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India is in no position to nurture afghanistan all by herself. there has to be sustained diplomatic effort to maintain a non-pak, non-chinese international force presence in afghanistan for the next decade.

...In return, India should be ready to commit troops (maximum of 10000 i.e around division strength similar to UK's commitment) and equipment (transport and attack helos, APCs etc) under a UN mandated force.
Rahul,

India's interest in facilitating the NATO mission in Afghanistan is one of the main drivers in the current negotiations with the UK for an agreement to allow British ships and aircraft to refuel at Indian bases, and for UK defence logistics to pass through India.

However a major, direct Indian military commitment to Afghanistan is only likely under two scenarios
- NATO disengagement from Afghanistan
- a break in NATO's relationship with Pakistan

Until then India's direct involvement within Afghanistan likely to be non-military. Even training of ANA would probably happen in India - for example, granting places at DSSC Wellington, etc.
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very reasonable appraisal IMHO.

if military commitment can be avoided, all the better for India. but chances are some of the NATO forces will be called back as the stalemate progresses. India's insistence at continuation of a multinational force presence in afghanistan may raise calls of "put the money where the mouth is". I think we should be prepared for such a demand, with necessary reluctance !

of course, counter reasons are also there, primarily opposition to any such move by pakistan. but if there is a pressing demand for boots in afghanistan, compounded by increasing unpopularity of the campaign in US and allies, there might be a pressing need of which India would be a obvious choice.

from an Indian POV, the scenarios are in the following order of preference :
#1 NATO presence in af continues without Indian military commitment
#2 NATO presence in af continues with Indian military commitment
#3 NATO moves out (I don't see any chance of India moving in on its own)

to prevent #3, the least favoured outcome, India might reluctantly agree to #2 which it has opposed in the past.
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If India wants to be recognized as a global power or for that matter as a regional power, India should insert itself into Afghanistan in the following ways:
1. Train the Afghan troops in Afghanistan.
2. Establish training camps near Iranian and Turkmenistan border.
3. Eventually establishing bases to support economic development of the local
areas, and be able to support the Indian government interests.

US would not mind this approach if the Indians can provide a buffer between the Iranians and Afghans. I feel the Iranians also would be glad to see Indian troops instead of US and NATO troops close to their border. To the North the Russians would be happy to see Indian troops close to the central Asian Republics.

This approach will give a great deal of leverage to India in Afghanistan and central Asia. In the long run India will be able to give a sandwich massage to Pakistan. Pakistan can stick with their Pashtoon (sp) friends.

India will have to spend money and blood to gain such a strategic advantage. Such an approach would be a game changer in the Indian Sub-continent. And for the first time in hundreds of years India would have broken out of its shell and entered a foreign land for strategic advantage (excluding Sri Lanka operation).

I am not proposing India get involved in the fighting all the local wars in Afghanistan. Indians have to figure out a strategy which would not get them involved in the tactical day to day administration/running of the place, rather find reliable and strong local supporters who will deal with the day to day affairs, and are funded and backed by India.
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Vinod, More important is to create a special force to neutralize the TSP nukes from falling into rogue hands and demonstrate the capability.
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From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... istan.html:
THE EMERGING CHINA-AFGHANISTAN RELATIONSHIP
By Nicklas Norling (05/14/2008 issue of the CACI Analyst)


China showed little interest in Afghanistan throughout the 20th century but its growing energy and natural resource demand combined with increasing Afghan openness to foreign investors have alerted Beijing of the country’s potentials. This growing interest was particularly manifested with Beijing’s giant $3.5 billion investment in Afghanistan’s Aynak copper field late last year, the far largest foreign direct investment in Afghanistan’s history. Reports from Kabul also indicate that additional Chinese investments are underway. Although these investments may be the engine in Afghanistan’s economy, the Chinese piggy-backing on ISAF’s stabilization effort is bound to be unpopular in the U.S. and Europe, though not necessarily with the Afghan government.

BACKGROUND: China showed little interest in the reconstruction of Afghanistan following the overthrow of the Taliban. Bilateral assistance and aid have thus far been extremely limited, even if bilateral trade has steadily increased. According to some sources, China has now, together with Pakistan, emerged as a main exporter to Afghanistan while a few Chinese companies were also active in Afghanistan in the immediate aftermath of Operation Enduring Freedom.

For example, Chinese companies ZTE and Huawei partnered with the Afghan Ministry of Communications to implement digital telephone switches, providing roughly 200,000 subscriber lines. China has also taken part in the Parwan irrigation project, restoring water supply in Parwar province, as well as the reconstruction of the public hospitals in Kabul and Kandahar. Moreover, the EU has hired Chinese firms for various construction projects in Afghanistan, including road restoration activities.

The political ties between China and Afghanistan also have been relatively cordial since 2001, and President Karzai has publicly reiterated his ambition to emulate “America’s democracy and China’s economic success”. China and Afghanistan have signed a number of agreements for the establishment of bilateral business councils and other similar institutions devoted to the development of bilateral ties.

Notwithstanding that China has increased its activities in Afghanistan gradually since 2001, Afghanistan figured overall as a relatively peripheral concern to Beijing up until 2006. In contrast to China’s rapid emergence in neighbouring Siberia, Central Asia, Pakistan, and Southeast Asia, Afghanistan has remained a rather untouched square in Beijing’s Eurasian hopscotch. Indeed, this disinterest could be observed throughout the entire 20th century, perhaps partly accounting for the complete disregard of China as a potential future investor in the World Bank’s 2005 Investment Horizons: Afghanistan.

Some eyebrows were therefore raised when in 2007, China’s Metallurgical group launched a $3.5 billion bid and won the tender to develop Afghanistan’s Aynak copper field in Logar province. The copper field is estimated to be the largest undeveloped field in the world and has been virtually untouched since the Soviet invasion in 1979. The investment is the far largest in Afghanistan’s history and involves not only mining but also the construction of a $500 million electrical plant and a railway from Tajikistan to Pakistan to support exploration. The mine will be in full operation in around six years, lead to the employment of 10,000 Afghans, while $400 million of royalties will accrue the Afghan government yearly – more than half of the present yearly state budget. The mine is also estimated to generate millions of dollars in taxes and $200 million in annual shareholder revenues. Furthermore, the shallow Aynak field is comparatively easy to develop, which speaks in favour of a fast materialization of this project.

As could be observed elsewhere in the developing world, Chinese state-owned companies launch bids almost doubling those of their foreign rivals. The mine was estimated to go for $2 billion but the Chinese far outbid the competing Strikeforce (which is part of Russia’s Basic Element group), Kazakhmys Consortium, Russia’s Hunter Dickinson, and the U.S. company Phelps Dodge.

