Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 22 Sep 2009 23:41

Rare video of Taliban training men and kids in Pakistan
September 21, 2009

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 23 Sep 2009 01:58

sanjaykumar wrote:"If there's another Mumbai, what then," he asked and said, there is no way India can launch military strikes.

If we make up our minds, we can strike in other (non-military) ways...

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Sep 2009 02:13

I wonder sometimes, if the average BRFite is promoted to the chair of PM what will he do.

Surrounded there by variables that are unknown to us jingos, I don't believe any stable person will behave in a manner that is any different from what GoI is currently is doing.

We will never be able to verify what India has done to pakistan all these years, what is the extent of Indian involvement in Pakistan. We only have '71 to go by as a possible example, which as we can see can't exactly be applied to current day pakistan. So obviously if there is any indian involvement, it is in a different form and shape.

There now that I've gotten it off my chest, I can go off to being a Jingo.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 23 Sep 2009 03:34

EX-soldier arrested for spying for Pak

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 23 Sep 2009 05:13

I wonder sometimes, if the average BRFite is promoted to the chair of PM what will he do.

I don't know about the average BRFite, but if i was PM, and say a martian doctrine nuke killed a few ten thousand of my citizens. I'd destroy anyone espousing Martianism and it's associated doctrine. I'd kill the doctrine and flush it down a toilet bowl. I believe in the destruction of hateful doctrine. Not people that are obliged to follow that hatred. There is a difference. BR has to possibly focus there more looking at some recent posts. JMT.

hasmukh · Post by **hasmukh** » 23 Sep 2009 06:05

Anujan wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:"If there's another Mumbai, what then," he asked and said, there is no way India can launch military strikes.
If we make up our minds, we can strike in other (non-military) ways...

First , our politicians have to make up their minds which is like asking laloo to cut hair on his ear, secondly why not militarily combined with non militiary, pakistanis are evil beasts who will not rest till they demolish india for the sake of killing kaffirs,plus on top of that they have is vociferous fifth column in india whose liberals like to call themselves "south asian" rather than indians while orthodoxy plants bombs and hates depiction of shiva ji killing afzal khan. Thirdly the guts have to come from india's corporate class which funds these wimps which they will never get till few of their headquarters are targeted. Mumbai was big show becuase these "hindi paki bhai bhai" types elites were attacked and not some poor passengers on overcrowded trains. As for now all the world from Isreal to Austrakkklia is saying that next attacks are not very far and all indicators point to that . You have to be other worldly like "boston" brahmins that mis(rule) foreign affairs to believe that international migraine aka cancer can be cured without surgery . As for now we all are sitting ducks for the "my name is khan" types.

munna · Post by **munna** » 23 Sep 2009 06:16

Seeking attention of all posters to Indo-US thread where our Phoren Mantri in a statement to WSJ has openly urged US to vacate Fak-AP while in US and has questioned the legitimacy of US electoral process by equating Florida 2000 to Afghanistan 2009.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Sep 2009 07:09

munna wrote:Seeking attention of all posters to Indo-US thread where our Phoren Mantri in a statement to WSJ has openly urged US to vacate Fak-AP while in US and has questioned the legitimacy of US electoral process by equating Florida 2000 to Afghanistan 2009.

I noticed. Fun, no?

Some possibilities arise:
1. SMK's statement is ignored. Meaning attn and therefore notoriety needn't be given to this new munna-wannabe.
2. SMK's statement is challenged. Aha. Moment of truth onlee provided we don't blink and downhill ski with our typical

Its his personal opinion and doesn't reflect GoI policy:PM

3. It gets lampooned. Mockery is 1 step short of rage. We;ll know we have been impactful enough for 'em to go to some length to discredit us.
4. It gets serious attention. Meaning response is via actions not words. TSP getting ever more goodies. Maopests and EJs getting ever more funds. More Amnasty and yuman rites types dancing to a slumdawg theme etc.
5. Some combo of all of these given that unkil is a large diverse establishment and all.

Fun times are here again!

