Indian Naval Discussion

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Sep 2009 22:50

I sure hope he is sending out RFQs now, preparing 9000 tonnes (I'm generous, so ignoring the rest !

) of mithai would take some time.

KrishG · Post by **KrishG** » 24 Sep 2009 23:15

Btw.... Issue the RFQ with an option of buying extra 9000 tonnes of mithai ie 9000 + 9000 = 18000 tonnes just in case another Boomer would follow shortly.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 24 Sep 2009 23:22

small radar for helicopters ,one of these radars can be found on KA 25,28

http://www.rusarm.ru/cataloque/air_craf ... 03-106.pdf

self homing torpedo,air launched ASW missile,ASW guided bomb,air born bottom mine

http://www.rusarm.ru/cataloque/air_craf ... 26-129.pdf

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 25 Sep 2009 07:35

RKPTZ-1E torpedo countermeasure rocket system, sea bottom mine, ASW mine also includes RBU-6000
http://www.rusarm.ru/cataloque/navy/navy_77-80.pdf

difference between RKPTZ-1E torpedo countermeasure rocket system and RBU6000 is launcher,
RKPTZ-1E has got 10 barrels launcher while RBU6000 got 12 barrels launcher of different calibre.

RBU-6000 system launcher picture
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Talwar11.jpg

POZITIV ME radar
http://www.rusarm.ru/cataloque/navy/navy_82-85.pdf

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 26 Sep 2009 01:32

Vivek K wrote:Nope! In his excitement Admiral Rakesh out of the generosity of his kind heart "promised" to buy mithai equal to the displacement of the Akulas when they joined IN. If he doesn't fulfill his promise he will be reduced to Seaman 3rd class!

This "mithai". Isn't it of a type as special as the ocassion ( I mean the famed afeem laced jalebies)?

Or am I wrong here?

soutikghosh · Post by **soutikghosh** » 27 Sep 2009 00:01

Pics of INS SINDHUVIJAY off Malta

More here: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... ost4439327

Bob V · Post by **Bob V** » 27 Sep 2009 02:35

those are pics are old...atleast a year old.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 27 Sep 2009 06:55

this is Indian naval discussion thread. the skhval is not in IN service nor is it being looked at by IN AFAIK. IOW, wrong thread.

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 27 Sep 2009 14:20

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is is Indian naval discussion thread. the skhval is not in IN service nor is it being looked at by IN AFAIK. IOW, wrong thread.

-What if it is part of NERPA armament? think

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 27 Sep 2009 14:48

what if it is not ?

should we discuss and speculate on every possible and impossible weapon system in this thread ? I think not.

khukri · Post by **khukri** » 27 Sep 2009 22:47

Baldev wrote:this is Indian naval discussion thread. the skhval is not in IN service nor is it being looked at by IN AFAIK. IOW, wrong thread.

Oh I think you have the right to discuss it here Shankar, whether it is true or not. There is some evidence that it might be true.

From Deagel.com

In addition to the Russian Navy, the Shkval rocket-assisted torpedo has been sold to India, Iran and Ukraine. In 2008 it was said that Iran may use the Shkval underwater rocket to target the US Navy's aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. According to some reports they may use small fast boats as launch platforms.

From Kyrgyzstan Daily Digest:
India potential buyer of Kyrgyz torpedoes

According to unofficial information, the Russian intermediary in the
sphere of military-technical collaboration Rosoboroneksport, could
become the buyer of the shares in the Dastan factory. On 23 October of
last year at the opening of the Russian military air base in Kant,
Rosoboroneksport gave Kyrgyzstan a lot of weapons and military property
for special units worth 3m dollars free of charge. At that time a
representation of the state intermediary was opened in Bishkek. It
cannot be ruled out that in the event that Rosoboroneksport obtains the
Dastan packet it will transfer a portion of the shares to the control of
the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, which now includes the
developer of the Shkval, GNPP [State Scientific Production Enterprise]
Region. In exchange the state intermediary will obtain stock in
corporations fulfilling a number of export contracts concluded by
Rosoboroneksport.

According to Kommersant information, Rosoboroneksport interest in the
factory may be connected with possible deliveries of the Shkval-E to
India. They plan to arm two project 971 Shchuka-B submarines with these
missile torpedoes. Negotiations for the delivery of these to the Indian
Navy are now in the final stage. In addition the Shkval-E missile
torpedoes are being offered to foreign buyers in order to arm submarines
and shore batteries for combating underwater targets.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 28 Sep 2009 05:15

Baldev wrote:this is Indian naval discussion thread. the skhval is not in IN service nor is it being looked at by IN AFAIK. IOW, wrong thread.

i just wanted to share the specifications of shkval torpedo with everyone thats all. nothing to do with IN

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 28 Sep 2009 06:03

DTA-53 on delhi class destroyers

The DTA-53 set of double-tube torpedo tubes is designed for hitting of surface ships and submarines with anti-ship, anti-submarine and universal torpedoes.

http://eng.ktrv.ru/user_img/Image/DTA-53.jpg
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Images/Delhi9.jpg
http://eng.ktrv.ru/user_img/Image/DTA-53-1.jpg

