Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

David Siegel · Post by **David Siegel** » 20 Apr 2010 10:29

Austin wrote:So essentially the whine here is we did not order some x system because x system was superior to ASRAAM that IAF/MOD approved off , is this the concern here ?

I always thought when you are in the market to buy a weapon system , its always the best deal that wins the day and not essentially the best weapon system , so if the over all package that ASRAAM offered including cost was better in the eyes of GOI then say x superior system , the overall package will win the day

What could be the 'overall package' when some AF is buying a short range AAM?? We don't think that size of the deal is so big that a TOT including the Seeker will be done. Anyways we are having enough insight to IR seeker as BEL works on the Python 5 for Spider SAM. If AIM-9X is on the offer list, probably that would have been the best pick from the list. The only thing that may make some sense: having a wide variety of AAM in the stock (don't think maintianence of wide array of AAM is as painful as maintaining sqds of different AF)-

So in a way IAF has/will have below Short Range AAM:

1. R-73 - existing

2. Derby(though it is near horizon of a BVR) - Exisitng with IN Harrier, dont think those system will be scrapped even if Harrier is decommissioned after few years (very few in numbers, no major supply of increasing Harrier fleet and Mig-29k is now available)

3. Python 5- Coming with Spider, though in SAM role, but as BEL is working on the seeker (may be with 100% TOT), having Python 5 on AF aircraft won't be big issue. And I don’t think RU will having any issue in opening code for Python 5 integration and India is already importing products of RU-Israel Collaboration (AWACS, SU30-MKI components).

4. SRAAM- if the current news is correct

5. AIM-9X (BLK1 or BLK 2): Will be a 'must' to have component in the weapon pkg in case IAF opt for F-18 or F-16.

So in way SRAAM completes the spectrum in a major way for IAF in having a wide variety of available AAM with different AF.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 21 Apr 2010 06:35

One missile to rule them all

If India seriously desires to project power far beyond its shores in order to play an international role commensurate with its size, it cannot do without ICBMs. Indeed, the only way India can break out from the confines of its neighbourhood is to develop intercontinental-range weaponry. With its current type of military capabilities, India will continue to be seen as a regional power with great-power pretensions.

shukla · Post by **shukla** » 21 Apr 2010 16:04

BRAHMOS shines at Malaysian defence show

BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missile has attracted many high-level delegations from several participating countries here at the Defence Services Asia 2010. The BRAHMOS Weapon System, for its superior warfare capabilities, has drawn several dignitaries and defence personnel from Malaysia, Vietnam, South Africa, Indonesia, Thailand, Egypt, Oman, Brunei and other African & Middle East countries.

The Defence Minister of Malaysia Dr. Ahmad Zahid Bin Hamidi was briefed by Dr. A S Pillai, CEO & MD of BrahMos Aerospace on the various capabilities of the weapon system and its installation on ship, Road Mobile platforms, submarine and aircraft. Malaysian Navy Chief Admiral Abdul Aziz Zafar has also shown interest in the Installation details and configuration of the missile in various platforms.

As Malaysia is planning to equip its Meko A100 Kedah class ships with latest weapon systems, BRAHMOS missile is attracting attention from the Malaysian armed forces. The country has also recently signed contract to procure the Su-30MKM fighter aircraft. The BRAHMOS missile's air version for Indian Air Force's Su-30MKI is under development and would be ready in 2012.

David Siegel · Post by **David Siegel** » 21 Apr 2010 18:25

Is India working on Extented Range BrahMos EX ?
http://idrw.org/?p=1378

Rumored or unconfirmed sources have provided details India may be working on the extended range Brahmos ,also known in the circles as BrahMos EX .

India first tested BrahMos way back in 2001, earlier it was known as PJ-10 and from the start of the joint venture it has been documented that India wanted to work on a Medium range supersonic cruise missile with range of 500 to 600 km ,which can be launched from submarines, ships, aircraft or land.

