Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby NRao » 27 Oct 2009 21:08

Lest we forget this gem:

India funding Taliban: Pakistan

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby NRao » 27 Oct 2009 21:09

2 Chicago men accused of plotting terrorist acts

These dogs are trying to learn a new trick.

October 27, 2009 10:26 AM | UPDATED STORY

Terrorism-related charges were filed against two Chicago men today, accusing them of plotting against targets in Western Europe, including "facilities and employees" of a Danish newspaper that printed cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked riots in the Muslim world.

Charged are David Coleman Headley, 49, and Tahawwur Hussain Rana, 48.

Headley was described as an American citizen who changed his name from Daood Gilani. He was charged with one count of conspiracy to commit terrorist acts involving murder and maiming outside the U.S. and one count of conspiracy to provide material support to the conspiracy, according to a release from the U.S. attorney's office.

Rana, a native of Canada, was charged with one count of conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign conspiracy involving Headley and three other individuals.

Both men remain in federal custody, officials said.

Federal officials said there was "no imminent danger in the Chicago area," and added that the charges are not related to recent terror plot arrests in Boston, New York, Colorado, Texas and central Illinois.

Headley is accused of identifying and conducting surveillance of potential targets for a terrorist attack during two trips to Denmark in January and July 2009, according to federal complaints against the two men.

Rana allegedly helped arrange Headley's travels overseas and conceal their purpose, and discussed potential targets for attack with Headley.

Headley allegedly reported -- and attempted to report -- on his overseas surveillance to other
conspirators, according to the affidavits, including:

-- Ilyas Kashmiri, identified as the operational chief of the Azad Kashmir section
of Harakat-ul Jihad Islami (HUJI), a Pakistani-based terrorist organization with links to al- Qaida. Kashmiri, who is presently believed to be in Waziristan in the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA) region in northwestern Pakistan, issued a statement this month that he was alive and working with al-Qaida;

-- A person identified in the complaints only as "Individual A" who is associated with Kashmiri, as well as with Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), another Pakistani-based terrorist
organization;

-- A person identified as "Lashkar-e-Taiba Member A" who has substantial influence and responsibility within the organization and whose identity is known to the government.

"Postings to an Internet group for graduates of a military school in the Pakistani town of Hasan Abdal reflect that both Rana and Headley have participated in the group and referred to their attendance at that school," the U.S. attorney's office said in a statement.

Beginning in late 2008, Headley corresponded extensively with "Individual A" and "Lashkar-e-Taiba Member A" regarding what they referred to in coded communications as the "Mickey Mouse Project," "mmp," and "the northern project," according to the affidavit.

The Mickey Mouse Project allegedly involved planning for one or more attacks at facilities and employees of Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten, a Danish newspaper that in 2005 published cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed.

In October 2008, Headley allegedly posted a message stating that "I feel disposed towards violence for the offending parties," referring to the Danish cartoonists and others who he identified "as making fun of Islam."

The Tribune reported in its Tuesday editions that the FBI had arrested a Chicago man -- identified today as Headley -- earlier this month. Headley was taken into custody Oct. 3 before he boarded a flight at O'Hare International Airport to Philadelphia, the first stop on a trip to Pakistan.

After that arrest, dozens of FBI agents from the Joint Terrorism Task Force and the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement on Oct. 18 raided a Grundy County meat-processing plant that specializes in Islamic foods.

Rana, the owner of the plant, was arrested at his North Side home the same day as the raid on the First World Management Services plant in Kinsman, a farming town northwest of Dwight.

Agents seized records from the plant, as well as a related North Side business also raided that day, said the source, who is familiar with the investigation.

Rana financially supported Headley and his family even though he did no work for him, the source said.

-- Jeff Coen

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Rangudu » 27 Oct 2009 22:28

Jumrao garu,

Dr. Tim recently wrote an article...

Sound and fury, signifying nothing

Tue, 10/13/2009 - 4:45pm

By Timothy D. Hoyt

The Pakistani Army, according to reports last week, has written a strong "non-paper" to Pakistan's civilian leadership regarding unacceptable elements in the new Kerry-Lugar Bill (KLB), which will provide $1.5 billion in economic assistance annually to Pakistan with some conditions regarding accountability. The military was joined, perhaps unsurprisingly, by the political opposition -- Nawaz Sharif's Pakistan Muslim League -- in condemning terms that were described as "insulting and unacceptable." Anonymous U.S. sources responded by saying that we have to "understand Pakistan's sensitivities," and U.S. ambassador to Pakistan Anne Patterson has been quoted as saying that some of the conditions in the bill are "a big mistake."

