Pune Bomb Blast - 13 Feb 2010

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 17 Feb 2010 14:21

Pakistanis are our long lost brothers
India must not react or the US's plans will be upset
A big brother must always be willing to make sacrifices
Such things will happen no?
Have you looked at the role of Bajrang Dal and RSS in Gujrat
Col Prohat could be responsible
We must talk to Pakistan
Fasten you seatbelts folks - more is coming
War is bad for the economy
What will we get from hitting a few tents?
Do you know how many brides were burned in India yesterday?
India's mature role is much appreciated in the west

biswas · Post by **biswas** » 17 Feb 2010 14:22

Dilbu wrote:
Abhishek was only hope of his widowed mother
Really breaks my heart.
May the fcuking paki morons who did this rot in hell for thousands of years.

Garh. I used stronger words than just morons to describe them.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 17 Feb 2010 14:28

Garh. I used stronger words than just morons to describe them.

I dont want to hurt the feelings of Aman Ki Asha types. If any of you guys are browsing this thread please note that this is a slip of tongue in a bit of impotent rage from a common man on the street. Please dont vilify the memory of those innocents by describing it as a burning source of right wing extremism or anything. I am sorry I called pakis 'morons', I should have said misguided perpetrators of this cowardly act. Really.

L Ram · Post by **L Ram** » 17 Feb 2010 14:57

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krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 17 Feb 2010 15:14

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Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Feb 2010 16:34

Signs of impending War

Al-Qaeda chief delivers a warning
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

ISLAMABAD - Asia Times Online has received a message from top guerrilla commander Ilyas Kashmiri, whose 313 Brigade is an operational arm of al-Qaeda. The message arrived on Monday morning, shortly after the deadly weekend bombing of the German Bakery in the western Indian city of Pune. The message does not specifically claim responsibility for the bombing, but implies the Brigade's involvement.

The text of the emailed message reads, in rough translation:

“We warned the international community to play their role in getting the Kashmiris their right of self-determination and preventing India from committing brutalities in Kashmir, especially in Badipuar, raping the women and behaving inhumanly with Muslim prisoners.

“We warn the international community not to send their people to the 2010 Hockey World Cup, IPL [Indian Premier League - a cricket competition involving international players] and Commonwealth Games [to be held in Delhi later this year]. Nor should their people visit India - if they do, they will be responsible for the consequences.

"We, the mujahideen of 313 Brigade, vow to continue attacks all across India until the Indian Army leaves Kashmir and gives the Kashmiris their right of self-determination. We assure the Muslims of the subcontinent that we will never forget the massacre of the Muslims in Gujarat and the demolition of Babri Masjid [a Muslim mosque destroyed by Hindu militants in 1992]. The entire Muslim community is one body and we will take revenge for all injustices and tyranny. We again warn the Indian government to compensate for all its injustices, otherwise they will see our next action.

"From 313 Brigade"

The bombing and Kashmiri's warning come as Washington tries to bring India and Pakistan together to work as allies in fighting the "war on terror". The intention seems to be to reignite conflict between the two countries, diverting Pakistan’s attention from Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas and preventing India playing a strategic role.

The Pune bombing killed nine people, including two foreigners, and injured 57. It came a day after India and Pakistan agreed to foreign-secretary-level talks in New Delhi on February 25.

Typically, 313 Brigade does not claim responsibilty for its actions, which are said to include attacks on foreigners in India and Afghanistan and the Mumbai carnage of last November. The Brigade has also been linked to the so-called "Chicago Conspiracy" to massacre Indian military officers, attack the Indian nuclear arsenal, and attack the cartoonists whose anti-Muslim illustrations were published by a Danish newspaper.

It is unprecedented that 313 Brigade should send a message to a news outlet. However, Asia Times Online has previously been in contact with Kashmiri, and interviewed him last October. The interview, conducted in the Pakistani tribal agency of South Waziristan, was arranged by Kashmiri, primarily to discount rumors that he had been killed in a US drone attack. (See Al-Qaeda's guerrilla chief lays out strategy.)