But due to MTCR restrictions Russia was forced to work on a limited range 290km missiles , but many in ” circles ” believed that range could be extended once the perfect ” Technological know off ” is acquired of the missiles .

India on its own was able to field Brahmos Block-II with little Russian assistance and also is working on Hypersonic version of it which will enable to travel at twice the current speed .

Brahmananda · Post by **Brahmananda** » 22 Apr 2010 11:10

India to arm Russia-built jets with BrahMos missiles

KUALA LUMPUR: The Indian Air Force will arm 40 Russia-built Sukhoi fighter jets with BrahMos missiles, a top official has said.
The addition of the missiles to India's fleet of Su-30MKI Flanker-H fighters will make them "absolutely unique" in firepower, Sivathanu Pillai, head of BrahMos Aerospace, said here Wednesday at the Defence Services Asia (DSA)-2010 exhibition.

The first tests of BrahMos air-launched missiles were set for 2011, while the first fighter test flights with missiles on board are scheduled for late 2012, he said.

The BrahMos missile has a range of 290 km and can carry a warhead of up to 300 kg. It can effectively engage ground targets from an altitude as low as 10 metres and has a top speed of Mach 2.8, which is three times faster than the US-made subsonic Tomahawk cruise missile.

The BrahMos Aerospace, an Indian-Russian joint venture established in 1998, produces BrahMos supersonic missiles, sea and ground-launch versions of which have been successfully tested and put into service by the Indian Army and Navy.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 842809.cms

only 40 su-30mki with Brahmos, i thought aleast 3-5 squadrons should be able to deploy it.

chiru · Post by **chiru** » 22 Apr 2010 11:23

speculation alert : Brahmananda saar me thinks they will distribute these brahmos capable babies into each squadron in small numbers

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 22 Apr 2010 12:04

These would be the ones dedicated to Maritime strike? Only a few for LACM mode?
Is BRAHMOS on MKI mainly for the anti ship role or the Land attack role too?

Brahmananda · Post by **Brahmananda** » 22 Apr 2010 12:25

I think that the A-Brahmos will be both land and ship attack missile. we have 280MKI on order, thats 14 squadrons @ 20 aircraft each. If we have atleast 5 in each squadron armed with A-Brahmos, we need atleast 70 MKI with Brahmos ability. The MKI can carry only 1 Brahmos so at any one point we should be able to deploy atleast 70 brahmos is minutes. The A-brahmos will be both land and ship strike capable. But even 70 seems like a minimum figure, If we can have 8 aircraft in each squadron, then we can employ 112 missiles in minutes, this is a better figure when you have to confront both PAk and China at the same time. Such air launched ability combined with our ship, land and sub launched platforms, we have the ability to sink more than half's China and Pak's critical Naval ships. China alone has 77 principal Naval ships including frigates and destroyers.

biswas · Post by **biswas** » 22 Apr 2010 12:40

Brahmananda wrote:India to arm Russia-built jets with BrahMos missiles

KUALA LUMPUR: The Indian Air Force will arm 40 Russia-built Sukhoi fighter jets with BrahMos missiles, a top official has said.
The addition of the missiles to India's fleet of Su-30MKI Flanker-H fighters will make them "absolutely unique" in firepower, Sivathanu Pillai, head of BrahMos Aerospace, said here Wednesday at the Defence Services Asia (DSA)-2010 exhibition.

The first tests of BrahMos air-launched missiles were set for 2011, while the first fighter test flights with missiles on board are scheduled for late 2012, he said.

The BrahMos missile has a range of 290 km and can carry a warhead of up to 300 kg. It can effectively engage ground targets from an altitude as low as 10 metres and has a top speed of Mach 2.8, which is three times faster than the US-made subsonic Tomahawk cruise missile.

