Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Apr. 11, 2010

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 04 May 2010 18:45

Anujan wrote:
uddu wrote:This seems to be the first attempt by Pakistan in which the U.S is targeted directly.
Not true. You forgot the Chicago guy and the NY Subway plotters. They were Pakistanis too & targeted the US. Not to mention the murky Pakistan connection to 9/11

Wanted to say first direct attempt. From now on this is going to daily things in the war against American infidels, just like how India is facing the threat of Pakistan. The U.S seem much more infidel than India. Pakistan nation is targeting the U.S while hiding under the Hijab. Let's see what the U.S does. It seems more money and weapons (I do believe that's going to happen) or else stone age Pakistan (very unlikely since U.S will need it to wage war against the democratic India to check the rise of democratic republic of India{oohhhh}). If they stick with the first part, the fall of U.S is beginning. Let's wait and watch what's going to be the U.S response. Will MMS intervene to cool off the tension between U.S and Pakistan and will he ask the U.S to hand over some parts to Pakistan and make peace with them. The two nuclear nations fighting against each other will be a disaster. So I wish MMS will intervene and ensure that Obama is restrained from launching an attack against Pakistani terrorists. Let there be Peace.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 04 May 2010 18:52

From Ayman Faris to this guy, TSPians have a long history of targeting America.

Not to forget that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a TSPian...

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 May 2010 19:20

NRao wrote:Times Square bomb suspect arrested 'at last second'

One that nearly got away .....................

Shahzad was on board Emirates Flight 202 to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, and the jetway had been pulled back when the plane was called to return to the gate, a law enforcement source said. Shahzad was booked through to Islamabad, Pakistan via Dubai, a senior airline official confirmed.

1. So much for no-fly lists, and the early handing over of passenger lists by airlines to the US Dept of Homeland security.

2. snark - Perhaps FBI and CIA were arguing - CIA wanting to keep its asset, and FBI wanting to enforce the law; and the FBI won in the last moment. Sort of one of those "NCIS" or other TV show moments.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 19:27

This sounds like there was some wait to get permission from superiors or some discussion weather this guy needs to be stopped.

Raja Ram garu,

Splendid rambling as always !
Sir-ji YOU need a blog of your own. Something like 'Geostrategy' etc.

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 May 2010 19:46

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'All Pakistanis are terrorists'

By Imran Khan in Asia on May 4th 2010

Clearly it's a nonsensical headline.

But a quick glance across news headlines on Tuesday May 4 reveals the two top stories are both about young Pakistani men, one a resident of Lahore, the other with a background similar to mine, a Western citizen of Pakistani descent.

The first has been convicted with terrorism offences in India, the second arrested in connection with the Times Square foiled bomb attempt.

Now, I have no idea whether the chap arrested in connection with New York offence is a terrorist or not. But it almost does not matter.

Form of racism

Pakistanis and those of Pakistani descent are once again under the spotlight. It's a form of racism and anger building because of it.

I travel a lot. In the last eight months I have visited the US a number of times.

Each time I have been pulled into secondary immigration, a sort of holding pen whilst your validity to enter the US is checked out.

It takes at least three hours and after a 14-hour flight is not a welcome proposition.

Same questions

The questions are always the same: Why are you here? Who are you visiting? My answers inevitably are always the same. No matter, each time I had to go through the process.

A visa application of mine to a country I won't name has been put through a much more stringent process because I am of Pakistani descent............……………

Al Jazeera

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 04 May 2010 20:05

Pakistan's latest IT (International Terrorism) export: Faisal Shahzad

Neighbor Brenda Thurman, 37, said Shahzad told her he worked on Wall Street. "He was a little bit strange," she said. "He didn't like to come out during the day."

Source: CNN

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 May 2010 20:07

NRao wrote:Times Square bomb suspect arrested 'at last second'

One that nearly got away .....................

That was close. And imagine Pakis refusing the US to allow access to this yahoo if he had made it to PakiLand.

I doubt that would be possible, unless this guy melts away in the land of houris...

Look forward for the day when all ME airlines start treating pakis as pakis.