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 23 Sep 2009 07:47

Did nt Sri Ravi Rikhye at orbat quote a MEA babu a few days back about pindi channa in elections, did nt Sri K Subrahmanyam write about how we stand to gain if us quits fuk-ap? May be the policies have been formulated already.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Sep 2009 07:49

I think the yindoos are pissed at AQ Khan's letter going public, and the way massa brushed it off. There is going to be a lot of sulking and recrimination the yindoos are going to indulge in, but I have high hopes that this will be the extent to which the Sonia-MMS combine will dare to go.

Behind the scenes chai-biskoot with the Pakis never stopped, and probably resumed even as early as the morning of 27/11, with pronounciations of piss-loving-bhai-bhai-NFU being delivered by our side to assuage the huffing paks, who were clearly offended by the prospect of India planning to attack pakistan in the aftermath of 26/11 after kasab spilled the beans so soon.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 23 Sep 2009 08:34

TFTA BAKISTANI FAUJ !!!

From the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYxzOHS ... re=related

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 23 Sep 2009 08:50

I don't know about the average BRFite, but if i was PM, and say a martian doctrine nuke killed a few ten thousand of my citizens. I'd destroy anyone espousing Martianism and it's associated doctrine. I'd kill the doctrine and flush it down a toilet bowl. I believe in the destruction of hateful doctrine.

That is exactly the point.

I would go further and state that it is one's duty to intervene when fellow human beings have been ensnared in doctrinaire Martianism. To remain silent is to abet the dehumanisation.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Sep 2009 09:53

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/23/world ... ml?_r=1&hp

biden recommends reducing effort in afghanistan to focus on al-qaeda in pakistan.
guess they are preparing the ground to cut and run in af, while pak will provide
a few heads every month in exchange for arms and money.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Sep 2009 09:57

I recall wondering aloud why unkil was spending blood and treasure in Afg'n at all. Wasn't the Iraq fiasco enough, sorts.

As things steadily worsen on the domestic front, I will find the pressure to vacate this posturing going on in Afgn rise to a crescendo. For once, both TSP and yindia agree on not wanting unkil scouring the common backyard, seems like. Though TSP might as usual be in 2 minds coz its baksheesh depends on unkil's Afgn balls in its vice.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 23 Sep 2009 14:43

X-post from TSP's involvement in Global Terrorism thread.

Malayappan wrote:Article by Ayesha Siddiqa.

May not be news for BRFites, but a useful reference as a Pakistani Source.

Terror’s Training Ground
http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewsSep2009/ ... orysep.htm

A very fine article. It details how Talibanization is creeping up insidiously in South Punjab, which has always been the playground for terrorists. It also lies bare the lies that the Pakistani state proffers about the severance of its links with these jihadi terrorist organizations.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Sep 2009 17:59

Our fliendly neighborhood dictator is spreading pakistaniyat around the world.
Worldview: Kashmir deal could have eased task in Afghanistan

Some of the harsh choices Americans face on Afghanistan might have been avoided had secret efforts by Pakistan and India to end their dispute over Kashmir not been derailed in 2007.

When former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf visited Philadelphia this week, I asked him about the framework for a Kashmir peace that was worked out during his tenure, and whether it could be revived in the future. "We were close," he said in an interview yesterday. "I only wish the two governments would start again. The leaders need to be open-minded and bold."

Indeed, such a peace deal could undercut jihadi groups in the region; it would make Pakistan and Afghanistan more stable.

Jihadi groups linked with Kashmir then resurfaced and conducted the November 2008 terrorist outrage in Mumbai. India understandably rejects new peace talks until Pakistan cracks down convincingly on those jihadis. (Musharraf responds that the best way to undercut such groups would be to defuse the Kashmir issue.)

Pakistan's current president, Asif Ali Zardari, would like to resume Kashmir talks but may be too weak. Could we help? Musharraf said, "The United States has a role to play in pushing the process forward."

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Sep 2009 18:58

Muslim extremists in India, a matter of international concern: Musharraf

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 23 Sep 2009 19:11

AFP:US lawmakers to hear from Musharraf on Afghan strategy

WASHINGTON — Former Pakistan president Pervez Musharraf will meet privately with US lawmakers on September 29 to discuss the changing US strategy for fighting the war in Afghanistan, according to an email obtained by AFP Wednesday.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 23 Sep 2009 19:20

Deliberate attempts by the khan media keeping Musharuff (rhymes with Dandruff) in the limelight.

