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Guys check the pic in second link.Do we have similar thing in our inventory or we planning about buyting X59MK2 :

http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/513/539/
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kit -> I think the no of Harrier is in the range of about 14, I think the upgrade was signed for 16 aircraft which were then in service and since then 2 have crashed, Still they are very inadequate for an aircraft carrier so better to arm it with missiles
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re: brahmos on viraat
vivek raghuvanshi and defense news is not a very reliable combination.
I'll wait for confirmation from other sources before taking it as gospel.

krishna, I think we already operate the kh-59 with the mki.
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Kashtan on Viraat is he confusing it with Gorshkov which is supposed to have Kashtan and Brahmos?
The ship's Russian-made Kashtan air defense system was sent to Russia for repair.
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And what value will Brahmos add on a about to be de-commissioned ship?
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Saw a humongous piece of equipment being transported by a special vehicle at night. The tractor was a Volvo, with a largish cabin and a trailer on which this equipment was. The equipment was covered with a tarp which had the name of MAN Pielstick on it. It bypassed the octroi post, when I saw another vehicle which looked like a Tata 4x4 in front of it. (Could not ID so well as I was on a parallel diverging road.

Do you think this has something to do with Naval diesels?
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nikhil_p wrote:Saw a humongous piece of equipment being transported by a special vehicle at night. The tractor was a Volvo, with a largish cabin and a trailer on which this equipment was. The equipment was covered with a tarp which had the name of MAN Pielstick on it. It bypassed the octroi post, when I saw another vehicle which looked like a Tata 4x4 in front of it. (Could not ID so well as I was on a parallel diverging road.

Do you think this has something to do with Naval diesels?
According to my ally google
Pielstick is a French diesel engine manufacturer
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India plans naval base on Maldives to contain Chinese influence (Telegraph UK)
Officials are now in talks with their counterparts in the Maldives to boost security for the tiny island, which has been targeted by drug smugglers, terrorists and pirates, and also to develop a new vantage point to protect its own coastal waters. Under the plan, India wants to develop a former Royal Air Force base on the islands, and integrate the Maldives into its own coastguard system.
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Folks Have started the manufacture of Light Weight Torpedos? BDL was supposed to have delivered them for testing in 2006
TIA
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John Snow wrote:Folks Have started the manufacture of Light Weight Torpedos? BDL was supposed to have delivered them for testing in 2006
TIA

ALWT (Advanced light weight torpedo) development & testing is complete..

Can operate 500m underwater, max speed of 35-40knots...

25LSP on order by the Indian Navy. (which means the BDL lines will be kept running, but the full production has not been setup, yet)
there are also 1 or 2 export "enquiries" !!!
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Apologies if this has been discussed/ clarified before. Apologies also if it is silly.

I was checking out the links posted by Kakarat ji.

Below pic caught my eye http://pilot.strizhi.info/wp-content/up ... 891_sm.jpg

Is that TVC judging from the slight downward droop of the rear end of nozzle?

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Thanks Rakall. What about the Takshak heavyweight torpedo? Isnt that supposed to be in testing as well?

Also, any chance of the ALWT being mated with the P8i platform?
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heavyweight torp varunastra is in a production run of 100 to be delivered by 2009 end.
thermal torp takshak is in the works.
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It is power plant for a frigate and or submarine.

http://www.pielstick.com/navy/products.htm
look here
this is the company in France but owned by MAN germany.

Notice the diesel engines and gen sets, the very same power pack goes into PLAN Frigates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate
Kiroskar also has collobration agreement with this company KOEL.
One ship GRSE is now sitting idle as it is having transmission problems, transmission is not from this company IIANW.
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KiranM wrote: Is that TVC judging from the slight downward droop of the rear end of nozzle?
Its not , the aft of nozzle expand and contracts to some extent , look at the nozzle of Mig-29 nozzle
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Austin wrote:
KiranM wrote: Is that TVC judging from the slight downward droop of the rear end of nozzle?
Its not , the aft of nozzle expand and contracts to some extent , look at the nozzle of Mig-29 nozzle
Thanks for the clarification. I did know that the nozzles expand and contract but assumed wrong that when the bird sleeps they strut out straight and not droop.
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An Indian Naval fighter aircraft crashed off the Goa [ Images ] coast on Friday, killing the pilot.

"The Indian naval 'Sea Harrier' aircraft, which was on a routine exercise mission, crashed at about 1157 hours," a naval spokesman said.

