Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Dileep · Post by **Dileep** » 27 Mar 2010 11:14

shiv wrote: It was the new button that was being tested..

"The Curious Case of Befuddle Button"

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Mar 2010 11:50

VinodTK wrote:'Dhanush' missile test fired

There is one thing about the Dhanush missile that has puzzled me.

What surface vessel will be used as the platform to launch the Dhanush missile

I really cannot see the platform being the Sukanya class OPV’s from which all launches so far, IIRC, have taken place. Wheeling the missile out at launch time and planting it on the helideck of this class of OPV where the missile sticks out exposed to the elements appears strictly an interim solution restricted to the missile testing phase.

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 27 Mar 2010 13:37

Akshut wrote: According to this logic, India has to choose- either Shield, or Diplomacy.

NO

WE NEED BOTH

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Mar 2010 07:04

More on the Dhanush, Prithvi test

An indigenously-developed advanced navigation and guidance system, which was tested in the two launches, provided a very high degree of accuracy, according to Defence Research and Development Organisation officials. The officials said range independent software for carrying out the two flight tests almost simultaneously was also validated.

The flight-testing of nuclear-capable surface-to-surface Agni-I (700km range) is scheduled for Sunday.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 28 Mar 2010 09:17

Launch of INS Chennai

http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2010/03/k ... april.html

will they arm these ships with a 4*2 VLS for carrying either an Agni-5 for sat launch or 3 Shaurya per canister for land attack? like the VLS on the Arihant

Agni-5 without the payload fairing can be stored in the VLS, a seaking could deliver the payload when needed from a land location

so far they have test launched Dhanush from the aft of a ship so likely this VLS goes to the aft

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Mar 2010 13:34

News ticker reporting Agni-I successfully testfired.

If the old stocks/production models are being fired ( to check working), wonder why no A-II?

dinesha · Post by **dinesha** » 28 Mar 2010 14:33

India tests nuclear-capable Agni I missile
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/unc ... 40418.html

SanjibGhosh · Post by **SanjibGhosh** » 28 Mar 2010 14:37

Agni-1 successfully test-fired off Orissa coast
http://www.ptinews.com/news/585075_Agni ... issa-coast

Balasore (Orissa), Mar 28 (PTI) India today successfully test-fired its indigenously developed, nuclear-capable, short range ballistic missile (SRBM) Agni-1 from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler Island, about 100 km from here off the Orissa coast.

"It was a fantastic mission carried out by the Indian Army. The test-fire of the Agni-I missile met all parameters," director of ITR S P Dash told PTI.

Blasted off from a rail mobile launcher, the surface-to-surface, single-stage missile, powered by solid propellants, roared into the sky trailing behind a column of orange and white thick smoke at about 1305 hours.

"After piercing the sky, the missile re-entered the earth's atmosphere and its dummy warhead impacted in the waters of the Bay of Bengal in the down range," a defence official said from the launch site, adding that the guidance and re-entry system worked well.

I am loving it ....

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dipak · Post by **dipak** » 28 Mar 2010 14:48

Agni-1 test-fired off Orissa coast

India on Sunday successfully test-fired its indigenously developed, nuclear-capable, short range ballistic missile (SRBM) Agni-1 from the Integrated Test Range (ITR) at Wheeler Island, about 100 km from Balasore off Orissa coast.

"It was a fantastic mission carried out by the Indian Army [ Images ]. The test-fire of the Agni-I missile met all parameters," director of ITR S P Dash told PTI.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Mar 2010 14:59

Before Indian BMD project was made public, there was a flurry of various Prithvi tests. Can we expect something similar here ? Or Agni missile being used as a target in case Prithvi is not able to simulate all the required target parameters ?

sunilpatel · Post by **sunilpatel** » 28 Mar 2010 15:14

Dhanush is tested extensively from last few time...
i think it will be first wave of attack to block the karachi...1971, stykes...

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Mar 2010 16:07

Some more on Agni-I

A specialised navigation and guidance system enabled the missile to close in on the target with a high degree of accuracy.

Tallies with the Prithvi & Dhanush missile tests yesterday. So, a general upgrade to RLG & accelerometers has been now done to these missiles.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 28 Mar 2010 19:42

"Quote:
A specialised navigation and guidance system enabled the missile to close in on the target with a high degree of accuracy.