As a backup perhaps. Or as frontrunner now that the Afgn polls are done and izloo needs a TSPA hand?

Either way Musha-rough, likely privy to TSP's dirty nook secrets will be feted around the world wherever he goes, even, sadly in Yindia.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 23 Sep 2009 20:09

What else do you expect? I do not see any of the Ex-pm (advani, Vajpayee, Gujral, etc) or anybody from India going around espousing their cause? India is doomed because of its politicians and Bollywood elites who are great only in fantasy world.

I see way way way more Pakistanis on CNN, CBS, Fox or NBC than any of the Indians (apart from daily Dr. Gupta)., telling the world about their side.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Sep 2009 21:13

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 013435.cms

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Sep 2009 22:52

SSridhar wrote:Terror’s Training Ground
http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewsSep2009/ ... orysep.htm

A very fine article. It details how Talibanization is creeping up insidiously in South Punjab, which has always been the playground for terrorists. It also lies bare the lies that the Pakistani state proffers about the severance of its links with these jihadi terrorist organizations.

Good going. Once entire Pakistan is talibanized, India can have its black and white world. And janta can decide whether they want to wake-up or continue snoozing.

Four major militant outfits, the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP), Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) and Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT), are all comfortably ensconced in South Punjab (see article “Brothers in Arms”). Sources claim that there are about 5,000 to 9,000 youth from South Punjab fighting in Afghanistan and Waziristan. A renowned Pakistani researcher, Hassan Abbas cites a figure of 2,000 youth engaged in Waziristan.

That is just 0.0001% of Punjabi youth in Pakistan. Not even developed-world's rate of unemployment can cover these say 10-15000 youth. Then what is driving these young lads to say

“We can tell you without closing our eyes that we don’t see anything.”

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 23 Sep 2009 22:53

shravan wrote:Muslim extremists in India, a matter of international concern: Musharraf

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 23 Sep 2009 23:00

Well mush and AQ khan were born in India. These guys are a threat alright.

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 24 Sep 2009 07:35

shravan wrote:Muslim extremists in India, a matter of international concern: Musharraf

Thank Allah, he's back! We missed him so much at the cave complex. Soon its gonna be hectic and busy all over again. No furlough or layoff for this abdul here.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 24 Sep 2009 07:42

US general blames ISI for rising insurgency

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Sep 2009 08:55

BajKhedawal wrote:
shravan wrote:Muslim extremists in India, a matter of international concern: Musharraf
Thank Allah, he's back! We missed him so much at the cave complex. Soon its gonna be hectic and busy all over again. No furlough or layoff for this abdul here.

Mushy's love for lamppost swing has brought him back . Like old time Nawabs, he Must have missed daily Gubo sessions.

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Sep 2009 12:16

So, all the "predictions" of impending breakup of Pak within BR over last few months are well and truely washed away? The TTP has been subdued and PA is back at the helm.

The Pakis manage to again turn the situation towards their favour and massive aid is incoming with talks of more role to Pak in A'tan... as usual, the biggest looser will be the usual suspect (due to its passiveness), India.

Amazing how the Pakis manage to turn the corer every time they look down and out (right from 47 till 9/11 till now). Bad days ahead for our dossier loving govt and citizens of Desh.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Sep 2009 13:31

^^^ Till we cry the WKK mantle of Stable Pakistan is great, Pakistan will always bounce back from the brink. It will print Indian currency, do Mumbai 26-11s, push in infiltrators, make Afghanistan a backyard for training mujahideen, pursue nuclear, chemical, biological weapons, encourage LeT, JuD, Dawoods and in other words push/ prod/ cajole and scream towards Islamizing India and proving they are the true rulers of indic civilization. The state as a single holistic whole is meant ONLY to destroy India. It has no other purpose. So the polity will always come to restore the state to maintain capability to destroy India or to try and achieve that. So the bad taliban were playing havoc with the states capability to survive and destroy India is what motivated them to take this action. The selectivity though is clear. There is not will to destroy islamism. Only those who don't want PA writ are selectively destroyed.

For starters India has to officially get over the 'stable' Pakistan thing. If we know they make FICN we should openly print the Baluchi Rupee with the good Nawabs picture in the Rs 500 Baluchi note and give value to it. Also there must be some noises on the fact that B'stan declared independence and it's accession to pakistan little doubtful for India to gloss over. Nevertheless, India welcomes a choice for self determinination in the disputed territory of baluchistan. Did'nt Pakistan internationalize the B'stan dispute at the SeS? We find our friends in Iran too may have a little stake in B'stan.

