Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 08 Dec 2009 14:31

Malayappan wrote:Dawn reports that today's Multan blast was aimed at an "army owned" building. Seems this is the ISI office there?

It WAS a ISI Office, not anymore...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Dec 2009 14:33

Sri Lilo is right.

I recall vividly how the ones whistling schadenfreude today were all indignant when some nanha mujahids celebrated IED mubaraks in religious fervor.

Moi thought twas decided then and there that there were to be *no more lungi dances* at TSP civvie deaths on the forum.

But aah, the forum finds its own equilibrium, true to its nature only.

In any case, this was an ISI and TSPA building. Halal target by any jingo measure. Where's that lungi-dance icon when you need one...???

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Dec 2009 14:47

shravan wrote:Obama threatens to send troops to Pak to shut down Taliban

From the above,

"The blunt message was delivered in a tense encounter in Pakistan last month, before President Barack Obama announced his new war strategy when Gen James Jones, Obama's national security adviser, and John O' Brennan, the White House counter terrorism chief, met with the heads of Pakistan's military and its intelligence service," the paper said.

Amritraj should have been hired for such jobs. There would not have been a tense encounter then.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 08 Dec 2009 14:55

suppiah .... love your wisecracks....

i feel no sympathy... jahils are killing jahils...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Dec 2009 14:56

I too agree..we should be somewhat restrained and devote energy to discussing real story unfolding in TSP - and what it means for us in short and long term. Every IED brings TSP that much closer to destruction...we need TSP to be around to absorb shocks and act as a buffer state between us and the barbarians...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Dec 2009 15:05

Pakistan's new complaint against India

Its closest neighbours – China and India – produce 6.8 billion tons and 1.4 billion tons of carbon emission annually. Carbon emissions from the Indian side particularly cause heavy fog and smog in most areas of Punjab.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 08 Dec 2009 15:20

Ssridhar .. thats quite true !!

one of my pals went to pakistan for some telecomm project... he said that there is total lack of industrial activity of the kind u see in india.. in particular he said when u enter delhi from say ghaziabad or faridabad you see multitude of factories, industries spewing out smoke with lots of labout milling around.. this kind of activity is totally missing out there.... there is agricultural activity onleee.... though its too much to ascribe smog to indian industrial activity.... its more on account of burning in villages, rural areas...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Dec 2009 15:29

Dont worry, TTP is fixing that problem..there is going to be lot of smoke coming from that side too...after all they have to be equal-equal..

amol.p · Post by **amol.p** » 08 Dec 2009 15:31

Suppiah wrote:Dont worry, TTP is fixing that problem..there is going to be lot of smoke coming from that side too...after all they have to be equal-equal..

smoke them out.....

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 08 Dec 2009 15:33

Bomb blast in Multan leaves 12 dead

We shd give it to Pakistanis on this one. They have good photo friendly gear for their emergency response teams. This guy in the picture is dressed very well for South Asian standards. But I doubt they work any better than Indian personnel.

I feel since the whole of Pakistan is a an Army cantonment they take special care for easy on the eye infrastructure. They have better roads, better equipped police/army. But the downside is they simply dont have minimum brains and will take their country back to stone age.

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 08 Dec 2009 15:34

SSridhar wrote

Quote:
Its closest neighbours – China and India – produce 6.8 billion tons and 1.4 billion tons of carbon emission annually. Carbon emissions from the Indian side particularly cause heavy fog and smog in most areas of Punjab.

Nothing new in thatsaar. They have been complaining about Bakri's not giving milk after every space raket launch by Yndia

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Dec 2009 15:36

TTP is systematically attacking symbols and institutions of state in TSPland - not just security apparatus places like thanas and TSPA/ISI facilities but also courthouses (e.g. the delightful Peshawar sessions court dhamaka yesterday), schools in NWFP, univ campuses and the property of legislators and other gubmint officials (scores of times in NWFP).

Legislature buildings now remain to be targetted, I guess. Could someone get through to the TTP the fact that major infrastructure installations - powerlines, telecom towers, roads and bridges etc are also state symbols??

Courts and related infra must in particular be galling to TTP, I surmise. Fact is that they are not yet entirely based on koranic law and are hence haraam.

Let's hope more fireworks and saas-bahu entertainment gush forth from the land of the entertainment-starved.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Dec 2009 15:44

Let us give them some credit...they are not targeting power lines etc., because that would antagonise ordinary Pakis..most attacks have some fauj connection which means the collateral damage, if any, would only antagonise the collaterals and not damage the cause itself...exceptions are there, of course, like the Lawhore market one but those are the 'extras' that slip through..and give some bang for the buck..also from our perspective, power lines and such cannot attack TTP back - the fauj can if they kill fauj, thereby creating a nice virtuous cycle..

