Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009

Naidu · Post by **Naidu** » 15 Dec 2009 01:27

Self deleted duplicate. See below.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 15 Dec 2009 02:19

Dated Dec 11. 2009. Did not see it posted.

Naidu · Post by **Naidu** » 15 Dec 2009 02:33

Pakistan Rebuffs U.S. on Taliban Crackdown

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/15/world ... ni.html?hp

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Demands by the United States for Pakistan to crack down on the strongest Taliban warrior in Afghanistan, Siraj Haqqani, whose fighters pose the biggest threat to American forces, have been rebuffed by the Pakistani military, according to Pakistani military officials and diplomats.

The demands, first made by senior American officials before President Obama’s Afghanistan speech and repeated many times since, were renewed in a written demarche delivered in recent days by the United States Embassy to the head of the Pakistani military, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, according to American officials. Gen. David Petraeus followed up on Monday during a visit to Islamabad.

The demands have been accompanied by strong suggestions that if the Pakistanis cannot take care of the problem, including dismantling the Taliban leadership based in Quetta, Pakistan, then the Americans will by resorting to broader and more frequent drone strikes in Pakistan.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 15 Dec 2009 02:33

close to bankrupt paki cricket board begging us to play cricket with them -

Neck-deep in financial crisis, Pakistan Cricket Board today offered to play their 'home' series in India, if the government there and the BCCI agree to the proposal.

Referring India's pull out from a Pakistan tour earlier this year in the wake of last year's Mumbai terror attack, PCB Chairman Ejaz Butt said if the BCCI wanted to reschedule the series with permission from the Indian government, Pakistan was ready to play its 'home' series across the border.

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/22 ... s-in-India

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Dec 2009 02:40

Dont kill us please
You heard it here first.

Zardari hopes for end to judicial murders

ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari hopes that there will be no more judicial murder of any prime minister or democracy in the future.

Extra-judicial ones are fine.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 15 Dec 2009 03:17

^
Veiled threat to Gilani?
j/k. 10%-nti is no position to threaten gropper.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 15 Dec 2009 03:30

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pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 15 Dec 2009 04:46

Muslim terrorists convicted in Spain

Eleven Muslim terrorists were condemned in a Spanish court on December 14 to between 8 to 14 years in prison for having planned to unleash a bomb attack on the Barcelona subway. Ten of those convicted are nationals of Pakistan while the eleventh is from India, having been frustrated in their attempt to conduct a suicide bombing in Spain’s second-most populous city.

Mahroof Ahmed Mirza received 10 years and six months in prison for being the “mastermind.” However, it was Qadeer Malik who was to receive sentences of eight and one-half years for organizing the group and six more for possessing explosives. The balance of the terrorists received eight and one-half years for belonging to a terrorist organization.

However, the court did not find any of the Islamists guilty ofconspiracy despite attempts by the prosecutor, and the majority were not found guilty of possessing explosives. During the trial, evidence was introduced that Qadeer Malik had been manufacturing bombs. On January 17, 2008, Malik tried to discard a garbage bag that contained two empty packages of batteries, an empty box, nine pairs of latex gloves, pliers, a plastic bucket, 8 computer connectors, a clock, a timer, a telephone card, and cables, among other items.

Same Story from beeb
Spain sentences Barcelona subway terror cell men

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Dec 2009 04:58

Paki Ratchild
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213313

India's warrior diplomacy
M Seed Khaa-lidh

the months that followed 9/11, it was not unusual to hear politicians and scholars linking the rise of jihadist organisations to the oppression of people in Palestine and Kashmir. Today, any such argument would be dismissed in the name of zero tolerance to terrorism as if it was a ghastly phenomenon occurring on its own. We are facing a situation where India takes offence to Barack Obama's suggestion to resolve the Kashmir dispute. More recently, India showed knee-jerk annoyance over the US seeking China's cooperation in helping peace and security in South Asia.

There is no direct link between the situation in Palestine and Kashmir but it so happens that Israel too is unhappy over Obama's initiatives to kick-start the Middle East peace process. Yet, the Nobel Peace Committee had the vision to recognise the merit of a leader who brings hope to the dispossessed that have become second-rate citizens in their own homelands. Pakistan can only regret the Indian riposte to a perfectly reasonable US-China interest in helping India and Pakistan resolve their outstanding disputes in the interest of regional and global peace. New Delhi went on the offensive first by ruling out any third-party role in contentious issues with Pakistan, and secondly by making relations with Pakistan contingent upon prosecution of Mumbai suspects.