The Indian government said on Monday that there would be no knee-jerk reaction to the Pune bombing and that the talks with Pakistan would go ahead. If more attacks are carried out in India, however, the tension between the countries would soar, and the US-led "war on terror" would be an early casualty.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief.

(Copyright 2009 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)

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Philip · Post by **Philip** » 17 Feb 2010 16:39

Sorry.Deleted.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 17 Feb 2010 16:46

That warning sounded more like TSP official policy lol!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Feb 2010 23:02

Philip Please don't use such language in this thread. Its unbecoming of you even in frustration. Thanks, ramana

Meanwhile Pioneer has the upadate:

SOURCE

Four IM suspects detained

J Gopikrishnan/ P Sandhu | New Delhi/Pune

No breakthrough yet in Pune blast

Unknown Pak group claims responsibility

Even as a little-known terror group from Pakistan on Tuesday evening claimed responsibility for the Saturday night Pune blast, four persons linked to Indian Mujahideen have been detained for interrogation while forensic reports have confirmed use of RDX.

A person who identified himself as Abu Jindal, the spokesman of the group, called an Islamabad-based Indian journalist and claimed they carried out the attack because of India’s ‘refusal’ to discuss Kashmir in the forthcoming talks with Pakistan and New Delhi’s ‘alliance’ with the US.

The person said he was calling from Miranshah in North Waziristan and the telephone number had an area code of Waziristan in Pakistan’s NWFP, reports quoted the woman journalist. Jindal reportedly claimed the Pune attack was carried out with local support.

Intelligence officials were not ready to comment on the authenticity of the caller’s claim because very little is known about the outfit. They also feel that since there is no clarity on the agenda of the talks with Pakistan, how could any outfit have been so provoked to plan and carry out an attack of this magnitude which will require long preparations.

Meanwhile, the Maharashtra ATS, which is probing the blast, detained four suspects who are linked to the IM. Two of them were picked up from Janwadi area in Pune and Kudalwadi in the neighboring industrial township of Pimpri. “One of the suspects who was nabbed from Kudalwadi is believed to have sheltered IM man Riyaz

Bhatkal during his stay in the city,” sources revealed. “We are now hunting for the prime accused in the case. An important breakthrough in the case is about to come very soon,” said Pune Police Commissioner Satyapal Singh.

The other suspect from Janwadi locality was reportedly associated with Shabbir Gangawali, a cleric linked to Indian Mujahideen. He was also involved in a fake currency racket. The other two being interrogated by investigating agencies are from Aurangabad.

Home Ministry sources said the forensic report, which came out on Tuesday, confirmed that the bomb was a mixture of RDX, ammonium nitrate and petroleum hydrocarbon, which leaves the signature of Indian Mujahideen. Ball bearings and nut bolts too were used in the blast, they said. The same style was adopted by IM in the blasts at Varanasi and Allahabad, they said.

Addressing mediapersons, the Pune Police Commissioner said they received the preliminary report from the Forensic Science Laboratory on Monday night. “According to the findings mentioned in the FSL report, it was confirmed that the material used for the explosive was a combination of RDX, ammonium nitrate and petroleum hydrocarbon oil. However, the report didn’t mention the material quantity used in the explosive. This is yet to be investigated,” he added.

Speaking about the trigger mechanism used in the blast, the Commissioner added that trigger mechanism is being investigated and nothing can be confirmed as of now. On being probed further about the people being picked up by the investigating agencies, Satyapal said two people had been detained on Monday night but refused to divulge any further details.

Meanwhile, investigating agencies have confirmed that they were fortunate to retrieve the CCTV images, operating in the bakery’s cash counter. Earlier, the agencies relied on the CCTV images of Hotel ‘O’, opposite the bakery. There were reports that the bakery does not have close circuit cameras.