Tallies with the Prithvi & Dhanush missile tests yesterday. So, a general upgrade to RLG & accelerometers has been now done to these missiles."

Out of curiosity, what was the 'old' guidance system onboard these missiles? They were indigenous, were they not, with perhaps some imported components.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 28 Mar 2010 20:32

SSridhar wrote:A specialised navigation and guidance system enabled the missile to close in on the target with a high degree of accuracy.

Tallies with the Prithvi & Dhanush missile tests yesterday. So, a general upgrade to RLG & accelerometers has been now done to these missiles.

Also SSridhar-ji, this was what was said after Agni-III test in PIB http://www.pib.nic.in/release/rel_print ... elid=57681

FOURTH TEST FLIGHT OF LONG RANGE MISSILE AGNI-3 SUCCESSFUL

The missile is equipped with a state of the art computer system, navigated with a most advanced Navigation system and guided with an innovative guidance scheme. The Navigation system used for guidance is first of its kind.

Also the Prithvi test said that "Range independent software" was tested and validated.

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Mar 2010 21:20

Only thing is we seem to have stopped with the A-I and the Prithvi series. Wonder if the technical snags of production version for A-II still remain which caused A-II not being test fired in last 2 days?

Or is it that A-II already had the "new and improved" navigation ad so no need to validate it?

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 28 Mar 2010 21:59

Surya wrote:From the article

Consider this - a column of Pakistani tanks rumble towards the Indian border, ready to blast their way into the country. The Indian border defences watch in horror as the Pakistani tanks approach. Then B-52 aircraft flies in and drops a CBU-105 bomb. A single bomb releases several small bomblets which identify their individual targets destroying them almost simultaneously.

I am not sure whether to laugh or cry at this.

YES
This is the exact scene in one Tom Clancy's novel, The Bear and the ....something soemething.

A few USAF a/c with plenty of JSOWS seem to destroy hundreds on panda's tanks

AAP KE MUH MAIN GHEE SHAKAR !!!

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 28 Mar 2010 22:20

^^^
The bear and the dlagon?

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 29 Mar 2010 01:28

derkonig wrote:^^^
The bear and the dlagon?

YES

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Mar 2010 01:43

derkonig wrote:^^^
The bear and the dlagon?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bear_and_the_Dragon

Author Tom Clancy
Country United States
Language English
Series Ryanverse
Genre(s) Thriller novel
Publisher G.P. Putnam's Sons
Publication date 2000

What we wee is that it was written in 2000 and the scenario they had worked was like this.
Prop up Pakistan from 1980 onwards so that it becomes a threat to India.
Prop up PRC from 1972 so that it becomes a threat to India.

US will come to India as the supporter of Freedom and defend India from attacks by Pakistan and PRC.
They need the Indians to come and ask for help very much for this

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Mar 2010 04:53

Hat-trick for missile technologists, armed forces

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 29 Mar 2010 07:47

ramana wrote:Folks take a look at this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Haack

And this site on links to wiki on Projectiles

http://edwardbetts.com/find_link?q=Projectile

It was from Haack series that the aerodynamics of various nose-cone designs began to be studied, especially the Von-Karman and the tangent ogive. Inlet geometry which came after this period has modified a lot of the original design. Nowadays, it is the turn of avionics to be the deciding parameter.

sawant · Post by **sawant** » 29 Mar 2010 09:45

Akshut wrote: According to this logic, India has to choose- either Shield, or Diplomacy.

I think just like the mullas threaten us with nooks at the drop of a hat (salwaar?) ... paralysing our netas and army brass.... we shd use the ABM as a tactic to paralyse their mind and ward off against mischief...

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 29 Mar 2010 22:41

nukavarapu wrote:In an event of conflict between the father and the illegitimate pure-blood step-son(who was separated by english second-wife, because she was worried of teenage expenses)

amazing explanation

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 30 Mar 2010 02:54

Brahmos cleared for Air Force

The government last week inked a Rs 11,600-crore agreement that will pave the way for formal induction of the Brahmos missile into the Indian Air Force (IAF),

besides giving two more regiments of the supersonic land attack system to the Army.

The IAF has ordered the Block II advanced version which can home in on a particular land target amongst a group of similar targets, making it the only supersonic cruise missile with such precise strike capabilities.

