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Press release of the US State Department from a fortnight ago ie: December 3, 2009.
The Islamic Republic of Pakistan seems to have reverted true to type and continued its terrorist friendly policies by releasing 4 of the hijackers of Pan Am 73 in January 2008 without any fanfare so as to make their recapture and sentencing to fresh jail terms more in keeping with the heinousness of their crime difficult.
It will be recalled that the hijack of Pan Am 73 at Karachi resulted in 20 deaths many of them Indian and included Neerja Bhanot who for outstanding heroism that day was awarded the Ashok Chakra, our highest award for gallantry in peace time.
The hijack leader Zaid Hassan Abd Latif Safarini served a derisory 14 year sentence in Pakistan and on completion of the sentence was “captured” by the FBI and brought to the US where he was given a fresh 160 year prison term.
This time around it seems the Islamic Republic of Pakistan reverted true to type and released the terrorists without fanfare so as to give the hijackers time to make good their escape.
See here:
Rewards for Justice - Reward Offer for Pan Am Flight 73 Hijackers
Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Militants attack concert, kill four in Khyber Agency
BARA: As many as four people were killed and 27 others were injured when unidentified militants hurled grenades at the participants of a music concert in Khyber Agency, the political administration officials said. They said the concert was held at Shah Kas area in Jamrud tehsil. Meanwhile, security forces arrested 25 suspected militants, including a commander, Syed Noor, during a search operation in Shalober, Qamberkhel and Akakhel.
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?pa ... 009_pg7_10
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Worth a watch. "Niazi" looks sad and lost.Jarita wrote:Funny enactment by kids of 1971 creation of Bangladesh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R_3vmViFrw&feature=fvw
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
A Former Pow of 16Dec 1971 certify Paki Retardness. When one call can make them wet their pants and he still hallucinate of Paki bargaining capacity.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213733
An unequal partnership?
TIkram Shikram
US seems endlessly to find fault with Pakistan despite our many more sacrifices, suffering military and civilian casualties at more than a 10:1 ratio. Does it serve US interests to threaten Pakistan time and again unless it "does more"? We can never be equals and Pakistan has more to lose because it cannot walk away from the region as the US has done before. Pakistan's greater stake evens the imbalance of this relationship. For the new Obama Doctrine to succeed the US must understand that the roads to peace literally give through Peshawar and Quetta.
Far more effort is being put into Afghanistan (at the present moment a ratio of more than 30 to 1 in $ cost) than in Pakistan. For the Obama Doctrine to succeed the "on-off" temporary relationship must have more permanence. An effective partnership can only be formed if the US can gain the confidence of the people of Pakistan that the relationship has long-term benefits, and that the US will sustain it. Any partnership that is unequal has the element of failure inherent and no amount of rhetoric can paper over the imbalances in such a relationship.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213733
An unequal partnership?
TIkram Shikram
US seems endlessly to find fault with Pakistan despite our many more sacrifices, suffering military and civilian casualties at more than a 10:1 ratio. Does it serve US interests to threaten Pakistan time and again unless it "does more"? We can never be equals and Pakistan has more to lose because it cannot walk away from the region as the US has done before. Pakistan's greater stake evens the imbalance of this relationship. For the new Obama Doctrine to succeed the US must understand that the roads to peace literally give through Peshawar and Quetta.
Far more effort is being put into Afghanistan (at the present moment a ratio of more than 30 to 1 in $ cost) than in Pakistan. For the Obama Doctrine to succeed the "on-off" temporary relationship must have more permanence. An effective partnership can only be formed if the US can gain the confidence of the people of Pakistan that the relationship has long-term benefits, and that the US will sustain it. Any partnership that is unequal has the element of failure inherent and no amount of rhetoric can paper over the imbalances in such a relationship.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
An Unequal Partnership
Goes to prove all Pakistani 'strategic analysts' are dimwits and duds.
Goes to prove all Pakistani 'strategic analysts' are dimwits and duds.