On being asked as to which other CCTV footage was being used in the investigation apart from the one provided by the bakery and the hotel, the Commissioner declined to reveal saying that they were prominent places in the case.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 18 Feb 2010 02:37

shiv wrote:

Pakistanis are our long lost brothers

India must not react or the US's plans will be upset

A big brother must always be willing to make sacrifices

Such things will happen no?

Have you looked at the role of Bajrang Dal and RSS in Gujrat

Col Prohat could be responsible

We must talk to Pakistan

Fasten you seatbelts folks - more is coming

War is bad for the economy

What will we get from hitting a few tents?

Do you know how many brides were burned in India yesterday?

India's mature role is much appreciated in the west

Pakistan is also victim of terrorism no?
We must be doing the same thing in Pakistan no?
We have the same culture no?
We have to help Pakistan's democracy

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Feb 2010 02:58

AjayKK wrote:.
Abhishek was only hope of his widowed mother

Pune/Lucknow: Abhishek Saxena's widowed mother had all her hopes pinned on him. But all came to a crashing end when the 23-year-old third-year BTech (mechanical) student of D Y Patil Engineering College in Pune died at Inlaks and Budhrani hospital on Tuesday, taking the German Bakery blast toll to 10.

Ajay, please post cross-post this on the List of victims thread. Everything that reminds us of who the victims were, and why they are not just a statistic needs to be on that thread.

Tx!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Feb 2010 09:03

LeT al Alami has Iraqi links

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Articl ... 002&mode=1

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Feb 2010 09:21

The Pune Mayhem and a Sleeping India ---- Maloy Krishna Dhar

It should be understood that Alert is a security exercise based on Intelligence Assessment. On the basis of alert the security wings of police arrange for physical security of the threatened vulnerable places and installations. This exercise should not be confused with actionable intelligence generation. The logical sequence of security and intelligence drill is: Intelligence assessment>>Threat determination>>Alert Notice>>Intelligence generation to buttress the intelligence assessment. In case of Pune, even in case of 26/11 incident, intelligence assessment and threat determination stages were observed by the Central IB and the State police were adequately alerted.

The next important course of action is related to intelligence generation about the likely perpetrators of the terror action through Human Intelligence and Electronic Intelligence. In case of Pune, it was known that modules of the Indian Mujahideen and Lashkar-e-Taiba were active in Kondhwa, Janwadi etc areas of Pune. There were reports of several hardliner clerics from Azamgarh being employed in local madrasas and some of the Lashkar and IM members had recently migrated from Aurangabad and Pimpri to Pune. In spite of these inputs neither the Central IB nor the State police intelligence succeeded in generating Human Intelligence or Electronic Intelligence to decipher the nexus between the Pune plotters and their handlers in Pakistan and their planned modus operandi of the dastardly terror attack.

In simple language, there was complete intelligence blackout. None of the intelligence agencies had made any effort to penetrate the modules and cells which normally function from within the clustered Muslim areas in and around Pune and nearby towns. Such continuous failure to generate Human Intelligence and absence of sophisticated Electronic Intelligence is unpardonable. Informed Pune sources assert that the intelligence units in the city are in hibernating condition. There is no sophisticated equipment to gather electronic intelligence.

India may as well talk to Pakistan but must keep on the table the issue of dismantling terror infrastructure in the neighbouring country. Slogans are being raised in Pakistan that without solving the Kashmir problem any permanent peace can be achieved. There are points of view in India that Kashmir as a whole belongs to India and the Kashmir problem can only be solved if Pakistan vacates illegal occupation. From these diplomatic and strategic rigmaroles it is understood that this time around Indian and Pakistan would talk for the sake of talking. Engaging an adversary is good in diplomacy but not preparing the country to defend against that very enemy’s direct and proxy attack is a pointer to political and strategic bankruptcy. It is feared that the UPA government has run out of ideas and policies to fortify the country from sniper jihadi attacks to be followed by avalanche to jihadi rampage all over the country. Pune is just one of those indicators to starkly remind the country: We never learn lessons.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Feb 2010 09:22

Did you read the article? Looks like more disinfo fed from some where. If their mentors are so adept how come the pupils efforts are so pathetic?