The single-seater aircraft crashed in the Arabian sea 15 miles away from the shore.

"Lieutenant Commander Saurav Saxena, the pilot of the aircraft lost his life in the incident," the spokesman added.
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Source Rediff.
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A Tragic loss.One grieves for the family and comrades.It also reduces our SH fleet even further.The need for twin-engined aircraft especially at sea in our context,even for the MMRCA should be a priority.
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krishnan wrote:
An Indian Naval fighter aircraft crashed off the Goa [ Images ] coast on Friday, killing the pilot.

"The Indian naval 'Sea Harrier' aircraft, which was on a routine exercise mission, crashed at about 1157 hours," a naval spokesman said.

The single-seater aircraft crashed in the Arabian sea 15 miles away from the shore.

"Lieutenant Commander Saurav Saxena, the pilot of the aircraft lost his life in the incident," the spokesman added.
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Source Rediff.
R.I.P ! :( :( :( :( :(
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Bad News , RIP brave soldier :(
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RIP Lieutenant Commander Saurav Saxena! :(

Our condolences and prayers to the family of the late Lt. Cmdr Saxena.
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RIP Lieutenant Commander Saurav Saxena

Will the Planners take notice NOW? or will we wait till we lose some more bravehearts. The Offensive Air power of the Navy has taken a severe beating already. What more do we want?
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May the divine bless his soul and his family. Jai Hind.
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nikhil_p wrote:RIP Lieutenant Commander Saurav Saxena

Will the Planners take notice NOW? or will we wait till we lose some more bravehearts. The Offensive Air power of the Navy has taken a severe beating already. What more do we want?
What do you wish the planner's would do?
The Sea Harriers were upgraded recently. Lets wait for the reason for the crash to be ascertained before starting the :((

R.I.P Lt. Commander Saxena.
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The reasons for crash could vary. The fact is the airframes are old. Moreover at sea, the sheer forces of Nature are against the airframe life. Moreover the Harrier defies the basics of aerodynamics and are high maint aircraft.
The current upgrade involves putting in a new radar and making them derby compatible. This will make them more effective. We are due to retire these aircraft in the 2012-2014 range. To get a good offensive capability we need a lot more than the Mig-29K's on order.
Once again keeping with the current emotion, will not say more.
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INS Chakra :: K-152 Nerpa

Powerplant:
  • 190 MW OK-650M Pressurised Water Nuclear Reactor
  • 2 auxiliary electric engines (410 HP each)
  • 2 auxiliary diesel engines (750 HP each)
Characteristics:
  • Speed - surface: 20 knots, submerged: 35 knots
  • Depth - test depth: 480 m, crush depth: 600 m
  • Endurance: 100 days
  • Displacement - surfaced: 8,140 tons, submerged: 12,770 tons
  • Dimensions: 110 x 14 x 9 m
  • Crew: 73 (31 officers)
  • Steam turbine: 43,000 hp
Timeline:
  • Project started: July 1976 (Indira Gandhi era)
  • First stage sea trials completed: July 2009
  • 10 year lease to India: End of 2009
Armaments:
  • 4 x 533 mm torpedo tubes
  • 4 x 650 mm torpedo tubes
  • Storage space for upto 40 torpedos / mines / missiles
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The Chakra is a wonderful platform. The load of 40 torpedos/missiles that it carries is more than what a delhi class DDG carries. (16 Urans and 5 toperdos)
To me it looks a little under equipped with a klub. It deserves a 2500Km Nirbhay / 500Km+ Brahmos, a few of them nuke tipped.
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The upgrades were done locally and with Israeli help.One wonders whether the SH was one of those few recen acquired from the RN,the two-seat trainer versions.These SH's had some engine problems due to some modifications made,which affected their perfromance.If we now have only 10 left,an attempt should be made to acquire some more from ex-RN stocks of SH's untimely retired for budgetary reasons.However,these will again have to be upgraded here.This tragic accident also brings into sharp focus how vital the Gorshkov acquisition is and the speed with which the carrier needs to be inducted into the IN.
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India To Install Radars in Maldives
.......Analysts said the move was part of India's efforts to counter growing Chinese influence in the region.