The BrahMos Aerospace, an Indian-Russian joint venture established in 1998, produces BrahMos supersonic missiles, sea and ground-launch versions of which have been successfully tested and put into service by the Indian Army and Navy.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 842809.cms

only 40 su-30mki with Brahmos, i thought aleast 3-5 squadrons should be able to deploy it.

I think it was released that there would be 3xBrahmos per MKI.

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 23 Apr 2010 11:39

INTERNATIONAL MISSILE TECHNOLOGY SEMINAR
" FAMILY OF FUTURE ANTI TANK GUIDED MISSILES (ATGMs) ENCOMPASSING FUTURE MAIN BATTLE TANK (FMBT) /
FUTURE INFANTRY COMBAT VEHICLE (FICV) / SHOULDER FIRED AND ATTACK HELICOPTER LAUNCHED MISSILES "
7-8 July 2010, DS Kothari Hall, DRDO Bhawan, New Delhi - 110011

I am pleased to inform you that the Confederation of Indian Industry in association with the Directorate General of Mechanized Forces, Indian Army is organising an International Missile Technology Seminar: “Family Of Future Anti Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs) Encompassing Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT) / Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) / Shoulder Fired And Attack Helicopter Launched Missiles” on 7-8 July 2010 at DS Kothari Auditorium, DRDO Bhawan, New Delhi.

The Technology is advancing at an unprecedented pace and is likely to have a major impact in future warfare. Nations that can exploit emerging technologies and synergise the same with future generation weapon systems will have a decisive edge in the battlefield. Anti tank guided weapons constitute the cutting edge to defeat the adversary’s mechanized forces. It is imperative that our anti tank guided missiles modernize incorporating emerging technologies. Also, with this modernisation programme it is necessary to nurture the domestic Research & Development in public and private sector to optimally exploit the capability, infrastructure and resources, to achieve our goal of self-reliance. The design, development and up-gradation of Anti Tank Guided Missies is a challenging task for Research and Development Organisations and the Industry.

With an objective to understand the entire gamut of Anti Tank Guided Missiles that are launched from all types of platforms including shoulder / vehicle, tank gun barrel and those launched from attack helicopters CII and the DGMF, Indian Army have partnered with the CII to organise this very relevant seminar. The seminar will bring together senior officials and decision makers from the Armed Forces, Ministry of Defence, representatives from DPSU’s / OFB, experts from the academia apart from representatives from National and International companies to deliberate upon this topic.

The seminar will be also be an excellent branding opportunity for companies interested in projecting themselves to the target audience. Also, companies interested in presenting at the seminar are requested to send their technical papers to amit.singh@cii.in / prashant.a.n@cii.in. A concept note along with the session themes is enclosed for your reference.

We look forward to your active participation.

Gurpal Singh
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Confederation of Indian Industry
Core 4A, 4th Floor, India Habitat Centre, Lodi Road, New Delhi - 110003
Ph: 91-11-41504514-19 I Fax: 91-11-24682226 I defence@cii.in
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MISSILE TECHNOLOGY SEMINAR ON FUTURE INFANTRY COMBAT
VEHICLE (FICV) AND FUTURE MAIN BATTLE TANK (FMBT)
07 – 08 JUL 2010

Concept

1. Technology is advancing at an unprecedented pace and is likely to have a major impact in future warfare. Nations that can exploit emerging technologies and synergise the same with future generation weapon systems will have a decisive edge in the battle field. Anti tank guided weapons constitute the cutting edge to defeat the adversary’s mechanized forces. It is therefore imperative that our anti tank guided missiles modernize incorporating emerging technologies.

2. In India, the interface between the Industry - Defence forces has witnessed exponential progress in the last decade. Numerous structured interactions have been held in the past which were mutually beneficial and have enabled the industry to understand and assimilate the requirements of the military hardware for the Army. This has acted as a stimulus to the industry to showcase its in-house capabilities as well as in collaboration with international firms. The Army has also benefited by better comprehension and faster absorption of available emerging technologies and resultant partnerships in defence projects for new acquisitions and equipment upgradation.