Ankit

Brahmananda · Post by **Brahmananda** » 30 Mar 2010 11:37

The same article also says a smaller version of the brahmos is in the works which is also very nice news. If the weight of the smaller version is below 1200kg we can induct it on the lca. i hope its light enough to go on board the mrca, jag and mirage as well.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Mar 2010 11:53

^^^ prolly they mean lighter brahmos and slightly smaller which is what Brahmos airlaunched version is lighter by ~ 500 kg and has smaller booster.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 31 Mar 2010 21:27

very important bit of news that got hidden in the other thread.

X-posting.

dinesha wrote:Laser-guided bombs tested successfully
http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... kuKw=&SEO=

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 31 Mar 2010 22:00

Very interesting. How does the pilot know that a certain target is within range of his LGB? Does the laser designator also compute the distance to target?

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 01 Apr 2010 23:47

Prithvi Target Missile Failure Due to Flight Control Component Failure, No Design Problems: Investigators

The embarrassing malfunction of the Prithvi target missile that ended up aborting India's Advanced Air Defence (AAD) interceptor missile test on March 15, was caused by the material malfunction of a minor component in the flight control system, scientists associated with the investigation have told LiveFist.
...
..
Quality control is aggravating things immeasurably in India's missile programme. Missiles that are absolutely fine on the drawing board -- and successful in most tests -- are ending up with a dud reputation as a result of poor quality assurance of minor components, some of them laughably minor, but thunderingly significant at ballistic missile velocities, as was made shudderingly clear in the Agni-III's disastrous debut test and the Agni-2 test in November last year.
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sunilpatel · Post by **sunilpatel** » 02 Apr 2010 00:02

any info...which mizails are planned for nuke subs??? Brahmos, shaurya, nirbhay...
i think all these are very short legged when our good neighbours are equipped with 8k Range fatakhas....

Agni SLBM!!! any panwala..with good Zarda.... ??!!

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 10 Apr 2010 02:06

After the Harpy, we're now getting the Harop too. a very wise decision. This weapon can be used to take care of Pakistan's C3I network and SAM sites. Unfortunately the article doesn't mention the size or value of the order, so we don't know how many the IAF will get.

IAF orders IAI Harop loitering munition

DATE:09/04/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Indian air force orders Harop loitering munitions
By Arie Egozi

The Indian air force is to purchase Israel Aerospace Industries' Harop loitering munition system, with deliveries next year.

Suitable for launch from a variety of platforms, the long-endurance Harop has tactical unmanned air vehicle-type capabilities, including an electro-optical/infrared seeker providing 360° coverage. The aircraft can search for, detect and attack high-value mobile, time-critical and moving targets at land or sea, and with pinpoint accuracy from long range, IAI says.

Each Harop system comprises transportable launchers and a mission control shelter that provides a man-in-the-loop function to approve engagements or abort attacks in real time to avoid collateral damage. The system can be used across a range of scenarios, from low- to high-intensity conflicts, urban warfare and counter-terror operations.

After launch, a Harop air vehicle navigates towards a target area and loiters while searching for targets. If an attack mission is aborted, the UAV can be returned to loitering mode before making a new strike. Another Harop can be used to deliver real-time video to support battle damage assessment tasks.

IAI's success builds on its previous sale of Harpy attack drones to India several years ago, and follows a German army order for the Harop system signed last year with the company and Rheinmetall Defence.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 10 Apr 2010 02:07

Chatted with my Chaddi buddy.

New Star sighting system is on the works. Also new very high precision, very very expensive gyros -- these gyros are not for missile applications (not for high acceleration, sudden change of direction type INS), but to locate position precisely even after weeks of no GPS calibration in slower moving vehicles.

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 10 Apr 2010 02:32

Anujan wrote:...
Also new very high precision, very very expensive gyros -- these gyros are not for missile applications (not for high acceleration, sudden change of direction type INS), but to locate position precisely even after weeks of no GPS calibration in slower moving vehicles.

...slower moving vehicles like nuclear submarines?