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LeT al Alami has Iraqi links

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/Articl ... 002&mode=1
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pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 18 Feb 2010 09:32

ramana wrote:Did you read the article? Looks like more disinfo fed from some where. If their mentors are so adept how come the pupils efforts are so pathetic?

why would he do that? to make himself look better

saravanan · Post by **saravanan** » 18 Feb 2010 10:53

As a long time (but infrequent) lurker, I felt compelled to make my first post on BRF after reading the following Indian Express piece.

Fasten your seatbelts - K. Subrahmanyam
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/faste ... s/580760/1

Such a defeatist stance being advocated in this article !! Indian interests would be better placed by leveraging the fact that China (through its proxy Pakistan) is testing the US's commitment to its new partner (India) in the region.

Here is what India should present to the US :

A conventional retaliation for Pune (like Operation Parakram) would definitely give Pakistan the excuse to divert attention from fighting the Taliban on the western border, to facing the Indian "threat" on the eastern border and yes, this would adversely impact immediate US interests in Afghanistan.

But, considering India did not retaliate after Mumbai, Bangalore, Delhi, Hyderabad and Mumbai-2, if India still does not retaliate after Pune then she will irreversibly be perceived as weak - something the Chinese are working hard to achieve. While this is certainly not a pleasant prospect for a regional power like India, it would actually hurt the US much more.

Why ? Take the recent US Quadrennial Defence Review which stated that India is ideally positioned to police the entire Indian Ocean region - if India were perceived to be weak by the rest of the region, do you think she could effectively police the IOR ? Even Somalian pirates in rubber dinghys would be emoldened to thumb their nose at India. Does the US really want that ? Surely not, unless the US is ready to over-stretch its own military.

OK, so how can the US wiggle out of this one ? Simple, it must immediately help India in an unconventional retaliation against Pakistan, something that Pakistan cannot counter by shifting its troops from the western border with Afghanistan. More importantly, the US must not try too hard to hide the fact that it helped India retaliate.

Such an action will provide two crucial and long term benefits to the US :
1) A real chance of resolving the Afghanistan problem : Till now, Pakistan has supported the Taliban without fear of retribution, smug in the knowledge that they can hoodwink the US forever. US help for an Indian retaliation - especially when there is no effort on the part of the US to hide it - will force a change in Pakistan's attitude on Afghanistan.
2) China checked : the dragon will realize the seriousness of US commitment to this regon and give them pause in their relentless drive to rename the Indian Ocean as China Ocean.

Now, what could be an "unconventional" retaliation ? I am sure Indian military strategists can come up with a few scenarios, but here are a couple that I think will do the trick :
1) US and India share info on ISI field office locations (training grounds for Laskhar-e-Toiba). The US should take out a few in Balochistan using drones as part of their Afghan effort, while India sends a few Brahmos missiles to take out ISI offices in Sindh - preferably ones near Karachi where the "Karachi Plan" was hatched. There should not be any troop buildup by India in the border regions - just send the missiles westward and be done.

OR

2) The US provides India with necessary intelligence info to pinpoint the location of the Mumbai 26/11 handlers or the Pune planners and then provide logistical support to Indian special forces to capture/kill them.

The final question is - will Indian leadership boldly take such an approach with the US, or will they follow past precedent and be satisfied by certificates of "maturity" handed out by Robert Gates ?

Assuming the Indian leadership does act boldly, but the US does not cooperate, then India should go ahead with ANY retaliation, US interests in Afghanistan be damned.

