Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 23 Apr 2010 23:07

ramana wrote:Satya_anveshi,

After David Headley/Daoud Gilani's ties to US agencies and the TSPA terrorist outfits one doesnt know demarcation. Instead of mouthing platitiudes and self congratulations in fooling India with the "plea bargain" it might be useful to look up the Indian CMD about those who assist the enemies in carrying out nuke attacks on India.

Ramana garu,

I had that point in my mind but was using utmost caution to not use escalatory response just yet. Of course, that thought is very valid and I also agree that it may, perhaps, nip the bud early on.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 23 Apr 2010 23:13

“India, Pakistan must resume talks”: Pakistan security sources

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/internati ... 408818.ece

The sources declined to name the foreign intelligence agencies suspected to be involved in Balochistan and frontier areas, nor did they offer proof of their activities. “The work of intelligence is not to leave signatures, not to leave behind anything on the table. Not all the [militant] groups are indigenous. There are substantial arms, ammunition and money from other sources,” they said, while cautioning, “If you hit us, we will hit you hard and leave no signatures as well.”

Banning groups was no solution; that would only lead to the formation of splinter groups, the sources said. Though south Punjab in Pakistan, home to several anti-India militant groups, was densely populated, the state had access to all parts of the region and operations were constantly taking place. “Still a lot of efforts are on. The way Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan was organised, there is no huge organisation [here] which has a huge area to itself. Military is not required.”

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Apr 2010 23:20

sum wrote:
saket wrote:Afghan journalist tweets that Taliban have reportedly killed the kidnapped former ISI officers and journalist.
http://twitter.com/Hairan
I hope this is true.

What goes around must come around ( though i still feel its a ISD managed drama, the reason for this drama is unclear though)

Fox reporting 4 headless bodies found in Pakiland. Hope they belong to these pious Paki people now peeking in papadisio.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 23 Apr 2010 23:37

Two weekly holidays for banks and government offices

Meanwhile, Water and Power Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf claimed that the overall conservation methods would result in a saving of 1,800 megawatts.

How about Pacquis closing their respiratory system for few minutes, if that happens, world peace can't be far away.

Pacquistan seems to be heading right down the Pacquistan despite all the artificial life support by the 3.5 Hakims, having said that it has been a long time since an IED Mubarak in downtown Faujitown Pindi. Hope the bad Taliban won't disappoint this weekend.

Hey Paklurks, don't go to work tomorrow

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2010 00:22

Just a thought:

If our power problems are on their way to solution, it may be a good idea to start Kary-Langoor type media hoopla that India can offer an hour of power to some selected sectors of Pakistan; Of course we will have our set up conditions and Pukes will sign of the dotted lines just as they did with Kary-Langoor bill.

After a few months of debate and reconciled gains, we can offer them per the agreement.

Of course, as expected Paki army will have to come out and take a stand contradictory to common man's interest.

if the agreement did not happen, what goes of my father but we gain all the media limelight and paki army stands exposed.

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 24 Apr 2010 00:51

Confessions of a Pakistani spy

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 24 Apr 2010 00:55

Zazi's Pal pleads guilty in N.Y. terror plot
Cab driver Zarein Ahmedzay, (Classmate and co-conspirator of Najibullah Zazi) pleaded guilty in federal court in Brooklyn to conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction ..

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 24 Apr 2010 01:37

Satya_anveshi wrote:Just a thought:

If our power problems are on their way to solution, it may be a good idea to start Kary-Langoor type media hoopla that India can offer an hour of power to some selected sectors of Pakistan; Of course we will have our set up conditions and Pukes will sign of the dotted lines just as they did with Kary-Langoor bill.

After a few months of debate and reconciled gains, we can offer them per the agreement.

Of course, as expected Paki army will have to come out and take a stand contradictory to common man's interest.

if the agreement did not happen, what goes of my father but we gain all the media limelight and paki army stands exposed.

Actually, this may be a brilliant idea. What if India proposes a number of nuke reactors to be built in India by US companies (funded by the US) whose output is sent to TSP? US 'does something' about the Paki energy shortage while cutting off argument about 'India-like' nuke deal as well as putting an end to Iranian sale of electricity.

The fact that the reactors are in India makes it more financeable and makes the Pakis dependent on India so they don't rock the boat. Sort of a 'Bijli Ki asha'. If Corpse Camandus object, Turn up the PR heat.

Surplus power can be routed to the Indian grid. And, India of course, benefits from the labor input.

