Using your logic, pakis should be called khushboosDilbu wrote:We call Aussie cricketers 'Kangaroos' and Newzealanders 'Kiwis' because these are commonly present icons of their country for the global mango abdul. By that logic 'terrorist' is a very apt name for people representing TS of P. One is okay and other is racist, hainji? Why the double standards and discrimination I ask?
terrorism is more aptly paki national sport.His Excellency's date seems to be a year later. Was it shraadh or jumbled brain ("Thinking of you jumbles up my brain" - Lobo) or was there another 'fall' that we did not know of?pgbhat wrote:December 16 ---- Tayyab Siddiqui
It was a cold morning on December 17, 1972, when I as per routine entered the embassy. I saw hundreds of Sri Lankans sitting on the sprawling lawns. I went upstairs to inform the high commissioner of the presence of hundreds of Sri Lankans. In a brusque official tone he asked me to meet them. The 500 or so Muslims led by Sir Abubakar Fareed, who later served in Islamabad as Sri Lanka high commissioner, were sobbing and crying over the Dhaka surrender -- loss they could not bear.
Haven't watched complete video yet, but took liberty to link on BR-Facebook.Let me guess who these outside forces funding, directing, equipping and training terrorists operating in Kashmir and India who are neither people of India and Pakistani areDilbu wrote:Pak, India must talk about Kashmir, everything: Clinton"So we've encouraged both Pakistan and India to resume that dialogue and to talk about everything, including Kashmir, because now the security of both countries is threatened by these forces of extremism."
"And I believe that a lot of these terrorist groups are funded, directed, equipped, and trained by outside forces, not people from Pakistan, not people from India, but people who wish to see the two countries at - in conflict, and I think that is so critical to avoid.And the only way to avoid it is by getting back into a dialogue," Clinton said.
In another interview with Watandost.com, she said an international effort by US, China and European Union could at best be a guarantor but an impetus for a dialogue must come from the two countries themselves.
:Sorry boss, unlikely that they are either Martians or Jupiterians.Gagan wrote:Indeed,
perhaps they are
Martians?
Jupiterians?
and "Non-State Actors" unless "Non-State Actors" happen to be robots .By that logic, people can call Indian's, Sri Lankans and the African countries "beggars" - not trying to start a flame war, but it is reasonable to expect a measure of matureness from both the BRFites and the audience of a cricket game.Hari Seldon wrote:Times Now reporting that TSP team playing a test in NZ faced 'racial abuse' by spectators.
Deeper probing reveals that an NZ MP, his son and their friends were drunk and started chanting 'Pakistani terrorists' at the TSP team.
Somehow, I don't see what is racial about 'Pakistani terrorists' but Sri Zaheer Abbas seems all upset and indignant about H&D loss. The spectators defense IMHO would be that since half the TSP team is flowing beards anyway, pray what is one limey mite supposed to think?
Iran presents evidence of Pakistan's links with Jundallah
Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:18:43 GMT
A senior Iranian official says Iran has presented evidence to Islamabad that shows links between Pakistani intelligence services and the Jundallah terrorist group.
Ebrahim Hamidi, the director of the Sistan-Baluchistan provincial justice department, said the documents were based on confessions obtained from Abdolmalek Rigi's brother Abdolhamid, who is currently in prison in Iran. …………………
Press TV, Iran
they were/are already calling us all that. What is new ?By that logic, people can call Indian's, Sri Lankans and the African countries "beggars"
I liked the part where firing breaks out and the shell-shocked Pakjabi coward goes "Arrey?!"......the accompanying "Duh!" by the video author was quite fitting.shiv wrote:Cross posting for maximum visibility (please excuse)
Mumbai 26/11- Making Allah do Pakistan's work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-35hzc8PQ4
A suicide car bomb exploded in a market outside the home of the Punjab chief minister’s senior adviser, Zulfiqar Khosa in Dera Ghazi Khan on Tuesday, killing 33 people and wounding 60 others.
The attacker detonated his explosives outside Khosa’s house, who was not at home at the time.
A witness, Naeem, said a white-coloured car reached the gate of Khosa’s house and exploded, APP reported.
The attacker had packed the car with about 900 pounds (400 kilogrammes) of explosives, senior police officer Muhammad Rizwan said.
Zulfiqar Khosa’s son, Dost Muhammad Khosa, said two of his cousins were among the wounded.
“It was a direct attack on us,” Dost alleged, declining to speculate who was behind the blast.
Found the mention that Punjabi’s are not dominant in the officer corps of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan surprising. Is that correctWill There Always Be a Pakistan?