If the US cooperates, then it is win-win.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2010 00:09

Blast was remote controlled

So it was likely set-off when the bakery worker was moving the bag. If there was line of sight to the bag.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2010 01:57

Pioneer, 19 Feb 2010

SOURCE

OPED | Friday, February 19, 2010 |

Shadow of 313 Brigade

Shashi Shekhar

The Pune bombing has come at a crucial juncture for India as Ilyas Kashmiri has called for renewed jihad, threatening to cripple normal life and sporting events. Perhaps if AfPak were to become Af-PoK, India might just be able to call his — and Pakistan’s — bluff

Two days after the Pune bomb blast there has been an indirect claim of responsibility from Ilyas Kashmiri’s 313 Brigade. The indirect claim comes in the form of an e-mail to Syed Saleem Shahzad of Asia Times. While the e-mail makes no direct mention of the Pune bombing it issues an explicit warning on the upcoming Indian Premier League Twenty20 Cricket League and the Commonwealth Games in Delhi. The e-mail also goes on to make threats against India on the Kashmir issue with specific reference to an incident at Badipuar. It also rakes up the 2002 Gujarat riots and the Babri masjid demolition.

At this time there is no independent corroboration of this indirect claim nor has the authenticity of the e-mail been established. It must also be stated for the record that there is no precedent of Ilyas Kashmiri’s 313 Brigade making direct claims of responsibility for attacks, a fact that even Syed Saleem Shahzad acknowledges. The e-mail must nevertheless be treated as another dot that must be connected and analysed within the overall body of evidence in the public domain.

While this e-mail is purported to have originated from 313 Brigade which is allied with the Pakistani Taliban and Al-Qaeda against the establishment in Pakistan, the explicit threat to Pune on February 5 was from Lashkar-e-Tayyeba’s parent Jamat-ud-Dawa’h which is known to be close to the establishment in Pakistan.

To better understand this apparent contradiction we must review the body of evidence that has emerged from the Chicago conspiracy case involving David Coleman Headley and Tahawwur Rana on how the Lashkar and 313 Brigade have collaborated.

As has been pointed out in this column on earlier occasions there existed a loose collaboration between Ilyas Kashmiri affiliated Major Abdur Rehman and the still to be identified Lashkar-e-Tayyeba commander presume to be Sajid Mir. Headley and Rana were known to be in touch with both and Rana specifically was charged with having obtained prior knowledge of the 26/11 Mumbai attacks from Abdur Rehman.

While the primary faultline between the 313 Brigade and the Lashkar was about terrorist attacks inside Pakistan, as the Karachi Project reveals there was a convergence between the two on attacks outside Pakistan. It must also be noted that in December, 2008 Syed Saleem Shahzad writing in the Asia Times had described this convergence as a collaboration between a Karachi-based ISI Major controlling Lashkar and the Ilyas Kashmiri controlled HuJI-B network in Bangladesh with Indian mujahideen foot soldiers in India like Abdul Subhan Tauqeer.

In December, 2009 there were a slew of reports on Al Qaeda’s strategy to shift the theatre of war outside the AfPak region to India, Yemen and other international targets. Since then we have learned that the failed Christmas day attack in the United States had originated in Yemen. These reports had also pointed to Al Qaeda’s strategy of disrupting the Nato supply route through Karachi. Since then Karachi has been witness to several attacks of terror aimed at sectarian targets while targeted killings continued unabated in that city. In the past few weeks there have also been reports of attacks on Nato supply trucks travelling from Karachi to the AfPak frontier.

While the credibility of this e-mail is yet to be established it would be imprudent to not connect the dots with another missive from Ilyas Kashmiri in recent weeks. On January 28 this columnist writing on the rise of Ilyas Kashmiri within Al Qaeda’s ranks had referenced a purported letter from Ilyas Kashmiri to Muttahida Jehad Council and Command Council a conglomerate of all major militant outfits based in Islamabad. The details that appeared in the Daily Excelsior listed the 313 HuJI brigade office at Main Madina, 14/118, No 17, Kotli in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Quoting from the letter, it said that Ilyas Kashmiri had asked the councils to replace ‘general mujahideen’ (normal militants) with fidayeens and push them into different parts of India, including Jammu & Kashmir for carrying out the terror strikes. It must be noted that in early February jihadi events in PoK to mark Kashmir Solidarity Day saw speaker after speaker almost answer Ilyas Kashmiri’s call for renewed jihad against India.

