Gichki Sardar elevated to a State Ruler.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Aug 2009 23:10

Pakistan Taliban commander vows Afghan fight
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Speaking Saturday — before aides to another Taliban commander said a second contender, Hakimullah Meshud, had been appointed the next chief — Rehman said Baitullah had given him full control over the network and that a new leader "would be chosen within five days."
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"We are with Afghan Taliban. We will keep on helping them until America and its allies are expelled," he said, adding this did not mean an end to attacks in Pakistan. "
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Like most other members of the Taliban network, he insisted Baitullah was alive but sick, hence the need for a new chief.

archan · Post by **archan** » 23 Aug 2009 23:22

Gerard wrote:Stable nuclear security order
Other mutual stabilising arrangements and CBMs that we have been offering to India to prevent a nuclear and ballistic arms race included mutual risk reduction measures (RRMs), non-induction of anti-ballistic missile and sea-launched ballistic missile systems, and the maintenance of nuclear deterrence at the minimum level. Pakistan has also been seeking a mutual and balanced reduction of conventional forces.
Washington's future engagement in this region must be aimed at promoting strategic balance rather than disturbing it. A stable nuclear security order is what we need in South Asia.

Pakis seem to think that the world revolves around them. India can use the same argument of arms race vis-a-vis China. Somehow pakis seem to delude themselves into thinking that all of India's military program is only targeted against them. While it may make them feel more important in this world, but it is still delusion.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Aug 2009 23:35

The Pakistanis also offered not to use time travel and teleportation.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Aug 2009 00:20

sanjaykumar wrote:The Pakistanis also offered not to use time travel and teleportation.

They are not keeping to the bargain not to use these technologies.

They are using time-travel to go back to the 7th century. They have also been using teleportation to terrorist infiltration into India.

Don't count on their promises.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Aug 2009 00:56

x-posted Baluchistan Thread

Official Link

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Aug 2009 01:03

^^^ Its coming, its coming!

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Aug 2009 01:07

Munna Ji,

Please double check it. I still can't believe it.
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Have they added after or before Sharm el-Sheikh Sellout...

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 24 Aug 2009 01:15

shravan wrote: I still can't believe it.
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Have they added after or before Sharm el-Sheikh Sellout...

I too checked it, its there!

I dont understand these things but maybe they wanted to differentiate between different citizens of Pak based on their place of residence (but then they can do it on a lot of other things like Pass etc and would have also added FATA etc). I am not really sure just a noob guess, though its unlikely.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Aug 2009 01:17

On that same USCIS site you can find
1. Junagadh - India
2. Diu - India
and I think
3. Hydrabad - India (or some iteration of the Nizam's kingdom)

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 24 Aug 2009 01:18

wtf is unkil upto

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Aug 2009 01:21

Kitto,

Most of the Paki Blogs have posted this today. So the question now is when did they add Baluchistan (Pakistan) and what importance does it have.

munna · Post by **munna** » 24 Aug 2009 01:27

Gagan wrote:On that same USCIS site you can find
1. Junagadh - India
2. Diu - India
and I think
3. Hydrabad - India (or some iteration of the Nizam's kingdom)

Unkil and Poodledom never wanted India united as a country so that is expected but why are they turning against their rentier boy?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Aug 2009 01:27

This is an old colonial remnant. These areas were not resolved until several years after independence.
My personal opinion is that the sarkari system in the US is taking its own sweet time.
Or that the rulers of these kingdoms cut some deal with massa and poodledom then for declaring independence from India / Pakistan.
Whatever the reason, these need to be rectified now.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Aug 2009 01:29

Gagan wrote:On that same USCIS site you can find
1. Junagadh - India
2. Diu - India
and I think
3. Hydrabad - India (or some iteration of the Nizam's kingdom)

You are correct. I did not check that before. But why have the Pakis posting this now....

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Aug 2009 01:31

But we can all call for Balochistan's status to be kept seperate from Pakistan. Too much effort for a few years more I say.