Fissures within the military could tear not just the army but the entire country apart. It's coming sooner than you think.
BY SETH CROPSEY | DECEMBER 11, 2009 …………………….
Pakistan's military -- the lynchpin keeping the chaotic whole together -- isn't getting stronger. It's threatening to fracture from within. And today's fractures may well turn into tomorrow's chaos. …………………..
Signs are emerging that this is far from a unified military, with widening splits between secular and religious officers as well as problems among different Islamic sects. With official encouragement, for example, some Sunni officers have decided to grow out their beards, while Shiite officers are markedly absent from Sunni-led prayers.
In Pakistan, all this means more than just a troubled fighting force. The Army is rightly seen as the country's strongest institution -- the glue that holds the state together. Though not officially in power, the military has a strong hold over the civilian government and retains de facto veto power over much that gets done. If infighting weakens or shatters the military's cohesion, the implications for the future of the state itself are dire. …………………….
:Read it All:In the military, Punjabis predominate in the enlisted ranks while Pashtuns and Mujahirs fill most officer posts.
:I guess the fact that the “Martial Pakistani Muslim’s” so readily surrendered sticks in Pakistani craws and needs the fiction that the whole world was against Pakistan to provide a fig leaf for preserving the tattered shreds of the national ego.Forced surrender in 1971
Published: December 16, 2009
TARIQ MAJEED
The political chaos in 1971 culminating in secession of Pakistan's Eastern Wing was the result of a plan executed jointly by USA, Israel, Britain, India and former Soviet Union. Its mastermind was the Zionist International Jewry that controls the power centres in these countries through its entrenched lobbies. The plan could not have succeeded without the active participation of a treacherous gang of some civil and military leaders within Pakistan.
:Where else but from the Dr. Shireen Mazari edited Nation:East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, may still one day rejoin with the parent country.
They thought they could have won if they kept fighting?10. How did the young officer view the 1950 ’Pindi Conspiracy Case ?
The conspiracy came as a surprise but all of us understood that it was a natural reaction against the abrupt ceasefire in the Kashmir War.
He is right..they were just calling the Pakbarian animals the way they should be called - terrorists. It is not an issue of race at all.Nayak wrote:Pakistan team racially abused in New Zealand
http://sports.in.msn.com/cricket/articl ... id=3484381
However, Pakistan manager Abdul Raqeeb said that he and his players didn't hear any racist remarks.
A_Gupta, which interview are you referring to ?A_Gupta wrote:In that infamous interview with Naseerullah Babar, "Remembering our Warriors - Babar the Great"
They thought they could have won if they kept fighting?10. How did the young officer view the 1950 ’Pindi Conspiracy Case ?
The conspiracy came as a surprise but all of us understood that it was a natural reaction against the abrupt ceasefire in the Kashmir War.
By striking repeatedly in recent weeks with seeming impunity, the Pakistani Taliban are winning an all-important propaganda war here, the official said, by conveying a reach and strength that may be greater than the group’s real capacities, the official said
“The psychological message they’re trying to transmit is, ‘Yes, you the Pakistani Army, you can throw three infantry divisions at South Waziristan, and look what I can still do,’ ” said the American Embassy official
American officials say that many of the Pakistani Taliban’s top leaders have eluded the offensive, moving north to conduct their operations from parts of the tribal areas like Khyber, Kurram and Orakzai.
...insurgency is a battle of perception.”
Known as the gateway to Punjab, Dera Ghazi Khan is strategically located and borders both the North-West Frontier Province and Baluchistan Province. Recently, concern has grown that Al Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban, which are based in the tribal regions, are using Dera Ghazi Khan as a route to make inroads in Punjab, the country’s most populous province.
People got panic-stricken when a gas cylinder exploded at Chohar Chawk area of Rawalpindi, Geo News reported Wednesday.
And I believe that a lot of these terrorist groups are funded, directed, equipped, and trained by outside forces, not people from Pakistan, not people from India, but people who wish to see the two countries at - in conflict, and I think that is so critical to avoid.
SSridhar wrote:Pakistan Army & CIA are the threats to the Democratic Government: Federal lawyer in Supreme CourtThe differences between Pakistan’s civilian government and its all powerful military spilled out in the open on Monday with a lawyer representing the government telling the Supreme Court that the army and an American intelligence agency posed a threat to the country’s democracy.
Later, Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani called on Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani. It was an unscheduled meeting, and came after he had already met the Prime Minister once before in the day along with the visiting U.S. Centcom chief, General David Petraeus.