The Pakistan Amy's corps commanders and leadership expressed concern, according to Pakistani reports, over the bill's "clauses about the country's nuclear program, suggestions of Pakistan's support for cross-border militancy and civilian government's role in military promotions and appointments." These are certainly important issues. They encompass the three key elements of Pakistani national security policy -- which is and has been utterly dominated by the Army since Pakistan's independence in 1947. They also represent genuine concerns for both the U.S. and the international community. Pakistan's appalling record on proliferation is well known: Pakistani nuclear secrets have been transferred to Iran, North Korea, and Libya, and possibly other states as well.

And the use of paramilitaries, proxy forces, and terrorists to carry out foreign policy dates to independence and the First Kashmir War of 1947. Pakistan's long history of support for militant groups includes providing sanctuary for the Quetta shura (the Afghan Taliban leadership), the Haqqani network, and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, all of whom are actively engaged in killing American and coalition forces in Afghanistan and elsewhere, in addition to India-focused groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Finally, the Pakistani officer corps is deeply politicized, has ruled the country for over half of its existence, has never allowed an elected head of state to serve out a full term, and has contributed extensively to the country's economic dysfunction, endemic corruption, eroding civil society, and weak political traditions. Reducing the role of the Army in politics appears to be a mutual goal -- Army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani shows no interest in re-inserting himself formally in the political system. Nevertheless, for an Army that traditionally sees itself as not only the protector of the nation, but as the actual embodiment of the nation (and therefore above all other institutions), accepting a bill that might constrain its political interference in the future may seem intolerable.

In addition, Section 205 of the Kerry-Lugar bill requires all direct cash payments for security assistance or non-assistance to be made directly to civilian political leadership, which can then be held accountable for how those funds are spent. This includes the much-criticized Coalition Support Funds, which have been provided in the past with minimal monitoring on either the U.S. or Pakistani side. According to recent Pakistani reports, the Army was stunned to find that billions of dollars provided through CSF had not gone to counterinsurgency or counterterrorist efforts. The Army claims it was denied access to those funds -- a claim which is quite disingenuous, since it has been revealed by retired Army generals that many of those resources went to acquiring equipment to defend against India. In reality, the Pakistani Army simply chose to apply those funds to the theater of higher perceived priority and greater bureaucratic and institutional preference. The fact that no one on the U.S. side has publicly challenged these contradictory claims indicates the level of complacency, or perhaps just exhaustion, in the relationship.

Kerry-Lugar makes Pakistan the recipient of $1.5 billion a year in economic aid -- putting Pakistan just slightly behind Egypt, and a bit behind Israel, in terms of government-to-government assistance. Add in the existing aid packages, which include programs for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas, and the Coalition Support Funds, and Pakistan certainly passes Egypt, and may even surpass Israel to become the #1 recipient of U.S. aid. This is hardly negligible -- and a Pakistan which has verged on nightmarish uncertainty at least twice in the past two years (the political crisis of 2007, and the economic and political crisis of 2008) really cannot afford to turn this offer down.

Moreover, the Army leadership knows quite well that money is fungible, and that U.S. economic assistance frees up money in the domestic economy that can then be used for military purposes if necessary. And yet Army leadership still launches a series of attacks, complaining about U.S. interference and misunderstanding, and implicitly accuses the civilian government of endangering national security (and, possibly, suggesting a military willingness to intervene if it doesn't get its way).

This is politics as usual in Pakistan, on both the domestic and international fronts, unfortunately. Domestically, this is an opportunity for the opposition to berate the government, which plays to the broad suspicion of U.S. intentions and motives among the Pakistani population. In addition, the Army is trying to make the boundaries of its relationship with civilian politicians clear. National security is not an area where the Army will tolerate much interference, either by Pakistani politicians or by external actors.

The Army's hostile response reflects tensions in Pakistan's national security policy, which continues to focus on India. Rightly or wrongly, Pakistan's Army does not see the current internal threat as its critical priority -- the perpetrators of terrorist acts inside Pakistan are referred to as "miscreants," rather than insurgents or terrorists, for example, even after they stormed Pakistani Army headquarters in Rawalpindi last weekend.