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 08 Dec 2009 15:47

Details of Multan Blast

According to reports, gunmen stormed at a building of a sensitive agency and opened fire on police officials. Later, they blew up a car bomb near the building, which severely damaged the building. A rocket was also fired before the blast.

According to Civil Defence official Shahid Pervaiz, 500 kg explosive was planted in the car. Rockets and hand grenade were also recovered from the blast site. Security forces have cordoned off the area as helicopters are hovering. Sources said cantt area has been sealed due to possible presence of more terrorists.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 08 Dec 2009 15:53

Let us give them some credit...they are not targeting power lines etc., because that would antagonise ordinary Pakis

I read they had some plans on poisoning the water supply..but then that would hardly leave any Paki's to antagonize would it?

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 08 Dec 2009 16:05

harbans wrote: I read they had some plans on poisoning the water supply..but then that would hardly leave any Paki's to antagonize would it?

This is all YYY conspiracy and rumours spread by RAW against the real, benovalent, piousest of pious rulers of Pakistan.

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Dec 2009 16:08

According to reports, gunmen stormed at a building of a sensitive agency and opened fire on police officials. Later, they blew up a car bomb near the building, which severely damaged the building. A rocket was also fired before the blast.

Rocket fired in a city in the "heartland"?

A true banana republic in the making.

Reg the Lahore blasts, will reserve my comments on whether it was a "random" blast ( we never know what or whom it was targeted at, maybe TSPA afsars frequent that place??)

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 08 Dec 2009 16:30

Suppiah wrote:Let us give them some credit...they are not targeting power lines etc., because that would antagonise ordinary Pakis..

The pious are smart, blowing power lines will not impact much since Abduls are already reeling under 18+ hrs of power cuts..

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 08 Dec 2009 16:33

sum wrote:Reg the Lahore blasts, will reserve my comments on whether it was a "random" blast ( we never know what or whom it was targeted at, maybe TSPA afsars frequent that place??)

I think TTP is targeting the same places which they attacked in 2007/08.

9 killed in suicide attack in E Pakistan
08-14-2008

A suicide bomber blew himself up at Moon Market in front of Iqbal Town police station in Lahore, capital city of Punjab province late Wednesday night, said the report.

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In 2007 they killed ISI Agents near the Rawalpindi Mosque.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Dec 2009 16:35

sum wrote:Reg the Lahore blasts, will reserve my comments on whether it was a "random" blast ( we never know what or whom it was targeted at, maybe TSPA afsars frequent that place??)

In Lahore and thereabouts, the More Pious have been singularly targetting the Police. This attack was also on the police.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 08 Dec 2009 16:35

'Wary’ ISI shifts Peshawar office to “safe house” after terror strike

PESHAWAR - Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), has secretly moved its base from Peshawar to another safe location following last month’s devastating bomb attack on its office in the provincial capital.

According to sources, the ISI has shifted its office within the cantonment area after its building was completely destroyed in the terror attack last month in which 13 people were killed and over 15 suffered grievous injuries.

An official, who is privy to the issue, disclosed that the ISI offices have been shifted to a safe house located at the Artillery Road. He said the offices of Chief of ISI Major General Sajjad Ali Khan Wazir and his deputy Brigadier. Hanif Khan have also been shifted to the 11th Corps Headquarters.

Another official, who also confirmed the shift, while pointing fingers toward foreign hands in last month’s blast, claimed that the explosives used in the attack were not available in the country.

“It is only available with US army operational units in Afghanistan,” The Nation quoted the official, as saying.

Security in and around the offices of Military Intelligence, Air Intelligence and Special Branch has already been enhanced, and all roads leading to these installations have been barricaded. (ANI)

If things keep up then soon all of the ISI offices will be moved into bunkers!

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 08 Dec 2009 16:42

HAHAHA , now they blaming the US for the blast

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Dec 2009 16:48

According to sources, the ISI has shifted its office within the cantonment area after its building was completely destroyed in the terror attack last month in which 13 people were killed and over 15 suffered grievous injuries.

An official, who is privy to the issue, disclosed that the ISI offices have been shifted to a safe house located at the Artillery Road. He said the offices of Chief of ISI Major General Sajjad Ali Khan Wazir and his deputy Brigadier. Hanif Khan have also been shifted to the 11th Corps Headquarters.