The tender forms part of Afghanistan’s national privatization program which has resulted in international tenders for most of the major state-owned companies during 2007-2008, while legislation is continually being adjusted to allow for foreign investments. Will this giant investment be the starting shot of a serious Chinese emergence in Afghanistan or will the hitherto disinterested approach to Afghanistan continue?

IMPLICATIONS: There are plenty of factors suggesting that China is set to increase its investments in Afghanistan in the near future. Afghanistan has unexplored reserves of oil and natural gas in the northern parts of the country. The Afghan oil reserves were recently upgraded 18 times by a U.S. geological survey, estimates standing at a mean of 1,596 million barrels, while Afghanistan’s natural gas reserves were upgraded by a factor of three, standing at a mean of 15,687 trillion cubic feet (Tcf).

Afghanistan also has large iron ore deposits between Herat and the Panjsher Valley, and gold reserves in the northern provinces of Badakshan, Takhar, and Ghazni. Major copper fields also exist in Jawkhar, Darband, and in abovementioned Aynak, located around 30 km southeast of Kabul. All of these resource-rich areas are also situated in the relatively stable northern and northwestern regions.

Moreover, China’s iron-ore demand increased close to 15 percent in the first 8 months of 2007, while copper demand surged by almost 35 percent in the same period. Natural gas demand has also increased rapidly, and China is desperately looking for overland energy supply diversification in the neighboring states in Central Asia, and potentially also in Afghanistan.

Apart from complementarity in supply and demand, the institutional development in Afghanistan is also entering a stage when it is becoming more and more prepared for hosting foreign companies; the Chinese also seem set to enter now when the time is ripe, and the state-owned companies are up for international tender. A similar timing of market entry has been demonstrated by Beijing in African countries.

China enjoys a comparative advantage to most other foreign companies, since the roof of spending is virtually limitless in sectors of strategic interest, which also speaks in Beijing’s favor in Afghanistan. However, the Chinese free-riding on U.S. efforts to stabilize Afghanistan while simultaneously outmaneuvering U.S. companies such as Phelps Dodge has been met with resentment in American policy-making and military circles.

Pentagon officials reportedly stated that “the Afghan government’s recent decision to award a copper mining contract [Aynak] to a Chinese company is worse than first reported.” These concerns may be warranted, considering the lackluster Chinese contribution to the Afghan stabilization effort.

On the other hand, it will also generate invaluable massive foreign investments to Afghanistan which will generate employment, infrastructure, and an enhanced state budget which, in turn, is essential to provide state services and maintain central control over the country. Indeed, a number of studies, including the World Bank’s 2004 report “Mining as a Source of Growth” have also identified the mining sector to be a potential engine in Afghanistan’s state-building effort.

CONCLUSIONS: China remained disengaged in Afghanistan until Karzai’s government recently opened up its energy, mineral, and raw materials to foreign investors. The Chinese exploration of Aynak copper field is likely the start of Beijing’s drive to seize as large a share as possible of Afghanistan’s natural resources. The Chinese government will likely be successful in these endeavors considering China’s good standing in Afghanistan, ability to distort the market, and fiscal wherewithal to outbid its competitors.

Afghanistan has large energy and mineral resources, particularly in copper, but they should at the same time not be exaggerated. China is likely to emerge as a large investor in the country, for better or worse, and Beijing’s interest in Afghanistan is likely to increase. It will nonetheless continue to be overall peripheral to China’s strategic concerns compared to Pakistan and the Central Asian countries.
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Interesting article published in Wall Street Journal (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200 ... 13883.html) comparing Indian and Chinese activities in Afghanistan:
(From THE FAR EASTERN ECONOMIC REVIEW)
By Sarah Davison

China, not India, is winning the new "Great Game" in Afghanistan. Though India will have donated well over $1 billion in aid by the end of next year to help destitute Afghanistan -- the two share a common history of more than 500 years -- it is China that is making the greatest political strides in the country and the region.

Instead of providing aid, China is emphasizing trade and foreign-direct investment. In April, China made the largest FDI in the history of Afghanistan when state-owned China Metallurgical Construction Corporation paid $3.5 billion -- more than double the expected amount -- for the Aynak copper mine 30 miles south of Kabul in Taliban-controlled Logar province.

"Just as China's is a story of diplomatic and political success, India's has been a chronicle of dismal failure," says M.K. Bhadrakumar, a former Indian diplomat. He added that China is winning because it has remained relentlessly focused on its goals. India, meanwhile, is distracted by its ongoing hostility with Pakistan, thereby preventing closer ties with Kabul that could work to Afghanistan's benefit.

The most compelling example is the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline, which New Delhi shunned despite a desperate shortage of energy or oil equivalent. This major project could have helped alleviate India's power crunch and stabilize regional relations. Running directly through Afghanistan, this major project would have generated thousands of jobs for poor Afghans while promoting badly needed technical capacity. But India was concerned about a possible dependence upon a gas line running through Pakistani territory.

This is where China is leaping ahead; while New Delhi views Afghanistan as a forum in which to play out its dispute with Islamabad, Beijing sees it as a supplier of oil, gas and mineral wealth and a future trading partner.


Thus, China's regional strategy, particularly toward resource extraction, appears more consistent, coherent and pragmatic. This, combined with a muscular financial arsenal, creates regional confidence.

As emerging superpowers, both India and China inevitably find themselves competing for access to regional resources, especially energy. China imports 50% of its energy while India imports 70%. Both China and India have learned, however, that intense competition for resources drives up prices, so they are now trying to bid jointly, or cooperatively, on the most promising energy targets.

But Afghanistan offers some illuminating examples of how China's more pragmatic approach works to its advantage. India has spent a whopping $1.2 billion in aid to Afghanistan since 2002, while China has donated a mere $175 million.

It is the type of projects funded, and not just the scale of the programs, that hints at very different national agendas. However, with more than 11 million tons of copper, Aynak is the second largest copper deposit in the world. In addition to an expected 8,000 direct jobs, China has promised to provide a 400 megawatt power plant, an onsite copper smelter, a railroad up to Tajikistan, and substantial investment in schools, houses and health clinics.

The investment is typical of the way China is approaching regional development, both in Central Asia and in Africa; it is using jobs and economic development to promote stability, while also meeting its own growing need for natural resources.
Chinese diplomatic sources in Kabul say the investment is evidence of China's conviction that Afghanistan, while currently troubled, has the potential to stabilize. China is also interested, they say, in supporting neighbors who are having difficulties, in the hope that this support will translate into the stability that allows future trade of mutual benefit.

"You have to see this in the context of China's great western development program, which has led to major investment into the western provinces (of China) and, of course, also cross border connections to Central Asia, South Asia, and Iran," Niklas Norling, a China and Central Asia expert at Stockholm's Institute for Security and Development told Eurasianet.org, the pro-democracy organization funded by billionaire George Soros.