. . . All of Afghanistan's neighbours put together cannot match Pakistan's interaction. Pakistan's legitimate concerns are far more cogent than India's. . . There are lingering suspicions in Pakistan that since US and Indian interests (along with those of Israel) coincide about de-fanging our nuclear potential, the US was consciously helping the Indians cut us down to size. . . . The US must upgrade the quality of the Pakistani Armed Forces {Look at the arrogant demand. Everybody is expected to help Pakistan and nobody should expect Pakistan to behave responsibly.}. . . . Steps must be taken to bring us out of the "nuclear cold," giving us the same parity as the US nuclear accord with India. We cannot be a responsible nuclear nation if we have to depend upon clandestine sources to sustain our nuclear potential!{Really this takes the cake. This is the best and most well reasoned argument one would have heard in a long, long time. The author himself could not believe what he was writing and so put an exclamation mark at the end} . . . The US seems endlessly to find fault with Pakistan despite our many more sacrifices, suffering military and civilian casualties at more than a 10:1 ratio.{The 10:1 ratio is now being applied within the land of the Pure itself. What a turnaround for poor Pakistan. Goes to prove that Allah had never been as kind to Pakistanis as he has been to the kufr}. . . . Far more effort is being put into Afghanistan (at the present moment a ratio of more than 30 to 1 in $ cost) than in Pakistan.{Pakistanis don't hesitate to compare themselves with anybody while begging. Isn't Pakistan a nuclear power compared to lowly Afghanistan ? }
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
SSridhar wrote:We cannot be a responsible nuclear nation if we have to depend upon clandestine sources to sustain our nuclear potential!
Bakis are one of a kind. You can't even make this kind of stuff up!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
http://www.ndtv.com/news/world/us_diplo ... kistan.php
This is the Bakis way of getting back on the yankees!Pakistani military and intelligence services are mounting what American officials here describe as a campaign to harass American diplomats, ........
The campaign includes the refusal to extend or approve visas for more than 100 American officials and the frequent searches of American diplomatic vehicles in major cities, .........
American helicopters used by Pakistan to fight militants can no longer be serviced because visas for 14 American mechanics have not been approved, the diplomat said.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Pakistan Reported to Be Harassing U.S. Diplomats
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Parts of the Pakistani military and intelligence services are mounting what American officials here describe as a campaign to harass American diplomats, fraying relations at a critical moment when the Obama administration is demanding more help to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
The campaign includes the refusal to extend or approve visas for more than 100 American officials and the frequent searches of American diplomatic vehicles in major cities, said an American official briefed on the cases.
The problems affected military attachés, C.I.A. officers, development experts, junior level diplomats and others, a senior American diplomat said. As a result, some American aid programs to Pakistan, which President Obama has called a critical ally, are “grinding to a halt,” the diplomat said.
American helicopters used by Pakistan to fight militants can no longer be serviced because visas for 14 American mechanics have not been approved, the diplomat said. Reimbursements to Pakistan of nearly $1 billion a year for counterterrorism have been suspended because the last of the American Embassy’s five accountants left the country this week after his visa expired.
“There’s an incredible disconnect between what they want of us and the fact we can’t get the visas,” the diplomat said.
Pakistani officials acknowledged the situation but said the menacing atmosphere resulted from American arrogance and provocations, like taking photographs in sensitive areas, and a lack of understanding of how divided Pakistanis were about the alliance with the United States.
American and Pakistani officials declined to be identified while speaking about the issues because of their senior positions and the desire not to further inflame tensions.
The campaign comes after months of rising anti-American sentiment here and complaints by the military that the government of President Asif Ali Zardari has grown too dependent on a new $7.5 billion, five-year aid plan from Washington.
It also appears to be an attempt to blunt the planned expansion of the United States Embassy to 800 Americans from 500 in the next 18 months, growth that American officials say is necessary to channel the expanded American assistance.
“They don’t want more Americans here,” another American diplomat said. “They’re not sure what the Americans are doing. It’s pretty pervasive.”
The harassment has grown so frequent that American officials said they viewed it as a concerted effort by parts of the military and intelligence services that had grown resentful of American demands to step up the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Though the United States has been sending large amounts of military assistance to the Pakistani Army, and helping its premier spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, the campaign shows the ambivalence, even “hatred” toward the United States in those quarters, the American official said.
A Pakistani security official, who has kept a tally of many of the incidents, was not sympathetic, saying the Americans had brought on the problems.
“Unfortunately, the Americans are arrogant,” the Pakistani security official said. “They think of themselves as omnipotent. That’s how they come across.”