Am loving it when the ISI is forced to tuck tail and run...Cant even tolerate a few cuts and they set out to deliver a 1000 cuts.

Thank you TTP for doing the work which India/RAW should have been doing( if they are already not doing so) as "payback" for all the mayhem ISI has caused since 47.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Dec 2009 16:55

Lilo wrote:
but isnt it low and degrading for oneself comparing dead bodies to runs ?

It may appear that way but Pakis do say that we are worse than them and that we are animals. We are only showing that the Pakis are correct. We are agreeing with them and showing that they too can be right sometimes. And that is backward praise for them no? I think we should allow the Pakis to get the little praise and credit that they can, don't you? Sometimes we also must make sacrifices for Pakis to make them right.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Dec 2009 17:22

Sorry Archan,I saw and recd. no warning (can't seriously see what upsets one,though).No anger intended,sarcasm and black humour!

The sad state of Pak is a reminder that as they say,"the mills of God might grind slowly,but grind excceedingly well".The wheel has turned full circle and Pak is paying the price,in full measure and with interest for its decades of perfidy against India.We cannot but condemn the madness that has taken so many innocent lives,but as for the ungodly species of the ISI and the other uniformed and non-uniformed tribes who have showered India with their evil,"a plague on both your houses" and verily it has come.

However,we must not go overboard in glee at Pak's crisis.The unravelling of the TSP poses new challenges for India.There will be a hard core anti-Indian part of the establishment who will try anything to get the US off Pak's back and one way in which it may be possible is to orchestrate even more diabolic acts of terror against India than that of 26/11.We saw how the Chinese have tried to come to Pak's rescue through their aggro on our north-eastern borders,in a message to India not to take advantage of Pak's crisis on heir eastern border with us.According to some sources,despite our shortfall in artillery and other eqpt.,we are in far better shape to fight a war with them than they are and they know it.What we may now see is a joint Sino-Pak strategy to keep India tied down on many fronts,not least militarily.Instigating internal crises for us is the preferred method,using our neighbours as routes for infiltration.Fortunately in recent times,Bangladesh and Nepal have tightened up their grip on anti-Indian agents of Pak,but the ISI will keep trying as we have seen using their agents like Headley with false identities and passports for recce and logistic support.We have to further strengthen our borders from infiltration and have our QR teams at the ready for the inevitable further perfidy.

S.Gautam · Post by **S.Gautam** » 08 Dec 2009 17:49

The simple fact is that there have been no successful major Paki attacks in India in a year, which correlates directly with the rapid rise of attacking on Pakis by Pakis. So the Pakis are dying in place of Indians. How can this be anything but good, whether it's ISI/TSPA or civilians dying?

The alternate scenario is Indians getting murdered again. We can't have the situation where Pakis are not attacking Pakis OR Indians. They have a desperate *need* to be killing someone. It might as well be Pakis, from our PoV. I rejoice at every attack in Pakiland, no matter what the targets are, because that means some Indian somewhere is going to live. Attacks on TSPA & ISI are preferable of course, but by no means necessary. Think of them as a sponge absorbing the acid.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Dec 2009 18:06

There is not much correlation between terror attacks inside TSP to the ones inside India staged by TSP. We have been facing this for 20+ years now..the only fear is that to make it equal-equal, TSP may stage some attacks to draw some headlines away from their holy land.

That's why MMS & Co is keeping very quiet, not showing any signs of glee or 'I told you so' and leaving it to us BRFites to fill the void

..though I can suspect everyone in North Block and South block can barely conceal their smile...

Wise policy that we should adopt too not just because it reduces, by however small % the chance of == in India but more importantly any lurking TTP member should not read our posts and come to the conclusion that it is time to stop this tamasha that is giving us kufrs so much fun....

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Dec 2009 18:30

While anything can happen especially when dealing with Pakistan, I believe that at this point of time, the ISI is hamstrung by the fact that the AQAM (Al Qaeda & Allied Movements) is completely absorbed in attacking the 'self' rather than the 'non-self'. They are therefore not left with enough boots on the ground for India operations. This situation can change dramatically and quickly. Our efforts therefore must be to keep them completely immersed in doing whatever they have been doing recently. The US is doing a fine job by pressurizing the PA to do 'more' even though the PA's earlier operation in Swat, Malakand etc and the on-going one in South Waziristan are nothing but a complete sham. The PA calculation had been that the AQAM would understand the PA's compulsions and won't mind small inconveniences. The PA strategy was to give enough notice for the Taliban to move out before conducting an operation, flatten civilian mud houses, kill civilians and count them towards Taliban tally etc. However, there still were collateral Taliban damage. The PA also thought that under this guise, they could weed out the bad Taliban, and the good Taliban wouldn't mind that. To me, it appears that that strategy has also misfired because the AQAM need all hands on the deck and they don't distinguish among themselves as 'good' and 'bad' jihadists, at least at this point of testing times. So, the AQAM's anger has turned towards the PA and we must make sure that this momentum by the AQAM is not lost.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 08 Dec 2009 18:35