Mr. Norling says the Karakorum highway in Pakistan, the Gwadar port near Karachi, the gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Xinjiang, and a $100 million 25-year energy contract with Iran are other examples of this approach.

But it is India that built the transmission lines that brought 24/7 power to Kabul, ending constant power outlets and heavy dependence upon diesel generators. Now, power is shipped directly from Uzbekistan thanks to an expensive and difficult new transmission line constructed over the Salang Range at heights of more than 4,000 meters.

This project is hugely popular in Afghanistan.
Until April this year, the country had only an estimated total of 800 MW of generating capacity, obviating any significant industrial development in the country while presenting a challenge to ordinary Afghans needing heat, lights and power. Demand is well in excess of 1,000 MW.

India also is funding a series of small community-based aid projects, the majority of them concentrated around the volatile northern Afghan-Pakistan border. And it is investing heavily in health and food-aid programs that provide services far superior to those available to its own citizens in India.

These efforts have done nothing to ease India's presence in Afghanistan, though. On October 8, a huge suicide car bomb exploded outside the Indian embassy -- the second time the embassy had been struck in just over a year.

Blamed on the Al Qaeda-linked Haqqini faction, the two bombs have killed well over 150 people and wounded hundreds more. They are considered a reaction to India's escalating profile in Afghanistan, a country Pakistan considers its own backyard.

While India pursues a high diplomatic profile with a large embassy downtown and four consulates across the country, China has taken the opposite tack. Its embassy is small, skeleton-staffed and hidden behind a red gate that rarely opens. Its aid profile is similarly low key. Moreover, China has spent much less on aid over the past six years, and none of it appears motivated by a desire to establish political influence. The largest project is the $25 million, 350-bed Republic Hospital in Kabul which was inaugurated in August and is now the best-equipped hospital in the country. Instead, China's major investments are directed toward projects that yield an obvious, and direct, return for Beijing while also spurring local economic development.

There is some evidence that Indian companies are about to give China a run for its money. Some substantial new deposits are being discovered in Afghanistan, including two more copper deposits, some copper-gold deposits, and the 1.8 billion-ton Hajigak iron deposit 80 miles west of Kabul, which is currently up for bid.

Five Indian companies are competing with one state-owned Chinese company for the site, which is close to a coking plant and could become the pillar on which to build an Afghan steel industry. Kabul is demanding a steel plant, a rail link, and a fertilizer factory as well -- projects that will again act as a jobs force multiplier.

Afghan sources say the Chinese are now looked upon favorably for the bid because of the Aynak mine deal. The scale of these projects and the jobs they bring with them inevitably increase the profile of the nation involved, especially in a country playing host to more than 100,000 Western troops. Indeed, how China and India will fare in their relations with Afghanistan will be decided partly by political events now playing out on the ground there, but China seems to be getting a higher return on investment thus far.

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Sarah Davison is a free-lance writer based in Kabul.
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Gordon Brown did not understand Afghan war, says former Army chief
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 948527.ece
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tsriram:
I think we should look at time tested options. Trade & cultural influence. These two keeps the population amenable to other options. If we can prove to the population that our relationship with Afg is a win-win situation, then we stand a better chance. But this will work only with reasonable folks, not with hard core fundamentalists. It is upto the Afg government to bring in the fundoos into the system over a period of time, or slowly elimintate them.

One reason why Unkil or Russi failed was the population saw them as the agressors and not as friends. That is a big lesson.
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The afgs are not fundamentalist or psycic like pakis . they are basically against anybody invading the land. that depends on the propaganda machinary. In the long run the actions we do in afg would be benefitial even today baring pakhtonistan others are already in India's bag
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x-posting from the FAK-AP thread

Train the Afghans
.....Since the end of the Vietnam War, American interventions abroad have always been influenced by the mood and rhythm of politics at home......

.....For a non-traditional donor, India has made a generous contribution of $1.2 billion towards reconstruction and development of Afghanistan. New Delhi is Kabul’s largest regional donor and its fifth-largest global donor. Nearly 4,000 Indians are at work in Afghanistan, constructing roads and buildings, creating schools and hospitals, helping with sanitation and agriculture. As India has expanded its reconstruction efforts, Taliban attacks on Indian nationals have escalated, raising costs and delaying projects.

......As American forces prepare to drawdown, attacks on Indian installations are bound to increase, so jeopardising our existing effort — never mind further progress. If India persists with its current policy, it will, by the summer of 2011, have to make some tough choices: either increase the security presence in Afghanistan, or accept a gradual atrophy of its developmental efforts......Successive opinion polls show that a great majority of the Afghans, including the Pashtuns, welcome India’s activities in their country........

......The best way to insure India’s efforts and demonstrate its long-term commitment would be to contribute to the training of the Afghan National Army (ANA). And there is a significant role India can play.
Currently, the ANA stands at about 91,000 soldiers organised into 117 battalions.
.... The initial plans to develop an independent, fully-capable Afghan military by 2010 were scrapped and replaced by plans to field 134,000 ANA troops by 2014. The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) recently revised this projection upwards, calling for 134,000 troops by December 2011 and 240,000 by 2014. This would mean that by 2011, 122,000 troops would be on active duty and 179 total battalions would have formed.

However, the Western coalition has not allocated sufficient trainers, equipment or resources to increase the ANA by 40,000 soldiers in the next two years........The original projection was that the ANA would be an independent force as early as 2009 or 2010. Revised estimates of its capabilities are more conservative although still too optimistic.......Recent assessments by the US Government Accountability Office have concluded that only 40 per cent of Afghan National Army units were capable of conducting operations with coalition support. Clearly there is a lot to be done vis-à-vis the ANA, and quickly.......

.....the Indian government is understandably reluctant to respond to a suggestion from the Americans. A request from Kabul might evoke a different response.....

.......An alternative that New Delhi should consider is to train the Afghan forces in India. Officer cadets from Afghanistan have been training in Indian military academies for several years now. This programme can easily be reconfigured and the intake scaled up. The Indian Army already has a variety of officer training programmes of different lengths, which can be adapted for this purpose......

....Training in the Indian model might also be more appropriate to the demands of commanding troops from diverse ethnic backgrounds. After all, the Indian Army is a classic example of multi-ethnic national force.
Similarly, India can take on training of non-commissioned officers and recruits. The infrastructure for the latter in particular is quite strong. Each of the Indian Army’s 29 infantry regiments has its own centre for training recruits. Simultaneous training at a few of these regimental centres can substantially enhance the size and quality of ANA forces. Finally, the Indian Army has several counter-insurgency schools, which can be used for more specialised training.