Longstanding links between militant groups and Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate (ISI) further complicate assessments of the internal threat. Criminal charges against Hafez Saeed, leader of Lashkar-e-Taiba, which carried out last year's Mumbai attack, were dropped on Saturday. The perpetrators of Saturday's attack on Pakistani Army headquarters in Rawalpindi are apparently linked to Jaish-e-Mohammed. Both groups were established by ISI, and have links to al Qaeda -- and both have been useful tools for Pakistan, providing hundreds of fighters to operate in Jammu and Kashmir over the past two decades. Both groups were, in fact, banned by former Pakistani president Gen. Pervez Musharraf in January 2002 after an attack on Indian Parliament the previous month that nearly led to regional war.

The problem for Pakistan is that it knows the Kerry-Lugar restrictions represent legitimate U.S. concerns, but those concerns and the restrictions contained in the bill are not in the interests of the Pakistani Army and other elites. Support for terrorism by elements of the Pakistani security forces (active duty or retired) remains a problem in Pakistan. So does nuclear proliferation -- although Pakistan has taken great steps to provide greater security for its nuclear arsenal, it has also released nuclear black market mastermind A.Q. Khan from house arrest. Monitoring of aid is also not unreasonable, given the Army's unsupportable claims that much of the previous U.S. assistance was "lost."

The key fear, and the reason for the Army's hostile reaction, is that on one occasion in the past, the United States actually abided by the details of Congressional legislation. In 1990, the U.S. terminated assistance to Pakistan after it violated the provisions of the Pressler Amendment, which required the U.S. president to certify that Pakistan did not possess a nuclear device. Pakistani elites portray the halting of aid in 1990 as a total surprise and a great act of betrayal.

In fact, the Pressler Amendment had already been in effect for a number of years, and Pakistani leadership (both military and civilian after 1988) knew the conditions under which aid would be terminated. Those conditions had been the subject of regular conversations between the U.S. and Pakistani leadership in the late 1980s. The fact that Pakistan pressed its nuclear development to the point that an American president could not ignore it indicates a pressing national interest strong enough to override the potential consequences, a critical failure in judgment and management of the U.S. relationship, or (more probably) both. It also reflected a changing geopolitical environment in which Pakistani and U.S. interests diverged, and common interests became less compelling.

So it is not surprising that Pakistan's Army protests bitterly against what it sees as unwanted interference in its sphere of responsibility. The question is whether the Army will scuttle the bill or insist on changes, rather than become the leading recipient of American military and economic assistance. Congress will pass the bill, and almost certainly in its current format -- rolling back the objectionable provisions seems highly unlikely in the current U.S. political climate. Pakistani military delegations will complain about a "trust deficit" and a "transactional relationship," and show very real and compelling PowerPoint presentations demonstrating their losses in the war on terror. After a time, the U.S. has a tendency to simply stop arguing if the issue is not perceived as immediate and critical. This diplomatic attrition, at which Pakistan's Army excels and relies, is a trademark of Pakistan's foreign policy. When we respond by saying "it was a mistake," we simply reinforce decades of Pakistani experience, and ensure that we will see similar behavior in the future.

At the end of the day, then, rather than reject the remarkably generous provision of aid, Pakistan's military will seek a work-around in practice -- making loud pronouncements about their commitment to the terms of the bill, but maintaining their questionable activities at a sufficiently ambiguous level to allow U.S. authorities to continue providing the assistance despite ongoing evidence of a lack of full compliance. The mutual interests of the U.S. and Pakistan still coincide much more than they diverge, and as a result Pakistan will accept the bill with loud and bitter complaints. It's business as usual, and the United States would be foolish to give these protests any serious attention. They are, in the words of Macbeth, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Timothy D. Hoyt is a professor of strategy and policy and co-chair of the Indian Ocean Regional Studies Group at the U.S. Naval War College. The views expressed here are his own and do not reflect the views of the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Naval War College, the Department of Defense, or any other U.S. government agency.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 27 Oct 2009 22:36



Not mentioned in the above article you posted is the fact that there is yet another connection to Pakistan.

