Bala Vignesh wrote:Rahul sir, the Su-27 which has a MTOW of about 30.5 Tons and a loaded weight of about 25tons has a total thrust of about 245.6 KN ( 122.8KN*2)... that should give a clear prespective on how underpowered the AMCA will be with a total weight of about 25 tons and 180 KN of thrust..
first things first, please drop the sir !
eh, but why not compare the big daddy Su-30MKI itself with the baseline su-27 ?
aircraft..........
MTOW(in tonnes)...........
Max Thrust..........
TWR at MTOW
Mig-29 A/B(?).......21..........................81.4kN*2...............0.791
Mig-29K..............24.5........................87.1kN*2...............0.726
Su-27.................30.5.......................122.8kN*2.............0.821
Su-30mki.............38.8.........................same..................0.646
Su-35BM.............34.5........................142kN*2...............0.84
PAKFA.................37...........................142kN*2..............0.783 (likely to go up with newer engines)
F-16blk30............19.2.......................127kN...................0.675
F-16blk60............22.68.....................142.3kN.................0.64
(similar for F-16IN)
F-15C.................30.85.....................129kN*2................0.853
F-15E.................36.7.......................same.....................0.717
F/A-18E..............29.9.......................97.9kN*2...............0.668
F-35A.................31.8.......................191kN...................0.613
F-22A.................38..........................156kN*2...............0.838
Eurofighter..........23.5........................90kN*2.................0.782
Rafale C..............24.5.......................75.62kN*2.............0.623
Gripen C..............14..........................80.5kN..................0.587
Gripen NG............16..........................97.9kN..................0.624
LCA....................13.5.......................81kN(?).................0.612
AMCA..................25.........................90kN*2.................
0.735
J-10...................19.3.......................122.8kN................0.649
to put it simply, TWR of 0.735 will put it ahead of MKI, rafale, grip, F-16Blk60, Mig-29K and even the F-35A as far as TWR is concerned !
IOW, every modern aircraft with the exception of F-22, PAKFA, Su-35BM and EF !
I'm deliberately not mentioning the basic Su-27 and the F-15C because both of those are from a time when fighters could afford to do without a lot of bells and whistles that are absolutely must have in today's world. no wonder you will find that ALL the original versions of earlier aircraft(before 80's) had a much higher TWR than their current counterpart. to put it simply, F-15C and vanilla Su-27 is close to obsolete, as is the original Mig-29A and F-16 versions and that has a close connection to their abnormally high TWR.
and then consider that it will have an internal weapons bay, the stats start looking comparable even to the EF.
so please forgive me if I do a little
at
I am not saying it will not be able to fly at all... I am saying the TWR will be very low... And its a Gen 5 aircraft... so it basically can't do much with a low TWR...
no hard feelings,
cheers !