Two possibilities cannot be ruled out - one is that of Uncle backing up his strong words in private with some 'action' to convince TSP that they should get going against the 'grey' terrorists - who TSP regards as 'White' ie. the ones that only attack India. The 'black' ones, that attack US and not India will anyway be targeted by either.

Of course, the ones that are really 'White', even Unkil does not care, we have to go after them. Any amount of our breast beating will no move Obama & Co. These are the ones often euphemistically referred to as 'good Taliban'...they provide a nice chance for Uncle to wash his hands off the entire region and claim high moral ground, leaving us holding the can..

The other possibility is that of course, TSP itself is staging these to convince Uncle to lay off.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2009 19:05

Pakistan Told to Ratchet Up Fight Against the Taliban
So if Pak does not do as expected, Unkil will force the issue from Afg side. Now what prevents Pak handlers pleading "hame chodd do" and assisting the groups to target India?

A Arun · Post by **A Arun** » 08 Dec 2009 19:09

Pics of the Multan blast

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 08 Dec 2009 19:15

SwamyG wrote:Pakistan Told to Ratchet Up Fight Against the Taliban
So if Pak does not do as expected, Unkil will force the issue from Afg side. Now what prevents Pak handlers pleading "hame chodd do" and assisting the groups to target India?

The dire economic situation. The US is completely controlling the Friends of Democratic Pakistan organization as well as IMF. Money is coming to Pakistan in a very calibrated way. The PA has to depend on the US for spares for whatever equipment they have. The Paki Generals won't be able to complete the construction of their posh villas or send their children to the US for studies.

archan · Post by **archan** » 08 Dec 2009 19:19

A Arun wrote:Pics of the Multan blast

There seems to be hardly any furniture, curtains, papers etc. in the building.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 08 Dec 2009 19:23

SwamyG wrote:Pakistan Told to Ratchet Up Fight Against the Taliban
So if Pak does not do as expected, Unkil will force the issue from Afg side. Now what prevents Pak handlers pleading "hame chodd do" and assisting the groups to target India?

In this particular case these groups are from Afghanistan and are only interested in getting the US out of Afghanistan. Is there a reason for them to take on India? (Just curious.) The Paki "handlers" want them (Afghani Taliban) for future strategic depth plans.

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 08 Dec 2009 19:48

given the number of attacks in peshawar, are they trying to do a kabul. are these many attacks in peshawar an attempt by taliban to take it?

correct archan. 3 buildings and behind them is a khet. the only piece of furniture you see is a mattress. the area looks periurban residential.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 08 Dec 2009 20:10

archan wrote:
A Arun wrote:Pics of the Multan blast
There seems to be hardly any furniture, curtains, papers etc. in the building.

Lends credence to the suspicion that the entire blast-shast thing may be staged by the TSPA/ISI for show only.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2009 20:23

NRao wrote:
SwamyG wrote:Pakistan Told to Ratchet Up Fight Against the Taliban
So if Pak does not do as expected, Unkil will force the issue from Afg side. Now what prevents Pak handlers pleading "hame chodd do" and assisting the groups to target India?
In this particular case these groups are from Afghanistan and are only interested in getting the US out of Afghanistan. Is there a reason for them to take on India? (Just curious.) The Paki "handlers" want them (Afghani Taliban) for future strategic depth plans.

Say Unkil pushes all sundry into Pak; now Pak is in itself a tinder box. Wouldn't Pak then use some of them against India?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Dec 2009 20:25

A Arun wrote:Pics of the Multan blast

Is that how they dig wells there?

Ananya · Post by **Ananya** » 08 Dec 2009 20:30

This looks like a fake blast , intenionlly done

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 08 Dec 2009 20:33

archan wrote:
A Arun wrote:Pics of the Multan blast
There seems to be hardly any furniture, curtains, papers etc. in the building.

Great pics, but moi thinking the same - no desks, broken computers, files, etc. may be it was just an ISI safe-house to lodge up the new recruits. Angry TTP is now going after all the places where they were nurtured.