It is clear that there is a convergence of interests between the pro-establishment and anti-establishment jihadi factions in Pakistan on renewed terror attacks in India. With the recent push for talks between India and Pakistan it is clear that the establishment is looking for ways to avoid talks as it would be denied of excuses on postponing military offensives along the Durand Line. It is also clear that the Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda would like nothing better than distracting the Americans, since both have been at the receiving end of relentless Drone strikes in recent weeks.

The Pune bombing comes at a crucial juncture for India. While the Manmohan Singh-led UPA Government seems determined to pursue talks with Pakistan the principal political Opposition BJP has categorically demanded calling talks off in light of the renewed terror attacks. As the cycle of talks and terror is set to play itself out all over again it is unclear if India has an end game in sight.

India must evolve a long term strategy to deal with this convergence of interests between military and jihadi elements within Pakistan. Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities continue to provide it with a shield in waging asymmetric war against India through non-state players. With limited covert options it is time India brought international focus to Ilyas Kashmiri inspired jihadi activity in PoK. Perhaps if AfPak were to become Af-PoK India might just be able to call Pakistan’s nuclear bluff.

-- The writer, an expert on security affairs, tracks terrorism in South Asia.

So he is saying that the involvement of Illyas Kashmiri gives India a chance to convert Af-Pak to Af-PoK? But we dont want to ruin PoK. We should work to drain the PoK of normal terrorists.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Feb 2010 08:12

So the new paki logic is that if international community doesn't pressure India to give up cashmere, then jeehard is justified. I think TSP mastered the techinique of jeehard. It cannot be cured by logic or love. It needs mushroom clouds.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Feb 2010 08:14

RamaY wrote:So the new paki logic is that if international community doesn't pressure India to give up cashmere, then jeehard is justified. I think TSP mastered the techinique of jeehard. It cannot be cured by logic or love. It needs mushroom clouds.

What Pune bombing non response will do is to bring out more vociferous outpourings from TSP non state actors. Lets see what else gets revealed. Eventually all will pay price.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 19 Feb 2010 08:19

Kuldip Nayar needs to be taken to court

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rism-hs-01

More worrisome ((than Islamic terrrorists) are the Hindu extremists rearing their head. The murder of police officer Hemant Karkare, who was probing the Malegaon blasts, was the doing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad or Bajrang Dal. Such instances may tell upon our pluralistic polity. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) may not be siding with the communal organisations openly. But the overall control of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) on these groups endangers our secular ethos.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 19 Feb 2010 08:25

^

That guy should be tried for slander. New low for WKKs now he has been promoted to RIP.

negi · Post by **negi** » 19 Feb 2010 08:25

^ I wonder whatever rag did BDutt use to harass the blogger who had published her misadventure in Kargil can be used to used to nail this low life.

Btw yet another despo pukes .

Hindutva terror probe haunts Pune investigation

I wonder how can people write such irresponsibly in national dailies .

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 19 Feb 2010 08:33

^ I wonder whatever rag did BDutt use to harass the blogger who had published her misadventure in Kargil can be used to used to nail this low life.

Could you give us the link?

She claims that she has not done so?

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Feb 2010 08:34

negi wrote:^ I wonder whatever rag did BDutt use to harass the blogger who had published her misadventure in Kargil can be used to used to nail this low life.

Btw yet another despo pukes .

Hindutva terror probe haunts Pune investigation

I wonder how can people write such irresponsibly in national dailies .

True. The article's line of reasoning is as follows:

Even as the police detained more than two dozen young Muslim men for questioning, some community leaders have been arguing that the bakery attack could just have easily been carried out by a Hindutva group.