In short, our capacity to train the ANA is not in doubt. But the clock has already started ticking. Getting our act together after the American pull-back or an appreciable worsening in the security situation in Afghanistan may be too late. India’s experience of supporting the anti-Taliban forces in the 1990s should serve as a stark reminder of this fact. The stance that India adopts in the coming months may well prove decisive in the long run.
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(From THE FAR EASTERN ECONOMIC REVIEW)
By Sarah Davison

China, not India, is winning the new "Great Game" in Afghanistan. Though India will have donated well over $1 billion in aid by the end of next year to help destitute Afghanistan -- the two share a common history of more than 500 years -- it is China that is making the greatest political strides in the country and the region.
Well, it may well be true that Smt Sarah Davidson is right and cheena is indeed racing ahead of Yindia in Afgn too. But, one look at the source and doubts start to arise. At the minimum, take the ravings of the far eastern ekhanomic review with a bagful of salt. The FECR is a Murdoch front, IIRC and already a miserable failure in terms of both influence and circulation (rumors about its closing were all over the place recently). Sri Murdoch's youngish wife is cheenese in origin and likely weilds some influence on what Murdoch mouthpieces say about cheena. Hey, just my 2 paise only. Quite possible that I'm wrong on this, so TIFWIW.
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How Osama bin Laden Escaped

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... en_escaped
What happened in Tora Bora? A major with the Army's Delta Force, now retired and writing under the pen name Dalton Fury, was the senior U.S. military officer there, commanding about 90 special operations troops and support personnel charged with hunting down and capturing or killing bin Laden.

In interviews with committee staff, Fury explained that al Qaeda fighters arrayed in the mountains used unsecure radios, allowing U.S. forces to eavesdrop on al Qaeda, tracking their movements and gauging the effectiveness of the bombing. Even more valuable, a few days after arriving, one of the CIA operatives picked up a radio from a dead al Qaeda fighter. It gave the Americans a clear channel into the group's communications on the mountain. Bin Laden's voice was often picked up, along with frequent comments about the presence of the man referred to by his followers as "the sheikh."
On December 9, a C-130 cargo plane dropped the 15,000-pound bomb, known as a Daisy Cutter, on the Tora Bora complex. The weapon had not been used since Vietnam and there were early fears that its impact had not been as great as expected. But later reports confirmed that the bomb struck with massive force. A captured al Qaeda fighter who was there later told American interrogators that men deep in caves had been vaporized in what he called "a hideous explosion." That day and others, Fury described intercepting radio communications in which al Qaeda fighters called for the "red truck to move wounded" and frantic pleas from a fighter to his commander.
hose concerns were underscored each time the Afghans insisted on retreating from the mountains as darkness fell. But the suspicions were confirmed by events that started on the afternoon of Dec. 11, a day U.S. forces heard bin Laden tell his men it was OK to surrender. Ghamsharik approached Fury and told him that al Qaeda fighters wanted to give up. He said all they needed to end the siege was a 12-hour ceasefire to allow the fighters to climb down the mountains and turn in their weapons. Intercepted radio chatter seemed to confirm that the fighters had lost their resolve under the relentless bombing, but Fury remained suspicious.

The U.S. Special Operations Command official history records that Centcom refused to back the ceasefire, suspecting a ruse, but it said the special ops forces agreed reluctantly to an overnight pause in the bombing to avoid killing any surrendering fighters. Ghamsharik negotiated by radio with representatives of al Qaeda. He initially told Fury that a large number of Algerians wanted to surrender. Then he said that he could turn over the entire al Qaeda leadership. Fury's suspicions increased with each bold promise. By the morning of Dec. 12, no al Qaeda fighters had appeared and the Delta Force commander concluded that the whole episode was a hoax. Intelligence estimates are that as many as 800 al Qaeda fighters escaped that night -- but not bin Laden.
Despite the unreliability of his Afghan allies, Fury refused to give up and started plotting ways his forces could go at bin Laden on their own. One plan was to corner bin Laden from a direction he wouldn't anticipate -- through the back door. The peaks to the south rose to 14,000 feet and the valleys and precipitous mountain passes were already deep in snow. "The original plan that we sent up through our higher headquarters, Delta Force wants to come in over the mountain with oxygen, coming from the Pakistan side," he explained. "Over the mountains and come in and get a drop on bin Laden from behind."

The audacious assault was nixed somewhere up the chain of command. Undeterred, Fury suggested dropping hundreds of landmines along the passes leading to Pakistan to block bin Laden's escape. "First guy blows his leg off, everybody else stops," he said. "That allows aircraft overhead to find them. They see all these heat sources out there. OK, there is a big large group of al Qaeda moving south. They can engage that." That proposal was rejected, too.
On Dec. 14, the day bin Laden finished his will, Dalton Fury finally convinced Ali and his men to stay overnight in one of the canyons that they had captured during daylight. Over the next three days, the Afghan militia and their American advisers moved steadily through the canyons, calling in airstrikes and taking out lingering pockets of fighters. The resistance seemed to have vanished, prompting Ali to declare victory on Dec. 17. Most of the Tora Bora complex was abandoned and many of the caves and tunnels were buried in debris. Only about 20 stragglers were taken prisoner. The consensus was that al Qaeda fighters who had survived the fierce bombing had escaped into Pakistan or melted into the local population. Bin Laden was nowhere to be found. Two days later, Fury and his Delta Force colleagues left Tora Bora, hoping that someone would eventually find bin Laden buried in one of the caves.

There was no body because bin Laden did not die at Tora Bora. Later U.S. intelligence reports and accounts by journalists and others said that he and a contingent of bodyguards departed Tora Bora on Dec. 16. With help from Afghans and Pakistanis who had been paid in advance, the group made its way on foot and horseback across the mountain passes and into Pakistan without encountering any resistance.
Peter Krause provides the most detailed description of this untaken option -- a "block and sweep" -- in an article in Security Studies, "The Last Good Chance: A Reassessment of U.S. Operations at Tora Bora." The plan is simple enough: One group of American forces would have blocked the likely exit avenues to Pakistan on the south side of Tora Bora. A second contingent would have moved against al Qaeda's positions from the north. The assault would not have required thousands of conventional forces; in fact, a large number of troops would have taken too long to deploy and alerted al Qaeda to the approaching attack. The preferred choice would have been a small, agile force capable of deploying quickly and quietly and trained to operate in difficult terrain against unconventional enemies. The U.S. military has large numbers of soldiers and Marines who meet those criteria: Delta Forces, Green Berets, Navy Seals, Marine special operations units, Army Rangers, and paratroopers.
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Why the Afghan War is being lost,as the strategy and tactics of the west are simply way off target when it coms to the country.How can the US and its allies gain the confidence of the Afghan people?By making their lives more secure and an easier day to day existence.For that both security and infrastructure is required,it is why India is concenrtating upon developing the infrastructure in the country,which is being applauded by all Afghans.Some time ago,there was much bombast being broadcast on the BBC about the success of British troops in conveying a huge turbine for a hydel project.It now seems all to have been in vain!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/de ... itish-army
Taliban stalls key hydroelectric turbine project in Afghanistan
Convoy diverted British troops from front but generator may never be used

Jon Boone in Kabul
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 13 December 2009 22.18 GMT


Two thousand British troops took part in the mission to deliver 220 tonnes of equipment to the Kajaki dam, pictured. Photograph: Bronwen Roberts/AFP/Getty Images

An enormous hydroelectric turbine dragged at huge cost by British troops through Taliban heartlands last year may never be installed because Nato has been unable to secure a 30-mile stretch of road leading to an isolated dam in northern Helmand.