Bheem · Post by **Bheem** » 10 Apr 2010 12:36

Or

ships, road mobile nuclear conveys, speicialised vehicles in artillery and armour formations to deal with GPS being switched off or jammed or tinkered with

maitya · Post by **maitya** » 10 Apr 2010 14:42

PratikDas wrote:
Anujan wrote:...
Also new very high precision, very very expensive gyros -- these gyros are not for missile applications (not for high acceleration, sudden change of direction type INS), but to locate position precisely even after weeks of no GPS calibration in slower moving vehicles.
...slower moving vehicles like nuclear submarines?

^^

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 10 Apr 2010 16:12

Kartik wrote:After the Harpy, we're now getting the Harop too. a very wise decision. This weapon can be used to take care of Pakistan's C3I network and SAM sites. Unfortunately the article doesn't mention the size or value of the order, so we don't know how many the IAF will get.

IAF orders IAI Harop loitering munition
DATE:09/04/10
SOURCE:Flight International
Indian air force orders Harop loitering munitions
By Arie Egozi

The Indian air force is to purchase Israel Aerospace Industries' Harop loitering munition system, with deliveries next year.

Suitable for launch from a variety of platforms, the long-endurance Harop has tactical unmanned air vehicle-type capabilities, including an electro-optical/infrared seeker providing 360° coverage. The aircraft can search for, detect and attack high-value mobile, time-critical and moving targets at land or sea, and with pinpoint accuracy from long range, IAI says.

Each Harop system comprises transportable launchers and a mission control shelter that provides a man-in-the-loop function to approve engagements or abort attacks in real time to avoid collateral damage. The system can be used across a range of scenarios, from low- to high-intensity conflicts, urban warfare and counter-terror operations.

After launch, a Harop air vehicle navigates towards a target area and loiters while searching for targets. If an attack mission is aborted, the UAV can be returned to loitering mode before making a new strike. Another Harop can be used to deliver real-time video to support battle damage assessment tasks.

IAI's success builds on its previous sale of Harpy attack drones to India several years ago, and follows a German army order for the Harop system signed last year with the company and Rheinmetall Defence.

We're getting 10 harop systems is what I have consistently heard

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 11 Apr 2010 18:29

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/632 ... -1000.html

India is developing a sub-sonic 1,000-km range cruise missile ''Nirbhay'' which can be used for a ''variety of applications'', a top military scientist said here on Sunday.

The 1000-kg "missile is getting into some shape", Dr V K Saraswat, Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister and Chief of Defence Research and Development Organisation said.

He also said the flight-trial of air-to-air missile 'Astra', having a range of 45 to 100 km, is on the cards. Saraswat was delivering the keynote address at a national convention on 'The Frontiers of Aeronautical Technologies', organised by the Aeronautical Society of India here.

He said India's armed forces are looking for long duration loitering missiles which can enter "enemy territory", search targets such as radars, concentration of assets and "a variety of movements of enemy", "home-on" the targets and "bang" them.

"We need to develop (loitering missiles)", he said. Saraswat made a strong push for deploying space-based sensors to keep tab on "adversaries" and gather intelligence via-a-vis defence surveillance.

He said space-based sensors are a must for tracking and detection of movements of enemies. Unless it have space-based sensors, India would not be able to make its ballistic missile defence system a "potent weapon", the scientist said. India is launching a major programme for surveillance, particularly space-based, in terms of electro-optical payload and synthetic aperture radar. "So, unless we prepare ourselves for future space-based systems, security is going to be a major issue," he said.

On anti-satellite (ASAT) system, Saraswat said ballistic missile defence has some elements required for ASAT. India has the capability in this area in terms of "kill vehicle", boosters and radars. But he noted that "some more building blocks are required to be developed".

However, India has no plans to demonstrate its capability in terms of killing a satellite in orbit -- unlike China which undertook such a mission in 2007 --, saying "we don't believe in that (ASAT programme)".

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 11 Apr 2010 19:09

wise decision - unkil will surely degrade or turn off GPS over indian footprint in a war situation should it look like we are getting an upper hand.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Apr 2010 19:17

Snippet in THE WEEK says that reporter's chaiwallahs have told him about Surya-I and Surya-II being in development.

First time am hearing about a Surya-II

( seems its a 12K range missile). Surya-I is supposed to be a 9K range missile( 1.5 ton payload)

Jonathan Allen · Post by **Jonathan Allen** » 11 Apr 2010 19:44

SUM,

Could you post a link or the excerpt from 'The Week' ?