For instance, he said, the Pakistani police were not harassing American diplomats as they drove up to checkpoints, but rather were responding to provocations by American officials.
He cited a recent report in some Pakistani newspapers that an American diplomat had been taking photographs in a military area of the city of Lahore.
The reports were false, an American Embassy spokesman said. He said the suspected diplomat, a technical support officer, was not carrying a camera.
In another instance, the Pakistani security official said, Americans in an S.U.V. last week fled after the police tried to search their car at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Islamabad, the capital.
The embassy spokesman denied that Americans had fled the checkpoint. “Nonsense, diplomats don’t run away,” he said.
The searching of American diplomatic vehicles at the many checkpoints in the cities has become one of the biggest irritants.
Because diplomatic license plates registered to the embassy would provide an easy target for militants, the Americans reached an accord some time ago with Pakistan’s government that their official plates would be carried inside the car, the spokesman said.
But the absence of plates left the American cars vulnerable to searches at checkpoints, he said. Under international conventions diplomatic cars are not subject to searches, and American diplomats were instructed not to permit searches beyond opening the trunk, the spokesman said.
The Pakistani security official said, “We are in a state of war that calls for extraordinary measures.” His vehicle is searched every morning he goes to the office in Islamabad, and Americans should expect the same, he said.
He also said the Americans should not be surprised about the visa problem. But the issue is now affecting Pakistan’s own interests, American officials said.
At least 135 American diplomats have been refused extensions on their visas, the senior American diplomat said, leaving some sections of the embassy operating at 60 percent of capacity.
One of the most harmful consequences, the diplomat said, is the scaling back of helicopter missions by the Frontier Corps paramilitary troops fighting the Taliban because of a lack of trained American mechanics.
Much of the heightened suspicions about American diplomats appears to revolve around persistent stories in the Pakistani press about the presence of the American security company Blackwater, now called Xe Services, in Pakistan.
The embassy has denied that Xe operates in Pakistan. But those statements have collided with reports that Xe operatives worked for the C.I.A. to load missiles onto drones used to kill Qaeda militants in the tribal areas.
The public distrust toward American officials has led many American diplomats to keep a low profile, and adopt a bunker mentality, American diplomats acknowledge. Americans are warned by security advisers to steer clear of restaurants and shopping areas.
The skittishness between the sides was put aside Wednesday when the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, was taken on a helicopter tour of the South Waziristan tribal area by the Pakistani Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, to show what the Pakistanis had achieved against the Taliban.
No Pakistani or American reporter was taken along, a sign the Pakistanis preferred to keep the American help there quiet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/world ... ml?_r=1&hp
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Parts of the Pakistani military and intelligence services are mounting what American officials here describe as a campaign to harass American diplomats, fraying relations at a critical moment when the Obama administration is demanding more help to fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
The campaign includes the refusal to extend or approve visas for more than 100 American officials and the frequent searches of American diplomatic vehicles in major cities, said an American official briefed on the cases.
The problems affected military attachés, C.I.A. officers, development experts, junior level diplomats and others, a senior American diplomat said. As a result, some American aid programs to Pakistan, which President Obama has called a critical ally, are “grinding to a halt,” the diplomat said.
American helicopters used by Pakistan to fight militants can no longer be serviced because visas for 14 American mechanics have not been approved, the diplomat said. Reimbursements to Pakistan of nearly $1 billion a year for counterterrorism have been suspended because the last of the American Embassy’s five accountants left the country this week after his visa expired.
“There’s an incredible disconnect between what they want of us and the fact we can’t get the visas,” the diplomat said.
Pakistani officials acknowledged the situation but said the menacing atmosphere resulted from American arrogance and provocations, like taking photographs in sensitive areas, and a lack of understanding of how divided Pakistanis were about the alliance with the United States.
American and Pakistani officials declined to be identified while speaking about the issues because of their senior positions and the desire not to further inflame tensions.
The campaign comes after months of rising anti-American sentiment here and complaints by the military that the government of President Asif Ali Zardari has grown too dependent on a new $7.5 billion, five-year aid plan from Washington.
It also appears to be an attempt to blunt the planned expansion of the United States Embassy to 800 Americans from 500 in the next 18 months, growth that American officials say is necessary to channel the expanded American assistance.