One of the two charged, Tahawwur Hussain Rana, was born in Pakistan: See the fourth paragraph of the below posted article:

Canadian charged in Danish cartoon terror plot

National PostOctober 27, 2009 10:44 AM

TORONTO — The FBI has arrested a Canadian for his role in an alleged terrorist plot against the Danish newspaper that published 12 controversial cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad.

Tahawwur Hussain Rana, 48, owner of First World Immigration Services, was charged with aiding a conspiracy to attack the Jyllands-Posten in Copenhagen.

In an indictment unsealed Tuesday morning, the U.S. Justice Department said Rana had worked with David Coleman Headley and three Pakistani terrorists to organize the attack.

Rana, a Canadian citizen born in Pakistan, has been living in Chicago, where he operates an immigration firm and grocery store. He also owns a halal meat business in Kinsman, Ill., that was raided by FBI agents last week.

"The criminal complaints unsealed today have exposed a serious plot against overseas targets by two Chicago-based men working with Pakistani-based terrorist organizations," said David Kris, Assistant Attorney General for National Security. .........................

Calgary Herald

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shravan » 27 Oct 2009 23:02

Understanding the ‘Jihad Print Media’ in Pakistan and its Impact

Published: October 26, 2009

Pak Institute for Peace Studies (PIPS) conducted a national seminar on Understanding the ‘Jihad Print Media’ in Pakistan and its impact on 20 October in Islamabad. The seminar brought together a large number of media representatives, scholars and academics to discuss and comment on PIPS’ recently produced report on the subject.
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For complete article, click here

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby manish » 28 Oct 2009 00:00

SSridhar wrote:Brigadier escapes terrorist attack in Islamabad
Unidentified terrorists opened fire on an army Brigadier’s jeep in sector I/9 area here on Tuesday but all the persons on vehicle escaped unharmed, Geo news quoted police sources as saying.

According to eyewitnesses, the senior army official, along his mother and driver, narrowly escaped the attack whereas offenders have managed to flee from the firing scene.

“The assailant was waiting for 15 minutes outside army official home to launch terrorist strike”, witnesses said adding, “The police troops have cordoned off the entire area, meanwhile, the security of the area has been beefed up”.

Duh! I am getting conphused SSridhar saar!! Are these guys a notch below miscreants :twisted: or are they a cut above them?

Seems like we have a new class of 'operatives' here huh? Foreign fighters, miscreants and now offenders!

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Muppalla » 28 Oct 2009 00:13

^^^
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10 ... =351020401

As per Vikram Soods tweet - It is possible that brigadiers are being targeted because Generals are better protected or do not move.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Kati » 28 Oct 2009 00:15


Lalit K Jha , Press Trust Of India
Washington, October 27, 2009
First Published: 23:27 IST(27/10/2009)
Last Updated: 23:36 IST(27/10/2009)
FBI foils LeT plan to carry out major terror attack in India
Hindustan Times, Oct 27, 2009

Pakistan-based terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba was planning to use an American national to carry out a major terrorist attack in India, US investigating authorities said on Tuesday.

The man, identified as David Coleman Headley, was arrested early this month by FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force at O'Hare International Airport before boarding a flight to Philadelphia, intending to travel on to Pakistan.

49-year-old Headley, along with a Canadian citizen of Pakistani origin, have been arrested on charges of plotting a terror attack against the facilities and employees of a Danish newspaper which had published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in 2005, federal law enforcement officials announced today.

The Pakistani-Canadian Tahawwur Hussain Rana, 48, also known as Tahawar Rana, was also a resident of Chicago and was arrested by the FBI on October 18.

Rana is the owner of several businesses, including First World Immigration Services, which has offices on Devon Avenue in Chicago, as well as in New York and Toronto.
{this explains how the Pakis trying to leave TSP can get canadian visa}

According to the FBI affidavit filed in a Chicago court, Headley was in close contact with Ilyas Kashmiri and
several unidentified leaders of LeT.

Kashmiri is the operational chief of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir section of Harakat-ul Jihad Islami (HUJI), a Pakistani-based terrorist organisation with links to al Qaeda.

Kashmiri, who is presently believed to be in Pakistan's restive Waziristan tribal region, issued a statement this month that he was alive and working with al-Qaeda.

The identities of other LeT leaders, who are associated with Kashmiri, have not been revealed and is mentioned as "LeT
member A" and "LeT member B" in the affidavit.