The daring mission to deliver 220 tonnes of equipment to the Kajaki dam in Afghanistan in September 2008 was hailed as one of the biggest success stories of the British Army's three-year deployment in Helmand.

Two thousand British troops took part in the five-day convoy through enemy territory, which was launched because the main road leading to the dam was too vulnerable to Taliban attacks.

Senior British officers privately say the enormous diversion of scarce military resources for the operation allowed the Taliban to make major gains in other critical areas of the province, including Nad Ali, which subsequently saw some of the most intense fighting between British forces and insurgents.

Within a couple of months of the Kajaki operation, areas close to the British base in Lashkar Gah had deteriorated so badly that troops had to be resupplied by air drop.

The dam continues to be besieged by Taliban fighters and, 15 months after the mission by the UK troops, the turbine's components remain unassembled because huge amounts of cement that are required to install the equipment cannot be delivered safely.

Now the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), the wing of the United States government which has so far pumped $47m (£29m) into the project, intended to electrify much of southern Afghanistan, says it is packing the turbine parts away and looking for other energy projects to invest in across Afghanistan.

"Our message is that until we have a secure road we cannot continue with the installation of turbine two," said John Smith-Sreen, head of energy and water projects for USAID in Kabul.

"When the turbine was moved in by British and American forces it was a huge effort and it was done in a point of time. But we can't move in the large quantity of cement and aggregate that we need in a point of time, we need a sustained effort," he said.

The road would need to be secured for about half a year.

While the cement required could probably be transported in around half that time, civilian contractors would need to see the road had been secured for about three months to attract them to the project, Smith-Sreen said.

He added that CMIC, a Chinese company contracted to install the turbine, "left due to security concerns overnight" when it was clear that the road would not be secured. The agency has not been able to find another subcontractor prepared to do the work.

USAID says about 30 miles of road is affected, but at a time when General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, is pursuing a strategy of concentrating effort on protecting large towns and cities from Taliban influence, securing a stretch of road in a sparsely populated area of northern Helmand is unlikely to be a priority.

A spokesman for Task Force Helmand said there are no plans to change the current security operations at Kajaki, where British soldiers are responsible for an ongoing effort to provide a security "bubble" around the plant.

While insurgents have been unable to get close to the dam and its turbine hall, heavy fighting around the perimeter of the area of British control is an almost daily occurrence.

Smith-Sreen said USAID was currently "deciding what to do" with the turbine, but that the process of mothballing it had already begun in the run up to the contract expiring in April.

"Unless we are told otherwise we are going to continue the process of inventorying the parts and storing them away securely," he said. He said the agency had other areas where it was considering investing resources, including smaller electricity projects across country.

The problem of Kajaki highlights an dilemma for Nato forces trying to use development to win hearts and minds in an area where construction work is impossible or hugely expensive.

When the dam was built by US engineers in the 1950s as part of the cold war gamesmanship with the Soviet Union two turbines were installed, but a third bay was constructed and left empty. The intention had been to put the turbine in that slot when it was delivered last year.

Smith-Sreen said USAID was satisfied with the work it has been able to do to rehabilitate the two existing turbines, which since October have been transmitting around 33 megawatts to the southern provinces – "more power than either Kandahar or Helmand has seen for 30 years".

However, the same fighting that has made the road leading to the dam insecure has also led to frequent blackouts for Kandahar city and Lashkar Gah, with the power transmission lines from the remote generating plant regularly cut.

"We've had to slice the line back together many times," he said.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/16/world ... lobal-home
KABUL, Afghanistan — A suicide bomber struck outside a hotel popular with foreigners on Tuesday, killing at least eight people and wounding 40 others, the Afghan authorities said. Four women were among the dead, according to the Interior Ministry.

The explosion occurred just outside a hotel frequented by foreigners and several buildings owned by a former Afghan vice president, Ahmed Zia Massoud, who may have been the target. Mr. Massoud is the brother of the legendary guerrilla leader Ahmad Shah Massoud, who battled Soviet forces during the 1980s and was assassinated by a suicide bomber on Sept. 9, 2001, two days before the terrorist attacks against the United States.
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Good article on how GoI ( as usual) is missing a golden chance:

In Kabul, India punches below its weight: Experts
As the second Hamid Karzai [ Images ] government settles down to business in Afghanistan, India [ Images ] must seriously focus on long-term intervention and assistance in stabilising one of its most important neighbours, a variety of Afghan and Indian politicians, analysts and diplomats said in Kabul and New Delhi [ Images ].

As the sixth largest international donor to Afghanistan, India's $1.2 billion aid pledge so far -- of which nearly $845 million has been committed to specific projects -- means that India remains a "benign and much sought-after presence", especially when compared to Pakistan, whose intelligence agencies and army is still seen as playing a "double game with the Taliban [ Images ]," one Afghan analyst said on condition of anonymity.

But interviews with a cross-section of the Afghan leadership in Kabul, ranging from Afghan National Army Chief Bismillah Khan to Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dafdar Spanta to Karzai's presidential challenger Abdullah Abdullah revealed one common factor : The Afghan leadership would like India to raise its profile in Afghanistan.

According to a former UN official in Kabul, responsible for coordinating foreign aid with the Afghan government, "India believes it is the largest power in the region and must therefore play a role commensurate with its size. But in Afghanistan, India is seriously punching below its weight."

As India returned to Afghanistan after a gap of nearly two decades in December 2001, soon after the Taliban fled, it deliberately chose a low profile, in deference to US sensitivities towards Pakistan's articulated need to continue to play a primary role in Afghanistan.

Besides Kabul, India opened consulates in Herat, Jalalabad, Kandahar and Mazar-i-Sharif, but a combination of issues -- the Taliban scare in southern Afghanistan as well as the lack of political, diplomatic and bureaucratic interest in Delhi -- meant that the size of these missions remained small.
Even the Indian embassy in Kabul, which has been subject to two bomb attacks in the last two years -- proving that terrorist groups like the Sirajuddin Haqqani faction of the Afghan Taliban and the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ], said to be responsible for the two blasts respectively, believe it is important to scare India into reducing its presence -- has less than a dozen officers dealing with all areas of the bilateral relationship, including political affairs, economic aid, consular affairs and security issues.