“They don’t want more Americans here,” another American diplomat said. “They’re not sure what the Americans are doing. It’s pretty pervasive.”
The harassment has grown so frequent that American officials said they viewed it as a concerted effort by parts of the military and intelligence services that had grown resentful of American demands to step up the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Though the United States has been sending large amounts of military assistance to the Pakistani Army, and helping its premier spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, the campaign shows the ambivalence, even “hatred” toward the United States in those quarters, the American official said.
A Pakistani security official, who has kept a tally of many of the incidents, was not sympathetic, saying the Americans had brought on the problems.
“Unfortunately, the Americans are arrogant,” the Pakistani security official said. “They think of themselves as omnipotent. That’s how they come across.”
For instance, he said, the Pakistani police were not harassing American diplomats as they drove up to checkpoints, but rather were responding to provocations by American officials.
He cited a recent report in some Pakistani newspapers that an American diplomat had been taking photographs in a military area of the city of Lahore.
The reports were false, an American Embassy spokesman said. He said the suspected diplomat, a technical support officer, was not carrying a camera.
In another instance, the Pakistani security official said, Americans in an S.U.V. last week fled after the police tried to search their car at a checkpoint on the outskirts of Islamabad, the capital.
The embassy spokesman denied that Americans had fled the checkpoint. “Nonsense, diplomats don’t run away,” he said.
The searching of American diplomatic vehicles at the many checkpoints in the cities has become one of the biggest irritants.
Because diplomatic license plates registered to the embassy would provide an easy target for militants, the Americans reached an accord some time ago with Pakistan’s government that their official plates would be carried inside the car, the spokesman said.
But the absence of plates left the American cars vulnerable to searches at checkpoints, he said. Under international conventions diplomatic cars are not subject to searches, and American diplomats were instructed not to permit searches beyond opening the trunk, the spokesman said.
The Pakistani security official said, “We are in a state of war that calls for extraordinary measures.” His vehicle is searched every morning he goes to the office in Islamabad, and Americans should expect the same, he said.
He also said the Americans should not be surprised about the visa problem. But the issue is now affecting Pakistan’s own interests, American officials said.
At least 135 American diplomats have been refused extensions on their visas, the senior American diplomat said, leaving some sections of the embassy operating at 60 percent of capacity.
One of the most harmful consequences, the diplomat said, is the scaling back of helicopter missions by the Frontier Corps paramilitary troops fighting the Taliban because of a lack of trained American mechanics.
Much of the heightened suspicions about American diplomats appears to revolve around persistent stories in the Pakistani press about the presence of the American security company Blackwater, now called Xe Services, in Pakistan.
The embassy has denied that Xe operates in Pakistan. But those statements have collided with reports that Xe operatives worked for the C.I.A. to load missiles onto drones used to kill Qaeda militants in the tribal areas.
The public distrust toward American officials has led many American diplomats to keep a low profile, and adopt a bunker mentality, American diplomats acknowledge. Americans are warned by security advisers to steer clear of restaurants and shopping areas.
The skittishness between the sides was put aside Wednesday when the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, was taken on a helicopter tour of the South Waziristan tribal area by the Pakistani Army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, to show what the Pakistanis had achieved against the Taliban.
No Pakistani or American reporter was taken along, a sign the Pakistanis preferred to keep the American help there quiet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/world ... ml?_r=1&hp
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
It certainly is not BS though it could be said that the figures are outdated.R_Kumar wrote:This is totally BS.Nayak wrote:If they don’t like us, take our money back
http://www.linncountynews.net/index.php ... Itemid=119
The more I hear about how other nations don’t like us, except for the money we give them to buy their "friendship," the more I feel an isolationist attitude would be a healthier position for our country to take.
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Egypt, for example, after voting 79 percent of the time against the United States, still receives $2 billion annually n U.S. Foreign Aid.
Jordan votes 71 percent against the United States and receives $192,814,000 annually in U.S. Foreign Aid.
Pakistan votes 75 percent against the United States and receives $6,721,000 annually in U.S. Foreign Aid.
India votes 81 percent against the United States and receives $143,699,000 annually.
Number for Pakistan don't look right. Three zero are missing
Question: Does India takes money from U.S? If yes then why?