You should really develop this idea further. Chanakyan thinking truly

Keep having such thoughts

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 24 Apr 2010 02:10

Folks,

Please post any and every news, tweet, blog post and such on the Khawaja/Col. Imam "kidnapping" saga. Until now I've been of the view that this whole kidnap thing is a drama that both of the fellows cooked up to either put pressure on TSPA to release some guys or alternatively as a sort of "anticipatory bail" i.e. get "kidnapped" to avoid getting into the hands of Unkil etc.

However, this Asia Times article by our old favorite S.S.S causes my spider sense

to tell me that this may be different. Khawaja's video clips appear to be coerced and it seems that he has had a "Come to Jesus" moment with the people he betrayed.

Note that with Imam's son being a serving Brigadier and Khawaja having two sons in the Army as well, these guys' loyalties clearly appear to be with TSPA, despite their fiery protests and such. In other words, they are sell outs from a betrayed jihadi's viewpoint.

It may very well turn out to be one of the more visible backlash incidents by the formerly good and recently turned "bad" jihadi elements against the people that betrayed them within TSPA. The GHQ attack and the bombing campaign around that time was one of the salvos but if the likes of Khawaja and Imam are killed, then I bet Hamid Gul will be wearing dark brown shalwars soon and even Hafiz Saeed will not be comfy in his safe house.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Apr 2010 02:15

Kashmir pact was just a signature away: Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 850851.cms

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Apr 2010 02:28

Window of talks with India open, says Islamabad

http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 408930.ece

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 24 Apr 2010 02:31

Kasuri said that both countries, realizing the sensitivity of such a deal, had agreed not to declare victory or tom-tom the negotiations. He said that hardline separatist Syed Ali Shah Gilani was the only Kashmiri leader who refused to come on board. "He would accept nothing but merger with Pakistan, which ironically is something we too wanted but knew wasn’t practical. I once had a seven-to-eight hour meeting with him and even Musharraf met him but he refused to budge," Kasuri said. He refused to give details of the stance other moderate Kashmiri leaders adopted.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Apr 2010 02:35

^^ The Govt should have discussed these issues in the Parliament before accepting such deals.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 24 Apr 2010 02:59

BTW Ejaz Haider moved to Newsweek. I didn't know.

Shalav · Post by **Shalav** » 24 Apr 2010 03:02

That's musharaff's musharaff saying this. Nothing to substantiate this anywhere from credible Indian sources.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Apr 2010 03:20

you mean kasturi = M^2?
and that brigadier buffoon spokesmard = M^3?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 24 Apr 2010 03:50

Defendant in N.Y. terror plot says al-Qaeda leaders ordered attack

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 24 Apr 2010 03:57

Shalav wrote:That's musharaff's musharaff saying this. Nothing to substantiate this anywhere from credible Indian sources.

Why doesn't MMS or one of his minions come out and deny this? Why doesn't the media ask some tough questions?

shynee · Post by **shynee** » 24 Apr 2010 04:08

Godfather “Kidnapped” by Children, Col. Imam and Taliban

There are some very confusing aspects of this incident. Firstly, why would Taliban arrest a former godfather, who was the most prominent defenders of Taliban in international media? “Asian Tigers” is heard for the first time; generally Taliban groups are named after Arab commanders during and after Prophet Muhammad. Its first time they are claiming responsibility with a name of English words. In the video, the two former ISI officers say they came to Waziristan on suggestions of Former Chief of Pakistan Army General Aslam Baig and Former Director General of ISI, General Hamid Gul, whom the US tried to declare a terrorist from the UN Security Council. While Hamid Gul has denied about his suggestion, talking to BBC Urdu. He says “its seems like a conspiracy of the US against me. And I don’t believe they are arrested by Pakistani or Afghan Taliban. Taliban would never do this. It’s any criminal group.” If they are not kidnapped by Taliban, why militants have not denied this yet? As quoted above, a Taliban commander had earlier confirmed arrival of the three “detainees” as “guests with Commander Waliur Rehman.” In the video, Taliban declare the former intelligence officials as the “enemies of Islam and Muslims”. Secondly, if abductors are a criminal group, why would they demand release of Taliban leaders? And one cannot believe Taliban—having full control in the areas of Waziristan where they have been kidnapped—are unaware of “criminal groups”. Actually, Hamid Gul himself is trying a conspiracy in the mid of extreme shock and confusion on this act of his children—Taliban.