Pakis are getting purer by the day. Soon no one (will want to) even touch them..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 May 2010 20:09

my theory about this paki is he was setup to fail as a direct warning by GoP to Gotus to pay up in the 56 page
list of military and financial demands or else.

the kind of people who trained kasab and the mumbai crew could do a far better job of atleast teaching their
student how to make a workable explosive rather than the amateurish dud device he produced. and they could
teach him how to hide all traces. this is after all an attack on times square - the belly of the infidel beast and
a very high profile place - you dont assign a B-lister to such targets.

and the pakis chose a american passport holder to drive home the point that they can reach in and turn more
such people who by virtue of US passport travel quite easily in and out.

true to form, the US will cave in shortly and announce a fat package to keep its pet happy. the only good
thing coming out of it could be donating 300 mothballed marine M1A1HA tanks for PA's third strike corps.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 May 2010 20:15

uddu wrote: Wanted to say first direct attempt. From now on this is going to daily things in the war against American infidels, just like how India is facing the threat of Pakistan. The U.S seem much more infidel than India. Pakistan nation is targeting the U.S while hiding under the Hijab. Let's see what the U.S does. It seems more money and weapons (I do believe that's going to happen) or else stone age Pakistan (very unlikely since U.S will need it to wage war against the democratic India to check the rise of democratic republic of India{oohhhh}). If they stick with the first part, the fall of U.S is beginning. Let's wait and watch what's going to be the U.S response. Will MMS intervene to cool off the tension between U.S and Pakistan and will he ask the U.S to hand over some parts to Pakistan and make peace with them. The two nuclear nations fighting against each other will be a disaster. So I wish MMS will intervene and ensure that Obama is restrained from launching an attack against Pakistani terrorists. Let there be Peace.

Since the accuracy of Paki-nuke missiles is doubtful, India is extremely concerned about the Am-Pak nuclear flash point. India is worried that a paki-nuke might fall back on Paki soil radiating south-asian river systems.

US must talk to Paki non-state actors and buy peace at any cost. Perhaps it can handover the state of Arizona to Pakis.

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 04 May 2010 20:30

Is the distinguished gentleman (time square one) a Punjabi or a pustshtoon?

arun · Post by **arun** » 04 May 2010 20:32

Rangudu wrote:From Ayman Faris to this guy, TSPians have a long history of targeting America.

Not to forget that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a TSPian...

Goes back even further then Ayman Faris. There is the 1993 case of Mir Aimal Kansi shooting a few CIA officers at a cark park at the CIA HQ at Langely.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 20:33

shiv wrote: The thing that mystifies me is why trust Gilani?

Boss it doesn't mystify me. As usual, this is cowardcie and helplessness and dhimmitude and "South Asianess" among India's ruling elite masquerading as strategic thinking. One doesn't need the IQ of a genius to realize that as a Pakijabi, Gilani is nothing but a mouthpiece of the TSPA/ISI terrorists. By bending down before Gilan's knees and begging for deliverance, it somehow conveys the impression that India has a strategy. Fact of the matter is that the cowards and "South Asians" in Delhi are taking orders from US. Someone even said that emulating US, Kiyani should be given a red carpet welcome in Delhi as a "great power" bringing regional peace. Makes me throw up.

Kiyani asks how high when US asks him to jump in return for military goodies to terrorize and beat the living crap out of us SDREs; while Kiyani through his mouthpiece Gilani demands Kashmir at terrorist gun point or else. And this is what happened at Thimup. TSP terror is equated with India making concessions. So much trust in Gilani. My foot. It is unadulterated surrender.

Witness the alacrity with which Pakis from Quereshi on were quick to condemn the NY city plot by one of their pigs. Contrast this witj the brazen chutzpah post 26/11 even daring India for a fight.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 20:41

Guys:

As much as I commend the professionalism for the NYPD police, FBI etc in nailing the Paki pig for attempting to blow up Times Sqaure, one thing troubles me. Prima Facie, it looks like they have been tracking every citizen, mostly Pakis of course coming back from the pure land. How did they make the connection between the buyer of the car to be this Paki? It seems to me that the vast data base of info, they pulled up every Paki in CT area and by careful elimination based on other clues zeroed in on this guy. Apparently, he was being tracked since Sunday.

My point being that unlike in India where national security is a joke, and "secularims" trumps in US its a big deal, but it would trouble me if govt were slimily tracking people of a particular race or looks etc.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 May 2010 20:43

arun wrote: :

'All Pakistanis are terrorists'
Clearly it's a nonsensical headline.
Form of racism
Pakistanis and those of Pakistani descent are once again under the spotlight. It's a form of racism and anger building because of it.
The questions are always the same: Why are you here? Who are you visiting? My answers inevitably are always the same. No matter, each time I had to go through the process.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan has terrorism and Jihad as a state policy.
So what do they expect others to look at them - as angels?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 May 2010 20:44

surinder wrote:Is the distinguished gentleman (time square one) a Pakjabi or a pustshtoon?