It really is simply shocking that for all the talk by US President Obama of India being an “indispensable ally” the US has a very poor record of voting with India at the UN.
76.3% of the votes cast by the US in the UN in 2008 have been the opposite of that cast by India per statistics compiled by the US themselves.
Incidentally the aid figure shown for India is US $ 99.81 Million (Page 118) and for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is US $ 737.96 Million (Page 120).
As to why India takes the aid, I have no clue as it is so inconsequential an amount that it can be dispensed with altogether.
General Assembly – Overall Votes
The complete report can be accessed via this page:
Voting Practices in the United Nations 2008
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
All these years and Pakis cant even do basic repairs their helos? ( spare parts is a different matter)American helicopters used by Pakistan to fight militants can no longer be serviced because visas for 14 American mechanics have not been approved, the diplomat said. Reimbursements to Pakistan of nearly $1 billion a year for counterterrorism have been suspended because the last of the American Embassy’s five accountants left the country this week after his visa expired.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Pakis cant make Bi-cycle by themselves you think they can service helis? All pakis have done in last
60years is to be Who@re of largest bidder. I wouldnt be surprise if they stole sitara technology from
taller than mountain friends.
Pakis are burden on rest of humanity.
60years is to be Who@re of largest bidder. I wouldnt be surprise if they stole sitara technology from
taller than mountain friends.
Pakis are burden on rest of humanity.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Why? What is the problem? PA new Pakistan can be created in Arabia for instance? Pakistan can walk away from the region. Pakistan is a concept remember? An idea. Not a nation.Prem wrote: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=213733
An unequal partnership?
TIkram Shikram
Pakistan has more to lose because it cannot walk away from the region
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
National bird of porkiland sighted in N Waziristan..
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-qs-03
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... stan-qs-03
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Its unkils gift, and most probably US has some clause which only allows them to service/repair the birdssum wrote:All these years and Pakis cant even do basic repairs their helos? ( spare parts is a different matter)American helicopters used by Pakistan to fight militants can no longer be serviced because visas for 14 American mechanics have not been approved, the diplomat said. Reimbursements to Pakistan of nearly $1 billion a year for counterterrorism have been suspended because the last of the American Embassy’s five accountants left the country this week after his visa expired.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
A radical empire looms
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia.html
The Indian can only survive if they stabiles Pakistan. Which mean s give them Kashmir. Did the American thought of this before 9/11?
It seems the Americans are heading for a humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. If only India would compromise with the terrorist state of Pakistan. It would help the Americans, to persuading the Paks to send more troops to eliminate the Taliban; Taliban who are an asset to Pakistan.
Once the Indian compromise with Pakistan, will India survive? Islam is not a new cult for the Indian.
Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and PakistanChina and the United States are becoming closer, and there is pro-Beijing sentiment in Nepal, Sri Lanka and Myanmar. If the new US policies allow Pakistan to increase its clout in Afghanistan, India could feel it is caught in a vice. However, Delhi should not rejoice if Afghanistan's anarchy spreads, since if Kabul and Islamabad fall, the vast "new India" that could emerge would face massive destabilization from radical Islamic elements. - - Francesco Sisci (
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia.html
The Indian can only survive if they stabiles Pakistan. Which mean s give them Kashmir. Did the American thought of this before 9/11?
It seems the Americans are heading for a humiliating defeat in Afghanistan. If only India would compromise with the terrorist state of Pakistan. It would help the Americans, to persuading the Paks to send more troops to eliminate the Taliban; Taliban who are an asset to Pakistan.
Once the Indian compromise with Pakistan, will India survive? Islam is not a new cult for the Indian.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
It is the Baki way of saying "erase all stoopid clauses in Kurry Langoor baksheesh"AdityaM wrote: This is the Bakis way of getting back on the yankees!
and do triple the amount.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
X-posting form china mil watch
China's "Underground Great Wall" and Nuclear Deterrence
guess where musharraf got the idea and expertise for a paki second strike capability using tunnels?