In comparison, the US mission in Kabul, along with USAID, is said to employ about 1,000 people in Kabul, the UK's mission, along with its aid arm, DFID, employs about 400 diplomats and aid consultants, while Japan's [ Images ] International Cooperation Agency, the aid instrument of the Japanese government, brought its numbers down to 50 from about 90 people after the bombing of the UN guest house in Kabul 3 months ago.

In sharp contrast, the Indian embassy in Kabul has one officer dealing with aid assistance.
But both Afghan and Indian analysts agree that unless Delhi expands its presence in terms of diplomats, aid workers, NGOs on the ground, or even training Afghan police and army officers in India, Delhi's strategic ambitions in 'inner Asia' will be limited to the paper they are written on.

Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dafdar Spanta, even as he waxed eloquent about India "being a role model for the Saarc region," which had also been a "major contributor to building infrastructure in Afghanistan," admitted after some persuasion that "India should be more active in international conferences, so that the world hears its point of view".

Spanta was only articulating a common string of conversation inside the Afghan government, to do with the "glaring absence of India." At the Bonn conference on Afghanistan in December 2001, when the world carved up responsibilities for Afghanistan, India was represented by one former diplomat, former ambassador to Russia [ Images ] and Pakistan, Satinder Lambah.

But over the years, as economic policy-making in the Karzai government has grown, "India has simply not kept pace with the changes nor understood that it is simply not enough to deal with individual ministers," an Afghan expert said. He pointed out the Afghanistan Compact in 2006 and the Afghanistan National Development Strategy in 2008 provided the basis and the mechanism for delivering foreign assistance, but that India was somehow unable to align itself with Afghan national strategies.
Sad reading.
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Spanta is a smart and articulate guy. I've been at one of his lectures, he didn't hold back from ripping the pakistani press hounds (who on cue start to bombard him with leading questions) a new musharraf or two about their country's meddling in afghanistan. in fact he even tore them a new musharraf about complaints of excessive indian involvement in afghanistan. no doubt the karzai government would like to draw India deeper, but its not necessarily a good move.
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NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/world ... 0mine.html
China won the bid, he said, for good reason: it offered a package deal, from power plants to railroads to smelters to coal mines, that no other bidder could match. And it promised to staff the entire venture with Afghan laborers and managers — many of whom must be trained from scratch in a country with little mining expertise.

“After five years, it’s only Afghan engineers,” he said. “Only in administration do the Chinese stay.”

Indeed, outside experts here say, the striking aspect of China’s Aynak venture is the degree to which it left competitors in the dust. Increasingly, the world’s richest remaining mineral deposits are in hostile territory — malarial jungles, combat zones, unstable nations that possess mineral riches but no realistic way to get them to market.

With government money and backing behind them, China’s state-run giants take risks in places that even the largest private behemoths will not tolerate, and they can add sweeteners — from railroads to mosques — that ordinary mining firms are ill equipped to provide.

“The Chinese have sort of raised the bar. They’ve taken it beyond the scope of just an extractive operation,” the Western official said. “The Chinese are willing to step up and take a long-term strategic approach. If it takes 5 or 10 years, at least they have a beachhead.”

The wild card, of course, is that no outsiders can know how much of China’s Aynak venture is in fact brilliant strategy, and how much is merely a potentially ruinous business deal by an overzealous corporation. Beijing’s corporate strategy is as opaque as it is overwhelming.

China Metallurgical, a Fortune Global 500 company that has so many subsidiaries that they are mostly identified by numbers, is a signal example. The corporation reports to the top level of the Chinese government. Big foreign investments like the one at Aynak require blessing at an equally high level. M.C.C. has huge and productive investments around the world.

Yet hardly all those ventures are successes. An M.C.C. copper mine in Pakistan is widely said to have serious environmental problems. A Pakistan lead mine has been dogged by conflict, including a suicide bombing that killed 29; residents accuse the company’s Chinese work force of stealing local jobs. In Papua New Guinea, 14 Chinese workers at an M.C.C. nickel mine were injured in May in a pitched battle with local people who rioted over what they called intolerable working conditions.

That bid in 2006 for the iron mine in Gabon? Four years after C.M.E.C. struck its deal, the bargain appears to be unwinding over hints of corruption and global objections to a dam that would destroy Kongou Falls, one of central Africa’s most treasured waterfalls.

Was Too Much Promised?

Not surprisingly, that record leads skeptics to suggest that in Afghanistan, M.C.C. may have overpromised and, later, will underdeliver.

In interviews here, some experts said that M.C.C.’s Aynak bid was so munificent that the company might be forced to renegotiate lavish payments of copper royalties to the Afghan government. Others predicted that the company would be forced to shift parts of the vast project, like the yet-to-be-built railroad, to international donors.

Still others said the company’s initial environmental efforts already badly lagged behind the promise in its winning bid to strictly adhere to the Equator Principles and World Bank benchmarks — the gold standards for environmentally sensitive projects.

China Metallurgical is not talking. Its officials not only refused to be interviewed for this article, but also sought to prohibit a journalist even from photographing the mine site from afar.

But the company clearly is undeterred. The Afghan government is seeking bids for its second great mineral project, a behemoth called Hajigak that is said to contain 60 billion tons of iron ore. There are seven finalists — all companies from India and China. M.C.C. is one of them.
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^^ china is playing games here. There will be no Afghan Engineers in 5 years time. It is impossible. Even Africa with 30 odd years of money pouring and development has got engineers at very low-mid level in most oil and mineral companies operating in the region. A country with little or no technical education will never have good engineers in 5 years time. Chinks are bull-$hitting here making afghans believe in unrealistic things. I am very very surprised how they managed to grab a contract despite having a pathetic record in Health and Safety issues related to mining.
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Eight Americans Are Killed in Afghan Blast

DECEMBER 30, 2009, 1:25 P.M. ET
KABUL -- Eight Americans were killed in an explosion at a U.S. compound in Afghanistan on Wednesday, officials said.

Afghan officials said a suicide bomber had entered a U.S. facility.

A U.S. official in Afghanistan would not confirm the report of a suicide bombing, saying an investigation is under way. The official said the attack occurred at a U.S. military base in southeastern Afghanistan's Khost province and that all of those killed were Americans.

The U.S. Embassy declined to comment ahead of an announcement scheduled for Thursday morning, Afghanistan time, by U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry.
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A U.S. official in Afghanistan would not confirm the report of a suicide bombing, saying an investigation is under way. The official said the attack occurred at a U.S. military base in southeastern Afghanistan's Khost province and that all of those killed were Americans.
All the Killed IMO were CIA.

Expect Unkil to react with fury ( esp at Pak who will almost certainly be behind it)
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Afghanistan: Eight CIA men killed in suicide attack

A bomber wearing an explosive vest entered Forward Operating Base Chapman in Khost province, nearing Pakistan, killing the US nationals, the BBC has reported.