Arab ,Iranian, Pushtoon, Turk, tajik, Uzbek and many more as Pakisatnians are children of many unknownfathers, onlee thing sure is about them is that their foremothers lost counting. Pashu-toon or Puckerjabi , they are all jeehadi.

Bhima · Post by **Bhima** » 04 May 2010 20:44

Pakistan Vows Cooperation Over Times Square Bomb Investigation

Seeing as US money is all that stops the Pakistani state from falling apart one should think so.

'Arrest In Karachi' Over Times Square Bomb

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 04 May 2010 20:48

India held talks under US pressure: Qureshi
ISLAMABAD, May 04: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has said that India restarted talks with Pakistan because of the pressure exerted by United States and European Union. Speaking at the Geo TV program ‘Capital Talk’ on Tuesday he said that there was no comparison on actions of Ajmal Kasab and Times Square Suspect Faisal Shahzad. To a question, he said the government was yet to decide on provision of legal assistance to Ajmal Kasab. The foreign minister said that Pakistan would soon get drone planes from Turkey

http://www.thepakistaninewspaper.com/ne ... p?id=16645

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 04 May 2010 20:48

All Pakistanis are not terrorists. Even though every terrorist being a Pakistani might give you that impression.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2010 21:07

Gagan wrote:This sounds like there was some wait to get permission from superiors or some discussion weather this guy needs to be stopped.

Raja Ram garu,

Splendid rambling as always !
Sir-ji YOU need a blog of your own. Something like 'Geostrategy' etc.

R^2, if you want you can get help in creating your own blog.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 May 2010 21:15

NRao wrote:Times Square bomb suspect arrested 'at last second'

That was close. And imagine Pakis refusing the US to allow access to this yahoo if he had made it to PakiLand.

Do you think it was close or was it stage managed to get the maximum impact with the public and the media.

I was comparing the news coverage of CNN/international and FOXNEWS and others. CNN switched to their London office and kept repeating the same guys the entire day time coverage in Asia/ME. Their Paki correspondent talked about "Pakistan as a safe heaven for terrorists for a hosts of organization including LET". He brings frequently David Headley and Mumbai attack and tries equate Pakistan and Pakistan Americans to these attacks. This is the first time there is a wide coverage to David Headley by the US media outlets.

Foxnews had a more muted coverage of the NY attacker arrest talking about US citizen Paki connections and how the attacker was arrested. Not much focus on Pakistan as a terrorist nation. Both the news channel had removed their usual programs for this live telecast.

Other channels had various different coverage on the arrest. There seems to be focus on creating pressure on Pakistan internationally and this image change which US holds on Pakistan is the key to the control of the client state.

Raja Ram · Post by **Raja Ram** » 04 May 2010 21:17

ramana wrote:
Gagan wrote:This sounds like there was some wait to get permission from superiors or some discussion weather this guy needs to be stopped.

Raja Ram garu,

Splendid rambling as always !
Sir-ji YOU need a blog of your own. Something like 'Geostrategy' etc.

R^2, if you want you can get help in creating your own blog.

thanks archan, Gagan and ramana

I do have a blog http://rajaram-india.blogspot.com/ called the Musings of an Ordinary Indian. Only not been writing a lot on it.

Went through SSridhar's blog and became a follower. Excellent stuff Sridhar sir. Much appreciated.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2010 21:23

CRamS wrote:
shiv wrote: The thing that mystifies me is why trust Gilani?

Boss it doesn't mystify me. As usual, this is cowardcie and helplessness and dhimmitude and "South Asianess" among India's ruling elite masquerading as strategic thinking. One doesn't need the IQ of a genius to realize that as a Pakijabi, Gilani is nothing but a mouthpiece of the TSPA/ISI terrorists. By bending down before Gilan's knees and begging for deliverance, it somehow conveys the impression that India has a strategy. Fact of the matter is that the cowards and "South Asians" in Delhi are taking orders from US. Someone even said that emulating US, Kiyani should be given a red carpet welcome in Delhi as a "great power" bringing regional peace. Makes me throw up.

Kiyani asks how high when US asks him to jump in return for military goodies to terrorize and beat the living crap out of us SDREs; while Kiyani through his mouthpiece Gilani demands Kashmir at terrorist gun point or else. And this is what happened at Thimup. TSP terror is equated with India making concessions. So much trust in Gilani. My foot. It is unadulterated surrender.

Saar the story of your emesis is heart rending but let me point out a clear double standard in your rant while you reach for your next barf bag.

