You mean good old days as in ?RayC wrote: My fervent request is bring this forum back to the even handed forum it was where one exchanged knowledge and not insecurity!
Not in the way what is happening today!negi wrote:You mean good old days as in ?RayC wrote: My fervent request is bring this forum back to the even handed forum it was where one exchanged knowledge and not insecurity!
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewforum.php?f=12
There used to be dedicated threads on religion and Islamism back in those days, compare that to the corresponding forum (HAF) today .
RayC, you did me the favour of asking me a question relating to past inter-moderator concerns via the report post functionality. I responded in kind using the private message facility (which only works mod-to-mod or mod-to-poster, but not poster-to-poster/mod, for reasons I don't fathom), in the most respectful terms.RayC wrote:Lastly, while Ldev may wrong. Did you show such alacrity towards the Hiduvta folks?
All interactions with me are limited to and visible on this thread.Indeed, I know not what is the interaction with Ldev. I went by what is upfront!
you put in the wrong link. this is the one you mean.negi wrote:You mean good old days as in ?RayC wrote: My fervent request is bring this forum back to the even handed forum it was where one exchanged knowledge and not insecurity!
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewforum.php?f=12
There used to be dedicated threads on religion and Islamism back in those days, compare that to the corresponding forum (HAF) today .
Stan, done.Stan_Savljevic wrote:I request any of the admin to change the title of the thread that goes by the name "Middle east news and discussion" (which is US DoS jargon and US-centric) to "West Asia News and Discussion" in line with MEA jargon (and India or Asia-centric). Thanks in advance.
Do you think your contributions in the Islamism series of threads contributed to this attitude on the Strat forum? Your posts certainly did not paint a welcoming note or generate a warm feeling for any Muslims browsing the forum at that time. IIRC, Faizi who used to frequent BR at the time stopped contributing after these series of threads, or so he said on Mav's blog...Shiv wrote:If I say "Muslims are basically good people" and I find a flurry of posts teaching me what Muslims are really like it means that a percentage of people on this forum are opposed to a Muslim rakshak statement
On Bharat Rakshak (Strat forum) there is more opposition to a Muslim rakshak statement than a Hindu rakshak statement. OK let me accept that as reality for this forum. But is "Bharat Rakshak forum" really a microcosm of India?
If BRF IS a microcosm of India it means that on the ground in India, Muslim rakshak actions will not be viewed with sympathy and India is a Hindu nation and Muslims are justified in being fearful for their future.
Arent you arguing on both sides? For example you stated earlier thatThe question that stems from this of course is "Who the hell is stopping Indians from coming to BR in droves?" It's not as if they are being driven away. I mean just like nobody is stopping Muslims from coming on here any Indian can come on here. Forum members and admins cannot be blamed for BRFs deficiencies. I believe that is correct.
Doesnt the above serve as an impediment to more Muslim participation? You cant simultaneously say the above is true and then claim that forum members and admins are not to blame.On Bharat Rakshak (Strat forum) there is more opposition to a Muslim rakshak statement than a Hindu rakshak statement.
Sridhar sir, no, you might have got the id wrong since i did nt post it clearly. Can you PM me your id? I used your rap** one, but I guess you must have been spammed by now with that id.SSridhar wrote: BTW, did you receive my mail ?
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Do you think your contributions in the Islamism series of threads contributed to this attitude on the Strat forum? Your posts certainly did not paint a welcoming note or generate a warm feeling for any Muslims browsing the forum at that time. IIRC, Faizi who used to frequent BR at the time stopped contributing after these series of threads, or so he said on Mav's blog...
IF these posts were acceptable at that time, has the mandate of BR now changed or do you disassociate with them now?
I certainly got a lot of people eating out of my hands didn't I? It was lapped up like free chocolate milk shake by an audience that wasn't able to say all the lousy things they believed about Islam. In fact If they were not archived on here I could send them to you on email. I have them archived. The first thread was "Inside the mind of the Mullah"Not for me, there is none. But I see a disconnect in your statements:Where's the problem?