Part of the reason for the controversy is that key suspects involved in Abhinav Bharat’s terror campaign have never been held.

Judging by recent Hindutva terror attacks, like last year’s bombings in Goa, it is unclear if they still have the capabilities to mount a sophisticated attack of the kind seen in Pune. Few investigators believe that the organisations — or other Hindutva cells — mounted the operation. “Still”, says one Maharashtra police official involved in investigating both Hindutva and jihadist attacks, “you can’t help wondering — what if?”

Signs are the investigation into the bombing of the German Bakery will take time. All that investigators have by way of suspects are three men recorded holding brief meetings before the blast by a poor-quality closed-circuit television camera. From the videotape, it is unclear if the men had anything to do with the attack.

The longer the investigation takes, the more time conspiracy theories and speculation will have to proliferate — likely deepening the communal fissures the bombing is already opening up.

What is the standard for rational discourse?

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 19 Feb 2010 08:40

Jarita wrote:Kuldip Nayar needs to be taken to court

There is also IPC 153A(b). An FIR would do to get the ball rolling.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 19 Feb 2010 08:55

saravanan wrote:Fasten your seatbelts - K. Subrahmanyam
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/faste ... s/580760/1

Such a defeatist stance being advocated in this article

Diplomacy is not spilling the beans before it been executed. Some of things he says here is not palatable for me too. It is better to listen and observe the ground than marking him as defeatist. Eitherway he is not a defeatist.

Masaru · Post by **Masaru** » 19 Feb 2010 09:52

Even as the police detained more than two dozen young Muslim men for questioning, some community leaders have been arguing that the bakery attack could just have easily been carried out by a Hindutva group.

Well why is Mr. Swami leaving out the the other two Ys of the YYY conspiracy theory?

How about djinns, martians or aliens from Andromeda? There is no proof that these groups are not involved, neither
have any of the djinns ever been apprehended after their deeds as per the accounts of the purelanders!

This much CT even after some group claiming responsibility and the place being under surveillance of David Deadly!

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Feb 2010 10:26

Jarita wrote:Kuldip Nayar needs to be taken to court

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rism-hs-01

More worrisome ((than Islamic terrrorists) are the Hindu extremists rearing their head. The murder of police officer Hemant Karkare, who was probing the Malegaon blasts, was the doing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad or Bajrang Dal. Such instances may tell upon our pluralistic polity. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) may not be siding with the communal organisations openly. But the overall control of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) on these groups endangers our secular ethos.

This is what is called Stockholm syndrome.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2010 02:38

Op-Ed in Pioneer, 20 Feb 2010

Coping with illiberal tradition

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Feb 2010 03:20

CRamS wrote:
Jarita wrote:Kuldip Nayar needs to be taken to court

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rism-hs-01

More worrisome ((than Islamic terrrorists) are the Hindu extremists rearing their head. The murder of police officer Hemant Karkare, who was probing the Malegaon blasts, was the doing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad or Bajrang Dal. Such instances may tell upon our pluralistic polity. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) may not be siding with the communal organisations openly. But the overall control of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) on these groups endangers our secular ethos.
This is what is called Stockholm syndrome.

I believe it's much worse than Stockholm syndrome. It's a calculated step.

Not only is the MMS regime forging ahead with peace talks and avoiding punitive measures even while Indians are dying in Pakistani terrorist attacks-- but the MMS regime is further taking advantage of these terrorist attacks to build political capital for itself. It responds to terrorist attacks by slandering its domestic political opposition-- making baseless, blue-sky allegations via its media mouthpieces.

Whenever a bomb goes off, from now on, you will see the MMS regime (1) keep the "peace process" going, to the benefit of foreign interests and (2) imply by proxy that the attack may have been carried out by some "Hindootva terrorist group", so that the entire Sangh (including the BJP) appear plausibly responsible.

Short step from here to outright political persecution, using as a pretext the deaths of Indian citizens killed thanks to the MMS regime's own pusillanimity.