The US lays a red carpet welcome for Kiyani and has been paying that army $2 billion a year and has just delivered a whole lot milltary goodies. But all these are nothing in your view compared to some genuflection by MMS. You do suggest laying out a red carpet for Kiyani by Delhi - but would India paying Kiyani the equivalent of 2 billion a year make you feel better? Is that what you are asking for? It's not clear from your post that compares the US with India. If Kiyani does not ask India how high he must jump it is because India is not paying him what your country is paying him. No?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 21:38

One thing that's sure to be happening right now is that the US and CIA will be talking to all intel agencies who watch Pakistan closely.

India, KSA and maybe China and Israel might be requested for information from their sources.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 21:43

Raja Ram wrote:I do have a blog http://rajaram-india.blogspot.com/ called the Musings of an Ordinary Indian. Only not been writing a lot on it.

RR garu,

You've had this blog since Jan 2009 ! and no one knows about it!

I've added it to my tab toolbar and will visit it regularly.

I think we need a forum page where BRFites list out the blogs that they maintain. No matter if it is related to defence or geostrategy or otherwise. As long as it is halal, why not list it for everyone to visit and learn?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2010 21:44

CRS, Can you take this off line?

Thanks, ramana

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 04 May 2010 21:47

Raja Ram wrote:
The guarantee that Pakistan has demanded from the 3.5 is precisely this. They need India to give in and accommodate pakistani aspirations from water to Sania. The 3.5 have therefore launched their own plan to get India to play ball. By inducements (saudi -red carpet, promise of better behaviour, oil - US - Nuke Deal, UN Security council, energy, investments China - cooperation with India on climate change, IP, soft pedalling kashmir) and vieled threats (CTBT, Climate Change Accord, aggressive moves in NE, transfer of arms to Pakistan).

This is one of the best post. I have something more to this one and will post later.
Please publish all your ramblings and excellent post in your blog. Congratulations again for the best analysis.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 21:50

CCTV footage of the bomber parking the car in Times Square.
SKY News video link

Screen grab from the video.

Added later: The video only shows a man changing his Tee shirt.

The caption with the video says that the man was behaving suspiciously around the car.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 04 May 2010 21:59

Raja Ramji,
The compulsions of GOI and the perfidy of the 3.5 allies which you have articulated so very well is well known here.I am interested in knowing what you believe should be the framework and worldview of GOI,the strategic view point and initiative which will break the current stalemate and also 'dissolve' pakistan in the present form.I am sure many would be interested in your thoughts.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 04 May 2010 22:00

Hit the iron when it is hot.

Due to the NY bomb plot the US media discussion sites are now agog.
get into those places (CNN, AP, Reuter, ABC, CBS, ...) and pour scorn
on TSP. Point out how it is hunting with the hound and running with the hare.
How it is keeping up the terrorism in India which the US is experiencing lately.
keep your comments short and sweet

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 May 2010 22:08

What a ludicrous comedy. The US and Pakistan in 69 position licking each others nether regions. TV News says that the New York mayor is begging that Pakistanis should not be targeted because the bomber Shezad has admitted to "acting alone". In the meantime Pakistan has arrested 10 people in connection with the attempted blast. Acting alone? With 10 people?

Can you believe the lengths these two countries go to suck up to each other so the other does not get upset? It would have been funny if India had not been at the receiving end of this fakap

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 22:12

I expect the media to change its tune by tomorrow. Instead of squarely saying Pakistan Pakistan, the'll change it to south asian soon for any new suspect that is arrested in the US.

We will witness the power and control the GOTUS has over its media.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 04 May 2010 22:23

RamanaGaru,

Just one more; as I reply to Shiv.

Shiv:

Come on boss, the $s and goodies US pays Kiyani is pocket change in their grand scheme of things. And look what US has got from Kiyani. For a start anybody US identifies through its database is picked up from Karachi or Peshawar and dispatched to the Bay area. I was just listening to NPR, it was astonishing to me that in the immediate aftrrmath of 9/11, apparently US arrested and/or detailed 1000s and 1000s of Muslims including from TSP. This is what Mush delivered for the goodies. And this is just for starters. The relationship between US and TSP is one between a a CEO and a loyal chauffer.

In contrast, what Kiyani would want from India is to let him fly the green crescent over the red fort in New Delhi. The relationship between India and TSP is that between a neighborhood gangster (TSP) and a puny citizen (India) who is s@it scared where the ganster will beat the pulp out of him should he dare stand up to the gansgter. And out of helplessness, the puny citizen tries his best to be nice to the gangster.

