Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby shiv » 19 Jun 2010 07:35

Aren't liquid fuelled missile inherenetly more controllable than solid fuelled ones. Perhaps the Prithvis reported outstanding accuracy is due to its liquid fuel. Of course solid fuel has its advantages, but that should not mean discarding what liquid fuel can do. It is always a trade off isn't it? Like JSF. Great stealth. State of the art. Carries 2 bombs.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 19 Jun 2010 07:54

David Siegel wrote:We have come across news that Indian home grown BMD (PAD/AAD) will be tested in this month. As we are heading month end, is this a launch of Prithvi II is that of modified target missile with manipulated trajectory-- to ensure that we don't encounter a so called failure of BMD Testing (attributed to erroneous trajectory of the target missile last time)? :twisted:


Very good observation.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby SSridhar » 19 Jun 2010 09:12

From The Hindu story on Prithvi-II
Its guidance system enables it to carry multiple payloads for multiple ranges.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Singha » 19 Jun 2010 09:16

is the prithvi capable of launching a nuclear device and a small end stage rocket into LEO? with the idea of using LEO to reach the opp end of the earth and then firing the rocket to deorbit and strike somewhere?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Kanson » 19 Jun 2010 19:01

>>to ensure that we don't encounter a so called failure of BMD Testing.

It is not the fear of failure alone..that is dictating discretion. It is also about not giving opening to powers that are interested in observing you.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby shiv » 19 Jun 2010 20:42

SSridhar wrote:From The Hindu story on Prithvi-II
Its guidance system enables it to carry multiple payloads for multiple ranges.


As Kalam famously said "It can carry flowers also" - Which is a statement that will be construed by Indians that it is meant to carry flowers onleee. :lol:

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby PratikDas » 19 Jun 2010 21:36

From The Hindu story on Prithvi-II
Its guidance system enables it to carry multiple payloads for multiple ranges.

While this capability is good to have, are there any references to proof tests?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Marut » 19 Jun 2010 22:33

shiv wrote:Aren't liquid fuelled missile inherenetly more controllable than solid fuelled ones. Perhaps the Prithvis reported outstanding accuracy is due to its liquid fuel. Of course solid fuel has its advantages, but that should not mean discarding what liquid fuel can do. It is always a trade off isn't it? Like JSF. Great stealth. State of the art. Carries 2 bombs.


You are right on the money doc and hence my statement:
Hopefully we move over to the soild fuel engines sooner than later or atleast replace the red oxidizing nitric acid with something better.


It's the red fuming nitric acid used as the oxidizer that is my issue. It is a pain in the musharaff to load into the missile and makes the people handling it fall sick despite the best precautions & procedures. Something equivalent can be found out that is safer and easier to handle and load.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby arun » 20 Jun 2010 08:13

David Siegel wrote:We have come across news that Indian home grown BMD (PAD/AAD) will be tested in this month. {Snipped}


Sandeep Unnithan in India Today suggests that the BMD missile that is to be tested by the end of this month / July is neither the PAD nor the AAD but rather an all new missile, the PDV. See here back on page 70 of this thread.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Singha » 20 Jun 2010 09:19

why cant a shorter 200-300km type Shourya be quickly developed to replace prithvi? its cansister launched, solid fuel and hence doesnt need any handling / prep time before firing.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby prashanth » 20 Jun 2010 10:18

Singha wrote:why cant a shorter 200-300km type Shourya be quickly developed to replace prithvi? its cansister launched, solid fuel and hence doesnt need any handling / prep time before firing.


While this is possible, it may not leave any room for Brahmos.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 20 Jun 2010 10:40

Singha wrote:why cant a shorter 200-300km type Shourya be quickly developed to replace prithvi? its cansister launched, solid fuel and hence doesnt need any handling / prep time before firing.


This should be done with priority. When Shourya was tested, I had asked the same question. DRDO has demonstrated the capability, its up to user to come forward with requirements.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby arun » 20 Jun 2010 10:58

^^^ From the admittedly flimsy base of “two stage solid fuelled” perhaps that has happened and the PDV is just such an evolution of Shourya.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby saumitra_j » 20 Jun 2010 11:56

why cant a shorter 200-300km type Shourya be quickly developed to replace prithvi? its cansister launched, solid fuel and hence doesnt need any handling / prep time before firing.

I think that has got to do with the fact that we already have significant numbers in the inventory already built up - not easy to just replace them. Besides, the forces would have already trained for the constraints; I think we will have to wait till end of life for the inventory before we start seeing some sort of replacements IMHO

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Singha » 20 Jun 2010 12:21

it cannot be a overnight replacement process, but since only a couple of missile regiments run with prithvi, one by one they can shift to Shourya-Lite
as the test program concludes and remaining shelf life of prithvi rounds can be expended using as targets for PAD/AAD et al. ofcourse there will be some waste but such is progress - it will improve the resiliency and effectiveness of our missile regiments manifold, cut down on vehicles and people needed - which can formate into more shourya regiments.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby naird » 20 Jun 2010 12:35

Singha wrote:why cant a shorter 200-300km type Shourya be quickly developed to replace prithvi? its cansister launched, solid fuel and hence doesnt need any handling / prep time before firing.


I apologize for i dont have sufficient knowledge in missile systems but,

why cant the shourya itself be used in a 200-300 km range ? I mean if we adjust the trajectory of the missile then we can hit in the 200-300 range from the missile's 700KM range ?

Am i wrong or are we talking about something else ?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Postby Singha » 20 Jun 2010 13:12

^^ yes it can be used, but cost will be an issue. shorter the range, more numbers we need.

also a TEL might be able to carry two shourya-Lite while one Shourya.


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