In another incident in Kandahar, four Canadian soldiers and a journalist were killed.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/dec/ ... nistan.htm
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CBS video about 8 CIA officers killed.
[youtube]c68jaQ4PTsk&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Base Chief who died was a mother of 3.
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This has ISI fingerprints all over it. There is no way in hell that such an operation, at least in its conception/planning/training/sustenance could have been done without ISI in the know - and probably in control through "retired" officers:

The Al Qaida chappies may have conceived of the operation in terms of what they wanted to do.

But the doing of it could not have been possible with out information available only to the Paks and Afghan elements. The Afghans, i.e government, have zero interest in this sort of outcome. The Paks on the other hand want to discourage the surge and minimise visits from their national bird.

We will hear more of this. But most likely this would have been done with extreme caution. In the end, vengeance will come slowly as info leaks through the years. In the meantime, vengeance on the part of the culinary institute will be based largely on "gut feel" - and we all know what the gut will feel.
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Was it a targeted assassination of the CIA base chief?

It seems so because the suicide bomber walked in unchallenged, there are no reports of him being challenged before he blew up, he blows himself near a gym though he had the whole base to himself for choosing the spot and the station chief is still dead.

This is not possible without exact info from a intel agency ( photo of the chief etc)
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Suicide Bombing in Afghanistan Devastates Critical Hub for CIA Activities
It could also sow mistrust between CIA officers and the Afghan operatives with whom they work closely, another former agency officer said. ""This is a huge blow to the agency. It's a close-knit group," the former officer said. "They're not going to know who to trust now."
"According to one of the club's guards, the CIA employees, dressed in Afghan uniform were in the club discussing as an army officer entered the club and set off his explosive-packed vest, killing and injuring all inside the club."
US deaths raise fears over Taliban infiltration
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""This is a huge blow to the agency. It's a close-knit group," the former officer said. "They're not going to know who to trust now."
Send some more billions to TFTA friendly Munna nation bakistan. Particularly to ISI and TSPA. :roll:
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My reading: Firm warning to the US to stop targeting pro ISI taleb groups. Wonder how the psyop guys will play this out. I don't think they are playing up the fact that this base was focused on Pak. I wouldnt be suprised if the ISI thugs went to the informants family and said we will kill them if you don't attack the CIA base.
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AFGHANISTAN: INDIA'S CONTINGENCY PLANS FOR "THE DAY AFTER"
Concluding Observations.

Afghanistan could emerge as a test case for India's strategic will to emerge as a global power. Ascending of the global power ladder does not come cheap. Power will not be bestowed on India. India will have to wrest power by exhibiting a demonstrated will to use power to secure India's national security interests.

To come of age strategically, the Indian policy establishment needs to develop an over-the-horizon strategic vision especially within the South Asian confines and contiguous regions.

Success comes to those who can anticipate developments and devise contingency plans to deal with such developments.

Let this Indian process commence with how to deal with Afghanistan, “the day after”.

(The author is an International Relations and Strategic Affairs analyst. He is the Consultant, Strategic Affairs with South Asia Analysis Group. Email: drsubhashkapila.007@gmail.com)
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Is it me or something is seriously odd here. I feel now that the Soviets did a serious and better job at nation building in Afghanistan than the Nato-US combine doing now. Everything seemd so haphazard with each agent of NGO going about his or her fancied pet project that turns Afghanistan into a lab experiment for the NGOs.
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Life and premature death of Pax Obamicana - Spengler

Some Excerpts.

The Obama administration's response to the threat of Islamist takeover has been "to pick a new fight with India on Kashmir", as Indian analyst C Raja Mohan complained in the online edition of Forbes magazine on November 8:
Obama has also sensed, rightly, that the US cannot stabilize Afghanistan unless it fixes Pakistan's profound insecurities and gets its army to level with the US and stop supporting America's enemies in Afghanistan. Few Indians disagree with Obama's reasoning that the threats to Pakistan's security are internal and do not come from India. But many are beginning to get anxious about the third step in Obama's logic: to get Pakistan to cooperate with the US in Afghanistan, Washington must actively seek to resolve Islamabad's problem with New Delhi over Kashmir. Put simply, the Indian fear is that they are being asked to pick up the political tab for America's failed policy in Afghanistan, and for the Pakistan Army's deliberate betrayal of US interests there.

Rather than chanting in unison "Pakistan must not be allowed to fail!", Western strategists should plan for the consequences of a failed state in Pakistan. One alternative - with its own attendant difficulties - was raised by M K Bhadrakumar on this site on October 10 (Pakistan warns India to 'back off'):

India, of course, can do a lot to help the US and NATO in such a scenario by training the militia operating under the ‘warlords’ and also providing them with weapons. In sum, without military deployment in Afghanistan, Delhi has the capacity to play a decisive role in crushing the Taliban insurgency, which is what makes the Pakistani military establishment extremely anxious in the developing political scenario on the Afghan chessboard.


China cannot sit by and allow India to encircle and eventually crush its ally Pakistan - not because China has fundamental strategic interests in Pakistan, but because it cannot tolerate such a blemish to its credibility. The problem does not lie in Pakistan, but in the mutual capacity of India and China to destabilize each other. Maoist rebels are active in about a third of Indian territory, and the Indian government claims that they receive their weapons from China - without yet accusing the Chinese government of direct involvement. India has a probe stuck prominently into China's most sensitive spot, namely Tibet. On November 10, the Chinese government denounced India for permitting the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual leader, to visit Tawang on the Tibetan border. China still claims as part of Tibet the whole border state of Arunachal Pradesh, including Tawang.

The balance of power fails along with Pakistan. The alternative to the balance of power, as Kissinger said, is hegemony, and no one but the United States can exercise it. A hegemonic US would do the following:

Invite New Delhi to increase its role in Afghanistan - which the Russians emphatically support - and make clear to Islamabad that the consequences of a shift toward radical Islam will be to leave Pakistan at the mercy of India.

Dictate to India a conciliatory policy toward China, including an empty dance card for the Dalai Lama and consideration for Chinese interests in Nepal and Myanmar.

Persuade China to throw its Pakistani ally under the bus, in return for assurances of Indian good behavior, as well as other incentives (access to US technology, for example).

Assure China that the United States will not take advantage of its troubles with the Uighurs in Xinjiang or any other Chinese ethnic minority - and that it will police such allies as Turkey with respect to such problems.

Crush Iran's imperial ambitions in the region, both to protect US allies such as Saudi Arabia and to eliminate a potential existential threat to Pakistan and remove a claim to legitimacy for radical Sunni Islamists.

Give Russia assurances that matters pertaining to its "near abroad" from Ukraine to Kyrgyzstan will be considered with a view toward Russian interests.