The hard-line stance adopted by Mr Singh was followed by threats of limited war if another attack like Mumbai takes place. India's self-professed coercive

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 15 Dec 2009 05:31

i thought we are not allowed to post stuff from deaf-n-dumb. Should it not go to benis dhaga?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Dec 2009 05:50

A valiant try to find common ground on which to base Pakistan-India cooperation.

More honest than Hoodbhoy:

The rationale for joint action against terrorism by the Indian and Pakistani armies would seem to rest on two assumptions. First, that the Pakistani army is now a reformed entity which has distanced itself from and cleansed itself of ‘non-state’ actors and proved its professional credentials during the anti-Taliban operations in Swat and Waziristan in the last six months. The jury is still out on this proposition, both in India and the US.

The second assumption is that the two countries now face a common existentialist threat. The two military machines have very different psychological, social and political orientations and aspirations, having been shaped by the history of their respective country. In the shaping of India’s history the Indian military has had a minimal role while the Pakistani military has had an overwhelming role in its country’s history. This is an incongruity which would inevitably impinge on any cooperative venture.

Recent developments in Pakistan are clearly indicative of the military reasserting its role in the political sphere. Such a development is hardly propitious for the kind of cooperation being espoused and unlikely to inspire much confidence in our neighbour whom our military has always treated as enemy number one.

Although a repetition of the Mumbai attack remains a serious concern, the more worrisome insurgencies rearing their heads in India are mainly indigenous and economic in origin and in which the Pakistan Army would be of little help, even if India were to solicit it.

but a weak ending:

Instead of cooperating at the military level to combat the terrorist menace, which has arisen largely because of lack of attention by successive governments to education, social development and regional balance, Pakistan needs to learn from India’s successful democratic experiment, while avoiding its obvious defects of exclusion and marginalisation.

India needs to scale down its global and militarist ambitions and pay more attention to those who have been left out of the development loop. Indian and Pakistani leaders need to sit together to reduce their military expenditures, which would help both reduce their dependence on foreigners and remove the unnecessary irritants that have spoiled their relations. They need to cross the Rubicon of hatred and demonisation and recapture the dream of Hindus and Muslims living together in harmony in both countries.

Historians of both nations seem to agree that the present state of their relationship was not the vision of their founding fathers, Gandhi and Jinnah.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 15 Dec 2009 07:02

Pakistan's failed N Bomb design, drawn from AQ Khan's blackboard.

Malayappan · Post by **Malayappan** » 15 Dec 2009 07:16

Another take on the drones issue -
The Drone Dilemma by Mark Hosenball, Newsweek, Dec 12 2009

One person standing in the way of expanded missile strikes: President Obama. Five administration officials tell NEWSWEEK that the president has sided with political and diplomatic advisers who argue that widening the scope of the drone attacks would be risky and unwise.

Obama is concerned that firing missiles into urban areas like Quetta, where intelligence reports suggest that Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar and other high-level militants have sometimes taken shelter, would greatly increase the risk of civilian casualties. It would also draw protests from Pakistani politicians and military leaders, who have been largely quiet about the drone attacks as long as they've been confined to the country's out-of-sight border region

One of the officials notes that the administration is likely to continue to debate, and even plan for the possibility of expanding, drone operations in the future—if only to keep the pressure on Pakistan to maintain its current efforts to capture and kill terrorists

Psy Ops apart, Quetta action seems to be on the cards - there is simply too much of talk!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Dec 2009 07:39

israel has used hellfires in urban areas buildings. I recall a video of a bunch of guys running out of a hamas office, then boom. if the warhead explodes inside a brick building, the collateral damage will be minimal.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 15 Dec 2009 07:40

Drone strikes have never been conducted in major urban areas under Pakistani government control. In places like Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, etc, rendition has been the American preferred method. The Americans gathered intelligence through a number of methods, and when they found who they were looking for they'd bring along some Pakistanis to conduct the actual arrest.

Quetta was an anomaly, but something is going to change, now that hurting the Taliban is finally a top presidential priority again, right up there with Al Qaeda.

The PA leadership can hide Mullah Omar and some of the other top figures, but a US-driven crackdown on the ground (arrests, snatches, etc), even with lots of advance warning will disrupt Taliban logistics and communications. At the very least it will push them out of the cities and in to the countryside where they will face the reaper.