"In July and August 2009, Headley exchanged a series of e-mails with LeT Member A, including an exchange in which
Headley asked if the Denmark project was on hold, and whether a visit to India that LeT Member A had asked him to undertake was for the purpose of surveilling targets for a new terrorist attack," the FBI said in its affidavit.

"These e-mails reflect that LeT Member A was placing a higher priority on using Headley to assist in planning a new
attack in India than on completing the planned attack in Denmark," it said.

After this time, Headley and LeT Member A allegedly continued focusing on the plan with Kashmiri to attack the newspaper, rather than working with LeT, the complaint alleges.

In January 2009, Headley travelled to Copenhagen, Denmark, and Rana allegedly arranged portions of his travel. In late July 2009, Headley travelled again to Copenhagen and to other locations in Europe, and Rana again arranged portions
of his travel.

After returning to Chicago in August, Headley allegedly used coded language to repeatedly inquire if Individual A had been in touch with Kashmiri regarding planning for the attack, and expressing concern that Individual A's communications with Kashmiri had been cut off.

In early September, Headley and Rana took a lengthy car ride during which they discussed the activities of the other individuals, including past terrorist acts, and Headley discussed with Rana five actions involving targets that
expressly included Denmark.

"In conversations with Rana and Individual A in August and September, Headley indicated that if the 'doctor' (alleged
to be a reference to Kashmiri) and his people were unable to assist, then Headley would perform the planned operation
himself."

According to the affidavit, Headley stated in conversations last month that he intended to travel to Pakistan in October to meet with Individual A and Kashmiri, and he was arrested on October 3 as he prepared to board a flight from Chicago to Philadelphia, intending to travel on to Pakistan.

During a search of Headley's luggage, a memory stick was recovered that contained approximately 10 short videos of
Copenhagen, including video focused on the Jyllands-Posten building in King's Square taken both during the day and night, as well as a nearby Danish military barracks and the exterior and interior of Copenhagen's central train station, consistent with the checklist he stored which mentioned "route design".


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Paul » 28 Oct 2009 00:24

Smells like a psy-ops article.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby BijuShet » 28 Oct 2009 00:34

Small article hence posting in full from "The News"
GHQ Attack mastermind Ishtiaq arrested
Updated at: 2235 PST, Tuesday, October 27, 2009
LAHORE: The mastermind of attack at the military General Headquarters (GHQ) Qari Ishtiaq has been arrested, Geo News reported Tuesday.

According to sources privy to intelligence agencies, a huge catch of modern arms and ammunition has been taken in custody from his possession.

Qari Ishtiaq is being said as the central commander of Punjabi Taliban.

The sources said more seven terrorists have been arrested on identification by Qari Ishtiaq during interrogation.

Of the extremists, three extremists were nabbed from Sargodha, three from Gujranwala and a terrorist has been arrested from Mailsi.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Mahendra » 28 Oct 2009 00:38

^^
Hey! wait a minute
If this new dude is the mastermind of the GHQ attack, who is Akhil Kumar then?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby manish » 28 Oct 2009 01:15

vaman wrote:^^
Hey! wait a minute
If this new dude is the mastermind of the GHQ attack, who is Akhil Kumar then?

vamanji, I guess as per the new naming convention, Akhil would be the 'offender' and this dude is the mastermind :rotfl:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Johann » 28 Oct 2009 01:40

Re. Stingers,

To build on what S. Sridhar said about Stingers and Kargil, although the Pakistanis claimed their two shootdowns were with Anzas, the IA did capture some Stinger missiles as well, and there are photographs of the trophies in the public domain.

There are also photos of the Taliban on carrying stingers at Kandahar during the IC-814 hostage crisis. After the fall of the Taliban several Stinger missiles were captured in Afghanistan.

The question of whether they are in working order is more complicated. The first item liable to expire is the battery coolant unit, however, there is evidence that the Pakistanis reverse engineered them with Chinese help, and there were reports starting a few years ago that the ISI has been supplying BCUs to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

However, its not clear whether that is enough. In general Coalition aviation losses in Afghanistan are not anything like the Soviets, with only 10 helicopters known to have been brought down by ground fire in 8 years, and a total of 50+ helicopters lost in that period, many from brownouts, sandstorms, fog, etc. However pilots take the manpads threat seriously.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby RoyG » 28 Oct 2009 05:29

Islamabad: Brigadier escapes ambush by militants

October 27, 2009

Suspected motorcycle-borne militants on Tuesday made a brazen attempt to assassinate another senior Pakistan army [ Images ] officer, raking his vehicle with indiscriminate fire, but the brigadier escaped unhurt, in an ambush similar to one just five days ago that resulted in killing of an army officer and a soldier.