China's "Underground Great Wall" and Nuclear Deterrence
China Defense Daily (Zhongguo Guofang Bao), published a report that provided a rare glimpse into an underground tunnel that is being built by the Second Artillery Corps (SAC)—the PLA's strategic missile forces—in the mountainous regions of Hebei Province in northern China. The network of tunnels reportedly stretches for more than 3,107 miles
the main purpose of the underground tunnel is to provide the SAC with a credible second-strike capability. The building of an underground tunnel for this purpose is consistent with China's evolving nuclear doctrine from its traditional posture of "minimum deterrence" to a doctrine of "limited deterrence,"
http://www.jamestown.org/programs/china ... c8d240f2cdAccording to a military analyst cited by Hong Kong-based Ta Kung Pao, "the outermost layer is 1,000 meters [3,280 feet] deep and covered with soil that does not include any artificial reinforcements" (Ta Kung Pao, December 11; Xinhua News Agency, December 14). Moreover, the Chinese reports described the tunnel system in terms of "hard and deeply buried targets" (HDBTs), which typically refers to facilities a few hundred feet deep in "underground installations." In the of case of strategic nuclear missiles, it would mean that all preparations can be completed underground, and the transportation of missiles, equipments and personnel through a network of underground corridors by rail cars or heavy-duty trailers to fixed launch sites can not be detected from observations on the ground
guess where musharraf got the idea and expertise for a paki second strike capability using tunnels?
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Mohammed Waseem in the Dawn
More than any other section of society, the middle class is ideologically oriented in the two domains of religion and nationalism. It adheres to scriptural Islam as opposed to syncretic Islam. It supports the madressah-oriented written tradition as opposed to the shrine-based oral tradition of Islam. It is pan-Islamic in its vision. It seeks the unity of the Muslim world and upholds a dichotomous worldview based on conflict between Islam and the West. Secondly, the middle class supersedes all other classes in its nationalist framework of thought, which operates essentially in negative terms. In six decades, it has projected nationalism in the context of the perceived enemies of the nation. It has been all along anti-Indian, anti-Soviet Union in the first four decades and anti-American in the last two decades. It is also anti-communist and anti-secular.
The composition of the middle class has changed in two generations. Previously, it came from the impoverished aristocracy, politicians, the intelligentsia, lawyers, judges and public careerists of various kinds.
In recent decades, the professional middle classes — doctors, engineers, architects, accountants, corporate managers and information technologists among others — have been the descendants of military officers and bureaucrats in increasingly larger numbers. Their political outlook reflects their social background.
The middle class, most typically if not universally, hates democracy. Partition shaped the social, cultural, political and economic views of the emergent middle class along security-oriented lines and a state-centred rather than society-oriented policy framework.
This class lacks a social reformist vision and a public conscience. It distrusts the capacity and thus the right of what it considers the uneducated, irresponsible, superstitious and ‘primitive’ masses to exercise their vote and elect governments.
An absolute majority of the middle class is rightist in its collective thrust for policy and ideology. This includes: the moneyed right, i.e. the commercial elite committed to the preservation of the current privileged structures; the moral right, as the upholder of a conservative code of ethics; and the religious right, with its increasingly radical Islamic worldview. The rightist middle class, or parts of it, often served as a constituency of army rule in Pakistan.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
This argument is similar to the one where a paki says "We can't stop being rapists if you do not supply us women"tsriram wrote:SSridhar wrote:We cannot be a responsible nuclear nation if we have to depend upon clandestine sources to sustain our nuclear potential!
Bakis are one of a kind. You can't even make this kind of stuff up!
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Good take.
Afghanistan, Pakistan: Ingrates
By JOEL BRINKLEY
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/359/story/1233325.html
Afghanistan, Pakistan: Ingrates
By JOEL BRINKLEY
http://www.mercedsunstar.com/359/story/1233325.html
WASHINGTON -- By now everyone with an opinion about the viability of President Obama's new strategy in Afghanistan and Pakistan has proffered it to anyone who would listen. But here's one important complication that has received no air time: In both countries, they despise us.
In Afghanistan and Pakistan, the populations harbor a deep, visceral hatred of the United States borne of perceived grievances, some present-day and others long past, carefully nurtured so that they can be passed from one generation to the next.
Meanwhile, just now, the Pakistani army has refused an American request to capture a major Taliban leader who is directing insurgents to kill Americans in Afghanistan.
Most telling of all was President Asif Ali Zardari's cri de coeur, an op-ed in the New York Times last week. Zardari asked Americans to look at recent history "as seen by Pakistanis." As he described it, over the last few decades the United States has insulted, slighted and ignored Pakistan, all "to manipulate and exploit us."