Arent you the same guy who went rhona and dhona at Mavericks blog. While your friends over there were going gaga calling the members and moderators on BRF names, what were you doing? If i remember, shiv was still a moderator then and he was called "Mega BC" by your buddy Alok. I sure do hope you jumped to shiv's defence then and proved how upright and a honest person you are.ldev wrote:RayC,
Rest easy. Your legacy is secure.
Why should anyone feel takleef if I speak out now and did not speak out then? No forum member spoke out then, Why are you speaking out now? I suggest that it is because those discussions did not cause you or anyone else discomfort enough to protest then but what I am saying now is causing discomfort. Driving out Muslims was fine and dandy. Accommodating them is the problem. If you want to blame me for driving them out, why blame me for repenting and wanting to accommodate? I should only receive encouragement no?Tanaji wrote: My memory fails me, so I may be mistaken, but you were a mod when you made the Islamism threads, and hence contributed towards making BRF a less welcome place (as it is now in some peoples opinion) for Muslims and Christians. So perhaps the time to speak out was then?
Everyone was happy then. Why not now? 
s and whines as well.I dont think I have gone rhona dhona at Mav's blog. I have posted comments at Mav's blog which I could have also posted here. You are right that some ex-BRF members have called BRF mods names there. I have had some offline contact with those folks as well. To the best of my knowledge there has been some reconciliation there. I was not a party to either the rift or the reconciliation. Sometimes time is the best healer and sometimes reconciliations are best done out of the glare of public posturing and posting on public blogs/forums. All of this has nothing to do with whether I am honest or upright. I try to be. Sometimes I succeed and sometimes I may fail. That blog is a separate entity and I have never made references to it here. The only reason I am doing now is responding to what I feel is incomplete knowledge on your part.HariC wrote:Arent you the same guy who went rhona and dhona at Mavericks blog. While your friends over there were going gaga calling the members and moderators on BRF names, what were you doing? If i remember, shiv was still a moderator then and he was called "Mega BC" by your buddy Alok. I sure do hope you jumped to shiv's defence then and proved how upright and a honest person you are.ldev wrote:RayC,
Rest easy. Your legacy is secure.
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Just because I made those statements at that time does not mean that I should not say what I am saying now. There is no contradiction. I felt no hate at that time in what I believe were clinical and well thought out posts dissecting Islamism and Islamic extremism and Islam and Muslims and the Muslim psyche. Everyone cheered me on and egged me on. That is archived too. The only posts of mine that were hotly debated and beaten down were when I started talking Hindu psyche. Those are archived in the religion thread if you care to look. Once again my comments about Hindus will get beaten down. Everyone is happy when I dissect Muslims. Everyone gets his chaddis in a twist when I dissect Hindus. Cognitive dissonance. I am certain to do that eventually. At a time and place of my choosing.
What I write now is equally well thought out. Nothing I have said on this thread is not true of BRF. Nothing I said about Islam is not true either.
Where's the problem?
The archives are there, so please do search and see if I have participated in those threads. I try to keep out of religion based threads, because it is a personal issue. Anyone with a any sense would understand that there are 15 crore Muslims in India, and there is no wishing them or "driving them" away. It is not possible. If this is true, then accomodation and equal rights automatically follow... khair, this is OT for now.I suggest that it is because those discussions did not cause you or anyone else discomfort enough to protest then but what I am saying now is causing discomfort. Driving out Muslims was fine and dandy. Accommodating them is the problem.
Wow...Clear set of rules of engagement?! A mod comes in and says it is pretty much upto him to decide on what he is going to allow and not allow, and to you that constitutes a superior set of rules of engagement than having a clear set of guidelines specified upfront??? What kind of lahori logic is that?ldev wrote:Archan,
Thanks for that clear set of rules of engagement.