You can expect news articles in India regarding Junagadh, Diu, and Hydrabad Deccan in a few days.

bart · Post by **bart** » 24 Aug 2009 02:10

jamwal wrote:Eunuchs cricket team comfortably beat local club in Pakistan

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090822/926/[b]tsp[/b]-eunuchs-cricket-team-comfortably-bea.htm

How did you manage to get TSP in the URL?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Aug 2009 04:09

Hakimullah Mehsud - New Pakistani Taliban leader

Ruthless new Pakistan Taliban leader named

AP | Islamabad

The commander named by members of the Pakistani Taliban as its new leader is as ruthless as his predecessor, taking credit for several attacks, and could order more in the coming weeks to prove the terror network is still in business. While the appointment of 28-year-old Hakimullah Mehsud suggests the Taliban may be regrouping after the reported killing of its ex-chief Baitullah Mehsud in a CIA missile strike Aug. 5, questions remained Sunday as to whether the al-Qaida-allied group will be able to unite around him.

Also unclear is the direction the movement will take under new leadership. Baitullah was known for ordering suicide strikes against Pakistani civilian, government and security targets, often in spectacular fashion in major cities far from border areas. Hakimullah may decide to direct some or all of his forces across the border in Afghanistan like other jihadi commanders in the northwest, joining insurgents there in the fight against U.S. and NATO forces as they try to stabilize the country eight years after the invasion.

Two close aides to another commander, Maulvi Faqir Mohammad, told The Associated Press on Saturday a 42-member Taliban council, or shura, had appointed Hakimullah their new leader in an unanimous decision. Like other members of the network, he insisted Baitullah was alive but sick, hence the need for a new chief. U.S. and Pakistani officials are almost certain he is dead. "Now all these talks of differences should end," said one of the aides, Bakht Zada. "There have not been any differences ever." Mohammd Amir Rana, an expert on Pakistani militant groups, said he believed the Taliban had not agreed on a replacement, regardless of Mohammad's aides' remarks.

"Maulvi Faqir Mohammad is trying to manipulate the race by announcing to the press that Hakimullah is the head," he said. "Until now there is no consensus," adding supporters of his major rival, Waliur Rehman, did not accept Hakimullah.

Hakimullah comes from the same tribe as Baitullah and had been seen as a likely replacement.Earlier this month, Pakistani intelligence agencies claimed Hakimullah had been killed in a shootout between rival factions over who should take over a movement that controls large swaths of territory close to the Afghan border, up to 25,000 men and much arms and cash. Hakimullah called The Associated Press and other news agencies after that battle was alleged to have occurred.

His apparent selection as head could shore up the Taliban, said Kamran Bokhari, director of Middle East analysis for Stratfor, a global intelligence company.

"It's an attempt to stabilize the group after the initial reports of infighting," Bokhari said, noting the loss of Baitullah was "a massive blow to the organization."

As military chief of Baitullah's Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, or Pakistani Taliban Movement, Hakimullah commanded three tribal regions and had a reputation as Baitullah's most ruthless deputy. He first appeared in public to journalists in November 2008, when he offered to take reporters on a ride in a U.S. Humvee taken from a supply truck heading to Afghanistan.

Authorities say he was behind threats to foreign embassies in Islamabad, and there was a 10 million rupee ($120,000) bounty on his head. Hakimullah claimed responsibility for the June 9 bombing of the Pearl Continental hotel in the northwestern city of Peshawar, and the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore earlier this year.

Since Aug. 5, Pakistani officials have been eager to portray the Taliban as in disarray, saying commanders and the rank-and-file were fighting among themselves. At one point, Mohammad _ who comes from a different part of the tribal region _ claimed to have taken over the leadership.

While it is unclear whether he will be able to maintain unity, Hakimullah was likely chosen for his operational capabilities, said Bokhari, adding that new suicide bombings could be expected. More attacks would demonstrate the Pakistani Taliban is still intact, he said.