Time for the GOI to wake up and give real politik a fillip on the negotiating and diplomatic table. Else these nuisance makers will always make an internal part of India disputed. Best is to make parts within their territory disputed, till they're actually detached.

India has a much better case of making Tibet, B'Stan, Kailash and Mansarover disputed than these scamsters wanting to talk on India's legacy over it's internal parts.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Sep 2009 13:35

Tribal elders gunned down by Taliban in Pakistan

Militants ambushed a convoy of prominent anti-Taliban tribal elders in volatile northwest Pakistan on Thursday, spraying their cars with gunfire, killing six people and wounding several others.
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The ambush followed another attack by militants who killed two members of another anti-Taliban citizen's committee Thursday in the Swat Valley to the northeast. The assailants struck as members of the "peace committee" slept in Swat's Sertelegram area, Mayor Mohammad Ibrar Khan said. Security guards fought the militants and killed several of them, although no bodies were recovered.
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In a third area, the Kanju district, thousands of armed Swat citizens gathered the Saidu Sharif airport, fearing a possible Taliban comeback and pledging to protect their area.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 24 Sep 2009 14:00

^^Plus once the PA operations are over, these guys once again will be back. It's ideology they want to implement. They want literal and strict sharia to be followed. The PA can never win an ideological battle with the Taliban. Indian influence really threatens the Taliban. Nothing else so far comes close to threatening it. PA does'nt want to win an ideological battle with the Taliban. It just wants them on their side in the Ghazwa E Hind. Pakistan is on it's way to Jihadization. There's no way out. Liberal areas like B'stan and Sindh may try and make an exit at some point. India must be ready. But looking at MMS, SMK, IG, WKKs, wah wah types, we're nowhere near anything ready. India will be having to fight in the 'minimum credeble response' force level for some time to come at least..it just doesn't have the political will and spunk to fight with 100% behind. Even Kargil was a 'minimum credible force' type response.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Sep 2009 17:04

The Pakistani perception is that Man Mohan Singh wants to negotiate - Najam Sethi

This might be the perception of the Pakistani establishment, coming as it does after the SeS meeting. Now, that explains Najam Sethi's strident articulation a few days back of how India can do nothing even if there is another attack and how it will eventually come around to discussions

The Foreign Office mind is greatly affected by the Indian ploy of not giving ground. But in the tradition of statesman-like former Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, the current prime minister of India, Dr Manmohan Singh, wants a deal with Pakistan in lieu of confrontation. Hence there is a chance that a breakthrough might be achieved.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Sep 2009 17:47

Proposed sale of farmlands to KSA causes jitters in the Land of the Purest
Excerpts

A proposed lease of 500,000 or more acres of land in Pakistan to Saudi Arabia for agricultural use has raised fears of adverse consequences for the country’s scarce water resources and its food security, aside from possible implications for national sovereignty.

The proposal to invest in Pakistan seems to have come after an announcement by the Pakistan government in April offering foreign investors one million acres of land for lease or sale.

. . . "How can we commit any more water when our existing water is already committed 120 per cent?” asked Rabia Sultan, a south Punjab landholder and an office-bearer in the Farmers’ Association of Pakistan.

“We are not Turkey that we can think of importing water,” she said.

Ayesha Siddiqa, a strategic and political analyst, said if the idea was to get individual landowners to lease to investors, the scheme would open the door to large-scale corporate farming, in the process marginalising the small farmers. It would also increase tensions between the feudal wealthy and the rural landless, and push much-needed land reforms further down the country’s political agenda.

“Big landowners who are now renting out their land to small farmers will throw them out and put it up to the highest foreign bidder,” said Ms Siddiqa, predicting that small landholders with 5-10 acres would be bought out, and “landlessness and rural poverty will increase.”

The owner of 300 acres of farmland in the famed mango-growing area of Bahawalpur herself, Ms Siddiqa also raised concerns {Aha} about the “cartelisation of agriculture” in which a few big landowners with political influence would join hands with foreign investors.