Objective

3. The design, development and upgradation of Anti Tank Guided Missies is a challenging task for Research and Development Organisations and the Industry. Anti Tank Guided Missiles are a complex system. These are based on integration of a number of technologically advanced, complexly interwoven sub systems that are amalgamated to produce a lethal weapon system. In the future, Anti Tank Guided Missiles will be deployed in different types of terrain to fulfill operational requirements. The Anti Tank Guided Missiles including Infantry shoulder/vehicle launched Anti Tank Guided Missiles, those fired from attack helicopters and gun tube launched will have to also stay a step ahead of the developments in the active as well as passive protection systems in Armoured Fighting

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Vehicles. Therefore, it is vital to also dwell upon the latest technological developments in defeating the active and passive protection systems.

4. In view of the race between the Anti Tank Guided Missiles and protection systems, it is imperative that these be designed and developed to meet the operational requirements with a high degree of self reliance. The Indian Defence Industry today is capable of harnessing emerging technologies to meet the challenge. The need is to nurture the domestic Research & Development in public and private sector to optimally exploit the capability, infrastructure and resources, to achieve our goal of self reliance. A strong, vibrant and mutually beneficial partnership between public and private sector will be critical in developing defence capability and in sustaining a powerful domestic industrial base for the future. In order to give an impetus to this partnership it is proposed to conduct a seminar on the various aspects of missile technology.
Focus Areas

5. During the course of the Seminar, it is proposed to cover entire gamut of Anti Tank Guided Missiles including those launched from all types of platforms including shoulder / vehicle launched missiles, tank gun barrel launched missiles and those launched from attack helicopters. The focus would be on the following aspects :-

(a) Global Trends in Anti Tank Guided Missiles and their sub-systems.

(b) Insight into emerging technologies for Anti Tank Guided Missiles.

(c) Challenges in Third Generation Technology development.

(d) Enabling technologies such as night vision devices, guidance systems, warheads and weapon platforms.
(e) Defeating active and passive protection systems.
(f) Assessing the capabilities of Indian Industry in design, development and production of Third generation Anti Tank Guided Missiles.
(g) Opportunities for Public - Private Partnership.

Participants Profile

6. (a) Officials from Indian Army and other Services.

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(b) Officials from the Ministry of Defence, Government of India.

(c) Officials and Scientists from Defence R&D organization.

(d) Representatives from Defence Public Sector undertaking and Ordanance factories.
(e) Representatives from Private Sector OEMs and component manufacturers.

(f) Representatives from foreign defence industries.

(g) Academicians and professionals.

Programme

7. The programme of the seminar is given below :-

Date Time Events
07 Jul 2010
(Wednesday) 0930h Registration.

1000 – 1100h Inaugural Session.
1100 - 1130h Tea / Coffee.

1130 - 1300h
SESSION - I

Global Trends and Emerging Technologies.

1300 - 1400h Lunch

1400 - 1515h SESSION - II

Critical Technologies for FICV and
FMBT.

1530 - 1645h SESSION - III

Challenges in Third Generation Technology development.

08 Jul 2010
(Thursday)

0900 - 1100h SESSION - IV

Enabling Technologies for ATGMs and Platforms for launch.

1100 - 1130h Tea / Coffee.

1130 - 1245h
SESSION - V

Opportunity for Public Private Partnership .

1245 - 1315h Valedictory.
1315h Lunch.
Venue

8. The seminar will be conducted at DRDO Auditorium, New Delhi.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Apr 2010 12:52

BEL's missile seeker venture with Israel's Rafael may come through this year.

Although the two companies signed a term sheet more than two years ago, it looks an easier prospect now than before as Rafael is agreeable to holding a lower equity of 26 per cent in the proposed venture.