American support for dictators in the 1980s "turned our peaceful nation into a Kalashnikov and heroin society," he wrote. Then "after 9/11, the United States closed its eyes to the abuses" of Musharraf. "For Pakistanis it is a bitter memory."
Now, he says, the nation is insulted once again because a new law requires the U.S. to certify that Pakistan is actually "demonstrating a sustained commitment" to "combating terrorist groups" before delivering aid. That, Zardari complains, is "unfair treatment."
Well, was it fair for Pakistan to take $10 billion in American aid over the last eight years and spend it on anything and everything - except what it was intended for? For Pakistanis and Afghans, the United States is a convenient scapegoat for their own myriad failings. I, for one, have to focus hard on America's own goals before I can stomach spending another dime on those ungrateful people.
ABOUT THE WRITER
Joel Brinkley is a former Pulitzer Prize-winning foreign correspondent for The New York Times and now a professor of journalism at Stanford University.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
minor nitpickanupmisra wrote:SSridhar wrote:We cannot be a responsible nuclear nation if we have to depend upon clandestine sources to sustain our nuclear potential!
This argument is similar to the one where a paki says "We can't stop being rapists if you do not supply us women"
This argument is similar to the one where a paki says "We can't stop being rapists if you do not supply us goats"
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
All Sarkari ulema fall sick
I suspect Taliban hand because these guys issued a fatwa against warning not to do so by the TTP.Chairman Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Mufti Muneeb-ur-Rehman, Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Hyderi and others have been rushed to hospital after falling ill during Ulama Conference here. According to reports, a meeting of ulama was underway at the residence of Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Hayderi in parliament lodges when they served breakfast. Mufti Muneeb, Maulana Abdul Ghafoor Hyderi, Liaquat Baloch, Haji Hanif Tayyab and Mian Aslam fell ill soon after taking the breakfast and shifted to Poly Clinic.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Wonder what kuldip nayar and the rest of the kandle kissers have to say about the friends from across the border
http://www.zeenews.com/news588304.html
http://www.zeenews.com/news588304.html
Pak Army grabs Sikh Gurudwara land
Updated on Thursday, December 17, 2009, 20:11 IST
Islamabad: In a breaking news development, the Pakistan Army has reportedly grabbed the land here meant for the construction of Sikh Gurudwaras.
The minority community here is distraught as the Army sold off 150 acres of land that belongs to the Sikhs of Lahore, as per a latest media report.
Reports also state that the land, which was allegedly sold cheaply to Pak defence authorities, is actually worth millions of rupees. The Sikh community is planning to retaliate by appealing in a court of law to step in and prevent the ‘illegal’ land grab.
However, the chairman of Pakistan’s Evacuee Trust, Asif Hashmi, while confirming the sale, decried reports stating that the land belongs to any individual or the Gurudwara Deh in Lahore.
The sale violates Pakistan’s law on selling religious land. Meanwhile, the SGPC in India is said to have contacted President Asif Ali Zardari asking for his direct intervention in the case.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones; $26 Software Is Used to Breach Key Weapons in Iraq; Iranian Backing SuspectedSuppiah wrote:Pakbarian National bird kills 12 animals
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BG2T920091217
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Wasn't this headed for "South Asia"?
Missile Parts Found in N.Korean Arms Haul
Missile Parts Found in N.Korean Arms Haul
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
I wonder if the national bird can drop few droppings on Paki nuclear sites? What would be Paki goat's reaction to such a dropping? Will they ship all the jewels to China for safe keeping?Suppiah wrote:Pakbarian National bird kills 12 animals
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5BG2T920091217
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
This must be annual bird waching conference. There were as many as 5 birds looking to fire anything that moved below.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
The US nintendo warriors were enjoying "Houbara Hunting" priveleges -- so far only allowed to the Arab Oil grubbers for "oil facility" ..
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
THe footage shows the Jamma Masjid in the video.anupmisra wrote:Prophet Hamid on 1971 War
pbuh.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
The starting music is stolen from the Lakshya movie theme music.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Name of the thread is very appropriate. But I think it should also include Pakis one of the most important characteristics - Begging. Recently their begging frequency has been increasing exponentially.