Two gunmen, waiting outside the home of Brigadier Waqar Ahmed in Islamabad [ Images ], opened fire as he emerged in his staff car at around 9 am along with his mother and raked his vehicle with automatic weapons fire, but he escaped unhurt, the police and witnesses said.

The brigadier's mother who was traveling with him also had a narrow escape.

TV clips showed the car riddled with three bullets and the front screen completely smashed in one of Islamabad's prominent residential areas. The car was on the move when the bullets hit it.

Abdul Ghafoor, a neighbour who witnessed the attack, said, "The brigadier was going to the bank with his mother. He was sitting in the back seat with his mother when the gunmen opened fire. The gunmen escaped on a motorcycle without being challenged."

Some witnesses said they had seen the two gunmen waiting outside the officer's home for about 15 minutes.

The police cordoned off the area and launched a search for the attackers. No group claimed responsibility for the attacks.

Rezaul H Laskar in Islamabad

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/oct/ ... itants.htm

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 28 Oct 2009 06:19

Rangudu wrote:Dr. Tim recently wrote an article...

At the end of the day, then, rather than reject the remarkably generous provision of aid, Pakistan's military will seek a work-around in practice -- making loud pronouncements about their commitment to the terms of the bill, but maintaining their questionable activities at a sufficiently ambiguous level to allow U.S. authorities to continue providing the assistance despite ongoing evidence of a lack of full compliance. The mutual interests of the U.S. and Pakistan still coincide much more than they diverge, and as a result Pakistan will accept the bill with loud and bitter complaints. It's business as usual, and the United States would be foolish to give these protests any serious attention. They are, in the words of Macbeth, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."




There is a hint of bitterness and fatalism in that article. Don't blame him though - that's exactly how things happen ad I am glad to see someone saying it like it is. This is a remarkable US version of chai biskoot that he describes.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Umrao Das » 28 Oct 2009 06:38

The
"bitterness and fatalism"
is understandable, because he was irrationally exuberant about TSP, fatalistic about India and its future. No wonder that he advocated twice the punishment for India vis a vis TSP after 1998 tests.

But then he is not alone the entire foggy bottom is still groping in dark not to say even Indians don't understand how India continues to work with its head on lunatic water exploration while there is acute aquatic needs unfulfilled on firma terra.

But he must grudgingly admit that we at BR had been very very accurate in predicting the epicenter of terror and the futility of Iraq expedition.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gerard » 28 Oct 2009 07:08

India funding Taliban: Malik
To a question, he said Islamabad could demand that Bharatiya Janata Party leader LK Advani be extradited if his name was included in the first information report of former prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan’s murder.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 28 Oct 2009 07:43

These brigadiers being bumped off could they be the next rung of moderates being eliminated by the fundoos in TSPA via the irregular Army of Allah to clear the succession plans?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Umrao Das » 28 Oct 2009 07:46

It could that the officer cadre who still beleive that armed forces should be subordinate to the civilian govt that are being targeted. Those old Sandhurst chaps with some true izzat.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby ramana » 28 Oct 2009 07:48

Can we look at the Paki papers on these officers bios and see any patterns?

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 28 Oct 2009 07:49



Where am I going to get my daily dose of toilet humor now ? :cry:

And by the way, guess who Pakistan's Baghdad Bob is according to the FP magazine ?
Today, Baghdad Bob might have found a successor in the form of Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Public Relations, which handles media relations for the Pakistani armed forces.


The repository of knowledge for all things Bakistani, the BENIS dhaaga, put it more eloquently
Bodies, some with torture marks and some with limbs tied and a bullet in the neck or head, have been found on the roads of Mingora and in rural areas that were militant strongholds. On seeing that, Col. Akhtar Abbas, the army spokesman said "These beepuls have died oph old age". The Human Rights Commission report said residents also described mass graves in Kukarai village and in an area between the villages of Daulai and Shah Dheri. The chief spokesman for the military, Gen. Athar Abbas, said "these pits are not graves but in fact fields planted by the bious and gentle bakistani army to grow more beepuls".