The venture, when it comes through, may involve technology transfer, manufacturing at any of BEL's nine facilities, as also co-development of seekers for other missiles. Apart from meeting the needs of the two countries, the MoU of February 2008 had also a provision for exports.

The home-made Akash anti-aircraft missile, for example, does not use a seeker and is controlled and commanded from ground continuously.

sunilpatel · Post by **sunilpatel** » 24 Apr 2010 17:56

biswas wrote:
Brahmananda wrote:
I think it was released that there would be 3xBrahmos per MKI.

I think only Center Pylon can take Brahmos...isn't it??

so, 1 brahmos/MKI...

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 24 Apr 2010 18:26

The air launched Brahmos would be significantly lighter than the Ship version. Perhaps they would be able to fit two under the center pylons.

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 24 Apr 2010 19:34

Nihat wrote:The air launched Brahmos would be significantly lighter than the Ship version. Perhaps they would be able to fit two under the center pylons.

As of now, only one is thought of to be carried... there were some pics of Bramhos-A during Aero 09, which should only one per MKI

I hope we develop a short ranged (around 150 - 200Kms) bramhos with weight less than 1500 Kgs so that MKI and other IAF aircraft also can carry them and that too multiple shots

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Apr 2010 19:56

1500kg is still a lot. maybe 1000kg (2400lb) is a good bet on inner pylon capacity and not burdening the a.c too much.
the KH31A/P family is 600kg and in sea skimming mode does 50km and -P in hi-hi-hi mode does 110km. but they move at
mach1.5 only. the use a 90kg warhead.

So at 1 ton weight and desired speed in sea skimming mode of mach3.5 (klub terminal stage speed), we will probably end
up with a 50kg warhead and all the additional weight 400kg used for ramjet fuel. the higher velocity might compensate for
lower warhead weight one hopes.

a IIR seeker dual mode with radar could be a good thing too.

a couple of hits might mission kill a FFG/DDG but not enough explosive to gut and burn it to the ground. so a mix of
the heavier Brahmos-A and a swarm of these little biters would be reqd.

nrshah · Post by **nrshah** » 24 Apr 2010 20:47

^^^Err why think in only anti shipping role...

Such a missile can be very useful precision strike (land attack) weapon(missile)...Besides even Tejas can carry 2 of them...

BTW, there were some reports on extended range Bramhos. I hope they work on a Bramhos-S (Short range) as well

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Apr 2010 21:27

nitin, per many reports we already operate the Kh-35 harpoonski air launched AShM on the su's. LCA should also be able to carry it.

for the other roles it will be more useful to develop nirbhay derivatives rather than try to reduce the range of the brahmos. given its engine size and sensors, a shorter range brahmos won't make economic sense IMHO and if you develop around a new engine etc, that's effectively a new missile. better to take the nirbhay and modify it for a supersonic dash in the final phase, ala klub.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Apr 2010 21:36

one would also want a missile that hits the target with a decent amount of fuel still left in it ...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 24 Apr 2010 21:38

better to carry extra payload rather than extra fuel !

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 24 Apr 2010 21:40

not always. acknowledge the smiley, but not always.

negi · Post by **negi** » 24 Apr 2010 21:49

What grade of kerosene Brahmos uses ? Austin any idea about Yakhont/Onyx ?

I know Russians use highly refined grade of Kerosene in their space launch vehicles which is frozen to gelly like form , iirc they call it 'sintin'.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 27 Apr 2010 09:38

Turkey's military has also shown interest in the Spike anti-tank missile manufactured by Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and the Barak-8 naval air-defense missile produced by state-run Israel Aerospace Industry.

Link

Looks like even a giant in arms industry like turkey is looking to acquire Barak -8.
Goes on to show that India has made a sound investment in financing Barak development, in spite of what the detractors in DDM may say.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 27 Apr 2010 15:21

New Russian Missile System Sparks Fears
ANI
Club-K Missile attack system

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 27 Apr 2010 15:34

Well any anti-ship missile can be converted or suitably modified so that it can be fired from normal container carried on ships.