Pakistan is the biggest beggar on this planet. Also, it has a very unusual way of begging. They should file an patent.
Pakistan is the biggest beggar on this planet. Also, it has a very unusual way of begging. They should file an patent.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rmUiLwy7kI
Check the propaganda -
An Economist videographic with a brief history of the Kashmir conflict. Added to http://www.audiovideo.economist.com in November 2009
Write to them and also post against the video
Check the propaganda -
An Economist videographic with a brief history of the Kashmir conflict. Added to http://www.audiovideo.economist.com in November 2009
Write to them and also post against the video
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaRbRvCgy3E
ADMITTED - CONTRADICTIONS IN PAKI NARRATIVE
ADMITTED - CONTRADICTIONS IN PAKI NARRATIVE
Aasim Sajjad - Professor History at the prestigious Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) - discusses the anti-India state ideology of Pakistan.
He explains how: (a) the country does not have an ideology that can stand on its own and its ideology is only a negation of India; (b) "threat from India" has been deliberately exaggerated by Pak Establishment to protect its interests; (c) anti-India ideology and associated massive defense spending was approved by a Constituent Assembly whose members were not representative of the territory that became Pakistan; (d) there is a contradiction in national narrative in that after Partition, Pakistan remains just as obsessed with "Hindu India"; (e) wars over border disputes do not mean that one country wants to obliterate or annex the other; (f) contrary to official propaganda, India had a minor role in the Bengali nationalist movement that led to breakup of East Pakistan; (g) India never disrupted water flow into Pakistan and later executed the Indus Water Treaty; (h) nuclear weapons have increased the overall threat level between the two countries as opposed to diminishing it; (i) Kashmir dispute has national importance for both India and Pak as it involves their national ideologies; (j) growing number of Pakistanis are beginning to realize that the enmity with India has been more harmful than beneficial; and (k) peace with India would not be possible as long as Pakistan continues to harbor proxy warriors. This interview was recorded in 2009 by Dawn.
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDJ3qJnVljc
Maj Gen Helal Murshed Khan speaks about his experience during the 1971 Liberation war of Bangladesh. Proudly brought to you by bdmilitary.com
Maj Gen Helal Murshed Khan speaks about his experience during the 1971 Liberation war of Bangladesh. Proudly brought to you by bdmilitary.com
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EWrz3gQmd0
ThIs Footage is From Liberation war of Bangladesh 1971..
CHECK THE VULTURES FEEDING ON THE DEAD BODIES
Bangladesh achieved her independence after nine month struggle which ensued an estimated three million Bengalis died and ten million refuges fled to India.
The Mukti bahini dynamically formed by Bengali regulars and civilians after the proclaimation of Bangladesh's independence on March 26, 1971.Finally on December 16, 1971 allied forces of the Muktibahini and Indian army decisively defeated The (West) Pakistan forces deployed resulting in the largest surrender.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHlDwu6tigg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJyHBT1iCgA
http://www.youtube.com/user/BriTTo1sT
ThIs Footage is From Liberation war of Bangladesh 1971..
CHECK THE VULTURES FEEDING ON THE DEAD BODIES
Bangladesh achieved her independence after nine month struggle which ensued an estimated three million Bengalis died and ten million refuges fled to India.
The Mukti bahini dynamically formed by Bengali regulars and civilians after the proclaimation of Bangladesh's independence on March 26, 1971.Finally on December 16, 1971 allied forces of the Muktibahini and Indian army decisively defeated The (West) Pakistan forces deployed resulting in the largest surrender.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHlDwu6tigg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJyHBT1iCgA
http://www.youtube.com/user/BriTTo1sT
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
History of the 1971 Battle of Bhairab. Proudly brought to you by bdmilitary.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhUSy-SuT8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhUSy-SuT8
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
Acharya, dont you know that all this is fake, made up propoganda by the evil yindoos and their misguided msulim followers? Truth only emerges from the mouth of the new mahdi, professor Zaid Hamid, pbuh.Acharya wrote:History of the 1971 Battle of Bhairab. Proudly brought to you by bdmilitary.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGhUSy-SuT8
Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - November 06, 2009
^^^^ All the above bdmilitary Youtube videos are in Bangla. Am I missing something here??