Both Al Qaeda's leadership and rank and file survive thanks to Pakistan's double game, but US pressure keeps that leadership buttoned up and focused on survival.

Under this kind of pressure the PA friendly elements of the Taliban ('Quetta Shura') is likely to slip from PA influence.

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 15 Dec 2009 08:15

What I find strange is the apparent leak in the Indian media about 10 Taliban fighters infiltrating Indian cities? Since when the classified Home Ministry reports came into the hands of media? Also the fact that the media chose to highlight the PMO meeting on internal security sounds strange. One doesn't know whether this was a regular internal security meeting or whether this was a meeting related to the threat posed by 10 Taliban fighters. Does Indian government knows something very disturbing about the future course of events that it chose to conduct an internal meeting....

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Dec 2009 08:55

Rupesh wrote:i thought we are not allowed to post stuff from deaf-n-dumb. Should it not go to benis dhaga?

Agreed. Let us not drag down this thread by quoting from the Pure Dumb forum.

Vivek_A · Post by **Vivek_A** » 15 Dec 2009 09:53

Abracadabra!
By Kamran Shafi
Tuesday, 15 Dec, 2009

Nothing is forthcoming from the army, two weeks down the line. It is important that the people of the country be told in plain words just who the attackers were. Were they yahoos from Fata aided and abetted from within? Was it an inside job in its entirety? Is there any proof of a ‘foreign hand,’ and if so what is it?

Just the other day I met some old comrades from the army and three out of the four of us agreed that it very much seemed to be an inside job, if only for the reason that at least three army barriers had to be breached by the attackers to get to the secure Parade Lane. Unless of course, they came from units near the site of the attack.

It is important that we get answers to the questions because, then, certain other questions will present themselves, e.g., is an eye being kept on what is being said by the unit maulvi in khutbas (sermons) in unit mosques?

We must remember that soldiers are young and impressionable; we must see if every effort is being made to ensure that their young minds are not being tainted by those same visions of heaven that we saw lately in our press: rolling, green hills with rivers of milk flowing through them, a houri (her face blanked out, of course) standing by the bank of one.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Dec 2009 10:25

Pakistan Army & CIA are the threats to the Democratic Government: Federal lawyer in Supreme Court

The differences between Pakistan’s civilian government and its all powerful military spilled out in the open on Monday with a lawyer representing the government telling the Supreme Court that the army and an American intelligence agency posed a threat to the country’s democracy.

Later, Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani called on Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani. It was an unscheduled meeting, and came after he had already met the Prime Minister once before in the day along with the visiting U.S. Centcom chief, General David Petraeus.

A stunned full court, comprising all 17 functioning judges, heard from Kamal Azfar, a senior lawyer representing the federal government in the NRO case, that the elected government feared destabilisation by the Pakistan Army and the Central Intelligence Agency.

The lawyer, a former Governor of the Sindh province, last week filed an application on behalf of the government . . .

At Monday’s hearing, the court repeatedly quizzed Mr. Azfar about the government’s apprehensions. At first the lawyer said there were “extra-constitutional” forces within and outside Pakistan.

But asked to clarify the statement, the lawyer said: “If you want me to be open, the danger is from CIA and GHQ [General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army]”.

The court wanted Mr. Azfar to give it in writing, but appearing to backtrack somewhat, he said these were his personal views.

But observers see the statement as a surprisingly open admission of differences between Pakistan’s civilian dispensation and the military, with potentially damaging consequences for the already embattled government.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Dec 2009 10:27

All Posters, do not post from the unmentionable forums here.

archan · Post by **archan** » 15 Dec 2009 10:42

Vivek_A wrote:Abracadabra!
By Kamran Shafi
Tuesday, 15 Dec, 2009
We must remember that soldiers are young and impressionable; we must see if every effort is being made to ensure that their young minds are not being tainted by those same visions of heaven that we saw lately in our press: rolling, green hills with rivers of milk flowing through them, a houri (her face blanked out, of course) standing by the bank of one.

What is wrong with that "vision"? how are the young minds "tainted" if they are simply following their faith?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Dec 2009 11:14

More info on those 5 Yahoos

Pakistani officials have said that Saifullah first contacted one of the men, Minni, on YouTube in August after Minni repeatedly praised YouTube videos showing attacks on U.S. forces.