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Gagan » 28 Oct 2009 07:58

Suspicious Tunnels in Pakistan:

Skardu: Construction by the side of hill.
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Tarbela: Tunnel complex by the side of a hill.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby arun » 28 Oct 2009 08:51

arun wrote:


Not mentioned in the above article you posted is the fact that there is yet another connection to Pakistan.

One of the two charged, Tahawwur Hussain Rana, was born in Pakistan: See the fourth paragraph of the below posted article:

Canadian charged in Danish cartoon terror plot {Snipped}

Calgary Herald


Truly epitomizing the “Jihad fi sabilillah” or translated the “Jihad in the way of Allah” part of the motto of the Pakistan Army.

The Times (UK) identifies Tahawwur Hussain Rana who has been charged with terrorism in Chicago as not only having being born and trained for terrorism in Pakistan but also as having served in the Pakistan Army as a Captain:


October 28, 2009

‘Mickey Mouse Project’ plotted to kill Muhammad cartoonist

While in Denmark he allegedly posed as a potential advertiser on behalf of a Chicago business, First World Immigration Services, run by Tahawwur Hussain Rana. Court papers indicate that Mr Headley and Mr Rana, 48, a Pakistani-born Canadian citizen, who is reported to be a former Pakistani army captain, .......................

Times Online, UK


The Pakistan Army, not without reason an institution for uniformed Jihadi’s.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby kasthuri » 28 Oct 2009 09:54

For those who are interested: Here is the pdf copy of the charge sheet against David Coleman Headley who was plotting against India, unearthed by the FBI.

PDF Link

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 28 Oct 2009 10:03

^^
Thanks for the link. Very informative. 8)

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Oct 2009 10:46

Reagrding the above, also see this. India was part of the target too, as a stand-by, if the Danish project was getting delayed.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby Anujan » 28 Oct 2009 10:55

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/27/AR2009102704018.html?hpid=topnews

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton arrived in Pakistan on Wednesday for a three-day visit aimed at quelling rising anti-Americanism


I am sure she can finish the job in two days and have a day left over for some sight seeing :P

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby dipak » 28 Oct 2009 11:22

Uzbeks too are fighting for Taliban

According to some reports, there are some 1,500 Uzbeks with Hakimullah Mehsud, but sources inside the Taliban revealed that hardly 200 trained Uzbeks militants are taking part in the war. Usman Jan is the head of all Uzbeks militants in the area. He succeeded Tahir Yuldashev who was killed in an US drone attack this year.

Kamil, 21, a Uzbeks militant, told rediff.com, "Foreigners like us would prefer death over surrender to the Pakistani Army. Winning this battle is necessary for our survival in the region. We have left our homes in Uzbekistan; there is no way of return for us."

The tall Kamil, who has recently fought in the Swat Valley, married the daughter of another Uzbek militant earlier this month. Winning this battle is necessary for him and his new bride to remain in the area.

"At Khesora front, at the beginning of the operation, there were some 300 Taliban but after five days, 70 militants remained (a majority of them Uzbeks), the rest dispersed. On the sixth day of operation, when the Taliban destroyed some three tanks, it worked as a morale booster and the scattered Taliban gathered once again," said Kamil.


Allegedly and reportedly, if few Indian(s) caught in TSP suspected of creating trouble - without delay its declared by TSP as India's hand in TSP, India fomenting trouble, India funding Taliban blah-blah ...

By the same token, if 200 Uzbeks are known to be fighting along with Taliban against TSPA, why its not declared that Uzbekistan's hand in TSP problems, Uzbekistan fomenting trouble, Uzbekistan funding Taliban ..blah-blah .. ??

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Oct 2009 11:45

dipak wrote:By the same token, if 200 Uzbeks are known to be fighting along with Taliban against TSPA, why its not declared that Uzbekistan's hand in TSP problems, Uzbekistan fomenting trouble, Uzbekistan funding Taliban ..blah-blah .. ??

Dipak, that's a good question. IMHO, the simple answer is that the only enemy for Pakistan is India; everybody else, Americans, Israelis,Chechens, Chinese, Afghans, Uzbeks etc., becomes either an enemy or a tool depending upon the exigencies of the Pakistani situation vis-a-vis India.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby pgbhat » 28 Oct 2009 11:47

SSridhar wrote:Reagrding the above, also see this. India was part of the target too, as a stand-by, if the Danish project was getting delayed.