There have been claims that Afghan and Pakistani Taliban have only ideological links. They used to operate altogether in Afghanistan before the US arrival, but have no operational links now. Why Pakistani Taliban would demand release of Afghan Taliban leaders, if they have no operational links? Mullah Mansoor Dadullah is the brother of notorious Taliban commander Mullah Dadullah—infamous for killing thousands of civilians during Taliban rule—who was killed by US forces in Afghanistan in 2007. Their all family members—from Chaman city of Pakistan near Kandahar city of Afghanistan—are in the ranks of Taliban

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2010 04:32

If one looks at Khalid Khawaja's vids on U-tube, you will notice that his dressing style is uniquely Mehsudian. This is in constrast to Tarrar guy wearing a different style white turban.

If this news about "kidnapping by TTP" is correct, then obviously focus will be more on Khalid guy.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 24 Apr 2010 04:36

Looks like Khawaja is the target and Imam may be set free. Multiple reports suggest that the people who have these guys are specifically angry about the role Khawaja may have played in the Lal Masjid betrayal. Specifically, Khawaja appears to be the guy who tricked that Abdul Aziz guy to come out in a burqa and then got him humiliated on national TV.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Apr 2010 05:14

More than Iran, what Obama fears is Pakistan’s Islamic extremist taking control of the country’s nuclear arsenal. The AfPak scenario drawn by the US intelligence is more than alarming. If the current trends are not reversed, the US risk to loose both the war in Afghanistan and control of its Muslim neighbour.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-700oZDTsq4

The maps here seems to be interesting. Where is it from

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Apr 2010 05:24

New Middle East Map - Iran Turkey India Pakistan Arabia - Brzezinski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmPTleGK2fM

New maps of the regions with Turkey and Iran forming large states

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Apr 2010 05:47

Wow! I guessed the Khawaja development right

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Apr 2010 06:25

shiv wrote:
Rishi wrote:N-Joi

IDSA Analysis - Likely Impact of Current Developments on the Pakistani State and its Army

http://www.idsa.in/system/files/IB_Pakistan2010.pdf

It's a bad paper. There is much stuff in it that I can rip apart.

I completely agree with Shiv.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Apr 2010 06:57

From TFT, Ayesha Jalal on 'Pakistan or Paranoidistan ?'

Excerpts

To begin with she posed several questions to the audience, which she would explore through the seminar. They were: are Pakistanis paranoid, and is this Paranoidistan? Furthermore, are Pakistanis in denial? Astounded by these questions, the crowd immediately seemed uneasy. Starting out, Jalal explored the question of paranoia. By definition paranoia is a thought process that is heavily influenced by fear. In posing this question, she explained that this may be true to some extent. How much do we fear India’s intentions against us, and at what cost can we play up these intentions? Furthermore, the culture of conspiracies, which has crept into our mindset, has created a system of denial within the country. Blaming external forces is a trend that has started to occur. Public and government factors do play a role, but they do not define issues. Furthermore, it is necessary for realistic thought to come into the societal framework, as a small bit of realism allows one to assess the situation with a clearer mind and then work on improving the situation.

Following this build-up she went through a sobering presentation which asked the question as to whether this is our war. She explained that people are unsure on several levels about this. Though Lahore and other major cities have been under attack, she said, as a society there is still ambivalence regarding the major issues of the war.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Apr 2010 07:03

Gerard wrote:
Kasuri said that both countries, realizing the sensitivity of such a deal, had agreed not to declare victory or tom-tom the negotiations. He said that hardline separatist Syed Ali Shah Gilani was the only Kashmiri leader who refused to come on board. "He would accept nothing but merger with Pakistan, which ironically is something we too wanted but knew wasn’t practical. I once had a seven-to-eight hour meeting with him and even Musharraf met him but he refused to budge," Kasuri said. He refused to give details of the stance other moderate Kashmiri leaders adopted.

Am convinced evermore that sri SAS Geelani is a Yindian agent only. Unwittingly perhaps, but he's a gift that keeps on giving. Jai ho.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Apr 2010 07:19

Helping Others Defend Themselves
Robert Gates

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... themselves

The recent history of U.S. dealings with Afghanistan and Pakistan exemplifies the challenges the
United States faces. In the decade before 9/11, the United States essentially abandoned Afghanistan to its fate. At the same time, Washington cut off military-to-military exchange and training programs with Pakistan, for well-intentioned but ultimately shortsighted -- and strategically damaging -- reasons.

...