A Pakistani police official involved in the investigation said Saifullah and the men exchanged coded e-mails for months thereafter. After their arrival in Pakistan, he advised them to wear the local dress and instructed them to take buses to a city near the edge of the tribal areas, from where they could be transported to North Waziristan, home base of al-Qaeda. They were arrested before they could make the journey.

The men have told investigators that Saifullah was the only one who welcomed them in Pakistan and that they were rejected by at least two other extremist groups.

Pakistani investigators say they believe that Saifullah spent time in the United States, because of his familiarity with American slang and geography. Officials said he was already wanted for his alleged role in an attack this year on the Sri Lankan cricket team as it visited Lahore for a tournament.

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 15 Dec 2009 13:27

Pak officers working with jihadis, Headley confirms to FBI

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 15 Dec 2009 13:47

Gagan: Nice diagram. Please add the "Steel Rod" to the figure (diagram on the board labels it) and the diagram on the blackboard also refers to the lens as "High Explosive Lens".

BTW knowing Dr. Khan's propensity for ripping stuff off textbooks, it might be interesting to check some standard textbooks from that era and see if there's a match.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Dec 2009 15:27

Not Reich Minister of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, but rather Minister of State for Ports and Shipping of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, Nabeel Gabol :

RAW and Mossad destabilising Pakistan

By: Nisar Mehdi | Published: December 15, 2009

KARACHI - Minister of State for Ports and Shipping Nabeel Gabol said on Monday that Indian spy agency RAW in collusion with Israeli Mossad were sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan and that they were using Afghanistan for infiltration into Pakistan.

“Don’t blame Pakistani agencies. Indian RAW and Israeli Mossad operate from Afghanistan and they perpetrate terrorism inside Pakistan,” he said at a press conference at PPP Sindh Media Cell. PPP Sindh Media cell In-charge Sharjeel Memon and Advisor to Sindh CM Sharmila Farooqui were present on the occasion.

He alleged that a three-star military general of Indian army led the destabilisation operation inside Pakistan from Kabul. He said these enemies knew that Taliban would be blamed for terrorism.

“Pakistan will give the evidence of Indian involvement in terrorism in Pakistan to the international guarantors. We shall not give evidence to India because they themselves are involved in terrorism in Pakistan,” he said.

His attention was drawn to the fact that it was the US administration that had brought Indian government to Afghanistan and former President Bush in his March 2006 visit to Islamabad had announced Indian role in Afghanistan and they still endorse Indian role in Afghanistan.

Gabol failed to identify the international guarantors by name and replied that all those who are interested in peace in this region are the guarantors. He added the US and the UK had their own interests in the region. ……………

The Nation

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Dec 2009 15:29

X Posted.

Indulging in the national pastime of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, namely Islamic Terrorism, gets two Pakistani origin US citizens jail time:

US-Pakistanis jailed for video terror plot

(AFP) – 7 hours ago

ATLANTA, Georgia — A US judge sentenced two Pakistani-Americans to 17 and 13 years in prison for conspiring to support terror groups by videoing US landmarks and sending the tapes abroad.

In the latest of a spate of cases that have raised fears that Islamic radicalization is gaining momentum in the United States, Judge William Duffey was scathing in his final remarks in the courtroom in Atlanta, Georgia.

"I'll say this, our Gods are very different," Duffey told the first to be sentenced, Ehsanul Islam Sadequee. "This is a day of reckoning for you, Mr. Sadequee. This is to deter you and to deter others from this conduct."

Sadequee, 23, refused to stand when Duffey, a former US attorney, asked him several times to do so.

The judge had allowed him almost 45 minutes to explain why a harsh sentence should not be imposed, but the convicted terror plotter instead used the time to explain his religious beliefs.

"I have not and I will not request any sentence," said Sadequee. "It does not matter to me. I submit to no one's authority but to the authority of God."

Sadequee's friend Syed Haris Ahmed, a former student at Georgia Tech University, was sentenced to 13 years for conspiring to provide material support for terrorism in the US. ………………………

AFP via Google

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Dec 2009 16:18

Going by the statements emanating from Pak's military experts,like shipping ministers and other unworthies,all blaming India,Mossad et al for their terrorist attack woes,it is evident that they are preparing the ground for future major terrorist attacks in India,so that an Indian response,diplomatic or military is inevitable,which will allow them to "drop" the Taliban ball and yet again revert back to their age old habits of waging proxy war against India and have the rump of their forces on the Indian border.The tale of 12 Talibunnies inside India and "closed door meetings" could indicate that mischief is afoot.This probably a deal that the Paki uniformed tribes ahve cut with "their" Taliban,that the heat is too much for them both and that they must deflect the heat onto their avowed enemies,the US and India.The shrill ranting and ravings from the "ministerial gallery " of Pak is a red light to us to keep all hatches battened and prepare for the worst.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Dec 2009 16:27

arun wrote:X Posted.