This is typical Western Sensational news report spreading false information and sensationalizing the whole affair , club fired from ship container..big deal.

Well the Russians are just extending the Universal Missile concept from Air,Land ,Sea to now Ship Container ........ Whats next Club can be fired from Garbage Truck

kit · Post by **kit** » 27 Apr 2010 17:18

Austin wrote:Well any anti-ship missile can be converted or suitably modified so that it can be fired from normal container carried on ships.

This is typical Western Sensational news report spreading false information and sensationalizing the whole affair , club fired from ship container..big deal.

Well the Russians are just extending the Universal Missile concept from Air,Land ,Sea to now Ship Container ........ Whats next Club can be fired from Garbage Truck

Well why not ! There is a concept for missile trucks that can placed somewhere in war fronts (why not disguised as garbage trucks !) firing missiles to be guided by aircraft / satellites .. no need for the aircraft to carry heavy loads of weapons.. i suppose these are extended range versions.Raphael or IAI has demonstrated proof of concept and US army is in the process of deploying a similar american version.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 27 Apr 2010 18:12

The container threat has been voiced ever since silkworms became commonplace.

Anyway you guys are gonna love this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqwMzQiXlK0

Its got cheesy music and cliched animation

Very direct marketing for third world "unpopular" regimes.

No points for guessing who's operating in the blue land though...

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 27 Apr 2010 21:06

Rahul M wrote:nitin, per many reports we already operate the Kh-35 harpoonski air launched AShM on the su's..

I am aware of Kh 59 and Kh 31, Do not know about Kh 35.

Kersi

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 27 Apr 2010 21:52

Kersi D wrote:
Rahul M wrote:nitin, per many reports we already operate the Kh-35 harpoonski air launched AShM on the su's..

I am aware of Kh 59 and Kh 31, Do not know about Kh 35.

Kersi

This seems to be old news, google turns out few links

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 28 Apr 2010 02:37

AFAIK if at all Kh-35 is in service it is with Nausena.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 28 Apr 2010 05:28

Israel refuses to sell Turkey advanced naval Barak-8 interceptor

India too is flatly against letting Turkey getting hold of the Barak 8, in whose development the Indian Navy has invested $330 million since the program began in 2004. New Delhi fears that from Turkey, the technology might leak to Tehran, which India fears is capable of trading its secrets with Islamabad for Pakistani nuclear and missile technology.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 28 Apr 2010 15:38

IAF To Get Akash Missiles This Year
Aviation Week

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 30 Apr 2010 14:09

IAF to induct one squadron of land attack BRAHMOS

The Indian Air Force will acquire and induct one squadron of the land attack version of BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missiles in mobile complex.

A deal in this regard has been signed following the Government of India's approval in March this year to induct the weapon system in the IAF, Defence Minister A K Antony told the Parliament on Monday.

The Government had finalised a Rs. 11,600 crore agreement in March 2010, paving the way for the induction of BRAHMOS in the IAF.

was this covered earlier?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 30 Apr 2010 14:17

turkey is closely involved with paki armaments industry. there will be direct leakage of crucial details first to pakis and then to chinis which will help them develop countermeasures because barak8 will likely work and ship with the mf-star radar only .

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Apr 2010 16:22

Indian Army For New Short Range SAM System To Replace OSA-AK Batteries

The Indian Army has published a request for information (RFI) for a prospective new short range surface-to-air missile system to replace its Soviet-vintage OSA-AK (SA-8) and SA-6 units, long overdue for overhaul and replacement. The Army is looking for a 20-km range missile system with active and passive guidance, with the capacity to engage targets moving upto 500 metres/second, and including hovering targets. In the RFI, the Army wants to know if prospective bidders' systems can be (a) mounted on wheeled chassis, (b) capable of being rail transported in India, (c) operated in desert, semi-desert and Indian plain conditions

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Apr 2010 16:38

There are two missile IMO that fits as a perfect replacement for Soviet-vintage OSA-AK (SA-8) . One is the recently inducted Pantsyr-S1 mobile short-range gun and missile air defense system and the new TOR-M3 Short Range Missile though M3 capability is yet to be reveled.