"If China is building a port in Hambantota, India outflanks the same by a strong presence in Male and so on. What could even be termed as a great game in the Indian Ocean will be seen in the years ahead," said defense analyst Rahul Bhonsle, a retired Army brigadier.......
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Hambantota might just end up as a port built by the chinese.
The lankans need both India and China to develop. But the lankans are shrewd enough to not allow a permanent chinese naval presence there. If relations detriorate, india can always get the lankans to evict the chinese from there.
But Gan and the ten degree channel in the A&N islands is right on the major transit route. I think IN's presence there is belated but a much needed step.
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Gagan wrote:The Chakra is a wonderful platform. The load of 40 torpedos/missiles that it carries is more than what a delhi class DDG carries. (16 Urans and 5 torpedos)...
Apologies if my post was redundant. I didn't find all the details on BR after a quick search. Either I didn't search long enough or this info needs to be introduced to the Submarine section of BR Navy.
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Has this been posted before?

http://en.beta.rian.ru/images/15566/12/155661213.jpg
Courtesy: RIANOVOSTI
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Nuclear breakthrough for the Indian navy?

http://www.e-ir.info/?p=1945
India can now consider deploying her own missile launch capability through stationing INS Arihant in the Bay of Bengal, or South China Sea. INS Arihant can help block potential Chinese incursion into the Indian Ocean through the key choke point in the east - the Strait of Malacca, guarded by India’s FENC Far Eastern Naval command at Port Blair on the Andaman Islands.
Nevertheless, if one compares India’s situation with that of twenty years ago, when it had a languishing sidelined and ageing navy; the Indian navy for the second decade of this twenty-first century presents a very different picture. Its strategic role has been recognised at the highest levels.[x] Rising budget allocations, indigenous production and foreign purchasing has transformed the Indian navy. It is now a fighting machine, experienced in wide ranging deployment throughout the Indian Ocean; and indeed beyond into the western Pacific and South China Sea in one direction, and into the eastern Mediterranean and southern Atlantic in another. This is a blue water navy, within which the new and growing nuclear submarine element represented by INS Arihant can nestle. China will be particularly following this development with interest, and a degree of concern.
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SL has never expressed a intent to lease out port facilities to PLAN base. the chinese are funding that port but doesnt mean SL will let them post naval ships there. Gwader is a different matter as Pak is 'owned' by PRC.
the port mgmt would probably be in chinese company hands and they will post a few spies there, but other than this wouldnt it be just any other managed port like dubai port trust manages several ports worldwide.
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This message is intended for Mr Mrityunjoy Mazumdar. I was editing few of the Wikipedia pages and I intend to use his pics and I would like to seek his permission before I use them. Mr Mazumdar if you read this kindly reply.

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Some more papers from David Scott. The same guy wrote the article on Arihant I posted earlier.

Would be good to get hold of the following papers. Looks like one has to pay in order to get access to the papers.

1) The Great Power 'Great Game' between India and China: 'The Logic of Geography'
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/conten ... order=page

2) India's “Extended Neighborhood” Concept: Power Projection for a Rising Power
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/conten ... a911727807

3) Strategic Imperatives of India as an Emerging Player in Pacific Asia
http://isq.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/44/2/123

4) India's 'Grand Strategy' for the Indian Ocean: Mahanian visions

The pdf is available for this one.

http://www.thescotties.pwp.blueyonder.c ... isions.pdf

5) Indian 'footprints' in the Indian Ocean: power projection for the 21st century, Indian Ocean Survey, 2.2, July-December 2006, 1-26
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Having helped fund the port devlopment at H'tota to such an extent,it would be extremely churlish of any SL govt. not to allow PLAN warships and subs to refuel at it.Logistic facilities cannot be denied to friendly nations.However,whether these facilities can be allowed when -for example,a spat is developing between India and China is the key question.If India had an earlier agreement with SL,signed during the JR-Rajiv accord,that the island's territory would not be allowed use of by a foreign power hostile to India during a crisis,and that SL would not allow any foreign power to launch military attacks against India from its soil,whatever the Chinese do at H'tota stands subservient to such an agreeement if it exists.If such facilities are abused by a power more powerful than the SL forces,then it would invite action by India to neutralise it.Remember that SL allowed Paki civilian aircraft to refuel during the '71 war at Colombo on their way to E.Pak.We never put any pressure upon the SL govt. of the day (Mrs.B's,of whom Mrs.G had such close personal ties with) to prevent such refuelling.However,it is most unlikely that we will see any GOSL in the future allowing the PLAN or other Chinese forces to use its facilities for offensive operations against india.It would simply invite attack!

From reports our deal with the Maldives is going to be different.Here we are going to negotiate reportedly the lease of probably Gan as a military base from the start.
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