A stunned full court, comprising all 17 functioning judges, heard from Kamal Azfar, a senior lawyer representing the federal government in the NRO case, that the elected government feared destabilisation by the Pakistan Army and the Central Intelligence Agency.
The lawyer, a former Governor of the Sindh province, last week filed an application on behalf of the government . . .
At Monday’s hearing, the court repeatedly quizzed Mr. Azfar about the government’s apprehensions. At first the lawyer said there were “extra-constitutional” forces within and outside Pakistan.
But asked to clarify the statement, the lawyer said: “If you want me to be open, the danger is from CIA and GHQ [General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army]”.
The court wanted Mr. Azfar to give it in writing, but appearing to backtrack somewhat, he said these were his personal views.
But observers see the statement as a surprisingly open admission of differences between Pakistan’s civilian dispensation and the military, with potentially damaging consequences for the already embattled government.
Wednesday, December 16, 2009
Taliban actual threat to democracy, Azfar tells SC
Govt’s attorney alters statement made on Monday, claims he had said General Headquarters had destabilised system in past
Staff Report
ISLAMABAD: An attorney for the federal government – Barrister Kamal Azfar – on Tuesday altered a statement he made in the Supreme Court on Monday, saying the actual threat to democracy was the Taliban, not the CIA and General Headquarters.
The latest statement is also markedly different from the lawyer’s comments on Thursday, wherein he said Pakistan was at a crossroads – with one road leading to destabilisation and the other to a sustained democracy.
Army chief: Azfar asked the court to expunge the para on General Headquarters from the statement, and claimed he had said General Headquarters had been destabilising democracy in the past. He said, “I know that the current army chief is a gentleman,” he said. …………………..
Daily Times
all to keep the abduls confused onlee and prevent building up of revolutionary zeal against the "establishment"Yet another flipflop by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Kamal Azfar, a senior Barrister practising in the Supreme Court is a constitutional lawyer, a close friend of Asif Zardari and an ex-Governor of the Sind. He would not have made the statements casually. Gen. Kiyani met Gilani after the Supreme Court stunner came out in the open. Immediately thereafter, Gilani issued a statement chiding the lawyer. Barrister Kamal Azfar has therefore decided to water down the statement today. However, he still maintained that though the present COAS incumbent is a 'gentleman', the GHQ had been interfering earlier.arun wrote:Yet another flipflop by the Government of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Yesterday the CIA and the Pakistan Army (GHQ) were the threats to democracy in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Today neither the CIA nor GHQ are threats to democracy in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan :
Taliban actual threat to democracy, Azfar tells SC
Gawadur, Pakistan’s coastal town near the Iranian border, to realize the scale of the smuggling. In the market there, locals can buy everything from frozen chickens to crockery from Iran. Carried on pick-up trucks that drive up and down the flat, hard beach connecting the two countries along the coast, there are virtually no restrictions on this trade placed by either country.
hmm if pick ups can ply so easily why not some armour from an LPDIn Baluchistan , the petrol sold is usually from Iran, smuggled across in tankers, as it’s cheaper because of subsidies compared to Pakistan’s heavily taxed petroleum products.
An unnerving thing happened the other day. I was invited to a friend’s house for a cup of tea. There I met two people: one, who currently works at the US embassy, had fought with the Al Badrs, a religious killing squad that allied with Pakistan during the Liberation War in 1971. The other is the head of English in one of Dhaka’s universities, and his brother narrowly escaped being executed by the very man who now sat across the table from him.
The men did not recognise each other at first, not until they both introduced themselves to me. I was the penny, and when it dropped, the atmosphere became, for lack of a better word, ‘unfriendly.’ The ex-Al Badr made a dash for the door. The professor, blood curdled, partly with shock but mostly with rage, summoned up the courage to explain why.
During the Liberation, the professor’s brother had been working as an artist, a trade which the Al-Badrs considered to be anti-Islam and hence anti-Pakistan. In the dying stages of the war, just days before liberation, the professor’s brother found himself at the mercy of the ‘killing squad.’ Many others around the country – including intellectuals, Hindus, artists – considered to be progressive and pro-liberation had already been hunted down and executed by these pro-Pakistan squads. However, after independence, only a handful of these killers were caught and most escaped, never to face trial.
‘I am still groping in the dark, especially after the statement of federal government’s counsel Kamal Azfar that there is some lurking menace. I do not comprehend because nothing is forthcoming from the government’s side.
‘Tell us if the GHQ (General Headquarters) is doing something. Then we can pass a restraining order
‘We should not be left guessing,’ the judge said, adding that there was a manner to remove the president through impeachment process. He assured the government that the Supreme Court would be the last institution to impinge on the rights of parliament.