But Pantsyr-S1 capability is quite phenomenal plus it is combined Gun/Missile System , fits well into IA RFI.

Infograph Pantsyr-S1 Missile

The Westen System are Crotale-VT1/NG Crotale NG which fit into the RFI in Range/Performance

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 30 Apr 2010 16:40

Kailash wrote:IAF to induct one squadron of land attack BRAHMOS

The Indian Air Force will acquire and induct one squadron of the land attack version of BRAHMOS supersonic cruise missiles in mobile complex.

How many missile will be in one squadron?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 30 Apr 2010 16:47

Austin wrote:There are two missile IMO that fits as a perfect replacement for Soviet-vintage OSA-AK (SA-8) . One is the recently inducted Pantsyr-S1 mobile short-range gun and missile air defense system and the new TOR-M3 Short Range Missile though M3 capability is yet to be reveled.

No chance of a Indian offering at all? Why/Why not? Any technologies which are different from Barak efforts?

Any body with any gyan on this? If not, was this not foreseen? Why didn't we try and fulfill it ourselves?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Apr 2010 16:51

The best option is to standardise on IAF Spyder-SR system , since the IAF operates Spyder on Tatra Trucks plus the missile have Active/Passive guidance

Spyder-SR

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 30 Apr 2010 16:53

Sanku wrote:No chance of a Indian offering at all? Why/Why not? Any technologies which are different from Barak efforts?

Any body with any gyan on this? If not, was this not foreseen? Why didn't we try and fulfill it ourselves?

They had this Maitri shortrange missile under works which was a DRDO-MBDA project but that project AFAIK is cancelled.

So no Indian offering , the Barak is good to deal with subsonic systems plus its a CLOS missils like Pantsyr and Crotale.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 May 2010 10:23

Pilot production of airborne Brahmos begins

Pilot production of the air-launched version of the India-Russia BrahMos missile has started in Russia in line with plans to fit it in the IAF's Su-30MKI fighter aircraft by 2012.

The first few missiles for factory tests have been manufactured at the Strela production association in the Orenburg Region, the Regnum news agency reported quoting regional government head Sergei Grachyov. Once the ground tests were completed, the plant would launch series production of the airborne missile, he said.

The 2.55-tonne BrahMos supersonic anti-ship missile has been modified, shedding 500 kg and getting a new ignition engine to fire the missile at high altitudes.

The Su-30MKI also required modifications to fit the missile under its belly and integrate it into the plane's fire control system. The Sukhoi Corporation is working to strengthen the wings so that two more missiles can be fitted in the flanks.

Flight tests of the air-launched BrahMos are expected next year, and the IAF plans to begin inducting the BrahMos-armed Su-30MKI in 2012. Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director of BrahMos Aerospace A.S. Pillai said earlier this month that 40 IAF Su-30MKI aircraft would be armed with BrahMos missiles.

Experts said the BrahMos-armed Su-30MKI would be a game changer in the Indian Ocean, giving the IAF a deeper strategic reach and an extra deadly punch. With a range of 290 km, the missile will allow the pilot to hit enemy vessels while staying well outside the reach of their air defences. Travelling at a top speed of Mach 2.8 barely 3-4 metres above the sea surface, the missile cannot be intercepted by any known weapon system in the world.

Russia's Irkut Corporation, which manufactures Sukhoi aircraft, counts on the air-launched BrahMos missile to increase the demand for Su-30 fighters in international markets.

“Initial studies suggest that we will be able to produce 250 more Su-30s armed with BrahMos missiles,” said Vladimir Sautov, vice-president for marketing.