Basic Specifications
Gauge of torpedoes, mm 533

Overall dimensions, mm
length 8,440
width 1,550
height 1,580

Weight of one-tube torpedo launcher, kg
with heating system 2,700
without heating system 2,500

Power consumption for firing from one torpedo tube
0.65 kW - 27 V

Power consumption of heating system of one tube
26 kW - 380 V

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 Sep 2009 06:08

Baldev wrote:
Baldev wrote:this is Indian naval discussion thread. the skhval is not in IN service nor is it being looked at by IN AFAIK. IOW, wrong thread.
i just wanted to share the specifications of shkval torpedo with everyone thats all. nothing to do with IN

then you should use the international naval thread or the newbie thread.

why do you think those threads are there in the first place ?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Sep 2009 18:07

May I suggest that Adm.Rakesh begins planning the logistics of his mithai order in time for Diawli,as there will be a huge rush for such comestibles coming up soon.I recommend a southern mithai-wallah called "Krishna Sweets" because of their track record ,certificate of commendation from BHEL,displayed in their ad. at several domestic airports in the country,of delivering a few tonnes of "mysurpa" to BHEL in Tiruchi when they celebrated an anniversary not too long ago.I am almost sure that INS Chakra will arrive in time for Navy Day this year,and Adm.Rakesh will be remembered for posterity for his most generous offer of mithai that will make it to the Guinness Book of World Records!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 28 Sep 2009 19:22

Philip wrote:May I suggest that Adm.Rakesh begins planning the logistics of his mithai order in time for Diawli,as there will be a huge rush for such comestibles coming up soon.I recommend a southern mithai-wallah called "Krishna Sweets" because of their track record ,certificate of commendation from BHEL,displayed in their ad. at several domestic airports in the country,of delivering a few tonnes of "mysurpa" to BHEL in Tiruchi when they celebrated an anniversary not too long ago.I am almost sure that INS Chakra will arrive in time for Navy Day this year,and Adm.Rakesh will be remembered for posterity for his most generous offer of mithai that will make it to the Guinness Book of World Records!

Sugar free too please. Pure ghee?

Cybaru · Post by **Cybaru** » 28 Sep 2009 20:35

Philip wrote:May I suggest that Adm.Rakesh begins planning the logistics of his mithai order in time for Diawli,as there will be a huge rush for such comestibles coming up soon.I recommend a southern mithai-wallah called "Krishna Sweets" because of their track record ,certificate of commendation from BHEL,displayed in their ad. at several domestic airports in the country,of delivering a few tonnes of "mysurpa" to BHEL in Tiruchi when they celebrated an anniversary not too long ago.I am almost sure that INS Chakra will arrive in time for Navy Day this year,and Adm.Rakesh will be remembered for posterity for his most generous offer of mithai that will make it to the Guinness Book of World Records!

Adm Rakesh has taken residence in a country that has no extradition treaty with BR. He flaunts his presence openly by releasing pictures of his decadent parties catered with lobs and gobs of mithai by jasoo mithia-wallah, exotic nauch girls take turns feeding him and his high powered connections the same. BR has issued a interpol red-alert notice to no avail. He has yet to be caught with hands in the mithai jar

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 29 Sep 2009 06:04

Another 'intentional' leak maybe from the Military leadership.... The article talks about the reporter having access to sensitive pics of China's Varyag's undergoing refit as also the ski-jump installation in one of its airbases. Another info is that a Su-27 family aircraft is likely to operate off the carrier.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4683/picture2gu.jpg

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 29 Sep 2009 06:26

But what I found interesting in that news is the number of submarines they use for training vs active: 31 vs just 11 in active service

WTF? What are they? NIIT for navies?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 29 Sep 2009 16:18

If Adm.Rakesh doth renege upon his vow as mithai-bearer of BR,then an international red alert must be sounded and he must suffer too the ignominious fate of Roman Polanski!

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Sep 2009 22:08

‘Gorshkov selected after visual examination’

But it was only after the “equipment was opened up” later for a “detailed examination of hull structures, systems
, cabling, etc” that the Navy found that entire replacements and not repairs were necessary for the carrier.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 29 Sep 2009 22:10

Nikhil T wrote:Another 'intentional' leak maybe from the Military leadership.... The article talks about the reporter having access to sensitive pics of China's Varyag's undergoing refit as also the ski-jump installation in one of its airbases. Another info is that a Su-27 family aircraft is likely to operate off the carrier.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4683/picture2gu.jpg

Along with teh $20 Million spent to buy the Varyag, they actually got a huge assist from the naval personnel that they hired from Russia. As the story goes these brains were offered to India - and, of course, India declined. Just like the single crystal blades I guess.

SNaik · Post by **SNaik** » 30 Sep 2009 00:48

RSK MiG has announced that on 28-29 September teo of the first batch of MiG-29K/KUB which will be transferred to India in November have carried out test flights from RuN carrier Kuznecov. Although the aircraft were flown by Russian pilots, Indian military representatives were present on Kuznecov. Pennant numbers 941 and 947.