Already, there is discontent that large tracts of land in the Cholistan desert in southern Punjab have been virtually made over to some Gulf rulers who use it for hunting shoots every winter and have built virtual palaces in the area.

The government plan to raise a special security force to protect investors’ lands has also raised suspicions. “If the Cholistan desert is what the investors are after, why should the government offer to raise a special security force to protect land that no Pakistani wants?” asked Ms Siddiqa. The government must immediately reveal all the details of the proposal, she said, so that “the stakeholders, the people of Pakistan, can see for themselves what this deal is all about.” {Ms. Ayesha Siddiqa is genuinely worried about her 300 acres . . .}

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Sep 2009 18:19

SSridhar wrote:The Pakistani perception is that Man Mohan Singh wants to negotiate - Najam Sethi

This might be the perception of the Pakistani establishment, coming as it does after the SeS meeting. Now, that explains Najam Sethi's strident articulation a few days back of how India can do nothing even if there is another attack and how it will eventually come around to discussions

The Foreign Office mind is greatly affected by the Indian ploy of not giving ground. But in the tradition of statesman-like former Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, the current prime minister of India, Dr Manmohan Singh, wants a deal with Pakistan in lieu of confrontation. Hence there is a chance that a breakthrough might be achieved.

One just has to watch Fox news to get a glimpse of the contrast between Indian nationalism, if there is any such thing, and rabid white nationalism. Yesterday, the foul-mouths on Fox news, led by so called 'diplomat' John Bolton (a street thug would be a more apt characterization), were frothing in their mouths that Obama sounded conciliatory in front of the UN (a euphemism for all those inferior blackies and brownies) and an apologist for US. Most of the anchors and demogagic clowns even had the gall to suggest that past 8 years, US has done yomen service to the world by making it more 'secure' through its blood and tears. Man, the self-fulfiling fascist pomposity was sickeing. In contrast, we have Indian PM's passion to be good to his Paki cousins is there for all to see; despite 26/11 and its aftermath with Pakis cocking a snook at India. Thoo.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 Sep 2009 19:14

Musharraf: Additional Troops Needed in Afghanistan

Former Pakistani president Gen. Pervez Musharraf said that President Obama should have complied "yesterday" with Gen. Stanley A. McChyrstal's recommendation to send more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. "I think you should take it immediately. You should have taken it yesterday," Musharraf told ABC News in an exclusive interview.

Mushyrat is surely getting a lot of airtime in khanland.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 24 Sep 2009 19:21

Pakistan determined to eliminate extremist groups: says US
Nothing unusual here you SDREs. Unkil is speaking on behalf of his Munna. Now where did I keep that vaseline bottle?

chandrabhan · Post by **chandrabhan** » 24 Sep 2009 19:34

One thing I must give credit to Americans is that they are convinced that they are the force of good in this world. They are convinced that they do the world a service by maintaining the balance and arbiter in issues of global as well as local significance.
I must grudgingly admit that they largely have been able to maintain the facade of prevalence of justice around the world(Whatever their ulterior motive may have been eventually). We , In India, have seen the Ugly side(encouragement to TSPA) as well as the gentler side(Sending Shiploads of wheat on christmas, Weapons to fight the Chinese in 1962). Why I say this? Well Imagine the world under the hegemon of Chincoms !!!! The hans will be a bigger evil than the these known racists. They will take out their centuries old frustration on the neighbours as well as rest of the world.

I have no love for Khanate but I have great suspicion of these Communists who recognize one particular day as the national humiliation day' . Nobama, i had predicted will be a disaster for the world and India in particular. He is pure glib, loads of gas and no substance. He shd be a preacher, professor and that's it.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Sep 2009 01:15

chandrabhan wrote:One thing I must give credit to Americans is that they are convinced that they are the force of good in this world.

That is known as imperial hubris/special providence. Please read the book Special Providence: American Foreign Policy and How It Changed the World (9780415935364): Walter Russell Mead
This is the doctrine on which the country was built

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 25 Sep 2009 02:00

US Senate votes to triple aid to Pakistan

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Sep 2009 02:50

SSridhar wrote:Proposed sale of farmlands to KSA causes jitters in the Land of the Purest

All the arab governments are doing this. Qatar leased 40,000 hectares in Kenya for food production. Food is the next big issue.