"I think that the decision of the shura to appoint this particular individual is based on that consideration," he said. Interior Minister Rehman Malik said the Government had received intelligence reports about Hakimullah's appointment "as the chief terrorist" but there was no official confirmation. Another close Mohammad aide, Sher Zamin, also confirmed that Hakimullah had been elected as the new Taliban chief.

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 24 Aug 2009 05:29

Gagan wrote:On that same USCIS site you can find
1. Junagadh - India
2. Diu - India
and I think
3. Hydrabad - India (or some iteration of the Nizam's kingdom)

I know for fact that if you are "oppressed" Muslim from a non-Muslim majority country it is easier to get assylum in the USA. The state department has a convaluted way of determining who is oppressed and who is the oppresser.

A tons and container loads of Pakis in the late 40s and 50s made it to the US and Canada by claiming to be oppressed Muslims from India. This entreprised has been carried over till today. You can see tons of B-deshis claiming to be oppressed Muslims from India getting or attempting to get in the same way. Especially after the Godhara violence. There are a whole bunch of Paki/B-deshi descent immigration lawyers specializing in such cases. These lawyers know which immigration officer and which immigration judge is sympathetic to the Muslims and try to have these sympathetic persons to handle their cases.

Some of these officers are no small fish. I heard one to be a regional director of immigration. He was said to be very pro-Arabic and helped many Arabs make it to the US. A few years back he did a diplomatic stint in Belgium and according to "rumors" quite a handful of Albanians, Bosnian Muslims and Chechens got onto the "Arab" bandwagon and made it to the states.

All in all you have to admire the Umah-hood in building networks.
Avram

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2009 06:25

bart wrote:
jamwal wrote:Eunuchs cricket team comfortably beat local club in Pakistan

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090822/926/[b]tsp[/b]-eunuchs-cricket-team-comfortably-bea.htm

How did you manage to get TSP in the URL?

It is not you, it is there in the original. Check this page in yahoo

James B · Post by **James B** » 24 Aug 2009 06:39

WKK Anguish of Kuldip Nayyar

I have returned from the Wagah-Amritsar border disheartened, not because there is no lessening of martial posture of soldiers at the sunset parade, but because of a new monstrosity that has come up there. The Pakistani authorities have put up 10 reliefs, projecting figures in carving on boards to show how Hindus and Sikhs had killed and looted Muslims during partition. The reliefs have been displayed in such a way that they are visible only from the Indian side. They cannot be seen from the Pakistan side because the back of the reliefs are just blank boards.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2009 06:51

8 ways India can hurt Pakistani economy

India stops export of livestock to Pakistan.
India must increase the duty on various items so that it becomes uneconomical for companies to import them from Pakistan.
Deny Pakistani aircraft the right to fly over Indian airspace and landing in India.
Grant no visas to Pakistani citizens, stop train and bus services.
India must destroy Dawood's local support base: Difficult, but doable!
India must snap cricketing ties with Pakistan, but play only World Cup matches.
We will choose the timing of talks and that surely is not now!
India must undertake short-term measures to utilise its entire share of waters under the 1960 Treaty.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 24 Aug 2009 07:22

bart wrote:
jamwal wrote:Eunuchs cricket team comfortably beat local club in Pakistan

http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090822/926/[b]tsp[/b]-eunuchs-cricket-team-comfortably-bea.htm

How did you manage to get TSP in the URL?

Even Yahoo follows BR, I guess!

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Aug 2009 07:45

8 ways India can hurt Pakistani economy
India must destroy Dawood's local support base: Difficult, but doable!

That part is simple onlee.
Saare political parties ke party leaders ko ulta taang kar peeto, Dawood's influence will decrease automatically. Our politicians down to the last political party are somehow involved in the money making jamboree that D bhai runs.
Whenever, something that appears simple does not happen in real life, it means that there are forces who don't want those simple looking things to happen.
D should be 6 gaz zameen ke neechey by now, but he's alive and kicking in Karachi, something is very very rotten.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Aug 2009 08:27

jamwal wrote:http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090822/926/tsp-eunuchs-cricket-team-comfortably-bea.htm

How did you manage to get TSP in the URL?