I guess Indian pilots are next

John · Post by **John** » 30 Sep 2009 05:04

NRao wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:Another 'intentional' leak maybe from the Military leadership.... The article talks about the reporter having access to sensitive pics of China's Varyag's undergoing refit as also the ski-jump installation in one of its airbases. Another info is that a Su-27 family aircraft is likely to operate off the carrier.

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4683/picture2gu.jpg
Along with teh $20 Million spent to buy the Varyag, they actually got a huge assist from the naval personnel that they hired from Russia. As the story goes these brains were offered to India - and, of course, India declined. Just like the single crystal blades I guess.

Chinese have thrown a lot of money at it, the man power to maintain and repair the hull and russian personnel they have hired for the better decade. The cost could easily amount to over billion dollar spent on the project. PLAN budget itself is three times higher than naval budget for us.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Sep 2009 07:29

Russia tests Indian fighter jets on board its aircraft carrier

"During the tests on September 28-29, the MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB fighters conducted several take offs and landings on the deck of the [Admiral Kuznetsov] aircraft carrier in the Barents Sea," the company said in a statement."

SNaik , Any Pictures or video of take off/landing will be awesome ?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 30 Sep 2009 07:32

John,

Thanks. My bad.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Sep 2009 07:34

More details on 29K landing on Kuzne ( via keypubs )

MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB flew with the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov"

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 30 Sep 2009 08:29

Mumbai
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww69 ... I-1200.jpg

Ranvir
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww69 ... R-1200.jpg

Ranvir
http://i706.photobucket.com/albums/ww69 ... 2-1200.jpg

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 30 Sep 2009 09:35

INS Mumbai is all sensors and weapons.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 30 Sep 2009 09:38

^^
there's something oddly poetic about an image of a ship in choppy waters.

reply to anurag's query in china mil dhaga.

only this

this is the LUSH patch

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Sep 2009 09:52

L&T will bid to build navy's second submarine line

New Delhi: Engineering and construction giant Larsen and Toubro Tuesday said it will bid for the Indian Navy's second line of conventional submarines.

The company had built India's largest shipyards, near Chennai and in Gujarat, which had the capacity to build all types of naval construction, including submarines, L&T chairman and managing director A.M. Naik told reporters here.

"We will be bidding for the navy's second line of conventional submarines," he said.

He pointed out that L&T, along with the Russians, was vying to build Amur-class vessels but the initiative did not take off due to lack of funds.

"Our shipyards in Hazira and Kattupalli have the capability to take up construction of vessels of about 7,000 to 9,000 tonnage and even warships of the size three or four times these vessels," Naik said.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 30 Sep 2009 10:13

Rahul M wrote:^^
there's something oddly poetic about an image of a ship in choppy waters.

reply to anurag's query in china mil dhaga.

only this

this is the LUSH patch

I know that a patch cannot be taken so seriously, but the image of the SHar on the LUSH patch seems to indicate a new radome, somewhat similar to that of the RN's SHar F/A2..I can't imagine why on earth is there not a single actual image of an upgraded Sea Harrier released by the IN or HAL, which upgrade them..

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 30 Sep 2009 17:18

MiG-29KUB on the Admiral Kusnezov.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 30 Sep 2009 18:05

What a glorious sight to see the IN's roundel on the MIG-29K!

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 30 Sep 2009 18:29

Kakarat wrote:MiG-29KUB on the Admiral Kusnezov.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/at ... 1254298605

do you have more pics

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 30 Sep 2009 18:34

MiG-29 K and KUB tested on the Kuznetsov

Article related to the pics above.

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 30 Sep 2009 18:36

on P15A destroyers they are going to employ LW08 2D radar in conjunction with MF-STAR
it would have been better if largest variant of EL/M 2238 3D is fitted replacing LW08

http://www.iai.co.il/sip_storage/files/1/35471.pdf

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 30 Sep 2009 18:36

shameekg wrote:MiG-29 K and KUB tested on the Kuznetsov

Article related to the pics above.

no video

Baldev · Post by **Baldev** » 30 Sep 2009 19:16

active radars most probably used on CLUB/URAN missiles fired from ships and subs

active radar seeker head-14E
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... LLD6IL-yhA

active radar seeker-35E
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 1H3uwGqIaQ

active radar seeker head-54E
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 31YB1SW_Gg

not sure if one of these seekers also used on BRAHMOS

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 30 Sep 2009 20:48

L&T will bid to build navy's second submarine line.

Engineering and Construction giant Larsen and Toubro Tuesday said it will bid for the Indian Navy's second line of conventional submarines.

The company had built India's largest shipyards, near Chennai and in Gujarat, which had the capacity to build all types of naval construction, including submarines, L&T chairman and managing director A.M. Naik told reporters here.

'We will be bidding for the navy's second line of conventional submarines,' he said.

He pointed out that L&T, along with the Russians, was vying to build Amur-class vessels but the initiative did not take off due to lack of funds.

'Our shipyards in Hazira and Kattupalli have the capability to take up construction of vessels of about 7,000 to 9,000 tonnage and even warships of the size three or four times these vessels,' Naik said.