As I said, India was an inexpensive country under previous governments, but it sure is a Free country now!

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 20 Feb 2010 05:35

How I wish we do not go the Pureland way

Crucial evidence in the Pune blast case may have been lost as the Pune police, initially assuming it to be an LPG explosion, called in the fire brigade and asked it to wash the site clean to prevent further damage.

Immediately after the explosion at German Bakery at 6.52 pm on February 13, the police summoned the fire brigade, saying there had been a cylinder blast and the place needed cleaning up. Within minutes, six fire tenders reached the spot.

All is not lost though

However, in this case, most leads into the make of the bomb and the use of ammonium nitrate, fuel oil and RDX were obtained from shrapnels found on victims’ bodies, another expert said.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2010 08:01

Jarita wrote:Kuldip Nayar needs to be taken to court

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... rism-hs-01

More worrisome ((than Islamic terrrorists) are the Hindu extremists rearing their head. The murder of police officer Hemant Karkare, who was probing the Malegaon blasts, was the doing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad or Bajrang Dal. Such instances may tell upon our pluralistic polity. The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) may not be siding with the communal organisations openly. But the overall control of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) on these groups endangers our secular ethos.

Didnt the dossier reveal that Kasab and the other guy ambush Karkare? So is Kuldip[ Nayar's contention that Kasab is Hindutva? And what about the Headley case revelations? Was he also a quintuple agent of Hindutva?
And the 'senior' officer of Maharashtra Police in the Swami article, did he get his seniority by just hanging on in the force and not for any thinking?

archan · Post by **archan** » 20 Feb 2010 08:38

I agree with RD on this one. Unfortunately this is no syndrome vyndrome, this is a calculated, deliberate and very malicious statement.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 20 Feb 2010 10:07

Rudradev wrote:It responds to terrorist attacks by slandering its domestic political opposition-- making baseless, blue-sky allegations via its media mouthpieces.

Which gives Pakis a field day, exactly like the Samjhauta farce.

This is bordering on treason. But RD, I bet you the BJP will stay mum. They always manage to miss all the important things, while getting entangled in trivia.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2010 10:11

archan wrote:I agree with RD on this one. Unfortunately this is no syndrome vyndrome, this is a calculated, deliberate and very malicious statement.

Its like Kalabandar in the movie Delhi-6 to consolidate the confused(mango people) around the wicked (the bade log).

Also its interesting that KPN and Praveen Swami and the Maha policeman all spout the theory same time. Maybe there was group think or message to spread the same was issued.

I wonder if any one has posted refs to that in this very thread and when?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 20 Feb 2010 10:28

pgbhat wrote:^
That guy should be tried for slander. New low for WKKs now he has been promoted to RIP.

What about those on this thread itself? See this page itself.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 20 Feb 2010 10:57

God forbid, and I shudder to think that if some nut ball who happens to be Hindu, does something stupid, like place a bomb, or even something more trivial, and is caught; can you guys imagine the tizzy India elites will go into, the tizzy MMS/Sonia will go into about "Hindu terrorism", each elite competing with the other in the condemnation and flagellation, and the secularist cacophony will reach a crescendo. God forbid, if something like that were to happen, any moral underpinning if any that India would have over TSP terror will evaporate in a heartbeat.

Speaking of which this may not be the right thread, but just see how casually Amercians dismissed one of their own who crashed his aircraft into an IRS office in Texas. There was not even a whiff of an attempt to do equal equal and compare this guy with those who executed 9/11. But as I said above, a Hindu in India caught in an act however trivial, but has paralleles with Isalmist terror, I don't even want to imagine what we would do to ourselves.

Natt · Post by **Natt** » 20 Feb 2010 11:06

Another injured student passes away. RIP
http://www.ndtv.com/news/india/pune_bla ... _to_12.php

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 20 Feb 2010 11:32

313 has started to appear painted on some autorikshas and taxis in Bangalore.

Watch for it.