Even Yahoo follows BR, I guess!

This URL has to go into hall-of-fame of BR. Unbelievable.!!! WoW moment.!!!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2009 09:23

Muppalla wrote:This URL has to go into hall-of-fame of BR. Unbelievable.!!! WoW moment.!!!

Thanks to jamwal for posting it and bart for the keen eye to spot it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2009 10:14

I am re-posting Jinnah's interview Ms. Margaret Bourke-White of LIFE magazine immediately after the Partition, taken from here

"We never expected to get it so soon," Miss Fatima said when I called. "We never expected to get it in our lifetimes."

"Oh, it's not just the largest Islamic nation. Pakistan is the fifth-largest nation in the world!"

"Of course it will be a democratic constitution; Islam is a democratic religion."

"Democracy is not just a new thing we are learning," said Jinnah. "It is in our blood. We have always had our system of zakat -- our obligation to the poor.Our Islamic ideas have been based on democracy and social justice since the thirteenth century."

"the soil is perfectly fertile for democracy."

"America needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs America," was Jinnah's reply. "Pakistan is the pivot of the world, as we are placed" -- he revolved his long forefinger in bony circles -- "the frontier on which the future position of the world revolves." He leaned toward me, dropping his voice to a confidential note. "Russia," confided Mr. Jinnah, "is not so very far away."

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Aug 2009 10:14

I have returned from the Wagah-Amritsar border disheartened, not because there is no lessening of martial posture of soldiers at the sunset parade, but because of a new monstrosity that has come up there. The Pakistani authorities have put up 10 reliefs, projecting figures in carving on boards to show how Hindus and Sikhs had killed and looted Muslims during partition. The reliefs have been displayed in such a way that they are visible only from the Indian side. They cannot be seen from the Pakistan side because the back of the reliefs are just blank boards.

The WKK deserves it...

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 24 Aug 2009 11:07

jamwal wrote: Even Yahoo follows BR, I guess!

All the links on the page has tsp
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090822/772/tsp-highlights-flintoff-departs-for-22-i.html
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090822/928/tsp-ganguly-to-head-cab-s-cricket-develo.html

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Aug 2009 11:22

kenop wrote:
jamwal wrote: Even Yahoo follows BR, I guess!
All the links on the page has tsp
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090822/772/tsp-highlights-flintoff-departs-for-22-i.html
http://in.news.yahoo.com/43/20090822/928/tsp-ganguly-to-head-cab-s-cricket-develo.html

I think BR can take justifiable pride in popularizing the fact that Pakistan is a terrorist state.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 24 Aug 2009 11:35

SSridhar wrote:I am re-posting Jinnah's interview Ms. Margaret Bourke-White of LIFE magazine immediately after the Partition, taken from here

Sridhar Sir,

You missed one important quote from the article.

Did you notice how Jinnah prepared TSP for a career in begging right from the beginning in that article.
Look at how he answers a question regarding development of Pakistan.

What plans did he have for the industrial development of the country? Did he hope to enlist technical or financial assistance from America?

"America needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs America," was Jinnah's reply. "Pakistan is the pivot of the world, as we are placed" -- he revolved his long forefinger in bony circles -- "the frontier on which the future position of the world revolves." He leaned toward me, dropping his voice to a confidential note. "Russia," confided Mr. Jinnah, "is not so very far away.

This mentality has been ingrained. And being menace central, they have made sure that theycontinue to be menace central to eke out a living.

In the weeks to come I was to hear the Quaid-i-Azam's thesis echoed by government officials throughout Pakistan. "Surely America will build up our army," they would say to me. "Surely America will give us loans to keep Russia from walking in." But when I asked whether there were any signs of Russian infiltration, they would reply almost sadly, as though sorry not to be able to make more of the argument. "No, Russia has shown no signs of being interested in Pakistan."

60 years of begging. They surely have mastered the art!