The implications of such an exercise in great-power politics are in some respects ugly. They include a perpetual civil war in Afghanistan and the continuation of at least low-level civil war in Pakistan. The object would not be to prevent Pakistan from turning into a failed state, but to prevent a failed state in Pakistan from poisoning the rest of the region. It also implies a self-interested recognition that the United States has nothing but sentimental interests in Ukraine, Georgia and Tibet - and that sentiment is cheap. It is not the best alternative, to be sure, but as General George Patton said, the best is the enemy of the good.
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I am finding it a little curious about the use of the term "the base" in regard to the latest soosai bombing. This time, I suspect, the real AQ# 3.14 was dispatched. Note that the arabic meaning of AQ is "the base."
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CIA caught in dirty and secretive war against al-Qaeda on Afghan border
Then there are the night raids against suspected insurgent and al-Qaeda linked leaders. It was an operation by what are euphemistically called “other government agencies” that was alleged to have killed a number of students in Kunar province on Saturday, causing widespread anger in Afghanistan.

CIA-led night raids such as this have proved controversial before. A UN-commissioned report last year from Philip Alston, director of the New York Centre for Human Rights, claimed that such raids raised issues under humanitarian and international law.

The report criticised the “opaque” use of ultra-secretive CIA units operating alongside irregular Afghan militias such as the Pashai.

Professor Alston complained that many raids were “composed of Afghans but with a handful, at most, of international people directing it” and were “not accountable to any international military authority”.
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A great article, with in depth analysis and what BR predicted well in advance All about pashtunistan

" Will porkistan split, will pasthunistan form, read it all.........."

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2010/ ... ccupy.html

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^^^

This article doesn't talk about Indian connection and history w.r.t Afghanistan (old/existing/proposed). While the proposed solution is in Indian Interests in the short term, Indian concerns are not discussed at all.

If we have to take this article as "one" of the thought processes in American strategic circles, it might mean that this strategy doesn't care about Indian Interests or opinions in implementing this strategy. It might mean Indian concessions to gain Paki and PRC support to that solution. Will India be influenced to giveup POK and parts of Kashmir vally to placate Pakis and Chinese?

Can we have a separate thread to identify possible Indian counter-strategies to various proposals to solve Af-Pak conundrum?
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RamaY wrote:^^^

This article doesn't talk about Indian connection and history w.r.t Afghanistan (old/existing/proposed). While the proposed solution is in Indian Interests in the short term, Indian concerns are not discussed at all.

If we have to take this article as "one" of the thought processes in American strategic circles, it might mean that this strategy doesn't care about Indian Interests or opinions in implementing this strategy. It might mean Indian concessions to gain Paki and PRC support to that solution. Will India be influenced to giveup POK and parts of Kashmir vally to placate Pakis and Chinese?

Can we have a separate thread to identify possible Indian counter-strategies to various proposals to solve Af-Pak conundrum?
My take is that if Pashtunistan is created (meaning pakistan splits), India will have to step in the vacuum to occupy POK. China will practically lose interest in POK remaining a part of pakistan (for their route from gwadar to xinjiang, since gwadar will no longer be in pakistan). So who do we have to placate. If the west plays this game, it means they are no more at that stage interested in appeasing pakistan. All it takes is some decision making from GOI and the power show from Indian army to take POK (which they can very well do). Also keep in mind that If baluchistan and NWFP dont be a part of pakistan, POK is way out of their league. When i mean POK i mean "Northern areas", not the azad kashmir area. It is the northern areas that give us access to central asia.
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I do not think so. This “United Pashtunistan” is a strategy to save American interests, not to save Pakistan from implosion. USA will not be the “ethnic, spiritual, economic and military successor to England” in Indian-Subcontinent, if it loses Pakistan. The whole purpose of creating Pakistan in 1947 was to influence geopolitical scenario in Eurasia. India will not be “granted” POK+NA because it would make all the parties (PRC, Pakistan, UK) losers. Pakistan+PRC loss will have to be made up with a loss to someone. Since all other stakeholders are winning as mentioned in the article, it has to be only India that will be losing.

I am all for the destruction of Pakistan. But not at the cost of Indian interests, especially in POK+NA area, forget about the state of J&K.
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Afghan Parliament rejects most of Karzai appointees
Afghanistan’s Parliament on Saturday rejected 17 of President Hamid Karzai’s 24 nominees for a new cabinet.

Those approved were the portfolios for Education, Interior, Defence, Finance and Culture, television footage showed. The five Ministers to win approval, less than half way through the counting process, had already received the nod from Mr. Karzai’s international backers {read Richard Holbrooke}, including the United States and NATO allies.
Karzai took several weeks to form the Cabinet as he had to take into accounts conflicting interests such as his own, American, Afghan regional, warlords etc. Out of these, the defence minister General Abdul Rahim Wardak, interior minister Mohammad Hanif Atmar and finance minister Omar Zakhilwal were holding the same positions in the previous cabinet too and hence there is continuity.

One important rejection seems to be the legendary Ismail Khan of Herat who was appointed as Minister for Water & Power. His nomination is now rejected. How Karzai will balance this now remains to be seen.

Another crucial minister who has been rejected is Sayed Hamid Gilani of the 'Ministry for Border and Tribal Affairs'. He was crucial to the US Surge tactics by winning over the minds of the Pashtun tribals and denying space for the Taliban. Losing such an influential Pashtun leader will be difficult for Karzai and even the US.
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muraliravi wrote:A great article, with in depth analysis and what BR predicted well in advance All about pashtunistan

" Will porkistan split, will pasthunistan form, read it all.........."

http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2010/ ... ccupy.html

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Interesting article..but its dated April 2009. Blog writer, Cinema Rasik, is obviously of Indian origin.
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UK floats Afghan forum idea, India wary
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It is learnt that Miliband told Krishna that Afghanistan was keen on having a regional forum comprising India, Iran, Pakistan and Russia in place before June 2011, the proposed timeframe for US and NATO troops to start reducing presence in that country. He is believed to have asked for India’s views in the run-up to the London meet.



India has not given any firm answer, with officials wondering if the proposal was being foisted upon Afghanistan. The idea has been discussed by policy-watchers for some time, but this is the first time that it has received some sort of official voice.

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Re: Afghanistan News & Discussion

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Once again, there is a glib, non-chalant mention of how Pakistan sees the developments in Afghanistan. As if such a 'perspective' is legitimate or acceptable. If the Taliban were believers in freedom, pluralism, democracy and secularism, that would almost certainly be. Stating that Pakistan sees the Islamic militants as a hedge against Indian influence or as part of its 'strategic depth' vis-a-vis India, without so much as a qualifying denunciation, amounts to accepting such a policy. What's the matter with these guys? The Taliban are not legitimate. Indian behaviour and policy, economic, political and moral, has far, far more legitimacy in Afghanistan, than does Pakistan's.
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