Indulging in the national pastime of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, namely Islamic Terrorism, gets two Pakistani origin US citizens jail time:

US-Pakistanis jailed for video terror plot

AFP via Google

Once a barbaric animal, always a barbaric animal. Changing passports makes no difference. But it is amazing the judge not only was intelligent enough to get to the crux of the Pakbarian's animalism but also had the courage to say it

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Dec 2009 16:30

Philip wrote:Going by the statements emanating from Pak's military experts,like shipping ministers and other unworthies,all blaming India,Mossad et al for their terrorist attack woes,

At least the Pakbarian was smart enough to say that he will not submit evidence to India but to others. Our idiots on the other hand send dossier after dossier to these animals, thereby giving the impression that TSP govt is not involved and will investigate.... All they are gonna do is to get a good laugh once the Indians go away...and use it as toilet paper.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Dec 2009 16:35

10 meet their 72 in Dera Ghazi Khan (wherever that s.thole is)...some action after a long break...at this rate one business will do well in TSP - that of used motor cars...there being so much demand from bombers...

http://www.geo.tv/12-15-2009/54796.htm

UPDATE:

Dawn says it is 15 now...

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... khan-qs-09

By their own admission this city hosts several 'hard-line' schools...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Dec 2009 16:46

Suppiah wrote:10 meet their 72 in Dera Ghazi Khan (wherever that s.thole is)......

That is in Southern Punjab where Pakistan and the Punjab Government continue to claim jannat is located, milk & honey flows and absolute peace reigns. For the kufr, however, it has been clear for a long time, that these areas are in the severe grip of AQAM.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Dec 2009 17:00

Calling a spade a spade

Racist comments mar third Pakistan-New Zealand Test

The third test match between Pakistan and New Zealand was marred by racist comments when spectators seated in a corporate box called the Pakistan team members ‘Pakistani terrorists,’ the website Stuff.co.nz reported.

Mark Tremain, son of a Napier Member of Parliament, along with his 17 friends allegedly made the comments about the visiting side while seated in a corporate box at the McLean Park on the second day (December 12) of the match.

So, now it's official.

RamaP · Post by **RamaP** » 15 Dec 2009 17:08

Hmmm... Dera Ghazi Khan is apparently one of the poorest places in South Punjab. It is also one of the most radical places as well....... And finally, this place also hosts an Uranium enrichment plant for nuclear weapons. Taliban apparently made inroads in this place earlier this year..... Looks like Amrikhan's surge strategy is working perfectly in TSP.... Looks like the TTP has managed to discard a Pashtun only organization and is now recruiting South Punjabi youths.This conflict is looking more like Mao's class war against Chinese nationalists in 1930s. But this time, there is a religious overtone and nuclear weapons added to the equation...

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Dec 2009 17:13

Abracadabra!
It's Shura Time! Quetta, that's where.
(also, first reported by Vivek)

And quite suddenly not only is there a Quetta shura, large as life itself, it has also been ‘significantly damaged’ by Pakistan’s security forces! Now, all of this must have happened in one day flat, for everyone and Charlie’s Aunt were going blue in the face till three days ago, and for months now, telling us there was no such thing: that it was a figment of the Americans’ imagination and of those the ‘Ghairat Lobby’ calls traitors and friends of the Hindu/Christian/Jewish lobby.

That it was one more brick in the Americans’ case for taking out our bombs through Blackwater.

All I, for one, got for my pains were rude and threatening emails from the ‘Ghairat (honour) Lobby’ and its paid handmaidens. Does he mean, Madamemoiselle Shrileen or Madame Marvi?

Why do we do this to ourselves? Why do we repeatedly shoot ourselves in the foot with an elephant gun every third day, can anyone please tell me? What is it with us, for God’s sake, that makes us portray ourselves as so many jokers and clowns before the rest of the world? Yes, please tell us, why? Why?, Why?