As per the link posted by kasthuri..... there is a contact called "rahul" whom they were in touch in India. :eek:

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby shiv » 28 Oct 2009 12:25

dipak wrote:Uzbeks too are fighting for Taliban

By the same token, if 200 Uzbeks are known to be fighting along with Taliban against TSPA, why its not declared that Uzbekistan's hand in TSP problems, Uzbekistan fomenting trouble, Uzbekistan funding Taliban ..blah-blah .. ??

Well naming Uzbeks but not Uzbekistan allows Packees to kill several hundred Uzbeks and claim that Taliban problem is over and charge the US more cash for services leaving their army brothers in mufti untouched.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Oct 2009 12:45

ramana wrote:Can we look at the Paki papers on these officers bios and see any patterns?

Here, it says the following
Brigadier Waqar Ahmad is serving as the Deputy Director General of Defence Services Guard (DSG), responsible for the security of vital installations of the Pakistan Army, including the GHQ, the sources told The News.

“However, a mind boggling question arises how come the terrorists are getting information about the residential addresses of senior military officers whereas even the local police were unaware that an important Army officer was living in their area,” the officer added.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby csharma » 28 Oct 2009 12:45

Interesting comment from Nightwatch.

http://nightwatch.afcea.org/NightWatch_20091026.htm

India-Pakistan: Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik said he is convinced India is among those backing the Taliban in an attempt to destabilize Pakistan, The Times of India reported 26 October, citing an interview on television in which Malik was responding to a journalist's question. "I have no doubt about it. I was very open. I have given the full details," Malik said

India denied Malik's statements, Indo Asian News Service reported, citing Indian External Affairs Ministry sources. Calling Malik's statements groundless, Indian sources said India's stand on the Taliban is well known and that Pakistan should break down militancy aimed at India.


Comment: The juxtaposition of the two statements in light of recent history exposes paranoid thinking in Pakistan. The Afghan Taliban are the creation of the Pashtuns with Pakistani official support. The Indians supported the Northern Alliance against the Taliban. The Pakistani Taliban are a home grown movement produced mostly by the Pakistan Army and intelligence service under Musharraf.

Indian forces have humiliated Pakistani forces in two wars. If India wanted to destabilize the government of Pakistan it could have replaced it, but chose not to take responsibility for more Muslims on both occasions. The last thing India wants is an Islamic extremist, religiously intolerant, anti-Hindu government in Islamabad.

Pakistan’s Malik is not remembering his history clearly. His admirable, passionate defense of Pakistan would be more persuasive were it backed by an accurate factual record.


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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby santoshriyer » 28 Oct 2009 13:02

Today's Jihad score: Blast in Peshawar market, 4 killed. Courtesy CNN-IBN

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Oct 2009 13:04

Look at the posh house of the Brigadier, who just escaped the Talibani death warrant.
That is the result of the 'culture of entitlement' that PA officers enjoy, a legacy from the British amplified many times over in the Land of the Pure that defends the 'Frontiers of Islam'. My cousin, who holds a similar position in the kufr Army, is left with a decrepit 2 BHK apartment.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby csharma » 28 Oct 2009 13:10

Not sure how reliable this is but Pakistani taliban have claimed to destroy a few tanks of the PA.

http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/ ... r-zone.htm

Inside Pakistan's war zone

According to the government, the military assault is going well and the army is close to capturing all the important militant hideouts in South Waziristan, while the Taliban claims to have destroyed a number of military vehicles including eight tanks and a helicopter.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Oct 2009 13:19

Pakistan's Baghdad Bob - Foreign policy journal
I do not think it has been posted here before. Apologies if already posted.
As American tanks rumbled in to Baghdad on April 7, 2003, Iraqi Information Minister Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, who became affectionately known as Baghdad Bob, tried mightily to convince Western journalists to ignore the facts in front of their eyes. "I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad," he told reporters as American troops gathered a few hundred yards away. Later, he stated that American soldiers were "committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad," mere hours before coalition forces secured the city.

Today, Baghdad Bob might have found a successor in the form of Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the director general of Pakistan's Inter-Services Public Relations, which handles media relations for the Pakistani armed forces.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - September 15, 2009

Postby SSridhar » 28 Oct 2009 14:03

From all accounts, the Peshawar toll may be much higher.


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