As Shiv has posted in one of his posts, the unbiased view of mods took a severe beating in the nuclear series of threads. In my eyes that taint has been around since then. One never knew as to whether the mods were unbiased or not in any thread since that unsavoury episode . That is why there have been misgivings on my part.
Hopefully this new years resolution of the moderators will be implemented impartially.
BR always has and as far as I can see, always will uphold some RoE. while people are free to hold any views, their posting the same on BR is subject to
a) relevance to BRF e.g politics and religion is not allowed
b) even-handedness and no discrimination in comments on the basis of religion/ethnicity etc etc. you can choose to call it 'secularism' or 'pluralism' or PC-ness. that's not our concern. just that it shouldn't be violated.
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NOTE : there is no specific rule against people wanting to call India a hindu-rashtra or a muslim rashtra BUT god/bhagwan/allah save you musharraf if even an iota of bias against any community is detected in your post.
You have mail.Surya wrote:Tanaji
can you ping me at balaji_b4 at garam hawa
Ok Thank you for stating your feelings so well. I understand that you have the feeling that your emotions (or the emotions of other people) have been played with. This is a perfect description of the feeling of being let down, disappointed or "had". But no "games" have been played because it is dead serious. And I believe this topic is perfectly pertinent to BRF and this thread specifically.Prem wrote: Shiv sir Ji,
If i may , you being a senior Guru, the problem is of intention, of being straighforward and honest with members here and not use BR for piskological experiment with assuming yourself sitting in some kind of pedestal and toying with Rakshaks and using them as experimental pigs. I can go on but how do you know that same game might have been played on you . Being truthful to yourself and others here is very important as otherwise there is no need for debate, discussion etc to learn or teach (Impression i have now is that you being on such elevated level need neither of these )
This post sounds like a sarcastic taunt. I had reported it last night. The post remains unmoderated. RayC had earlier made similar sarcastic taunts that were deleted. I am presuming that sarcastic taunts such as this one are OK and so here goes, I have a reply for Ashok SarraffjiAshok Sarraff wrote:Mods, a serious suggestion.
How about starting a new thread. It can be called one of the following:
- Secularism khatarein mein hai (on BRF)
- Secular corner (on BRF)
- Secular rona dhona
Only the born “seculars” and the born-again “seculars” should participate and moderate that thread. In other words, it should be the exclusive island of peace and tranquility for the “seculars” on BRF.
Two conditions should apply:
- Brihaspati and his 12 apostles should not post on that thread
- Only 50 yrs. and above will be able to post because the young generation is too “hindootvawaadi”
These conditions will keep the proposed secular thread pure and pious and uncontaminated by the harmful influence of the khaki chaddiwalas. Ofcourse, the pink chaddiwalas will feel at home there. All the “seculars” can then comfortably bemoan the sad “demise” of “secularism” on BRF and reminisce about the golden age when the “secularists” ruled, educated, and disciplined the dirty “hindootvawaadis”.
Of course, the “seculars” know the best. If you don’t agree with them or question their premise, you are dirty “hindootvawaadi”.
And same is the case with any topic on the lines of "Islamism" ,EJism" or even "Hindutwavadis" people can quote Rig Veda to recent 26/11 incidents and make a point for the topic is vast and abstract enough to guarantee the fact that every post made won't be OT ."How sure are we that our thoughts and beliefs on BRF are exactly right" ?
Again a classic case of trying to read into the minds of posters based on few posts made in some remote thread and then making a comment on behalf of BRF .On BRF Hindus are criticised for being "fooled by Islam" and consensus on BRF is happy with all Hindus who understand Islam a particular way
I accept this criticism as perfectly correct. But what is not mentioned here is the fact that those "few posts" made by a "few posters" in "some remote thread" have become the de facto standard on BRF for the reasons I stated earlier in this thread.negi wrote: Again a classic case of trying to read into the minds of posters based on few posts made in some remote thread and then making a comment on behalf of BRF .