Why do we repeatedly make a spectacle of ourselves so that the world laughs at us? Because, if you laugh, the world laughs with you. If you ***** and moan, the world laughs at you

Our country is in very deep trouble, my friends, very serious trouble indeed. No sh1t, Sherlock!

We are fishing in greatly troubled waters please believe me; deep and very dangerous waters, when we turn away from the world and try to make believe that we are God’s gift to mankind and that wisdom resides in us alone.

(A) democratic Pakistan was always the better choice for India to do business with, the Indian government was not reciprocating the messages of amity sent by President Zardari.

We must remember that soldiers are young and impressionable; we must see if every effort is being made to ensure that their young minds are not being tainted by those same visions of heaven that we saw lately in our press: rolling, green hills with rivers of milk flowing through them, a houri (her face blanked out, of course) standing by the bank of one. Sir, are you now questioning the raisin d'itr of pooki existence?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 15 Dec 2009 17:19

Suppiah wrote: Dawn says it is 15

20 people dead and 60 injured

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 15 Dec 2009 17:26

Porki middle class
A slice and dice review.

More than any other section of society, the middle class is ideologically oriented in the two domains of religion and nationalism. It adheres to scriptural Islam as opposed to syncretic Islam. It supports the madressah-oriented written tradition as opposed to the shrine-based oral tradition of Islam. It is pan-Islamic in its vision. It seeks the unity of the Muslim world and upholds a dichotomous worldview based on conflict between Islam and the West. Secondly, the middle class supersedes all other classes in its nationalist framework of thought, which operates essentially in negative terms. In six decades, it has projected nationalism in the context of the perceived enemies of the nation. It has been all along anti-Indian, anti-Soviet Union in the first four decades and anti-American in the last two decades. It is also anti-communist and anti-secular.

That just about sums the porki "thinking" class (I know, that term itself is an oxymoron).

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Dec 2009 17:26

anupmisra wrote:Abracadabra!

(A) democratic Pakistan was always the better choice for India to do business with, the Indian government was not reciprocating the messages of amity sent by President Zardari.

Is he talking about the ones sent by boat to Mumbai?

BTW now the tally is 21...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Dec 2009 17:39

Is there a Taliban connection to the biggest bank heist in Pakistan on Sunday ?

Investigators suspect the involvement of the Taliban and other militant groups in the country’s biggest bank heist, in which a private security guard along with his companions robbed foreign currency worth Rs 311 million . . .

According to sources, the investigators believe members of militant groups from the tribal areas of the country, after coming to the city, have joined security agencies to work as private guards in various banks, companies, streets and houses.

“Their prime aim is to rob banks and finance their organisations,” said the sources “The Taliban and other militants have robbed banks in the past and some of them were arrested as well.”

Sindh Special Home Secretary Collin Kamran Dost, when contacted, confirmed the investigators’ suspicion and said the prime suspect of the robbery, Shahid, was a Pakhtoon and all his documents were fake, suggesting that he joined the security company only to rob the bank and finance his militant organisation.

“There is no doubt the Taliban and other militant outfits have dispatched their members to the city to rob banks, money changers and others from which they can finance their organisations easily,” said the special home secretary.

Quoting my own post

That is one way the Taliban are getting their money. This is a common occurrence in Karachi especially.

Trade in gemstones from the Shangla mines in Swat, trading in marble and granite from the Zirarat quarry in Mohmand, drug trafficking, smuggling of antiquities, foodgrains and diesel, illegal timber trade, illegal collection of tax (ushr), donations from wealthy Arabs in the Middle East and Western Europe, robbing of banks in other parts of Pakistan, extortion, theft of American supplies on the Peshawar-Kabul highway, weapons trade, kidnappings for ransom, ‘protection payments’ from Afghan and Western subcontractors, ‘hawala’ transactions are the other ways the Taliban make their money. Of course, the ISI & PA give them funds, arms and ammunition besides manpower for tactical planning etc.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Dec 2009 17:48

Pakistan never ceases to amaze, even when we think it could not go any further down. Now, the Interior Ministry says that AQ Khan is provided security against American Blackwater operating within the country !

The government provided foolproof security to Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan considering the law and order situation, including the attack on the military’s General Headquarters and reports of the presence of US private security firm Blackwater in the country, the Interior Ministry’s counsel submitted to the Lahore High Court on Monday.

And that too, reported presence of Blackwater !