Anway, lets agree to disagree. I am curios to see what prices US extracts from TSP, or what TSP posture will be post this NY city failed terror plot.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 04 May 2010 22:28

my theory is anyone who stays in US (gc/h1/f1/citizen) visiting certain countries of interest get tagged in some database and thereafter a passive record is maintained esp of financial dealings like large money transfers in or out, frequent visits, phone calls to certain countries....and some mapping sw also builds webs of links between such people for the database. filters and rules are installed to red flag someone whose activity profile hits a rule like say "visits pakistan twice in six months, gets $100k via western union from sudan and spends hangtime at the local islamic center owned by a cleric with known feelings"

in the interest of not attracting civil rights lawsuits or congressional criticism during political fractures, they probably tack on a whole lot of other innocents into the mix - like people of india, slovak republic, argentina and taiwan - just to keep it 'fair n balanced' and 'fully 200% secular'.
a nice black ops name like Project Arachnid or ThoughtMatrix with deputy directors of CIA, FBI and homeland security jointly chairing the board.

some electronic spider somewhere is logging all your hours on BR for sure

trust no one Mr Anderson.

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 04 May 2010 22:37

Gagan wrote:I expect the media to change its tune by tomorrow. Instead of squarely saying Pakistan Pakistan, the'll change it to south asian soon for any new suspect that is arrested in the US.

We will witness the power and control the GOTUS has over its media.

Expecting something like this?

Suspect in failed Times Square plot was Kashmiri: Source

Washington, DC: The Pakistani-American arrested in connection with Saturday's failed Times Square car bombing was of Kashmiri descent, but it is notknown if he was affiliated with any terrorist group, a source familiar with the investigation said today.
The source, who asked not to be named because the issue is sensitive, said the suspect, Faisal Shahzad, was born in 1979 and was from the disputed Kashmir region.

He had been in the United States for some time.

"Which group he may have belonged to and how he became radicalised, we don't know yet," the source said. "He is Kashmiri by ethnicity."

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 22:42

This getting close to the LET with each passing hour.

If this guy is a "kashmiri" he might turn out to be a Mirpuri.

BRF is NOT halal from anyone's POV, neither India's (IF the dissing of the PM and the party in power is concerned), nor umreeka's.

Anyone visiting here is sure to have his name and IP address tracked and a file in his name built.

derkonig · Post by **derkonig** » 04 May 2010 22:43

Kati wrote:Hit the iron when it is hot.

Due to the NY bomb plot the US media discussion sites are now agog.
get into those places (CNN, AP, Reuter, ABC, CBS, ...) and pour scorn
on TSP. Point out how it is hunting with the hound and running with the hare.
How it is keeping up the terrorism in India which the US is experiencing lately.
keep your comments short and sweet

AoA,
Isn't it the right time for an aman ki asha between unkil and pa'astan.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 04 May 2010 22:46

kenop wrote:Suspect in failed Times Square plot was Kashmiri: Source

Wait for unkil to issue a statement regarding the "resolution of Kashmir issue by BOTH India and Pakistan" is the key to reducing the occurrence of such incidents.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 04 May 2010 22:46

Najam Sethi on BB's deal with Mushy, her assassination and the UN report:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3bkro5z2Bw
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r_eLUa2W4c
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuaAQ9MXWZY
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdptFz5Y2zU

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 04 May 2010 23:06

CRamS wrote:Guys:

As much as I commend the professionalism for the NYPD police, FBI etc in nailing the Paki pig for attempting to blow up Times Sqaure, one thing troubles me. Prima Facie, it looks like they have been tracking every citizen, mostly Pakis of course coming back from the pure land. How did they make the connection between the buyer of the car to be this Paki? It seems to me that the vast data base of info, they pulled up every Paki in CT area and by careful elimination based on other clues zeroed in on this guy. Apparently, he was being tracked since Sunday.

My point being that unlike in India where national security is a joke, and "secularims" trumps in US its a big deal, but it would trouble me if govt were slimily tracking people of a particular race or looks etc.

Perhaps you were not paying attention to news, it was easy to find this guy, he bought a vehicle which had a VIN number!

Besides, a Paki going home to Terror Central Pakistan to attend a terror training camp should be tracked, nothing wrong with that.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 04 May 2010 23:11

Pakistan makes arrests connected to NYC bomb attempt

Shahzad will appear in Manhattan federal court later on Tuesday to face charges "for allegedly driving a car bomb into Times Square on the evening of May 1," according to a statement by U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara, FBI agent George Venizelos and New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

Aafiya, Daughter of Pacquistan lawyer.