Third, security assistance efforts must be conducted steadily and over the long term so as to provide some measure of predictability and planning for the U.S. government and, what is more significant, for its partners abroad. Convincing other countries and leaders to be partners of the United States, often at great political and physical risk, ultimately depends on proving that the United States is capable of being a reliable partner over time. To be blunt, this means that the United States cannot cut off assistance and relationships every time a country does something Washington dislikes or disagrees with.

Pakis will get their alms forever.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Apr 2010 07:31

Inside Pakistan's tribal frontier: North Waziristan

http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/20 ... waziristan

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2010 08:45

Not sure if this got posted earlier ( this is dated Apr 21 so not fresh off the press):

Kidnapped ex-ISI official's wife accuses CIA of 'picking up' her husband

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 24 Apr 2010 08:47

abhishek_sharma wrote:Helping Others Defend Themselves
Robert Gates

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ ... themselves

The recent history of U.S. dealings with Afghanistan and Pakistan exemplifies the challenges the
United States faces. In the decade before 9/11, the United States essentially abandoned Afghanistan to its fate. At the same time, Washington cut off military-to-military exchange and training programs with Pakistan, for well-intentioned but ultimately shortsighted -- and strategically damaging -- reasons.

...

Third, security assistance efforts must be conducted steadily and over the long term so as to provide some measure of predictability and planning for the U.S. government and, what is more significant, for its partners abroad. Convincing other countries and leaders to be partners of the United States, often at great political and physical risk, ultimately depends on proving that the United States is capable of being a reliable partner over time. To be blunt, this means that the United States cannot cut off assistance and relationships every time a country does something Washington dislikes or disagrees with.
Pakis will get their alms forever.

If true that is a significant departure and also has implications for Israel. That way Israel will be backed financially even if it flouts Obama's agenda.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Apr 2010 08:51

Convincing other countries and leaders to be partners of the United States, often at great political and physical risk, ultimately depends on proving that the United States is capable of being a reliable partner over time.

What are the things from other countries that the US wants that those countries undertake at "great political and physical risk"?

Fact is, they're getting blackmailed by Pakistan and can't do anything about it; and this is their rationalization - "we're proving we're good allies".

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Apr 2010 09:00

Bismilla and AoA
Col Imam and Khwaja's video from Bad bad taliban's captivity
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN1MfsIVh1I
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcg_Wywe ... re=related

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 24 Apr 2010 09:01

Further, there is also an interview given by Col Imam (Brig. Amir Sultan Tarar) to a private TV channel some time ago, where he reveals a few things. See for yourselves.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqJFu0-HGM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGhmtcTbOMA
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRWp6bfu5w
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDVZU3SA ... re=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAGPhyHQ ... re=related
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PROAUGU5 ... re=related

Parts 4, 5 & 6 added later

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Apr 2010 09:25

Gagan wrote:Further, there is also an interview given by Col Imam (Brig. Amir Sultan Tarar) to a private TV channel some time ago, where he reveals a few things. See for yourselves.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvqJFu0-HGM
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGhmtcTbOMA
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRWp6bfu5w

In the video next to the sofa chair - there is a artillery shell used as a decorative piece.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2010 09:47

Badmash had become intended or unintended casualty of this kidnapping drama. His direct association with Osama bin laden did not come to this limelight before. His goose (political career whatever that remained) is coocked for good and certain.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 24 Apr 2010 09:50

Satya_anveshi wrote:Badmash had become intended or unintended casualty of this kidnapping drama. His direct association with Osama bin laden did not come to this limelight before. His goose (political career whatever that remained) is coocked for good and certain.

I disagree.

Sri badmash's stock can only rise here on among the awam and increasingly large sections of the holy bearded army. To be seen kissing osama's butt sure beats the crap out of being seen as kissing obama's butt in TSP, you bet. Just ask poor Zardari.

Sure, there'll be loud concerns and other dramabazi from unkil but nothing that can't be accommodated. TSP has after all gotten unkil to see the light (i.e. its POV) on more contentious issues than just OBL. No?

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 24 Apr 2010 09:54

Khalid Khwaja says Freemasons are behind family planning drive in Pakistan. Looks coerced.
http://www.atimes.net/media/kk5.mov

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 24 Apr 2010 10:15

Friday came and gone. Whatever happened to TFT nuggets - Such Gup?

someone please!

sum · Post by **sum** » 24 Apr 2010 10:22

Satya_anveshi wrote:Friday came and gone. Whatever happened to TFT nuggets - Such Gup?

someone please!

Friday come and gone, what happened to the all the promised IED mubaraks?